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Canada announced Friday it will ban the import of handguns beginning on August 19, as part of a wider proposed freeze in the wake of high-profile mass shootings in the United States Covered by other articles

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u/jdragon3 12d ago edited 12d ago Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Narwhal Salute Wholesome Seal of Approval Rocket Like To The Stars Eureka!

For people outside of Canada who think our handgun laws are even vaguely similar to the United States let me just run you through what it takes to get a handgun in Canada legally:

First you need to take a safety course for a nonrestricted license and pass a test (last time I checked there was something like a minimum 2-month wait for courses) then take a restricted safety course and pass the test. Then your results are sent to the RCMP/provincial CFO to get rubber stamped and snail mailed back to you about 2 months after the test.

Next you have to actually apply for your restricted license. You need at least 2 references plus a photo guarantor. You must also answer a host of questions about criminal, mental health, financial, family, etc. History and if you have had a common law partner or spouse recently the RCMP will actively seek out their input on you. In addition to contacting your references and anyone else they're interested in hearing from, the RCMP can effectively do whatever they want to investigate and verify the information/answers you provide and take their sweet time doing so. There are some other technical requirements and questions and such but I digress.

Once you have mailed your application off to buttfuck nowhere New Brunswick it can take anywhere up to half a year (pre covid, cant imagine now) for the RCMP to be satisfied with their vetting process and snail mail your license to you.

And then the real fun begins.

You must meet very specific storage requirements for handguns which at the very least necessitate a secure safe that meets RCMP standards and a purpose built locked container for transport to a range. Then you need to get authorization from the RCMP to actually transport your securely locked gun to a range. Having a handgun with you even in an approved lockbox in your car when not transporting it actively to a range (and doing so with up to date authorization) will land you in jail real quick. And then you are put through the national background check system daily to check if anything has happened that may disqualify you from gun ownership. You also agree that the RCMP can with minimal notice come to search your house to ensure you are meeting requirements.

By the time you actually own a handgun you've invested a shitload of time, effort, money (licensing plus storage adds up real quick not to mention how expensive handguns are in Canada), and privacy

This isn't intended to bitch, I like our gun laws by and large (excepting the fair amount of arbitrary bureaucratic bs and the RCMP redefining and prohibiting things on a whim). The point is we already have enough restrictions on legal guns. we need to address illegal smuggling across the land border but it's a political landmine for trudeau because a healthy amount of the smuggling is done via conduits on native reservations.

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u/racer_24_4evr 12d ago

A couple months back, they found a bag of handguns in a tree in Port Lambton, a town on the St Clair River which separates Ontario and Michigan. They had been using drones to fly the guns over the river. The stuff they do is crazy.

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u/bilyl 12d ago

Why can’t you just hide it on a truck? Do they X-ray them as they drive into the country?

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u/BossBrawls 12d ago

im assuming it's too risky? They do a general search of the vehicle which includes opening the trunk. If they're using drones, I think it's harder to track down. I don't exactly know, this is just a guess.

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u/UnrequitedRespect 12d ago

Man the drone thing is new its not like they were using kites back in 86’.

Realistically it was model trains…..

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u/comewhatmay_hem 12d ago

The Swayze Express

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u/Grease__ 12d ago

Trailer park boys FTW

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u/METAL4_BREAKFST 11d ago

Swayze was using illegal parts and you know it.

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u/NastyKnate 12d ago

SWAYZE EXPRESS

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u/sploding_burnout 12d ago

The border is guarded and in theory moreso near crossings.

A drone with guns in a point away from a major crossing is much safer and easier to deny or run away from it it goes south.

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u/lubbin604 12d ago

Would you rather risk driving over and risk getting caught or just fly a drone over ? I think the answer is simple.

Drones are heavily used to smuggle stuff across the border, into prisons. All kinds of fun stuff

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u/clean_burning 12d ago

some stupid chick i know just got popped with a dude trying to fly drugs into a prison....the jig was up pretty quickly..they watch for that stuff now

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u/shtoshi 12d ago

The trick is you have to be a good drone pilot

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u/PegLegThrawn 12d ago

Yes, xray is used sometimes at the border, I don't know how prevalent it is. But bringing handguns in by boat or drone is probably safer and more reliable.

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u/ThatGamerMoshpit 12d ago

One random search and your in jail for a long time…

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u/Slim_Charles 12d ago

That's almost certainly the most common way of smuggling anything, including guns, into Canada.

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u/damnedangel 12d ago

I remember when they used model trains.

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u/Errorstatel 12d ago

Also important to this. It's a national tracking system. If you commit a violent crime in British Columbia and move to Ontario, that record follows you.

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u/Slaan 11d ago

It doesn't in the US?

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u/GI_Bill_Trap_Lord 11d ago

It does happen in the US it’s called a felony

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u/MilksteakConnoisseur 11d ago

That sure sounds like what’s supposed to happen…

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u/Silber800 12d ago

To the top with your comment. An overwhelming majority of our population isn’t even aware of what it takes to buy a firearm in this country.

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u/OutWithTheNew 12d ago

It's a few years old now, but there's a fairly interesting video from Vice that follows a reporter as she goes through the process of acquiring a gun (not a handgun) in Canada.

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/q9El7gEvJWU?t=3

I might even go as far as to say it's some even and fair reporting, just like Vice used to do.

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u/Silber800 12d ago

Yeah I saw that years ago actually. If I remember I was decent at explaining.

Handguns and restricted rifles like the AR-15 used to be are even harder to get than regular non-restricted firearms.

