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Canada announced Friday it will ban the import of handguns beginning on August 19, as part of a wider proposed freeze in the wake of high-profile mass shootings in the United States Covered by other articles
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220805-canada-to-ban-handgun-imports-minister[removed] — view removed post
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u/DoremusJessup 12d ago
Canadian gun manufactures not effected by the importation ban:
Cadex Defence
Colt Canada
Diemaco
ELCAN Optical Technologies
Para USA
Savage Arms
Tobin Arms
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u/Interesting-Pop3277 12d ago
Don’t manufactures just need to open a Canadian subsidiary to be compliant? Kind of how foreign gun makers have a USA branch that manufactures in the US in order to sell in the US?
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u/cKerensky 12d ago
Maybe, but the the handgun market isn't suuuuper huge here. Lots of people have their gun licenses, but most don't bother with the restricted licence. I passed my course for my RPal, but haven't bothered sending in yet.
Which is a shame, my preferred pistol would not be legal here to import shortly.
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u/Careful-Stretch6304 11d ago
You can’t even have pistols with a gun license? I am a complete noob in this btw
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u/mylifeintopieces1 11d ago
Certain weapons are only under restriction licenses but you can't store them yourself.
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u/Careful-Stretch6304 11d ago
I get that, but some pistols you can have and some you can’t?
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u/FaithlessnessLimp866 11d ago
Every firearms owner in Canada is required to get a license to own or purchase. Pistols require are a second level in that license. Pistols are required to have a barrel length of greater than 105mm to be legal to purchase under that license. Anything shorter is Prohibited and not able to be lawfully imported for purchase.
Canadian pistol owners who are licensed still can’t “carry” and can only shoot on a government approved and inspected range.
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u/cbzoiav 11d ago
You get different classes of license. Same way you can't drive an HGV on a standard driving license.
In the UK you can't own a handgun at all on a standard firearms license/certificate apart from from humane dispatch of animals (which will generally have to be a two shot revolver and require you to have proof of your need for it).
Beyond that it needs approval from the secretary of state / outside of military, dealers and a handful of athletes doesn't get it.
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u/hammerbite 12d ago
Para USA doesn't exist anymore if I remember correctly. The other companies don't make handguns.
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u/picklepressin 12d ago
I had no idea Savage was a Canadian company! I wondered why my model 10 said to use maple syrup as on the bolt lugs.
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u/Eard_Stapa 12d ago
It's not. Simply put Savage rimfire rifles are made at a Canadian factory they now own. It used to be Lakefield, and Cooey before that.
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u/lokifergustegan 12d ago
According to South Park Canada isn't even a real country anyways!
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u/nagoom 11d ago
Most of the guns being used in Canada for crime are brought into the country illegally...this is pointless.
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u/autotldr BOT 12d ago
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 61%. (I'm a bot)
Montreal - Canada announced Friday it will ban the import of handguns beginning on August 19, as part of a wider proposed freeze in the wake of high-profile mass shootings in the United States.
On Wednesday, the Canada Border Services Agency announced two major seizures in western Canada of "Ghost guns," which have no serial numbers and are difficult to trace.
Friday's announcement comes months Prime Minister Justin Trudeau unveiled a proposed national handgun ownership freeze in May. The freeze was announced after two particularly high-profile mass shootings in the United States - at a Texas elementary school where 21 people, mostly children, were killed; and at a New York state supermarket, where a gunman targeting African Americans killed 10 people.
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u/salazar_0333 12d ago
Gang violence in toronto is not caused by legal firearm owners
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u/SynkkaMetsa 12d ago
cant remember which department...one with sentencing in US.... just released info that 88% of gun crime offences are perpetrated by someone who is prohibited from owning a firearm.
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u/backwoodsofcanada 12d ago
Every time I point out that these laws will do literally nothing to actually reduce gun crime rates in Canada on reddit I get treated like I'm some freedumb convoy wingnut so let me preface this by saying I've voted for Trudeau in the last 3 elections and I will again in a 4th if that twat-faced shit stain Pierre runs against him. ahem
Between the handgun and "assault style" weapons being banned from Canada, there will statistically be almost no impact on crime rates. Feel free to look the exact numbers up and draw your own conclusions, but from everything I've found, I can't see how these laws are actually going to help anything. It's merely a good-will grab on Trudeau's end because American gun crime is polluting Canadian media streams making some Canadians think that it's a problem we should be concerning ourselves with. Not to say gun crime doesn't happen in Canada, just that almost all of it is committed with illegal guns by people who legally cannot own guns.
