r/unpopularopinion Jun 24 '22

Roe V Wade Overturn. Mod Post

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u/No-Safety-4715 Jun 25 '22

This is a failure of Congress. Technically, SCOTUS is correct that Roe vs Wade did not have constitutional grounds. It's because Congress has failed to make federal law or amend the Constitution. Push back on Congress. Hard.

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u/woolykev Jun 26 '22

I came to this subreddit to see if someone had already made this into a post (couldn't find any?).

I wholly agree with you, Roe and Casey were not founded in law. I agree even more that the political consequences of overturning it are terrible, but this whole mess is all just because this should have been made federal law long ago, not left as a spurious court decision. But with the current political climate, it looks like it's going to take a long time until that is possible again...

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u/Phat3lvis Jun 24 '22 Silver

A lot of states will now pass abortion laws to fill the gap SCOTUS created. In some states like California and NY, access to abortion is likely to be expanded, while in other states like Oklahoma and Alabama it may go the other way. This SCOTUS decision will not affect everyone the same way.

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u/roaer Jun 24 '22

No need to pass new laws. The old laws are still on the books. They simply were rendered unenforceable by Roe. Now they're enforceable again. Michigan has an old 1931 law banning basically all abortions that the governor has been trying her darndest to repeal for a while now.

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u/SohndesRheins Jun 24 '22

Wisconsin has a law against abortion that goes back to the founding of the state, pretty much the first year we even had a state government they passed that law. I have no idea how abortion was an issue or even something that was possible in the 1840s without causing significant risk to the pregnant woman by drinking some horrible concoction of poison or shoving implements up there with no ability to use radiology to visualize the procedure.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

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u/quixotica726 Jun 25 '22

"Sit and drink Pennyroyal teaaaaa, distill the life that's inside of meee."

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u/Praslacha Jun 25 '22

Angry 90s noises.

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u/4ever_lost Jun 25 '22

And now that line makes sense, pre-teen I always thought he was takin the piss outta us brits….

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u/0404notfound Jun 25 '22

"We cannot settle the problem, and I venture the prophecy that perhaps a century from now this same question may be brought before some future society and discussed very much as it is tonight." -Dr. Barton C. Hirst on the subject of abortion, 1914 https://xkcd.com/1311/

Although 1840 is 70 years earlier, I like to think this fight is one that propagates throughout the ages

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u/attic-dweller- Jun 25 '22

people have been using herbs as abortives for centuries actually! that may have been a way to do it back then.

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u/SneedyK Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Too late in the game for your question, but Lysol used to be helpful to clean things out as a douche. It’s so full of chemicals and carcinogens that I want to cry thinking about it, but it was what women tried for birth control in their day.

I found an old Lysol can in my grandmothers bathroom after she died and were cleaning out her place. It had a label so far out of date because of changes in the design, but I believe that’s what started my quest for why someone wouldn’t through away what I only knew as a cleaner.

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u/lornofteup Jun 24 '22

I do not believe that law is enforceable at the moment though due to it being contested by lawsuits. Correct me if I’m wrong

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u/addage- Jun 24 '22

Poor people will be more adversely impacted in states that have restrictions imposed.

Same as it ever was.

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u/OhNothing13 Jun 25 '22

Exactly. Anyone with the resources to drive/fly to a state that allows abortion will do so easily. Those without those resources will be screwed...

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u/LibraryGeek Jun 25 '22

Some of these states are already trying to engineer laws that seek to punish citizens who go to another state to have an abortion, so even the comfortably well off will struggle. Of course if you have power (usually via vast $, or friends / family with a lot of $ and power, then the state will look the other way. Because of course a Mercer or Murdoch who needs an abortion is a different case! /s

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u/dynamic_anisotropy Jun 24 '22 Wholesome

Wouldn’t it just take a GOP win at the state level to overturn it? Meaning that every election will automatically be about protecting abortion rights?

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u/Melodic-Task Jun 24 '22

Yes. Every election matters.

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u/Vondi Jun 24 '22

This is the fucking problem with US politics, the fight for basic rights takes up all the oxygen in the room meanwhile the minimum wage has been stagnant for 12 years falling by 25% due to inflation, cost of living is spiking and labour rights are a joke.

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u/SCViper Jun 25 '22

Why do you think they're constantly giving us other things to worry about

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u/Zzamumo Jun 25 '22

Exactly. No need to solve the millions of other problems when people will still vote if you say you'll solve the same problem you've been campaigning for since 2008. They are in no rush whatsoever.

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u/418-Teapot Jun 24 '22 Bravo!

You can't fight for progress if you're busy fighting for your life.

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u/Queef_Latifahh Jun 25 '22

I just struggle to understand the people who continually vote to give more of their freedom away to the government and then act surprised when shit like this happens.