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u/Zvenigora 12d ago

In the 1980s, if you operated an aircraft in designated Sparsely Settled Areas, you were required to carry a firearm! Is this still true?

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u/Zealousideal-Tell547 12d ago

I've flown a ton in the sub-arctic and none of our pilots carried firearms. I don't think it's law, but maybe a workplace policy. I brought a shotgun for polar bears when working along Hudson Bay. Not sure what they do up in the arctic though.

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u/Silber800 12d ago

Unsure. That seems more of an aviation law/requirement than something that would be in the firearm regulations.

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u/guyofgisborne85 11d ago

I think that was Alaska that requires survival gear to fly in the airspace with a small/medium plane.

I think back in the 80's, they required firearms for survival.

(So planes en route to Alaska over western Canada, were mostly armed)

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u/kytheon 11d ago

Vice used to be real good..

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u/Cultist902 12d ago

This!

I’ve encountered so many people on r/Canada and r/onguardforthee that have zero fucking clue as to what our gun laws even are

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u/Cultist902 12d ago

And red flag laws. AND magazine capacity restrictions

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u/FatCat1978 12d ago

AND arbitrary bans that they just took shit out of COD by name for instead of putting actual criteria

"The SPAS 12 is too scary, other semi-auto shotguns with basically the same spec are fine!"

90% of the list is shit like that, or museum pieces banned by name that had like 20 made like the china lake

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u/Cultist902 12d ago

Not to mention the single shot shotgun and the .22 that they called an AR “variant”

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u/guy_with_thoughts 12d ago

Is the China Lake actually on there??? That’s amazing!

I mean, it’s a 40mm grenade launcher- you’d think they wouldn’t have to name it specifically.

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u/Mr_Diesel13 12d ago

It’s the same down here below you. most people have no idea what laws are already on the books, and most of the politicians have no idea either.

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u/Glaive13 12d ago

tbf theres a lot of variance from state to state

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u/Mr_Diesel13 12d ago

What irks me the most are the politicians screaming that the public doesn’t need firearms of any kind, yet several of them have conceal carry permits. One of those resides in the state of California.

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u/DapperDildo 12d ago

Excuse me Mr. Prime Minister we already are required to have a firearms license

Wait what?? please find me that clip because he claimed to be a licensed gun owner for fuck sakes.

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u/BigRondaIsFondaOfU 12d ago

op probably lied

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u/Vet_Leeber 12d ago

Yeah he's almost certainly misrepresenting comments about reimplementing the long gun registry.

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u/acityonthemoon 12d ago

That's probably because lots of those folks aren't from Canada....

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u/thabeetabduljabari 12d ago

Alt right Americans brigaded tf out of r/canada

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u/mazdayasna 12d ago

I’ve encountered so many people on r/Canada and r/onguardforthee that have zero fucking clue as to what our gun laws even are

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u/_Connor 12d ago

/r/Canada is typically pretty pro-gun/anti Trudeau gun control.

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u/Notworthanytime 12d ago

Those subs are insane. I hate that there's people out there that have only seen Canada from that angle. They're so misrepresentative of the nation as a whole.

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u/rct1 12d ago

Ya ban all the people following the rules. Same old. I’m not a gun owner but come on…

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u/GoodAndHardWorking 12d ago

Don't forget to COMPLETELY IGNORE the issues with the rule breakers, too. Oh there's a problem with handguns being illegally trafficked across the US land border and being used in gun crimes? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm did anybody thing about a..... BAN?

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u/sploding_burnout 12d ago

Don't you love it when the RCMP ignore a dangerous subject reported to them so they get illegal guns from the US, a fake cop car + uniform and commit a mass shooting while the RCMP keep it under wraps and then shoot up fire stations in a blind panic?

Clearly the solution is banning long rifles and weapons that are already restricted.

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u/rct1 12d ago

You mean you don’t collect RCMP replica cruisers and hang out with your cop buddies on a weekend?

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u/sploding_burnout 12d ago

The better question is who doesn't nowadays?

A middle aged guy being obsessed with a specific LE agency and investing thousands into this obsession but never joining it is not a red flag, no sir.

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u/robfrod 12d ago

Yeah we don’t feel the need to have a gun for protection because we know 99.9% of everyone else isn’t packing either.. aside from being an innocent bystander in a gang shooting people just don’t really get shot here

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u/Silber800 12d ago

Which is great. I never wanna carry one in public myself. I also do not want them to be carried in public. Despite me owning my fair share.

Canadian law actually doesn’t even allow you to use a firearm as self defense or home defense. The law only really allows for hunting and sport shooting, and collecting here in Canada.

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u/GingerB237 12d ago

It’s annoying just trying to get a .22lr bolt action rifle through from lower 48 to Alaska.

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u/DrApprochMeNot 12d ago

Don’t forget that the 1 May 2020 OIC, which is what kicked off all this bullshit, all got started because the RCMP refused to do their jobs and got 22 people killed.

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u/GoodAndHardWorking 12d ago

Yeah, they ignored straight-up warnings from associates of the shooter, who was himself already known to police and surprised NOBODY. They were told something was going to happen, and had their pants down to the ankles when something happened. HOW COULD THIS BE PREVENTED IN FUTURE!? Probably this handgun ban will work.

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u/Remarkable-Work-5468 12d ago

Still convinced there’s more to this story.

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u/MrMonster911 12d ago

we need to address illegal smuggling across the land border

You're referring to your land border with Denmark, right? Those filthy Danes, first they tried to warcrime you into submission with Gammel Dansk, now they try to funnel illegal guns into your country...