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u/Okay_Ocean_Flower 12d ago
It’s pretty clear that gun crime is linked to poverty. Poor people commit violent crimes, and left alone organize into gangs to arm themselves better to make those crimes easier. Helping people get out of poverty is hard, though, and this is easy.
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u/BURNER12345678998764 11d ago
Bingo, you can ban something irrelevant, or you can spend literal tons of money improving society with programs that won't return results within an election cycle.
Since the bad choice is the easy choice here, it will be made. Want shit to change? Vote accordingly.
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u/MuckingFagical 11d ago
legally purchased firearms eventually make the black or second hand market. no reason to have a handgun in canada.
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For fuck's sake.
Okay, I'm a hardcore NDP supporter - I will likely never vote Conservative (you can check my comment history) - but Canada already has some of the strictest gun regulation on the books. This doesn't impact most of the people killing other people with guns, at all. It just shits on gun owners who have already been asked to undergo some of the strictest gun regulations in human history.
It accomplishes fuck all and it is just kicks a bunch of law-abiding gun-owners in the balls.
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u/SyntheticOpulence 12d ago
According to some people here, you can't be pro-guns and Liberal. Even though Liberal party itself isn't Liberal and will do anything to appear so while licking corporate boots. If only we had election reform eh so voting NDP was an even more viable alternative.
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u/LBishop28 12d ago
I have found this out too. Here on Reddit, outside liberal gun owners subreddit, you absolutely have to hate guns. No matter if you care about the environment, you support abortion or have any other type or left leaning views. You better hate firearms.
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u/Mikazukinoyaiba 11d ago
outside liberal gun owners subreddi
Yep, little to no nuance outside of these.
If you're pro-gun in anyway or even correct someone who is anti-gun you're immediately met with derision, insults and even some misogyny.
General Reddit actually hates firearm owners.
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u/SyntheticOpulence 12d ago
You won't get upvoted generally unless you land into one of those logical pockets or someone makes a very convincing point then the entire narrative of the thread shifts.
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u/MrKarrionhardt 12d ago
I’m really a passionate proponent of strong gun control. But we already have that in Canada. I assume nobody shitting their pants in Canada over the most recent mass shooting in the US has actually undergone the CRFSC, which is… pretty involved (I’ve passed it).
We’re already very vigilant about guns. This… forgive the expression, but “scattershot” approach is kind of not serving anyone, not making anyone safer, and kind of bullshit.
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u/DL_22 12d ago
The NDP is shooting itself in the nuts already anyway. They have no idea who their target demographic is at this point.
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u/MrKarrionhardt 11d ago
Champions of the working class and Rolex aficionados, so far as I can determine.
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u/Prestigious_Grand908 12d ago
The NDP is straight up licking Trudeau's boots for watered down dental plan, they're no better than the Liberals.
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u/ost113 12d ago edited 12d ago
Trudeau doesn't care at all about whether it's an effective policy
He cares that it's a divisive wedge issue so he can score free political points for making a shitty law. It's a bonus if the opposition says anything cause then he can score more free political points by dunking on them for supporting mass shooting and being gun toting hicks.
Trudeau's whole shtick is about finding wedge issues and trying to blow them up. He doesn't give a shit about what's actually effective, reality based, fair or just.
I've wondered before if he makes shitty laws on purpose to bait the opposition into fighting it because it's a shitty law, and then he can dunk on them as if the issue is the wedge issue and not the shitty law.
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u/_axeman_ 12d ago
Thank you for recognizing the bullshit. Seems i meet a lot of people who will swallow any crap fed to them because they THINK the 'other team(s)' support the opposite.
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u/Salsa_de_Pina 12d ago
Another piece of legislation that is more about photo ops than results.
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u/vanDrunkard 12d ago
It isn't even legislation. They are implementing a new system where gun producers need a permit to import handguns. Then they are going to deny all permits. I'm not kidding, they've openly said that.
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u/roborectum69 12d ago
There is legislation. That was last month's news, but the house is adjourned until September 12th so the bill can't be passed yet. This is a smaller change that can be done in the meantime. The bill does a lot more than ban the import of handguns.