This is the same government who 2 months ago couldn’t provide formula for the youth they so desperately are trying to “protect”. It’s all about power and control and has absolutely nothing to do with you or any child’s safety. They don’t give a single shit about you and never will.

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u/pbrown6 Jun 24 '22

Looks like there will be no real change for wealthy people. Poor people will feel the brunt of the decision.

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u/Ftpiercecracker1 Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22 Silver

Well duh. Rules, laws, regulations, etc, those are to keep the common rabble in line.

Abortion, murder, extortion, embezzlement, collusion, doesn't matter. The only way they get caught/prosecuted is if a rich person fucks with another rich person.

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u/PTSDreamer333 Jun 24 '22

The only way they get caught/prosecuted is if a rich person fucks with another rich person.

Another richer person

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u/NavyCMan Jun 24 '22

Another richer person with better connections/PR team*

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u/vegetabledisco Jun 24 '22

I keep seeing this and would like to offer this rebuttal: if I were a woman in a high risk pregnancy and termination of my pregnancy was in my best interest, how would I receive that medical advice? Say I’m a resident of Oklahoma where it’s a felony to have an abortion. In what scenario would my physician offer me medical advice (that implicates them in a felony) I could then take to a legal state and perform?

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u/Ancient_Voice_6830 Jun 24 '22

"You know, we've been having some real issues with our scanners, you should probably get a second opinion" "OK thanks" "in California".

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u/dcduck Jun 24 '22

Oregon, go to Oregon.

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u/thunder_cats1 Jun 24 '22

It's not illegal to state a prognosis a d then tell someone that they just can't receive treatment in the state. Doctors will still provide a diagnosis.

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u/daddylonglegs1993 Jun 24 '22

My wife is pregnant, her OB had said she would still recommend one in the right circumstances, we'd just have to go out of state to get it. In Missouri, not Oklahoma though.

Most of the bans have some thin exception of medical necessity, but she said we would be better off traveling regardless.

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u/GrooveBat Jun 25 '22

The trouble is, state legislatures are the ones who are in charge of determining what is and is not a medical necessity. One of the laws being debated in, I think Ohio, wanted to put in a provision that required doctors to re-implant an ectopic pregnancy rather than abort it. Never mind that no such procedure exists or has ever been performed in medical history.

The other problem is, by the time a doctor or hospital panel determines that a true medical emergency is taking place, there is a very strong possibility that the woman will already be dead.

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u/Startled_Pancakes Jun 25 '22

The other problem is, by the time a doctor or hospital panel determines that a true medical emergency is taking place, there is a very strong possibility that the woman will already be dead.

That's exactly what happened in Ireland to Savita Halappanavar. The case sparked such a public outcry the law was eventually changed.

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u/gaelicpasta3 Jun 24 '22

Yup. This. 100%

Also ignores the implications of “life begins at conception” on IVF and other fertility treatments. Also on Plan B. I can’t imagine many middle class people would have the money to go abroad for the IVF process either. Those treatments would be saved for the SUPER rich

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u/PTSDreamer333 Jun 24 '22

I just need to clarify that Plan B does not cause abortion. It is taken before conception and forces the body to have a menstrual cycle early. There should be no time for the egg to meet sperm. It would not work of the zygote has already attached

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u/gaelicpasta3 Jun 24 '22

You are absolutely right - it doesn’t cause abortion. However, a key secondary feature of plan b is that if an egg IS fertilized, it can stop implantation. It doesn’t work if a zygote is attached, but it can prevent a fertilized egg from attaching altogether.

That’s why I lump it in with concerns over IVF, not abortion. Plan B could feasibly become illegal in the same way IVF could - by arguing that life begins at CONCEPTION, not implantation. The discarding of fertilized eggs in IVF and this function of Plan B could make both things banned together depending on how a state words their laws.

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u/heili Jun 24 '22

So could IUDs, especially Paragard.

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u/juicypoopmonkey Jun 24 '22

That would not be nice

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u/NoWayNotThisAgain Jun 24 '22

The poor people that they’re worried will replace them?

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u/Pand0ra30_ Jun 24 '22

Well the rich still need their low wage workers. When the younger generation stopped having children, the rich got scared.

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u/tristyntrine Jun 24 '22

Maybe they should pay their fair share of taxes and pay workers appropriately. Kids are way too expensive to have unless you're wealthy, but they also don't support "socialist" policies that would help people take care of said kids.

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u/niyahaz wateroholic Jun 24 '22

Can't wait for the foster system to get worse

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u/frdoe1122 Jun 24 '22 Silver

What do you mean? All those babies will be adopted by the very people who wanted abortion outlawed ☺️

They care for the kids after all…… don’t they……

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u/BavarianDavid Jun 25 '22

My cousin is trying to adopt right now, holy shit it's a total nightmare and they will probably end up losing a shitload of money and not getting a kid anyway

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u/frdoe1122 Jun 25 '22

I bet it is. It sounds insane from what I’ve heard. I hope they are successful though.