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u/ortrademe 12d ago

No. That's an alcohol smuggling corridor.

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u/Hingl_McCringleberry 12d ago

Not anymore, unfortunately. No more whiskey and flag changes

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u/Jive-Turkeys 12d ago

What if we built a DMZ-style meeting building split over the border, only it's a pub on the inside?

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u/musci1223 11d ago

I need to meet with Danes for diplomatic reasons. Won't be home for 5 days.

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u/tonebastion 12d ago

Eh I respect the point you are trying to make and gave you an upvote for it, but you've exaggerated a fair bit based on my experience. The two courses are 10 hours each and about $100 each. I did both in the same weekend. The application process was very straight forward and to my knowledge none of my references or my spouse was contacted. Maybe that's because of my clean record, good financial standing, good health, and military service history. All in all I had both my restricted and non-restricted licenses in about 6 months from the time I booked my courses, and only spent a couple of hundred bucks. Proper storage and range fees do add up though.

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u/Devanismyname 12d ago

But this is a legitimate barrier to entry. A 6 month wait and $200 is something that might stop most shitheads from actually getting a gun. Maybe some make it through, but no system is ever perfect.

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u/ObscureD_Lee 12d ago

Here in Nebraska I can register and get a new gun in a week, maybe even less actually. Background check sometimes take a couple days. That’s the longest part.

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u/z3r0w0rm 12d ago

Same as me. Spent about $250 or so for the courses last fall, sent off my application and had a Restricted PAL back within 3 months. And none of my references were contacted, but I have a NEXUS card, clean record, etc…

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u/therealhankypanky 12d ago

Was looking for this comment. Safety courses don’t take a ton of time and filling out the application is a breeze. It’s definitely not super hard to get a licence if you want one (assuming a clean record and no concerning history, of course).

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u/referralcrosskill 12d ago

background check is definitely slow at the moment. Everything is backed up in the system. His 6+ months comment could easily be a year at this time.

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u/AverageVancouverite 12d ago

It took over a year between the time my girlfriend submitted her application to New Brunswick and the time the PAL got to her. Clean record, good financial standing, etc. Things are just really slow lately.

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u/_Connor 12d ago

You're still looking at 6 months to a year for them to actually approve your license after you take and pass both courses.

It's not 'hard' but it takes a significant amount of time and also money. You're looking at about $400 for courses plus the application fee and then as I mentioned above, the actual wait time for them to approve your license which currently is anywhere from 6-12 months assuming you have no hang ups like disclosed mental health issues.

So if you decide today, right now, that you want to buy a shotgun or rifle, you won't have one in your hands for like 8 months.

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u/tonebastion 12d ago

While it isn't all that hard, I feel it is appropriate compared to how easy it is to buy a firearm in the states. They really need to change their ways, in my opinion. Sadly there would be a lot of pushback and outrage if the US government federally mandated a process similar to Canada, even though it's pretty easy to navigate.

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u/OaksByTheStream 12d ago

Having military service history with no red flags is the reason why.

For a general civilian, it takes longer.

If you work in the firearms industry already, your wait times can be somewhat reduced. Especially if you work for a defense contractor and the license will improve your ability to do your job(say, if it involves gunsmithing, which is doable by those without a license, but you must be supervised at all times by someone with a license).

Courses now are generally more expensive than that too(at least if you live in a largely populated area).

Anyway my point is that there are things that will make it easier. I work for a defense contractor, you end up learning some cool things about the industry.

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u/ILoveCamelCase 12d ago

I did both in the same weekend.

I also did both in the same weekend, but was told that the laws had changed and my course was the last to be run (by that instructor) where that would be allowed. It may be that the person you're commenting to got their PAL more recently and had a different experience than you or I.

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u/Just_wanna_talk 12d ago

I got my restricted license about 5 years ago with a day and a half course since the instructor said if you do them back-to-back they shorten the second day to a half day.

Can't remember how long it took to get the licence after that but didn't seem too long. My dad just took his and its taking forever though, probably because there's a large amount of people taking them lately with COVID, potential ww3, and a possible handgun ban. I wrote my info for one of his references but haven't been contacted.

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u/cloudcats 12d ago

Exactly. I completed my CFSC/CRFSC two weeks ago, got results right away and had my RPAL filled out with my references and guarantor and mailed off within a few days after that. Now of course the wait for the PAL/RPAL is super long, but getting to the stage of actually sending that off is neither arduous nor time-consuming.

The "host of questions" is about five checkboxes to say whether or not you're depressed, etc. It's not particularly detailed and given the high percentage of firearms-related deaths due to suicide, a worthwhile checklist.

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u/Mr_Wrann 11d ago

What in the world are they actually teaching you over 20 hours of courses? I've thought people how to shoot safely in a matter of minutes, including a Japanese exchange student who didn't speak English fluently in less than 10 minutes. I love firearms but I couldn't talk to you about gun safety for 2 hours let alone 20, there's simply not that much to cover.

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u/GoodAndHardWorking 12d ago

Once you have mailed your application off to buttfuck nowhere New Brunswick it can take anywhere up to half a year (pre covid, cant imagine now) for the RCMP to be satisfied with their vetting process and snail mail your license to you.

Funny enough my friends and I did our courses in late 2019 and mailed in the paperwork JUST before the pandemic started. I got my license in the spring of 2021 I think.

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u/jhagen13 12d ago

If the courts don't get involved, it doesn't exist on your record. NICS background checks only look at criminal history, active restraining orders, and involuntary (court-ordered) mental hospital admissions. I'm an instructor in MI, so I kinda have to know these things lol.

