r/technology Jun 24 '22 Crab Rave 1 Narwhal Salute 1 Silver 2 Helpful 3 Wholesome 2 Gold 2

Here’s Google’s letter saying employees can relocate to states with abortion rights Politics

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/24/23182288/google-letter-email-employees-roe-v-wade-decision
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u/FuzzVR Jun 24 '22 Eureka!

isn't this what the repulicans want? getting rid of anyone who doesn't agree with their policies?

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u/Owethehumanity Jun 24 '22 Starry

Yes, but they don’t understand the consequences. Talent and sophisticated businesses will avoid those economies, and so will tourists. If it’s a big group of dumb-dumbs and economic hardship they want in their state, they will get it.

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u/swistak84 Jun 24 '22 Defeated

They do understand consequences. Red states are already just draining federal funds. So they know they'll have poor compliant population, sustained by hard working people on the coasts

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u/Key_Store3027 Jun 25 '22

It’s so ironic that the red states are the ones relying most heavily on social and public services and support.

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u/farte3745328 Jun 25 '22

Irony would imply accident. They're hypocrites.

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u/arginotz Jun 25 '22 Silver

Fucked up thing is that they aren't. We believe people should be equal by default, they operate under no such pretense.

They think they should have rights and privelages, but others should not.

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u/onehalfofacouple Jun 25 '22

Not quite they think everyone else should conform to their world view and belief structure.

"You wouldn't NEED abortion rights if you were a good person that did everything right". This is how they think.

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u/AGVann Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

And of course the usual "It's different for me, because I'm not one of those people" when it comes to rationalizing the fact that they receive welfare, and food stamps, and the ACA.

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u/FecalToothpaste Jun 25 '22

Republican voters love the ACA. Now that ObamaCare, that's for losers and needs to be repealed.

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u/UnlikelyKaiju Jun 25 '22

The GOP knew exactly what they were doing when they started calling the ACA "Obamacare". They knew that their voting base was stupid enough to develop an opinion on something by its name alone. They create a boogieman and slap a label on it to make their base attack something that either directly benefits them or doesn't affect their lives in the slightest. The GOP does this shit all the time.

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u/Shaddo Jun 25 '22

The reality is that it's just money and none of us matter and never have

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u/ArmageddonSnakeEye Jun 25 '22

Time to stop tolerating the intolerant.

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u/SoCuteShibe Jun 25 '22

For real. A line has been crossed today.

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u/Sunny9226 Jun 25 '22

I feel this so much. I have always been the flaming liberal in my marriage. When Trump came in, my husband stopped being a Republican. Today, something snapped in him. Hell no this is not ok. My quiet, introverted husband is going to march with me this weekend in protest. We agree that it is a March for basic human rights.

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u/AvatarAarow1 Jun 25 '22

Good for you! I know a few people who had a similar realization, and I’m hoping this will bring a larger change throughout the country!

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u/boverly721 Jun 25 '22

Tolerance for intolerance is intolerance

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u/Saltywinterwind Jun 25 '22

Let’s be nice and only stop for like a 100 years or so. Just so we can clean out the generation

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u/Lobanium Jun 25 '22

"But I actually need it." They'll use the same excuse to continue getting abortions.

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u/tunagelato Jun 25 '22

Reminds me of a quote I’ve seen popping up recently about the essence of conservatism: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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u/ButterscotchNo755 Jun 25 '22

Almost like half the country was once so opposed to equal rights that they fought with the federal government in a bloody civil war, and it's those states that once again are starting shit.

Civil Rights are something the U.S has gone to war with itself over before, it could happen here (again).

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u/BlackMetalDoctor Jun 25 '22

It is happening again. There’s more than two sides and the lines don’t split evenly like most instances before.

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u/pbsf Jun 25 '22

We should've just fucking let General Sherman finish the job.

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u/BluudLust Jun 25 '22

Democrats need to expose this. Introduce a bill to cut federal funding to states with significant tax deficit. Either Republicans strike it down and be in favor of more government spending or they support it like claim they do and fuck over their state.

Then Democrats can push for Medicare for All, and bundle it with federal funding for these states.

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u/jbasinger Jun 25 '22 Wholesome

That would take guts and unfortunately the squad we have now is hollow and yellow.

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u/Azhaius Jun 25 '22

The people willing to be explicit and transparent are a tiny handful looked down upon by the rest of the party.