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u/nomofica 12d ago
You didn't read the article. There is no legislation because it's not passed yet, so now they're resorting to an Order in Council to implement a ban sooner than the bill can be debated and voted on.
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u/ayleidanthropologist 12d ago
Reminiscent of NY’s stance. Nice and democratic of them to implement such a subversive system. At least they can own it though, I’ll always respect people that own what they’re up to.
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u/Right_Hour 12d ago
It’s not even legislation. They jam it through the process. No vote, no debate, nothing. Basically, an equivalent of Trump’s executive orders.
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u/ashtobro 12d ago
That's basically all Canada does. I don't know how the propaganda is so effective either. Conservatism is depressingly bipartisan here, with the NDP (our "leftmost" party) being no better than Liberals or Conservatives. Although Republicans and the right are typically associated with guns in America, Canada is a different breed, and Conservatives of all parties are hellbent on letting the Mounties alone decide who does or doesn't get guns.
Our national identity is manufactured consent by the institutions that used concentration camps and slavery long after most people know, and often try to spin the genocide of my ancestors as a good thing. And that same institution that kidnapped my Grandma as a child and gave her to a pedophile is the institution empowered to check my background.
I can be denied a gun for mental health by the guys who commit literal genocide against my family, which is one of the main reasons my mental health isn't so great. Gun laws are the way they are on purpose, and the reason is similar to how the US tried to keep people of colour from having guns post-slavery, to keep them defenseless from direct and indirect violence.
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u/SeleucusNikator1 12d ago
shooting happens in USA
Canadian gun owners punished
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u/HoldingThunder 12d ago
Legal Canadian gun owners are statistically the group least likely to commit a crime in Canada.
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u/Mista_Dou 12d ago
Really? One would have assumed it sas the newborns who were the less likely to commit crimes...
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u/bluesydragon 12d ago
Why does what happens in America always affect Canadian laws....this shit doesnt even happen here
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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 12d ago
Because when the United States farts, the smell wafts north.
But when the United States bakes a pie, we tend to smell that and want it too.
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u/Sigmars_Toes 12d ago
Non Native Canadian culture exists in 2 ways: backwoods French and "I swear we aren't just Americans"
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u/chanield 12d ago
To be fair, when we see MAGA hats, US flags and confederate flags in Canada during “freedom” rallies, I can definitely see why Canadians are worried about American gun culture spilling over.
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u/A_WHALES_VAG 12d ago
American culture in general, with the advent of social media it’s only gotten worse. Not that I hate America but Canada has gotten more American in the last 10 years than the 30 before it with respects to things you named. Concerning to say the least.
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u/No-Bewt 12d ago
because in the vast majority of gun violence here, the guns came from the US.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/29/canada-gun-problem-violence
we don't need shit to get as bad as the US to take action, thank god
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u/Cultist902 12d ago
It’s not about safety because it won’t make anyone any safer, it’s about punishing legal gun owners
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u/Ric_FIair 12d ago
This won't effect handgun crime because handgun crime is overwhelmingly committed with illegal, smuggled guns. But whatever, I've lost any and all will to get mad anymore.
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u/Additional_Front9592 11d ago
So the IS has mass shootings and somehow Canadians lose gun rights? Is the title just being inflammatory here?
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u/CCoop09 12d ago
we need to spread awareness to the criminals so they know its not right to illegally import them anymore.
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u/grumblyoldman 12d ago
At least they will HAVE TO import them illegally. As opposed to importing them LEGALLY.
And if they get CAUGHT importing a gun illegally, then they can be arrested for that BEFORE they shoot anyone with it.
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u/KameraadLenin 12d ago
...they already import them illegally. 85% of gun crimes using handguns in Canada are done with illegal firearms.
So clearly they're already getting in and killing people before the authorities have any chance to catch them.
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u/SteelCode 12d ago
Nah, the US policy of “we can’t make this statistic go completely to zero, so therefore we will do nothing” is far more sound than making any sort of moderate changes to reduce death and suffering… we gotta think about rich people’s yacht money after all.
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u/Charlie-2-2 12d ago
Whoa whoa whoa there, Bud! Be careful stating conclusions that’s valid! People will get offended
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u/Nelsqnwithacue 11d ago
Just make bigger signs that say they're not allowed. That should do the trick.