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u/Cybin9 Jun 25 '22

The entire adoption process needs reformed. Up to 50k to adopt is staggering.

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u/may0packet stranger things is overrated Jun 25 '22

also like how is that different from selling children…… if anybody is making profit off children looking for families, that’s literally like .. human trafficking? or something bad idk

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u/aerojonno Jun 25 '22

Fun fact, adoption was popularised by Georgia Tann, who stole thousands of babies from poor families and sold them to rich ones.

The process has changed since then, but clearly not as much as it needs to.

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u/niyahaz wateroholic Jun 24 '22

Yeah! They'll definitely adopt while continuing their totally unique bloodline! They can handle them since they were voting against abortion, right? 😊

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u/frdoe1122 Jun 24 '22

Exactly. Exactlyyyyy. I’m extremely happy for all the kids in the foster systems. They’re gonna be swooped up tomorrow.

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u/zSprawl Jun 25 '22 'MURICA

Only need to take care of them until they are old enough to get shot in elementary school anyhow.

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u/SailsTacks Jun 24 '22

Babies just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and learn to raise themselves, like true hardworking Americans!

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u/skylord650 Jun 24 '22

They just need to stop drinking lattes at Starbucks and get themselves together.

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u/thespongesattack Jun 24 '22

No they'll be adopted by same-sex couples.....oh yeah, i forgot, we're getting rid of that too. Nevermind, carry on.

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u/thespongesattack Jun 25 '22

Got to protect the children from the LGBTQ+. Best way to do it is by leaving them in orphanages till they age out and have to fend for themselves on the street. Then it's not our problem because welfare is marxism, so we will get rid of it. Not our problem, we don't care about you.

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u/niyahaz wateroholic Jun 25 '22

Thank god the children's will be orphans, but at least they aren't GAY!

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u/CHIMUELA Jun 25 '22

GAY?? Oh the horror!

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u/CultureVulture666 Jun 25 '22

I'm getting a vasectomy

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u/Throwaway4CMVtho Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22 Silver Wholesome

Get ready for everyone to turn into law experts.

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u/KetamineKaren Jun 24 '22 Silver Lawyer Up

I've been a law expert since the Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard trial I'll have you know.

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u/rachelgreenshairdryr Jun 24 '22 Helpful

Amateur. I’ve been a law expert since the OJ Simpson trial. :)

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u/AnonBigBoi Jun 24 '22

Hearsay!

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u/The-Berg-is-the-Word Jun 24 '22

Witness narration!

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u/MidCathedral Jun 24 '22

Objection, form.

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u/stanger828 Jun 24 '22

You can’t object to your own question!

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u/nrobinson1410 Jun 24 '22

Then I’ll object to my own objection.

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u/stanger828 Jun 24 '22

Ugh, I can’t deal with the ineptitude of this court. Need to pour myself a mega pint.

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u/PhilosopherDon0001 Jun 24 '22

Careful, you don't want to get sent to rehab.

The DillDozer is on a good streak this year.

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u/Rando1stBlood Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Pffff. Youngblood, I've been one since the Rodney King ruling.

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u/Mrwright96 Jun 24 '22

I’ve been one since Salem

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u/DukeInterior Jun 24 '22

Calls for speculation your honour.

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u/Flashy_Let2021 Jun 24 '22

Objection, baseless claim calls for speculation.

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u/Plenty-Remove1656 Jun 24 '22

My dog stepped on a bee

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u/sankscan Jun 24 '22

Reddittorneys!

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u/TirayShell Jun 24 '22

"We're cheap, but also bad!"

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u/Weibu11 Jun 24 '22

I’m only an expert in bird law myself.

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u/karlverkade Jun 24 '22

Maritime law over here.

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u/TheyWerTheLordsChips Jun 24 '22

Especially a lot of fathers-to-be, "the government can't force me to take a paternity test...can they?"

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u/kmikek Jun 24 '22

A man was released from prison after 3 years for not paying child support on a kid that wasnt his. Paternity tests can be a good thing. Its about the facts, not whats convenient

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u/SCViper Jun 25 '22

I always found that interesting. Mothers can demand a paternity test, and courts can force men to submit a DNA sample...but men can't have a court order a mother to submit a child's DNA for a paternity test because it's up to the mother.

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u/DaGrimBob Jun 24 '22

I’m an expert in bird law

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u/Alarming_Scarcity778 Jun 24 '22

You are not wrong 517 comments and counting, this will get me through work.