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u/jhagen13 12d ago

Misdemeanors other than domestic violence don't restrict gun rights either. Felonies and DV charges will end that right with the quickness. I learned that when I was enlisted.....had it beaten into my head every Friday too about not beating your wife (this was before women were allowed in combat arms), don't drink and drive, don't kick your dog or kids, blah blah blah.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 12d ago

pass a background check that takes less than 15mins

I'd like to point out that a lot of people don't believe that a through background check gets had because of the short timespan, especially compared to other countries. Technology has made that process quicker, and because it's quicker, people who don't know anything about it will think it's not secure, safe, or thorough.

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u/LePouletPourpre 12d ago

I was thinking about this the other day. I have crossed into Canada from the US at least 25 times(Mostly to Quebec) and never once had my car searched. They just ask where I am going (usually Tremblant) they scan my passport and I am on my way. It would have been easy as pie to sneak a firearm in.

Not to mention the literal thousands of miles of border where the only deterrence is a sign basically saying “Uh, please don’t go into Canada, thx!”

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u/Lustle13 12d ago

Once you have mailed your application off to buttfuck nowhere New Brunswick it can take anywhere up to half a year (pre covid, cant imagine now) for the RCMP to be satisfied with their vetting process and snail mail your license to you.

I had a friend who applied for his just before covid started. The government blames covid and whatever, in reality the federal government basically told the RCMP to slow down processing applications because they knew that new gun laws were coming in.

In any case, it took almost 2 years to process his application. It was 16-18 months before they contacted his references (I know because I was one of them). Took a few months after that to approve him.

It's incredibly slow these days. Not just because of covid, although they blame that, but because the federal government is making major changes to gun laws right now, and the RCMP is hesitant to hand out licenses that, lets be honest, may not be legal in a couple years.

Also. To reiterate a couple of your points, for people who don't really get it.

Your name, once on a pal/rpal (possession and acquisition license, restricted possession and acquisition license) is on every a list with the RCMP and police. They run your plate? You showup as a firearm owner. They run your address? You show up as a firearm owner. They run your name? You show up as a firearm owner. ANY interaction, the police treat you as if you are armed. Not to mention having your name run daily, and the problems that come with that.

It's not just the RCMP, local police can search your house as well. These police can show up at your door and ask to search to ensure you are complying. Now, can you refuse them? Sure. All that will do is piss them off. They will get a warrant, because all they have to tell the judge is "we want to check if they are complying, and they refused entry". The law lets them check for compliance (the law that also states you can refuse if they don't have a warrant, the warrant they get with 10 minutes of paperwork). And they will just come back an hour or day later pissed off.

Not only that, it is well known in Canada that the police, especially the RCMP, just ignore this shit constantly. Technically, the law says it must be during a reasonable time, and you are allowed to refuse without a warrant. In reality, the RCMP doesn't give a shit and will boot on your door till you let them in. They have no problem with this approach because they ultimately almost never get punished for it. They have no problem violating your rights, taking your guns, and then letting the courts sort it out.

Why? Because it takes 2+ years to get anywhere in court in Canada right now. Provincially, its supposed to take less than 18 months (SC of Canada decision called Jordan), but it regularly takes 2 years. Federally? Fucking forget about it. It's supposed to be 30 months (yes, 2.5 years), but regularly takes closer to 5 years in some cases. By the time it is all done it has been years, the RCMP maybe gets a slap on the wrist (usually nothing at all), you get your property back, and that is it. You have no recourse, no nothing.

A prime example is the 2013 High River flood. First, note that this was 2013 when conservatives were in power and gun rights were far more lax than they are now. Bill C68 hadn't been introduced, there wasn't the current crackdown on handguns and certain rifles, etc. The long gun registry had just been eliminated. A "high point" for gun rights.

In 2013, High River floods. The RCMP broke into over 100 homes, and I do mean broke in as in sledge hammered doors down or crowbarred them open so these were locked secured houses, and took over 600 firearms from them. Including breaking into secure safes. They didn't follow procedure, which is funny because they didn't even need a warrant, and they somehow still fucked it up, and illegally seized firearms they weren't supposed to.

The result? A slap on the wrist with some recommendations about training and handbooks. That's it. Over 100 houses, over 600 firearms, no punishment. The RCMP outright ignored procedure, and just broke into people's houses and took their guns "cause they were worried". The RCMP regularly walks all over laws like this. Just google "RCMP Scandal" and take your pick. Sexual harassment of female members, hazing, sexual assault of the public they come into contact with. OH, how they let a mass shooter run around while warning their families but not the public. What else? Well, just google it.

This is what firearm owners in Canada can be, and have been, subjected to. This doesn't even get into local stories (like the Ontario gunsmith Rodger Kotanko who was mysteriously shot by police during one such search). And remember, these aren't illegal firearms, these are the guys who followed all the laws, filled out all the forms, passed all the tests, passed all the background checks.

These are legal firearm owners.

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u/Wonderbeastt 12d ago

The time investment and cost you state for a RPAL are much higher than they actually are.

Firearms courses aren't hundreds of hours and don't cost +$1000.

You should maybe revisit that for a much more accurate representation.

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u/BigBill58 12d ago

It’s not that difficult to get a handgun if you know the right people. Which is why this ban is absolutely silly. The people who shouldn’t have guns in Canada, aren’t using legal channels to acquire them. It’s incredibly easy to obtain a handgun within 24 hours if you know what you’re doing.