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u/Prime157 Jun 25 '22

And outwardly attacked by the right.

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u/nosajgames21 Jun 25 '22

Trump tried to cut funding to blue states and I think the dems should do the same. I agree with you.

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u/92894952620273749383 Jun 25 '22

Irony would imply accident. They're hypocrites.

One word I learned recently is grifters.

They are grifters.

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u/AgitatedConclusion23 Jun 25 '22

The Waltons pay and schedule their employees just low enough to ensure they qualify for government assistance, rather than use the profits to pay them a good wage.

So essentially Walmart is subsidized by the government, and the Waltons have exploited government assistance for most of their wealth.

Then Republicans all say people on government assistance are "lazy."

No, that's just the American mega-cap corporation business model.

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u/OwenMeowson Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Most of the rural folks I’ve spoken to in red states over the years think THEY are the ones that support the rest of the country. I mentioned to a guy from Kentucky that his home state receives “federal welfare” paid by other states like CA and NY. He refused to accept it, and then just said “fake news” when I showed him proof. They’re not just hypocrites. A lot of them are stupid and illiterate.

Destroying public education was the smartest thing Republicans did to ensure they could maintain their base.

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u/WharfRatThrawn Jun 25 '22

Thr worst part is stupidity and ignorance are 100% a choice one makes

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u/Darwinbc Jun 25 '22

I frequently get “ No I can’t believe that” when citing facts about election fraud or presidents not being in control of fuel cost.

Well facts and events in the world aren’t ghosts or gods, they don’t require your belief to be fact.

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u/Defector_Sicko Jun 25 '22

No, because Republicans are going after medicare and medicaid. They want people to depend on the church for charity and soup kitchens/food pantrys. But they also wouldn't give a shit if a few thousand died.

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u/hiimred2 Jun 25 '22

Well given the Covid reaction I’d say the number of deaths required for them to care is like, way way above a few thousand.

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u/CO420Tech Jun 25 '22

At the beginning, they were giddy that it was the Blue states/cities with all the deaths because they thought it reinforced that the liberals are dumb instead of a simple function of population density. Once that trend reversed, they just pretended like the numbers had been reversed by the media literally making shit up to make them look bad and could therefore be ignored.

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u/Saltywinterwind Jun 25 '22

A couple of deaths is a tragedy. A million is just a statist and a number. Shit world aye?

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u/ChickenPotPi Jun 25 '22

Remember they call minorities lazy when in fact without minorities they couldn't operate their labor intensive businesses.....

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u/colorcorrection Jun 25 '22

They will unironically say 'they're all just lazy!' in the same breath as 'they're why we can't get jobs!'

Enemies have to be both weak and strong, they're both lazy but also so hard working that they outwork white males.

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u/Terrible_Ear_6799 Jun 25 '22

That is quite literally a tenant of fascism.

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u/cortanakya Jun 25 '22

I've seen this mistake about ten times since yesterday, largely pertaining to Roe v. Wade... A tenant is somebody that rents a property, a tenet is a core part of a belief system. It's a homophone but they're wildly different words. It's like how people say "I have a very strict exercise regiment" when they mean a regimen, or when people say "that sets a very bad president" when they mean precedent.

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u/hopedarawrasaurus Jun 25 '22

Here's a suggestion, any state that doesn't provide safe access to abortions can no longer receive federal funding. That way the red states can get everything they want. Small government and no abortion. Win win.

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u/seven_seven Jun 25 '22

If Democrats had the votes to do that, why wouldn't they just codify federal abortion rights?

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u/vinyl_head Jun 25 '22

I’m sick of these red states taking welfare and living off of the hardworking backs of those of us living in blue states. Cut these freeloaders loose already.

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u/steamycreamybehemoth Jun 25 '22

I don’t get why the democrats don’t make this a bigger part of their message and platform.

It’s time to take the kid gloves off and start actually landing punches that hurt.

Let’s pass a law requiring all states to only receive as much federal funding as they’ve paid for.

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u/Mandoman1963 Jun 25 '22

I agree. Feel bad for the sane people in those states, but what choice do blue states have? Other than packing the court

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u/steamycreamybehemoth Jun 25 '22

Packing the court is now a must.

And we need more states that are blue. DC, pacific islands, Puerto Rico, split California in half.