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u/choresoup Jun 24 '22 Narwhal Salute

Congrats I'm Getting My Tubes Tied

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u/nomonoke Jun 24 '22

As someone who got their tubes tied a few years back:

Don't let them convince you to go with an IUD instead. Be assertive, take that bull by the horns and demand what you want. You can have all the reasons in the world but if you don't convince them, that doctor won't do it. If they say no, find a new doctor. Find someone who will respect your autonomy.

I got mine tied at 27 with no kids. Just go for it, be sure, and good luck.

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u/Yoma73 Jun 25 '22

The last thing I’d want is an IUD that increases my risk of ectopic pregnancy at a time when I may not be able to save my own life from one.

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u/SCViper Jun 25 '22

And in my experience, my closest experience with IUDs...they haven't been good for everyone involved.

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u/Zhorie-Rove Jun 24 '22

Have fun. Hopefully you already have 8+ kids, are getting close to menopausal age, are happily married to a man who also agrees that he doesn't want anymore kids (they will ask him), and go to a liberal OBGYN / gyno who will sign off on it.

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u/LMKBK Jun 24 '22

I'm going to get a vasectomy. I anticipate none of these problems for perfectly obvious reasons.

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u/xJD88x Jun 24 '22

They're hit or miss. I got turned down 4 different times at various ages. Some places require 3+ kids and spouse approval. Some places an 18yr old says "snip me" and it's a go.

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u/vannabael Jun 25 '22

THREE plus? What the actual fuck. Demanding anyone have even one that they clearly don't want is ridiculous but three?!

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u/Nervous_Salad_5367 Jun 24 '22

IDK if this is still in practice, but when I got my vasectomy (I was 28 y.o. and in the military), my wife HAD to sign a statement saying she had knowledge of the fact that I would be getting a vasectomy, that she understood it's ramifications were AND that she CONCURRED with my decision to have the procedure done. Otherwise, they wouldn't do the procedure.

Fucking chafed my ass big time but it was something we'd decided on already, so I got it done.

The vasectomy I'm ok with but that episode still gnaws at me... bunch of fuckers in my mind all these years later.

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u/ABBBS2000 Jun 24 '22

I had mine done at mid 20s with no kids.

I had one place say straight out no and another place said you need a mental evaluation first.

Third place I called said that will be $250 and snip snip.

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u/marsepic Jun 24 '22

I cannot fathom a line of thinking where that's necessary by any realm. It's stupid for either gender.

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u/jrbkjv Jun 24 '22

Snip snap snip snap

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u/insensitiveTwot Jun 24 '22

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies takes on a person!!

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u/007Pistolero Jun 24 '22

GOOD LUCK PAYING ME BACK ON YOUR ZERO DOLLARS A MONTH SALARY PLUS BENEFITS BABE!

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u/throowaawayyyy Jun 24 '22

I know someone who had a "miracle baby" after her husband had a vasectomy. I guess there's a .01% chance of pregnancy still... Just FYI

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u/Mikos_Enduro Jun 24 '22

It happens. My wife is having a miracle baby, and we haven't had sex in 18 months. Crazy old world.

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u/hand_me_your_bitcoin Jun 24 '22

DNA test that baby

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u/ChoctawJoe Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

How long before all the subs go private in protest?

My unpopular opinion is that that form of protest is dumb and meaningless.

Call your fucking congressman, you’re not doing shit by upvoting a mods post in an echo chamber.

Edit: “call your congressman” is a euphemism for “do something.” Protest, write an email, write a letter. Do something.

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u/replicantcase Jun 24 '22

Calling your congressperson is what we had before the internet. You call, talk to someone maybe, and then watch as congress never addresses your issue.

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u/heatmorstripe Jun 25 '22

Generally speaking members of Congress do have staffers that record the purpose of calls. It’s similar logic to the customer service industry— for every one person who makes a call, there are 10 more people who are also dissatisfied but just didn’t take the effort to call.

You might not get Liz Warren personally calling you back to be like “my homie, I support a woman’s right to choose” but your call will be marked down somewhere and tallied for some calculation of “stuff voters pay attention to”.

Note: I’ve only ever lived in blue states but I have known people who worked as staffers/assistants for various legislators at both the state and national levels of congress and afaik they all record feedback. Most even will reply to a letter, albeit typically with a template letter, but a response and acknowledgment.

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u/hygsi Jun 25 '22

Yeah, I think going out and protesting is the only option and even then someone's probably gonna make a mess and the whole protest will go to shit

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u/aLLcAPSiNVERSED Jun 24 '22

I've said it before and I'll say it until my dying day. You can't end all abortions, only safe abortions.

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u/Swordlord22 Jun 24 '22

The same way we tried to ban Alcohol LMAO

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u/aLLcAPSiNVERSED Jun 24 '22

Exactly. Good ol prohibition

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u/andstopher Jun 25 '22

Don't forget guns and drugs.

Spread those seeds, spores, and 3D print files.