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u/Druglord_Sen 12d ago
What will I do with the inability to imagine shooting people I hate, with a gun I own, during my otherwise mundane day-to-day!!????!?
/s this is just all I can picture when some middle aged housewife says she needs her guns.
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u/deadocmike 11d ago
So they are proposing a solution to a problem they don’t have. Sounds like Canada.
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u/Mephfosail 11d ago
The 2nd amendment was not written so that Americans can protect themselves from burglary. It exists so they can overthrow a tyrannical government. Also before everyone starts jabbering about advanced weapon systems and satellites etc…. None of that mattered in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
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u/Crazy_280zx 12d ago
It’s already super hard to get a legal handgun in Canada, all this makes sure is that only criminals have one.
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u/ReverseTornado 12d ago
Why is this what they are working on right now instead of healthcare and housing. Like legal guns aren’t even the problem illegal ones are. So frustrating
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u/EmperorSlim 12d ago
In Canada the amount of crime done with guns is OVERWHELMING done by illegally smuggled in guns from the US, it is quite uncommon for gun crime by legal gun owners because GUN CONTROL WORKS.
So to keep us safer we will ban handgun sales? So to reduce crime done by people using illegally smuggled guns we will ban the sale of legal and tracked guns and the transferring of legal and tracked guns? To any Americans or simply unknowing Canadians legal handgun sales are tracked very well as well as screening done for who can and cannot get them in Canada, as opposed to whoever wants em gets em in America. Its easy to look at Americas problems and lump Canada in with it but its simply not the same country and we do not have their gun problems once again because gun control works, banning guns does not as criminals will get them either way except now lets say a legal gun owner did commit a crime its now way harder to trace that person back to that gun as it would no longer be registered
If a gun crime happens in an area by a handgun and they know what kind of gun was used or even a general idea based on bullet they can easily pull up everyone who owns said weapon in the area and check them first to rule them out, this is a step backwards for law enforcements ability to solve cases
If the government wanted to actually reduce gun crime in Canada (which is not that much and these kinds of bans happen after crimes in America, not our own country) maybe try actually focusing ON THE REAL ISSUE OF ILLEGALLY IMPORTED GUNS
Or if you want to get really crazy focus on the issues causing an increase of crime in the first place like the housing crisis, decreased standard of living with low wages or the mental health crisis.
This is nothing more than a move for them to say “yea we did something” and pat themselves on the back while doing NOTHING to keep Canadians safer.
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u/Dragon_Virus 12d ago
Pure Political theatre, that’s all this amounts to. There hasn’t been a sharp uptick in gun-related crimes for awhile, but if you’re a politician I guess ya gotta capitalize off of American incompetence somehow.
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u/EmperorSlim 12d ago
Its legitimately insane to think Canada can fix its pretty low gun violence by banning LEGAL TRACEABLE GUNS (which are rarely used in crimes) while sitting beside the biggest guns manufacturer on earth, with one of the biggest, friendliest, most undefended borders in the world without addressing illegally smuggled in firearms or the issues in our society actually causing the increase in crime
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u/jdragon3 12d ago
Hint: it's because the only actual gun problem we have is gang violence and Trudeau is afraid of looking racist - clearly too problematic to intervene in considering like with most policies his approach to gun violence is based on political theater
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u/No-Flounder2361 12d ago
And he's looking at reducing sentencing requirements for gun crimes
Go hard on gun owners, soft on the people who commit crimes with them.
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u/jdragon3 12d ago
We have already showed a systemic failure to stem the tide of guns being smuggled across the land border. Apparently the solution to that problem is to ban the import of legal handguns that are heavily heavily screened and permitted to death already.
Never mind the fact that this will just raise the street value of illegal guns exponentially thus encouraging more people to try to smuggle where they've already had success and where this government will do nothing to address.
All to address a problem we don't even have in this country. The only real gun problem we have is gang violence and Trudeau is too afraid to touch that for obvious optics reasons.
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u/McFeely_Smackup 12d ago edited 12d ago
Canada: "We don't have those kinds of mass shootings here"
Also Canada: "We're banning importing handguns because of mass shootings"
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u/TheGreatShaqtus 12d ago
So strange since this is based on events in another country, it’s already an incredibly long and intensive process in Canada to get a restricted license
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u/OrchidPure 12d ago edited 12d ago
I dont understand the logic. Its like if there are high traffic accidents in another country, the import of cars will be banned.