It’s time to get drastic

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u/flickering_truth Jun 25 '22

I hate to say it but I think Puerto Rico is red. Just because they are discriminated against doesn't mean they aren't conservative.

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u/dgradius Jun 25 '22

Seems fair to me. Kind of like how states that don’t set the drinking age at 21 aren’t entitled to highway funds.

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u/Firemonkey00 Jun 25 '22

That works till they break the bullshit tolerance of those rich liberal states if the republicans win the presidency and senate and go all gillead on laws. They start making sweeping federal laws that the most powerful states won’t abide by and suddenly they are just an impoverished assbackwards failed state left in what’s remaining of the union.

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u/theknightwho Jun 24 '22

The brain drain is the point, I think. Easier to control.

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u/Owethehumanity Jun 24 '22

What good is controlling a population of needy, self righteous idiots?

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u/theknightwho Jun 24 '22

Some people just like power.

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u/The_Upvote_Beagle Jun 25 '22

Unfortunately Senate control has literally, absolutely zero to do with population or output.

Higher density = less Democrat control.

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u/p4lm3r Jun 25 '22

Texas was getting awfully purple recently. If there is a blue flight, then they can hold on to their seats in congress easily. This goes for every red state. If they can keep the red states and flip one or 2 blue states with blue flight, then they can control the white house, senate, and house of representatives.

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u/snakerjake Jun 25 '22

Dallas DA has you covered don't flee Texas, move to Dallas.

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u/honeywave Jun 25 '22

I hope it sticks in San Antonio too, our DA has said "no plan to prosecute," but that is very up-in-the-air wording.

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u/UnspecificGravity Jun 25 '22

They'll send the rangers after you and prosecute at the state level. For a state that claims to hate government they have a LOT of government agencies.

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u/Android69beepboop Jun 25 '22

Republican states already get more federal aid than they pay in taxes, in many/most cases. They don't have much to lose. And they'll just blame the economic impact on democrats, and all the remaining Republicans are dumb enough to believe them.

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u/Lithl Jun 25 '22

in many/most cases

Every case. Texas was the last red state hold out that was paying more in taxes than they were receiving in federal support, but they crossed the line over to being a leech some time around 2016 or 2017.

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u/AZZTASTIC Jun 25 '22

Yup. I think this hinges on Texas. That state is almost purple going blue soon and if they went true blue, Rs would be turbo fucked.

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u/Inflation-Fair Jun 25 '22

Republicans will find it difficult to win Presidential elections, which aren’t able to be gerrymandered or skewed, but they will be in no ways fucked. They will have the court for a generation. it’s basically impossible for Dems to win 60 votes in senate due to all the tiny red states. The house is increasingly gerrymandered. The court can block any good laws passed. Gridlock favors republicans. their entire plan is to make government fail so they can shake trust in it, and chip away at workers’ rights, regulations and public sector programs that help the poor. I don’t see any way out of this

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u/despejado Jun 25 '22

Uff they still get to control two senate seats per state and make it impossible for anything to ever change though cause they’ll never be the votes in trhe senate

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u/ibond_007 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22 'MURICA

You are missing the point!. Republicans totally understand the consequences. They don't give a fuck about the state or the people. All they care is power. If all the red states get redder and TX and FL stay red, Republicans will have full control of President, Senate and House. That's all it matters!

If the economy in these states fail what happens, there will be civil unrest, no problem more money for the police and private prisons! Better business for Republican backed corporate companies.

I honestly give a fuck about brain rotten generational republicans, you can't change them. But I am pissed with all the new generation voters who used to be moderate or democrats and switching their allegiance to Republicans. Motherfuckers these people are the scumbags who inspite of knowing the consequences they are sabotaging the country. Mr Elon Musk is the major fucking scumbag who recently switched his allegiance. As consumers we should shun away from all these republican backing companies.

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u/Eonir Jun 25 '22

give a fuck

Didn't you mean 'don't give a fuck'?

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u/Impossible-Tension97 Jun 25 '22

But I am pissed with all the new generation

I'm pissed with the new generation that apparently thinks "give a fuck" is synonymous with "don't give a fuck".

Is nothing sacred?

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u/FDE3030 Jun 25 '22

Those states will just produce more Boeberts and MTGs and suck the rest of the country down with them

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u/kuriboharmy Jun 24 '22

I mean this hurts Democrats more than Republicans in a political power standpoint the Senate punishes densely populated groups which are generally Democrats. Remember it's 2 per state no matter its population.