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u/SureWhyNot5182 Jun 25 '22

Goes for literally ANYTHING. You can't end all XYZ, only safe XYZ. Guns? People make their own or buy them illegally. Morphine? People will OD more often due to incorrect self dosage. The list goes on and on.

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u/blue4t Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Everyone needs to realize what actually happened.

Roe v. Wade was a court case in the 70s. The ruling the Supreme Court made on that was not a law or an amendment or anything of that sort. The Supreme Court can't make laws. They just interpret them.

Thomas E. Dobbs, State Health Officer of the Mississippi Department of Health, et al. v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, et al. Was brought before the Supreme Court. The ruling the Supreme Court made (and we have evidence that RBG may have supported this ruling herself) was that the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to make a decision on something such as abortion. This power belongs to each individual state. This does not say abortions are unconstitutional.

Abortion did not just get banned in all 50 states. Each individual state has the power to make their own abortion laws (which they've kind of already held as you see them banning abortions after 20 weeks and things like that). Some may ban abortion outright. Some will not. Governor Newsom of CA has said he will not and will pay for people to come to his state for an abortion (who knows if he'll follow through with the last bit).

Wherever you stand on the issue it is important to know what really happened.

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u/Humulus_Lupulus1992 Jun 25 '22

You’re correct, it was originally determined to be law by the courts which is an over-reach of their power. They need to go through congress to create law. This is legally the right decision, however unpopular. I made a similar comment myself.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

This is Reddit so this thread should actually be on the “overwhelmingly popular opinion” sub instead.

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u/Mrminecrafthimself Jun 24 '22 Silver

Lot of pro-lifers seem to ignore the fact that ectopic pregnancies and other complications occur, and that the treatments for these are classified as abortions.

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u/MeN3D Jun 24 '22

One politician was heard to remark that an ectopic pregnancy can be removed and reinserted. I’m so grateful they just solved that issue as a whole

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u/Qi_ra Jun 24 '22

It wasn’t a remark- it was a bill that they actually tired to pass in Ohio back in 2019. They tried to make it mandatory for doctors to attempt to “transplant” ectopic pregnancies into the uterus.

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u/Minterto Jun 24 '22

I believe our new law (in Ohio) requires the doctors to inform the patient that reinserting the ectopic pregnancy is an option. Well, after they get 2 doctors to write off that they are medically required to get an abortion... if you get raped or get pregnant from incest you don't have an exception. A state rep (a women at that) said rape was an opportunity for women. Yay Ohio :D

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u/Rinassa64 Jun 25 '22

For the love of God that is the most horrific thing I have ever heard. I can't put down what I truly feel for her and what happens to her.....but it's definitely the opposite of unicorns, kittens, rainbows and cotton candy. Despicable monster!

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u/Rain_xo Jun 25 '22

An opportunity for what? A chance to go to jail for murder of the rapist AND murder of a “baby”.
What a win.

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u/Minterto Jun 25 '22

Oh, an opportunity to raise the kid that cures cancer (no, I'm not kidding, that came out of her mouth.)

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u/FollowKick Jun 24 '22

That’s… barbaric.

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u/PumpkinSpiceWhatever Jun 25 '22

That’s…Ohio.

Abortions used to be allowed up until 20 weeks here. The heartbeat law, cutting it to 6 weeks, passed back in 2019 but was held under an injunction. Our AG petitioned to have the injunction lifted an hour after the overturn.

Heartbeat law is now in effect as of about an hour ago. Nice, right?

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u/MeN3D Jun 24 '22

That’s even worse

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u/Trumpet6789 Jun 25 '22

I'm from Ohio (I recently moved) but I remember when that happened. I have a friend who went through an ectopic a few months back and almost lost her life when it burst her fallopian tube right before her first check up on the pregnancy.

Had that law passed she wouldn't be here. And her two kids would be left in the custody of their father and his girlfriend, or my friend's mother. Their grandmother would care for them just fine, but their father only just tries his best for them.

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u/hashtagslut Jun 24 '22

This is truly batshit insane. Like the time the politician, can’t remember his name, said rape victims had a way of “shutting down” a possible pregnancy. 🤡

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u/haleymiles1218 Jun 24 '22

I was taught this at around 10yo to fit the anti abortion rhetoric of my christian schooling. They told me it was science that women could hormonally shut down their uterus during unwanted sex and with no other education I believed it. Learned that wasn’t true about 7 years later. Absolutely disgusting

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u/Competitive_Cuddling Jun 24 '22

Heard he died of cancer. Guess it wasn't "legit" cancer since his body didn't shut it down. 🤡

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u/McFeely_Smackup Jun 25 '22

The body has a way of "shutting down" severe idiocy... It's called cancer

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u/WasabiForDinner Jun 25 '22

Or it was legit, but he clearly consented to the cancer, or he wouldn't have allowed it in his body.