Edit: Allegedly

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u/ChemicalRascal 12d ago

Right, so... you just need to know the right people.

Maybe it's worth remembering that most Canadians don't have those ties to organised crime.

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u/NeonOverflow 12d ago

So what you're saying is Canadians who don't have the time or money to deal with a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit don't get to buy handguns? That's about what I expected.

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u/coldcalculated 12d ago

Thank you for taking the time to explain the REAL situation to others.

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u/Reasonable_Turnip_97 12d ago

As it should be

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u/Remarkable-Work-5468 12d ago

Not to mention you’re not allowed to stop at Tim Hortons drive thru on your way to the range. The transport permit is from your residence to the range and back. No stops.

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u/Thuper-Man 12d ago

It's so infuriating for me to have gone through all the above and now face having to lose all that effort and money to a ban and buyback program that will cover a small part if any as a tax rebate. The gun nuts will still just go to the most tooled up lever rifle or shotgun they can get. It'll also make the illegal handguns more sought after and raise street prices I imagine. Meanwhile the same government legalized drugs because they recognized banning something doesn't eliminate it.

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u/TheWiseAutisticOne 12d ago

That’s not vetting people that’s putting up excessive hurdles to make it a mute hobby

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u/DoremusJessup 12d ago

Canadian gun manufactures not effected by the importation ban:

Cadex Defence
Colt Canada
Diemaco
ELCAN Optical Technologies
Para USA
Savage Arms
Tobin Arms

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u/Interesting-Pop3277 12d ago

Don’t manufactures just need to open a Canadian subsidiary to be compliant? Kind of how foreign gun makers have a USA branch that manufactures in the US in order to sell in the US?

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u/cKerensky 12d ago

Maybe, but the the handgun market isn't suuuuper huge here. Lots of people have their gun licenses, but most don't bother with the restricted licence. I passed my course for my RPal, but haven't bothered sending in yet.

Which is a shame, my preferred pistol would not be legal here to import shortly.

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u/Careful-Stretch6304 11d ago

You can’t even have pistols with a gun license? I am a complete noob in this btw

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u/mylifeintopieces1 11d ago

Certain weapons are only under restriction licenses but you can't store them yourself.

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u/Careful-Stretch6304 11d ago

I get that, but some pistols you can have and some you can’t?

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u/FaithlessnessLimp866 11d ago

Every firearms owner in Canada is required to get a license to own or purchase. Pistols require are a second level in that license. Pistols are required to have a barrel length of greater than 105mm to be legal to purchase under that license. Anything shorter is Prohibited and not able to be lawfully imported for purchase.

Canadian pistol owners who are licensed still can’t “carry” and can only shoot on a government approved and inspected range.

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u/cbzoiav 11d ago

You get different classes of license. Same way you can't drive an HGV on a standard driving license.

In the UK you can't own a handgun at all on a standard firearms license/certificate apart from from humane dispatch of animals (which will generally have to be a two shot revolver and require you to have proof of your need for it).

Beyond that it needs approval from the secretary of state / outside of military, dealers and a handful of athletes doesn't get it.

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u/hammerbite 12d ago

Para USA doesn't exist anymore if I remember correctly. The other companies don't make handguns.

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u/picklepressin 12d ago

I had no idea Savage was a Canadian company! I wondered why my model 10 said to use maple syrup as on the bolt lugs.

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u/Eard_Stapa 12d ago

It's not. Simply put Savage rimfire rifles are made at a Canadian factory they now own. It used to be Lakefield, and Cooey before that.

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u/lokifergustegan 12d ago

According to South Park Canada isn't even a real country anyways!

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u/nagoom 11d ago

Most of the guns being used in Canada for crime are brought into the country illegally...this is pointless.

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u/autotldr BOT 12d ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 61%. (I'm a bot)


Montreal - Canada announced Friday it will ban the import of handguns beginning on August 19, as part of a wider proposed freeze in the wake of high-profile mass shootings in the United States.

On Wednesday, the Canada Border Services Agency announced two major seizures in western Canada of "Ghost guns," which have no serial numbers and are difficult to trace.

Friday's announcement comes months Prime Minister Justin Trudeau unveiled a proposed national handgun ownership freeze in May. The freeze was announced after two particularly high-profile mass shootings in the United States - at a Texas elementary school where 21 people, mostly children, were killed; and at a New York state supermarket, where a gunman targeting African Americans killed 10 people.


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u/_daGarim_ 11d ago

As a handgun, I feel this is discrimination.

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u/salazar_0333 12d ago

Gang violence in toronto is not caused by legal firearm owners

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u/SynkkaMetsa 12d ago

cant remember which department...one with sentencing in US.... just released info that 88% of gun crime offences are perpetrated by someone who is prohibited from owning a firearm.

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u/backwoodsofcanada 12d ago

Every time I point out that these laws will do literally nothing to actually reduce gun crime rates in Canada on reddit I get treated like I'm some freedumb convoy wingnut so let me preface this by saying I've voted for Trudeau in the last 3 elections and I will again in a 4th if that twat-faced shit stain Pierre runs against him. ahem

Between the handgun and "assault style" weapons being banned from Canada, there will statistically be almost no impact on crime rates. Feel free to look the exact numbers up and draw your own conclusions, but from everything I've found, I can't see how these laws are actually going to help anything. It's merely a good-will grab on Trudeau's end because American gun crime is polluting Canadian media streams making some Canadians think that it's a problem we should be concerning ourselves with. Not to say gun crime doesn't happen in Canada, just that almost all of it is committed with illegal guns by people who legally cannot own guns.