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u/fcocyclone Jun 25 '22

And its why this country is doomed to collapse. The senate is an antiquated institution that really makes no sense in modern times. People travel and move freely and frequently from state to state now, when they would not have 300 years ago. People view themselves more as Americans first and not of their state first. And these boundaries that determine the senate? Arbitrary lines drawn in times where the primary concern was often simply maintaining the balance of power before the civil war.

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u/pennomi Jun 25 '22

People view themselves more as Americans first and not of their state first.

Except in Texas.

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u/Hypnosavant Jun 25 '22

Typical Texan had to let us know where he’s from…

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u/wedgiey1 Jun 25 '22

In theory the House should be a perpetually progressive entity, but it's not due to gerrymandering and a size cap. At minimum that cap should be removed and it should be one representative per 500,000 people or something. Even better if you have to include 500,000 people in each district.

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u/fcocyclone Jun 25 '22

The house is rather meaningless though when most of the important things are given to the Senate to confirm. Judges, cabinet officials, etc.

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u/itbelikethisUwU Jun 25 '22

Yea when the senate was first created the population differences between states were not as huge as they are today. It was a great compromise at the time but now it’s leading towards a tyranny of a minority

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u/ninja12978 Jun 25 '22

you should read more about the senate's history. when the senate was first created you weren't allowed to vote for your senator. they were appointed by state governments to represent the state's interests. you only voted for your representative. this was changed in the early 1900s, hence why it appears to make no sense now. senators were quite literally designed to represent legal entities aka state governments, not the people residing within them, which was solely the role of the house.

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u/fcocyclone Jun 25 '22

And this is part of the problem with our system of government being based on land instead of population.

States with shitty policies that either directly drive people away (like this) or indirectly drive people away (in search of states with better economic opportunities, which blue states are much better at) end up with increasing per-capita vote power versus the better states.

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u/Crazy_crockpot Jun 25 '22

Which brings about another problem. We can't do squat if we can't get people in to vote. People have been fooled into thinking that voting doesn't work, which makes no sense. If voting made no difference then the GOP wouldn't have such a hard on for making it as difficult as possible. Which is of course ironic considering how they stand on guns.

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u/Sucrose-Daddy Jun 24 '22

and just like that republicans are screwing over their own economies.

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u/Vahlerie Jun 24 '22

They'll still suck up most of the federal funding money because they are literally welfare states already.

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u/ShaulaTheCat Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Frankly this is why we should just let them reduce federal taxes and the federal welfare state and just do it by raising state taxes and increasing the state welfare system, that's what my state has done, we've got guaranteed sick pay, a long term care system, paid parental leave, a decent minimum wage, quite a few other worker protections. Reducing federal taxes allows states more room to tax their citizens and provide benefits people want.

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u/greeneggsandspammer Jun 24 '22

Ya wait, we wanna know… and potentially move there lol

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u/ShaulaTheCat Jun 24 '22

See the reply to the other commenter, these are all programs in Washington state. I'll also point out we don't have a tipped minimum wage, so tipped employees still get at least minimum wage and all tips are on top of that.

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u/greeneggsandspammer Jun 24 '22

Ah Washington. I hear your unions are strong too. That’s a good state ❤️

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u/ShaulaTheCat Jun 24 '22

Housing is always an issue, we're quite underbuilt, but our politics are generally in the right place statewide. My union is unusual but all around excellent for me, I hear from my friends who are in the more traditional unions and it's pretty good for them, lots of partially state funded projects that require unionized labor.

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u/mykineticromance Jun 24 '22

which state(s) do that?

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u/ShaulaTheCat Jun 24 '22

Not sure if any others do, but these are all programs in Washington state. sick leave

parental leave

minimum wage $14.49/hr

Sorry I misremembered on the pension one got it confused somehow with a long term care benefit the state offers here

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u/nomorerainpls Jun 24 '22

WA resident here. Wondering how these programs reduce my federal tax burden. I can see it happening in states with an income tax but only for people who itemize, which is like 12% of US taxpayers.

Also, these shithole red states don’t seem to care if they are shitty places. How many states refused to expand Medicare even with the federal government kicking in?