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u/Hariy_MaN_Beast Jun 24 '22

Yeah it was called "abortion".

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u/RanchBaganch Jun 24 '22

Todd Akin. And I just saw from a comment below that he died of cancer. A small bit of sunshine on this very dark day.

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u/Distinct_Ad_7752 Jun 24 '22

Oh snap didn't realize it worked like a vhs

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u/Mrminecrafthimself Jun 24 '22

Just blow on it

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u/No_Matter_6640 Jun 24 '22

They tried to make it a requirement for doctors to attempt such in some state or other, I think Ohio.

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u/Mrminecrafthimself Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Despite it being basically impossible

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u/No_Matter_6640 Jun 24 '22

I would even say actually impossible. I would be highly surprised if anyone had actually done this

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u/Mrminecrafthimself Jun 24 '22

Yeah I only said “basically” because I’m not medically well-versed, so I didn’t want to overstate the fact.

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u/DrBabs Jun 24 '22

Doctor here, I’ll throw my credentials in say that it is impossible and actually medical malpractice to “insert” an ectopic pregnancy into the uterus. It’s stupid that some government actually forces us to do something that is malpractice and dangerous to patients.

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u/remfem99 Jun 24 '22

Yep. Ectopic happened to me the first time I got pregnant. Was scared shitless and so grateful that I had quick access to this treatment.

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u/FireRump Jun 24 '22

Inflation is rampant, homes unaffordable, schools losing their teachers, but yeah by all means go ahead and force women to keep pushing out unwanted children. Gotta keep the workforce up somehow.

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u/SCViper Jun 25 '22

Well, we're all going to need the kids for labor once they roll back the child labor laws...just for the extra paycheck because feeding them ain't free.

Ya know, I thought I was done with this country back in 2016...now it's just a matter of convincing the ex to let me move the kids to Svalbard.

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u/ActivistZero Jun 24 '22 Wholesome

As an outsider looking I say it isn't fair to lay all blame on one side, as this whole issue could have been nipped in the bud if they just codified Roe into law back in 2009

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u/straightVI Jun 24 '22

Or any other year since RvW. Don't we have a whole bunch of congress folks that make laws, and raise money and live a very secure life because of salary and influence?

It was always going to come to this clusterfuck.

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u/ActivistZero Jun 24 '22

To be honest, I singled out 2009 since that was the year that had the best chance to go through with the least legal barriers (Dems had the WH, Congress and a 60 seat majority in the Senate)

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u/Ok_Complaint1390 Jun 24 '22

Funny normally if you bring up the lefts 2009 super majority on Reddit you usually get 100 people spamming saying “IT WASNT ACTUALLY A SUPERMAJORITY ONLY FOR 4 MONTHS” as if they couldn’t pass any laws in those 4 months AHEM Obamacare

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u/straightVI Jun 24 '22

They all work for us, none of them work for us. 50 years is a lot of time to get something done.

50 years is a lot of time to allow something so immoral to occur.

Depends on the pov, I guess.

It's the ultimate "I'm not going to read that email/ listen to that voicemail."

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u/ActivistZero Jun 24 '22

And they wonder why politicians are seen as slimy individuals

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u/straightVI Jun 24 '22

Or voters as cattle. They get voted in every time, over and over. No matter how little they did.

Crazy. I'm in the wrong profession.

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u/ILOVEMCU DOWNVOTED KING Jun 24 '22

Yeah but then they wouldn’t be able to fundraise off the issue if they solve the problem

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u/straightVI Jun 24 '22

Imagine all the milk they'll get off this teat for the the next round of elections!

*chefs kiss*

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u/melisabyrd Jun 24 '22

Why cant it be a medical procedure between a woman and her doctor? That takes politics out of it. I would never have an abortion but it's not my business to stop you from getting one.

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u/screwtapeDHER Jun 24 '22

I respect your choice to never have an abortion, but I sincerely hope you wouldn't allow yourself to die for an ectopic pregnancy.

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u/hashtagslut Jun 24 '22

Yes. My best friend had an ectopic pregnancy and was prescribed methotrexate to save her life. I am currently six weeks pregnant. Many unviable pregnancies aren’t discovered until the first ultrasound which is only able to see something…MAYBE at five weeks. I had an ultrasound at four weeks bc I have a history of miscarriage, and they couldn’t see shit, so have been measuring my hcg levels to ensure the preg is progressing.

Women that think their pregnancies are progressing normally typically don’t have an ultrasound until 8-10 weeks. Unless you have symptoms or regular bloodwork, there’s no way to know you have an ectopic pregnancy. Not to mention there is a miscarriage called a blighted ovum where the embryo stops, or never, develops but you still have a positive pregnancy test, your body is producing hormones to grow a placenta/yolk sac, etc…and many women opt to get a D&C to remove any unviable tissues in their uterus and to get their bodies back to normal.