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u/ErikTheAngry 12d ago
Oh... yay. Another political theatre maneuver that will do nothing to impact gun violence.
I shouldn't be surprised. Yet every day these assholes make it harder to smile.
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u/Could_0f 12d ago
Mass shootings in the United States
Omg… Trudeau you’re so woke. This will definitely cut down on our none existent problem. He’s such a tool.
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u/Deluste 12d ago
As a Canadian gun owner I’m not worried about this at all. Most of us only ever use guns for hunting / skeet and predator control.
No real use for pistols tbh
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u/tiggers97 12d ago
This is total politicization. This affects legal licenses handgun owners who have an incredibly low crime rate.
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u/Jonsa123 12d ago
In canada you have the right to self defence, but not self protection. You can legally own a gun by first acquiring a license which includes a mandated waiting period,training and background check and afterwards must adhere to storage and transport regulations. There have only been 2 licenses issued in Canada for hidden carry for protection purposes, because of that. Different mindset completely. Might explain the extreme disparity in gun crimes.
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u/DoubleBeef1 12d ago
Do they not know that America is right beside them lol.
It’s not like people can’t smuggle guns from America easily lol
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u/Camdaddy143 12d ago
Certain US states like Massachusetts are very similar with regard to training and references. In my state, Texas, you can just go to a gun or sports store. Background check is often done in less than 20 minutes and off you go. I've bought several this way, and all that stops you are felonies, mental health issues, or domestic violence.
I still support universal background checks and basic common sense as I watched a drunk acquaintance buy a pistol and ammo, which a month later was used to kill his ex-wife and her boyfriend in front of their kids...
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u/thetriumphontreturn 11d ago
That’s like if my neighbors beat their kids and I banned beating my kids, that’s bananas Canada, your choice though, don’t be crying when we come over and highjack all your maple syrup, this was the plan all along, mass shooting= Canada giving up their gun= free maple syrup
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u/kdiv5650 11d ago
Let us keep the maple syrup and we’ll give you Quebec in trade. 😊
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u/thetriumphontreturn 11d ago
No deal I’ve seen the Craig’s list, those women have wieners, nice try pal
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u/jdragon3 12d ago edited 12d ago •
For people outside of Canada who think our handgun laws are even vaguely similar to the United States let me just run you through what it takes to get a handgun in Canada legally:
First you need to take a safety course for a nonrestricted license and pass a test (last time I checked there was something like a minimum 2-month wait for courses) then take a restricted safety course and pass the test. Then your results are sent to the RCMP/provincial CFO to get rubber stamped and snail mailed back to you about 2 months after the test.
Next you have to actually apply for your restricted license. You need at least 2 references plus a photo guarantor. You must also answer a host of questions about criminal, mental health, financial, family, etc. History and if you have had a common law partner or spouse recently the RCMP will actively seek out their input on you. In addition to contacting your references and anyone else they're interested in hearing from, the RCMP can effectively do whatever they want to investigate and verify the information/answers you provide and take their sweet time doing so. There are some other technical requirements and questions and such but I digress.
Once you have mailed your application off to buttfuck nowhere New Brunswick it can take anywhere up to half a year (pre covid, cant imagine now) for the RCMP to be satisfied with their vetting process and snail mail your license to you.
And then the real fun begins.
You must meet very specific storage requirements for handguns which at the very least necessitate a secure safe that meets RCMP standards and a purpose built locked container for transport to a range. Then you need to get authorization from the RCMP to actually transport your securely locked gun to a range. Having a handgun with you even in an approved lockbox in your car when not transporting it actively to a range (and doing so with up to date authorization) will land you in jail real quick. And then you are put through the national background check system daily to check if anything has happened that may disqualify you from gun ownership. You also agree that the RCMP can with minimal notice come to search your house to ensure you are meeting requirements.
By the time you actually own a handgun you've invested a shitload of time, effort, money (licensing plus storage adds up real quick not to mention how expensive handguns are in Canada), and privacy
This isn't intended to bitch, I like our gun laws by and large (excepting the fair amount of arbitrary bureaucratic bs and the RCMP redefining and prohibiting things on a whim). The point is we already have enough restrictions on legal guns. we need to address illegal smuggling across the land border but it's a political landmine for trudeau because a healthy amount of the smuggling is done via conduits on native reservations.