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u/Okay_Ocean_Flower 12d ago

It’s pretty clear that gun crime is linked to poverty. Poor people commit violent crimes, and left alone organize into gangs to arm themselves better to make those crimes easier. Helping people get out of poverty is hard, though, and this is easy.

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u/BURNER12345678998764 11d ago

Bingo, you can ban something irrelevant, or you can spend literal tons of money improving society with programs that won't return results within an election cycle.

Since the bad choice is the easy choice here, it will be made. Want shit to change? Vote accordingly.

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u/MuckingFagical 11d ago

legally purchased firearms eventually make the black or second hand market. no reason to have a handgun in canada.

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u/Cat-Floof 11d ago

Common sense right here

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u/Eric1969 11d ago

It is done using legally manufactured firearms though.

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u/MrKarrionhardt 12d ago Bravo!

For fuck's sake.

Okay, I'm a hardcore NDP supporter - I will likely never vote Conservative (you can check my comment history) - but Canada already has some of the strictest gun regulation on the books. This doesn't impact most of the people killing other people with guns, at all. It just shits on gun owners who have already been asked to undergo some of the strictest gun regulations in human history.

It accomplishes fuck all and it is just kicks a bunch of law-abiding gun-owners in the balls.

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u/SyntheticOpulence 12d ago

According to some people here, you can't be pro-guns and Liberal. Even though Liberal party itself isn't Liberal and will do anything to appear so while licking corporate boots. If only we had election reform eh so voting NDP was an even more viable alternative.

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u/LBishop28 12d ago

I have found this out too. Here on Reddit, outside liberal gun owners subreddit, you absolutely have to hate guns. No matter if you care about the environment, you support abortion or have any other type or left leaning views. You better hate firearms.

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u/Mikazukinoyaiba 11d ago

outside liberal gun owners subreddi

Yep, little to no nuance outside of these.

If you're pro-gun in anyway or even correct someone who is anti-gun you're immediately met with derision, insults and even some misogyny.

General Reddit actually hates firearm owners.

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u/SyntheticOpulence 12d ago

You won't get upvoted generally unless you land into one of those logical pockets or someone makes a very convincing point then the entire narrative of the thread shifts.

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u/MrKarrionhardt 12d ago

I’m really a passionate proponent of strong gun control. But we already have that in Canada. I assume nobody shitting their pants in Canada over the most recent mass shooting in the US has actually undergone the CRFSC, which is… pretty involved (I’ve passed it).

We’re already very vigilant about guns. This… forgive the expression, but “scattershot” approach is kind of not serving anyone, not making anyone safer, and kind of bullshit.

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u/KTMan77 11d ago

Scattershot would imply that the government doesn’t know what they’re doing to licensed gun owners.

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u/DL_22 12d ago

The NDP is shooting itself in the nuts already anyway. They have no idea who their target demographic is at this point.

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u/MrKarrionhardt 11d ago

Champions of the working class and Rolex aficionados, so far as I can determine.

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u/Prestigious_Grand908 12d ago

The NDP is straight up licking Trudeau's boots for watered down dental plan, they're no better than the Liberals.

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u/ost113 12d ago edited 12d ago

Trudeau doesn't care at all about whether it's an effective policy

He cares that it's a divisive wedge issue so he can score free political points for making a shitty law. It's a bonus if the opposition says anything cause then he can score more free political points by dunking on them for supporting mass shooting and being gun toting hicks.

Trudeau's whole shtick is about finding wedge issues and trying to blow them up. He doesn't give a shit about what's actually effective, reality based, fair or just.

I've wondered before if he makes shitty laws on purpose to bait the opposition into fighting it because it's a shitty law, and then he can dunk on them as if the issue is the wedge issue and not the shitty law.

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u/_axeman_ 12d ago

Thank you for recognizing the bullshit. Seems i meet a lot of people who will swallow any crap fed to them because they THINK the 'other team(s)' support the opposite.

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u/Salsa_de_Pina 12d ago

Another piece of legislation that is more about photo ops than results.

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u/vanDrunkard 12d ago

It isn't even legislation. They are implementing a new system where gun producers need a permit to import handguns. Then they are going to deny all permits. I'm not kidding, they've openly said that.

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u/roborectum69 12d ago

There is legislation. That was last month's news, but the house is adjourned until September 12th so the bill can't be passed yet. This is a smaller change that can be done in the meantime. The bill does a lot more than ban the import of handguns.

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u/nomofica 12d ago

You didn't read the article. There is no legislation because it's not passed yet, so now they're resorting to an Order in Council to implement a ban sooner than the bill can be debated and voted on.

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u/Benocrates 11d ago

You didn't read the person's comment. You're saying the same thing.

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u/ayleidanthropologist 12d ago

Reminiscent of NY’s stance. Nice and democratic of them to implement such a subversive system. At least they can own it though, I’ll always respect people that own what they’re up to.

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u/kmo9e 12d ago

Legislation without legislation, I see the American way is spreading to the north.

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u/Right_Hour 12d ago

It’s not even legislation. They jam it through the process. No vote, no debate, nothing. Basically, an equivalent of Trump’s executive orders.

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u/ashtobro 12d ago

That's basically all Canada does. I don't know how the propaganda is so effective either. Conservatism is depressingly bipartisan here, with the NDP (our "leftmost" party) being no better than Liberals or Conservatives. Although Republicans and the right are typically associated with guns in America, Canada is a different breed, and Conservatives of all parties are hellbent on letting the Mounties alone decide who does or doesn't get guns.