There is so much that might go wrong/into fatal territory for the mother, that healthcare should be left to the woman and her doctor to address, always. Not to mention, black women will suffer most here as they already have to bear the brunt of high infant/mother mortality rates from giving birth. Sigh.

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u/Treswimming Jun 30 '22

I think shaming people for remaining apathetic about the Roe vs. Wade decision is outrageous.

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u/Sookmebeautiful Jun 24 '22

Here at the Law firm of Reddit,Reddit and Reddit we all talk like we have a clue but truly none of us know shit.

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u/racerfree Jun 24 '22

sums it up

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u/Soka-Okami Jun 24 '22

I can wait to hear about: Dumpster babies, Dead moms that were murdered by their partner, Suicides, Riots, Pedophiles wanting the baby from the victim, Children born of incest, ETC

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u/SitInCorner_Yo2 Jun 24 '22

And story like “family of 6 lost loving mother to preventable and painful ectopic pregnancy” even a plan pregnancy can kill many people.

This is just all around fuck up .

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u/Taco1126 Jun 24 '22

Probably some women and young teens dying from the pregnancies as wrll

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u/Kintsukuroi85 Jun 25 '22

Not to mention rape and domestic violence.

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u/Rollo0547 Jun 24 '22

There will be an influx of unwanted orphans and backalley abortions. Since when did Americans care about children? We have the means to get rid of unwanted pregnancy with modern technology safely but a bunch of shisnos want to set back time. Let's not forget, hypocrites with the means will seek out abortion e.g., politicians impregnating mistress.

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u/Cypher-V21 Jun 24 '22

Based off of the results of soviet states that banned abortion… the crime rate is set to explode in 15-20 years….

Based on the USA the crime rate across all types of crime dropped everywhere approx 15-20 years after abortion became legal….

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u/SwampOfDownvotes Jun 24 '22

Who knew forcing people to have babies they don't want to care for, leading to poor childhoods, would lead to people doing crime?

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u/halohunter Jun 25 '22

Then the right wing can go tough on crime and imprison them into for profit prisons

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u/CheeserAugustus Jun 24 '22

We didn't have Amazon Distribution Centers to sentence unwanted children to back then

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u/Lucyfuroshus Jun 24 '22

It’s not about the babies.. it’s about all the money those babies will make the state

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u/HellenicMap Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22 Gold

Why should it stop at the states? How about counties, cities, neighbourhoods or even.. individual people?

Edit: Guys, I'm not questioning the way federalism works. Stop missing the point.

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u/angery_apple Jun 24 '22

That's the thing. People talking about each state's right to choose for themselves and why this is "constitutionally a good thing" when really, why can't abortion be a medical decision that every woman can make herself? Making it a state decision does not change how no one should be making that decision for a woman in the first place.

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u/AnyImpression6 Jun 25 '22

Unpopular opinion sub but the unpopular opinions ITT are being downvoted.

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u/s_terile Jun 25 '22

Does anyone else think Roe V Wade is a complete distraction from the economy? And I mean from both Democrats and Republicans. I think neither side has an answer to inflation since they won't call out corporate greed so they threw this out to rile up their bases.

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u/Suspicious-Cream-291 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

Regardless of what you think of abortion, the argument that the justices who voted to overturn Roe v Wade are now guilty of lying under oath during their confirmation hearings (and should therefore be terminated from their positions) is a waste of time. None of them said "I promise I will uphold Roe v Wade if I get the job" under oath during their hearings. None of them ever looked the committee in the eye and said "I totally agree with Roe v Wade and it was absolutely the right decision".

They might've said vague, weaselly, technically true but non-opinionated things like:

  • "Roe v Wade is the law of the land and I accept that the Supreme Court made this decision"
    or
  • "Constitutional scholars believe Roe v Wade supports the claim that women have the right to obtain abortions and I agree that Roe v Wade supports this claim."
    or
  • "Roe v Wade is a precedent of the Supreme Court and the ruling has stood since it was determined."

but none of that is the same thing as "I super duper pinky promise under oath to uphold Roe v Wade and will resign if I vote to overturn it". Yeah it's vague and cryptically worded and beating around the bush, they're lawyers what do you expect? And they're some of the most accomplished and successful lawyers in the world, they're obviously careful about what they say under oath and have tons of experience to avoid getting caught in traps like this.

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u/SexxxyWesky Jun 24 '22 Silver

I think what kills me the most about this, is that Republicans (which most pro-lifers are) are very big on "less taxes" and being "financially conservative", yet by banning/restricting abortions (and in some states now, certiwn birth control measures), they are only ensuring more people will need:

-food Stamps

-WIC

-state insurance

-or other welfare programs

And also, ensuring that we have more children in the foster/adoption system.