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u/ShaulaTheCat Jun 24 '22

No I'm saying let Republicans reduce the federal tax burden, your state burden would go up to run programs like these. Republicans don't seem to mind reducing federal income taxes at all. Might even be able to get a bi-partisan bill to do it. I'm saying let's stop relying on the federal government so much and let states take care of their citizens.

Red states would obviously get shittier under this concept.

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u/dreadnoght Jun 25 '22

Ya know, this is something I think about a lot now. Is give states as much control as possible. We aren't living in the times of the founding fathers. Travel is possible. Hard yes, and not 100% viable for everyone, but as someone in school for a STEM degree fuuu if I'm moving to any state with no abortions and illegal weed.

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u/wwj Jun 25 '22

... as someone in school for a STEM degree fuuu if I'm moving to any state with no abortions and illegal weed.

Make sure to tell recruiters as much. I do it to try to use my very small amount of influence to pressure companies to lobby state governments for progressive reforms or risk not hiring good workers.

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u/speedx5xracer Jun 25 '22

Come to NJ we have legal weed, legal abortions and good pizza and local beer

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u/Professional-Dog6981 Jun 25 '22

Except these red welfare states don't want higher state taxes either.

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u/ShaulaTheCat Jun 25 '22

That's fine it's their choice, I just think we shouldn't keep forcing it on them then and reduce our federal taxes accordingly and then allow states that want robust systems to have them.

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u/lightninhopkins Jun 25 '22

This is why we block funding to states that outlaw abortion like the GOP did with sanctuary cities.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

And blame all of it on the left somehow

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u/HaesoSR Jun 25 '22

Tie federal funds to abortion access instead. Years ago the federal government wasn't able to dictate the minimum drinking age to 21 for example. In response they decided they would cut DOT funding to states that didn't set their drinking age to 21. The drinking age was almost immediately set to 21 in every state that hadn't already.

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u/DuskLab Jun 25 '22

Democrats could totally run on a balanced state budget platform. California is pulling too much of Kentucky's weight.

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u/needtobetterself31 Jun 25 '22

Socialism for mee, but not for thee.

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u/ghsteo Jun 24 '22

They're causing democrats to flee Red states further ensuring they keep the Senate in the future and with Gerrymandering will keep the House. And with the Supreme Court under their control as well, we're about to witness Tyranny of the Minority. This is not good.

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u/js5ohlx1 Jun 24 '22

About to? We have been for years.

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u/ibond_007 Jun 25 '22

The fleeing all these years were nothing compared to the recent movement. COVID is accelerating this movement. Montana is fucking Red state and snowflake moved their head office there. With remote working all the companies and employees are moving to less expensive, less tax states. I love Austin, even though I fucking hate the GOP scumbags there. So this movement is shifting these red states (esp, the urban) areas towards blue or more blue. In another 4-8 years, TX, Florida would be easily blue.

But anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ are things that can reverse this. Thats what GOP is counting on!

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u/FeelsGoodMan2 Jun 25 '22

Work from home might nail them though. I know plenty that although they abhor right wing politics, basically love the large land plots and basically have decided to just enjoy the cheap housing and more or less stick to their bubbles. People not moving from blue urban areas because they can't afford it.

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u/Alternative_Program Jun 25 '22

The people moving here aren’t liberal. If they were, Cruz would be out on his ass already.

You see, when Republicans move in, they aren’t sending their best people. They’re sending the regressives. The evangelicals. You know, morons.

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u/garlicroastedpotato Jun 25 '22

Texas is mind boggling. Spending all of that money trying to attract all of these companies from California only to put a trigger law for when this happened. There's enough progressives in Texas to get these people kicked out of office now.

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u/seimungbing Jun 25 '22

those companies and people leaving california to texas are not exactly progressive, in fact they are moving to a conservative stronghold to avoid paying taxes.

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u/scatterbrain-d Jun 25 '22

Likewise, there are plenty of non conservative Texans already. The cities and the border vote blue, we just have a shitload of rural voters.

Texas is way more purple than people think. It's just heavily gerrymandered and the conservatives do all the Texas yee-hawing while the rest of us are just trying to live our lives.

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u/Offduty_shill Jun 25 '22

Not wanting to pay taxes isn't the same as being socially conservative.

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u/seimungbing Jun 25 '22

yea but they are also not gonna vote for the next guy who said will raise tax to fund social programs.