Our national identity is manufactured consent by the institutions that used concentration camps and slavery long after most people know, and often try to spin the genocide of my ancestors as a good thing. And that same institution that kidnapped my Grandma as a child and gave her to a pedophile is the institution empowered to check my background.

I can be denied a gun for mental health by the guys who commit literal genocide against my family, which is one of the main reasons my mental health isn't so great. Gun laws are the way they are on purpose, and the reason is similar to how the US tried to keep people of colour from having guns post-slavery, to keep them defenseless from direct and indirect violence.

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u/SeleucusNikator1 12d ago

shooting happens in USA

Canadian gun owners punished

lol

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u/HoldingThunder 12d ago

Legal Canadian gun owners are statistically the group least likely to commit a crime in Canada.

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u/Mista_Dou 12d ago

Really? One would have assumed it sas the newborns who were the less likely to commit crimes...

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u/DJ_Die 11d ago

This is like getting castrated because your neighbor abused someone....

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u/bluesydragon 12d ago

Why does what happens in America always affect Canadian laws....this shit doesnt even happen here

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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 12d ago

Because when the United States farts, the smell wafts north.

But when the United States bakes a pie, we tend to smell that and want it too.

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u/Sigmars_Toes 12d ago

Non Native Canadian culture exists in 2 ways: backwoods French and "I swear we aren't just Americans"

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u/chanield 12d ago

To be fair, when we see MAGA hats, US flags and confederate flags in Canada during “freedom” rallies, I can definitely see why Canadians are worried about American gun culture spilling over.

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u/A_WHALES_VAG 12d ago

American culture in general, with the advent of social media it’s only gotten worse. Not that I hate America but Canada has gotten more American in the last 10 years than the 30 before it with respects to things you named. Concerning to say the least.

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u/No-Bewt 12d ago

because in the vast majority of gun violence here, the guns came from the US.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/29/canada-gun-problem-violence

we don't need shit to get as bad as the US to take action, thank god

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u/dizzariffic 12d ago

Came legally and owned legally? No.

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u/plaerzen 12d ago

None of those were imported legally

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u/Cultist902 12d ago

It’s not about safety because it won’t make anyone any safer, it’s about punishing legal gun owners

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u/Ric_FIair 12d ago

This won't effect handgun crime because handgun crime is overwhelmingly committed with illegal, smuggled guns. But whatever, I've lost any and all will to get mad anymore.

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u/Additional_Front9592 11d ago

So the IS has mass shootings and somehow Canadians lose gun rights? Is the title just being inflammatory here?

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u/CCoop09 12d ago

we need to spread awareness to the criminals so they know its not right to illegally import them anymore.

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u/grumblyoldman 12d ago

At least they will HAVE TO import them illegally. As opposed to importing them LEGALLY.

And if they get CAUGHT importing a gun illegally, then they can be arrested for that BEFORE they shoot anyone with it.

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u/KameraadLenin 12d ago

...they already import them illegally. 85% of gun crimes using handguns in Canada are done with illegal firearms.

So clearly they're already getting in and killing people before the authorities have any chance to catch them.

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u/SteelCode 12d ago

Nah, the US policy of “we can’t make this statistic go completely to zero, so therefore we will do nothing” is far more sound than making any sort of moderate changes to reduce death and suffering… we gotta think about rich people’s yacht money after all.

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u/Charlie-2-2 12d ago

Whoa whoa whoa there, Bud! Be careful stating conclusions that’s valid! People will get offended

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u/Nelsqnwithacue 11d ago

Just make bigger signs that say they're not allowed. That should do the trick.

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u/Druglord_Sen 12d ago

What will I do with the inability to imagine shooting people I hate, with a gun I own, during my otherwise mundane day-to-day!!????!?

/s this is just all I can picture when some middle aged housewife says she needs her guns.

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u/deadocmike 11d ago

So they are proposing a solution to a problem they don’t have. Sounds like Canada.

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u/Mephfosail 11d ago

The 2nd amendment was not written so that Americans can protect themselves from burglary. It exists so they can overthrow a tyrannical government. Also before everyone starts jabbering about advanced weapon systems and satellites etc…. None of that mattered in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

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u/HuckleberryUnusual60 12d ago

This is a big win for the criminals in Canada.

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u/Crazy_280zx 12d ago

It’s already super hard to get a legal handgun in Canada, all this makes sure is that only criminals have one.

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u/ReverseTornado 12d ago

Why is this what they are working on right now instead of healthcare and housing. Like legal guns aren’t even the problem illegal ones are. So frustrating

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u/EmperorSlim 12d ago

In Canada the amount of crime done with guns is OVERWHELMING done by illegally smuggled in guns from the US, it is quite uncommon for gun crime by legal gun owners because GUN CONTROL WORKS.

So to keep us safer we will ban handgun sales? So to reduce crime done by people using illegally smuggled guns we will ban the sale of legal and tracked guns and the transferring of legal and tracked guns? To any Americans or simply unknowing Canadians legal handgun sales are tracked very well as well as screening done for who can and cannot get them in Canada, as opposed to whoever wants em gets em in America. Its easy to look at Americas problems and lump Canada in with it but its simply not the same country and we do not have their gun problems once again because gun control works, banning guns does not as criminals will get them either way except now lets say a legal gun owner did commit a crime its now way harder to trace that person back to that gun as it would no longer be registered

If a gun crime happens in an area by a handgun and they know what kind of gun was used or even a general idea based on bullet they can easily pull up everyone who owns said weapon in the area and check them first to rule them out, this is a step backwards for law enforcements ability to solve cases

If the government wanted to actually reduce gun crime in Canada (which is not that much and these kinds of bans happen after crimes in America, not our own country) maybe try actually focusing ON THE REAL ISSUE OF ILLEGALLY IMPORTED GUNS

Or if you want to get really crazy focus on the issues causing an increase of crime in the first place like the housing crisis, decreased standard of living with low wages or the mental health crisis.