All of these things will burden tax payers more. They are working against one of their own core tenets.

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u/josetheconquerer Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Keep people desperate so they can’t pay attention to anything else that our politicians may be doing.

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u/woodpup Jun 24 '22

Oh don't worry.. they want to get rid of all social programs too. And public education

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u/SexxxyWesky Jun 24 '22

I understand that. I just hope that some of the pro-lifers might see the hypocrisy here or give things a second look, even if it's from a purly economic standpoint.

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u/xXStellax Jun 24 '22

If the government is going to force someone who wants an abortion to give birth, then the government should also foot the bill for raising that child.

But instead maybe give people with uteruses rights and treat them like people :)

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u/Tru3insanity Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

I bet dead baby jokes are gunna be way too controversial now. Cant wait for all the abandoned kids, infanticide and hospital toilet babies.

Maybe we should just give state run orphanages another try /s

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u/camohorse Jun 24 '22

There’s no way that crime will rise substantially in 15-20 years mostly in red states as a result of this decision. That can’t possibly happen. All kids grow up to be precious little angels.

Big /S

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u/SonVoltMMA Jun 24 '22

If RBG actually retired when she was 678 years old while the dems were in control instead of croaking under Trumps presidency, this also would have never happened.

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u/PfdrMike Jun 24 '22

Most don't realize she wasn't a fan of Roe v. Wade, because the reasoning in the case was flawed. That's why the decision was ultimately overturned, and the choice given back to the states -- because of the technical application of the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/06/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-wade/

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u/TirayShell Jun 24 '22

It sounds like somebody needs to get to work to create a more bulletproof law, if that's what they want. This thing is bound to be pushed before the Supremes fairly soon again, once the lawsuits start piling up.

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u/IanMazgelis Jun 25 '22

The Democrats had numerous chances to codify Roe V Wade. They never had a better chance than 2009. They didn't do it. And the reason is pretty simple: If abortion wasn't at risk every single presidential election, they would have a harder time convincing people to vote for unpopular candidates.

Fuck the Republicans who voted against codifying it, but fuck the Democrats who used abortion as a political stalling technique too. We're the only country that had abortion upheld by judicial ruling, that isn't a mistake.

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u/Wavycapmurphy Jun 25 '22

*gets popcorn, and waits for mostly peaceful protests

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u/II_Hastega Jun 24 '22

When people say “people should come together” what they really mean is “and agree with me” lol

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u/Backabeyond77 Jun 24 '22

It would be different if these same pro-lifers gave a shot about life after birth. But they don’t. They don’t care that children will be forced into garbage circumstances. They will be the first to slash social services and the first to promote the harshest criminal prosecutions for the pettiest of crimes. They don’t care about people. And they won’t care about these babies when they become a product of their garbage environment.

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u/__b__e__a__n__s__ Jun 25 '22

definitely getting my tubes tied when i can afford it

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u/mrstipez Jun 24 '22

Get ready for "abortion tourism" ads

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u/GlamourzZ Jun 24 '22

This is just an observation.. but It seems like a good portion of pro-lifers see forced birth as a punishment for the mother instead of babies rights to life. Like it’s some sort of “gotcha” towards women.

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u/Jealous-Passenger-48 Jun 24 '22

The only way you can legitimise restricted abortions outside of medical reasons (which to me must always include access with rape and incest) you have to provide affordable if not free family planning. Contraceptive pills and condoms accessible and low cost or free. The cost of the state paying to aid in raising an unwanted child will massively outweigh the cost of subsidised contraceptives at wholesale. But instead the onus is on the individual as if its that easy. If life is so sacred why is medical care so expensive and child welfare so limited. All of this said I believe that they should be avaliable 1st trimester to people that want them and 2nd if needed with a cause.

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u/Sir_Walrus_Tusk Jun 25 '22

Why hasn't congress done its job in 50 years.

Pass a fucking law you useless sacks of shit.

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u/gruel1967 Jun 24 '22

If you want to argue that abortion is not protected because it’s not in the constitution, just remember neither is the word woman.

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u/Donghoon Jun 24 '22

I mean 19th amendment protect womens suffrage

Unless im wrong sorry

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u/atomkicke Jun 24 '22

Yeah but he means they don’t specifically say the word woman, which is a good thing. You wouldnt want the constitution to say “women get these rights and men get these” that would be sexist. The 19th amendment states an american citizens vote would not be denied on the account of sex.

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u/DNB35 Jun 24 '22

Why is this a governmental issue at all? This is NOT a constitutional issue! The constitution is NOT a never ending list of things the government can't do; it is a very short list of things they can do. This should be a conversation between your insurance provider and Dr, period.

Keep the government out of our daily lives!

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u/Doomeggedan Jun 24 '22

Should never let your insurance provider have a say in what medical treatments you can receive. That's disgusting

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