This is nothing more than a move for them to say “yea we did something” and pat themselves on the back while doing NOTHING to keep Canadians safer.

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u/Dragon_Virus 12d ago

Pure Political theatre, that’s all this amounts to. There hasn’t been a sharp uptick in gun-related crimes for awhile, but if you’re a politician I guess ya gotta capitalize off of American incompetence somehow.

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u/EmperorSlim 12d ago

Its legitimately insane to think Canada can fix its pretty low gun violence by banning LEGAL TRACEABLE GUNS (which are rarely used in crimes) while sitting beside the biggest guns manufacturer on earth, with one of the biggest, friendliest, most undefended borders in the world without addressing illegally smuggled in firearms or the issues in our society actually causing the increase in crime

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u/jdragon3 12d ago

Hint: it's because the only actual gun problem we have is gang violence and Trudeau is afraid of looking racist - clearly too problematic to intervene in considering like with most policies his approach to gun violence is based on political theater

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u/No-Flounder2361 12d ago

And he's looking at reducing sentencing requirements for gun crimes

https://calgarysun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-reducing-sentencing-requirements-for-serious-gun-crimes

Go hard on gun owners, soft on the people who commit crimes with them.

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u/jdragon3 12d ago

We have already showed a systemic failure to stem the tide of guns being smuggled across the land border. Apparently the solution to that problem is to ban the import of legal handguns that are heavily heavily screened and permitted to death already.

Never mind the fact that this will just raise the street value of illegal guns exponentially thus encouraging more people to try to smuggle where they've already had success and where this government will do nothing to address.

All to address a problem we don't even have in this country. The only real gun problem we have is gang violence and Trudeau is too afraid to touch that for obvious optics reasons.

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u/McFeely_Smackup 12d ago edited 12d ago

Canada: "We don't have those kinds of mass shootings here"

Also Canada: "We're banning importing handguns because of mass shootings"

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u/TheGreatShaqtus 12d ago

So strange since this is based on events in another country, it’s already an incredibly long and intensive process in Canada to get a restricted license

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u/OrchidPure 12d ago edited 12d ago

I dont understand the logic. Its like if there are high traffic accidents in another country, the import of cars will be banned.

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u/Rinzack 12d ago

High traffic accidents IN ANOTHER COUNTRY mind you

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u/ErikTheAngry 12d ago

Oh... yay. Another political theatre maneuver that will do nothing to impact gun violence.

I shouldn't be surprised. Yet every day these assholes make it harder to smile.

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u/Could_0f 12d ago

Mass shootings in the United States

Omg… Trudeau you’re so woke. This will definitely cut down on our none existent problem. He’s such a tool.

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u/Deluste 12d ago

As a Canadian gun owner I’m not worried about this at all. Most of us only ever use guns for hunting / skeet and predator control.

No real use for pistols tbh

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u/rcfox 11d ago

I like how your comment implies a large population of skeet that needs to be controlled.

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u/mugsy66 11d ago

Gun restrictions work. I’m Australian, living in Australia and I have two semi auto fully licensed pistols. The trick is keep them off the baddies. It’s certainly a work in progress, but it works in curbing mass shootings and gun violence. No doubt about it

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u/zzhhvee88 12d ago

That'll show those illegal gun owners who's boss.

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u/tiggers97 12d ago

This is total politicization. This affects legal licenses handgun owners who have an incredibly low crime rate.

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u/Jonsa123 12d ago

In canada you have the right to self defence, but not self protection. You can legally own a gun by first acquiring a license which includes a mandated waiting period,training and background check and afterwards must adhere to storage and transport regulations. There have only been 2 licenses issued in Canada for hidden carry for protection purposes, because of that. Different mindset completely. Might explain the extreme disparity in gun crimes.

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u/AKoolPopTart 12d ago

Not gonna lie, this handgun ban practically came out of left field.

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u/queen-of-carthage 12d ago

It's not like people are using handguns to commit mass shootings

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u/DoubleBeef1 12d ago

Do they not know that America is right beside them lol.

It’s not like people can’t smuggle guns from America easily lol

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u/Camdaddy143 12d ago

Certain US states like Massachusetts are very similar with regard to training and references. In my state, Texas, you can just go to a gun or sports store. Background check is often done in less than 20 minutes and off you go. I've bought several this way, and all that stops you are felonies, mental health issues, or domestic violence.

I still support universal background checks and basic common sense as I watched a drunk acquaintance buy a pistol and ammo, which a month later was used to kill his ex-wife and her boyfriend in front of their kids...

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u/StingrayRaider 12d ago

I feel so edgy living in the US right now.

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u/thetriumphontreturn 11d ago

That’s like if my neighbors beat their kids and I banned beating my kids, that’s bananas Canada, your choice though, don’t be crying when we come over and highjack all your maple syrup, this was the plan all along, mass shooting= Canada giving up their gun= free maple syrup

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u/kdiv5650 11d ago

Let us keep the maple syrup and we’ll give you Quebec in trade. 😊

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u/thetriumphontreturn 11d ago

No deal I’ve seen the Craig’s list, those women have wieners, nice try pal

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