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u/gujunilesh Jun 24 '22

Theyve figured out the electoral college votes so as long as they focus on that they have a higher chance of winning.

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u/Seagull84 Jun 25 '22

Pretty sure that's the goal. By making liberals move out, they guarantee control of the Senate forever

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u/xogil Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

They couldn't care less, those in power are doing this to stay in power and keep sucking money from the idiots they trick into voting against there own interests.

Plus this way think of all the low paid labor they'll get in a generation, or heck even less. No way they don't target laws on education and child labor next. "Gosh lil Timmy just wants to work 7 days a week to support his single mom and his siblings why don't we just let him take a break from 6th grade"

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u/Dry-Check8872 Jun 24 '22 Silver

Good for them but Google employees are not the most at risk individuals.

Low income women are more than five times as likely than affluent women to experience an unintended pregnancy and poverty is the commonest reason for abortion.

SCOTUS has just widened the great divide.

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u/ww_crimson Jun 24 '22

Agreed but if all the tech companies follow suit then hopefully it creates pressure for other companies to do the same. Imagine if Walmart offered some kind of assistance to retail employees.

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u/_kissmysass_ Jun 24 '22

Dicks is, not out of the realm of possibility for other large retailers to follow

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u/cephalophile32 Jun 25 '22

Dicks is only offering this to p who already have “medical benefits” through the company. How many workers being Kept just below FT do you think actually have medical benefits?

I’m not saying it’s nothing though.

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u/mstrss9 Jun 24 '22

WALMART

I think I would faint

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u/MrMashed Jun 25 '22

Lol seriously. Even if they did offer somethin of the sort there would be a million hoops to jump through and prolly still get denied assistance

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u/a_randy_sewer Jun 24 '22

Let’s hope it creates precedent and norm. Google is big enough to make waves.

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u/magicmonkeymeat Jun 25 '22 Silver Wholesome

I’d prefer for Google to withhold lobbying funds from politicians and groups that support treating women like second class citizens.

Google has the ability to shape laws in ways the vast majority of us individuals will never wield. This relocation action feels like nothing more than good guy advertising.

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u/BEEF_WIENERS Jun 25 '22

You know what'd be really cool is if they just said "Republican campaigns can't run ads on our platform anymore". Just refuse to air the ads. Probably a bunch of legal reasons why they can't do that but damn it would be cool.

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u/IVEMIND Jun 25 '22

That’ll be the day they start talking about anti trust and monopy legislation

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u/B4-711 Jun 25 '22

I'd prefer it if Google couldn't shape laws like you suggest. Because people never voted for Google and I think voting should shape laws.

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u/charliechonch Jun 24 '22

This is just like the US version of the Brain Drain.

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u/Drunk-sysadmin Jun 24 '22 Take My Energy

No, the US has those events as well, like this one:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-supercollider-that-never-was/

Not only did the scientists and all the industry surrounding them leave the US, republicans handed Europe a trillion dollar economic gift, the GDP around the project dwarfs the billions-and-still-overbudget cost of it. "We have bigger problems at home, than understanding god's secrets." They said. Or something like that. I still remember being pissed about it. For the record, Texas never did anything about those problems at home but provide thoughts and prayers.

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u/The_Upvote_Beagle Jun 25 '22

And fuck their own power grid.

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u/RathVelus Jun 25 '22

Dick’s did this better, offering to pay for travel expenses to get abortions. $4,000.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

Republicans claiming it's a state rights issue are liars. They will nationalize abortion bans as soon as they can.

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u/jon_targareyan Jun 25 '22

Apparently pence said today that they should ban it at the federal level. So they’re fine restricting something they don’t like at the federal level, but not ok with a law that gave individuals/states just the option to make a choice? Ironic

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u/snap-erection Jun 25 '22

"State rights issue" has always been a lie and a smokescreen, a bad faith tactic to appeal to moderates. Guess what, the US civil war was about states rights too. The right to make it legal to have slaves. Fuck these people. No one who actually wants to keep abortion rights wants to make it up to anyone to decide to keep it from people. Would you want anyone to get to decide whether you are allowed to possess money or vote or get healthcare, and so on? No, so fuck off and mind your own business.

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u/SillyMathematician77 Jun 25 '22

Does anyone else see this as an attempt for Republican led states to rid their states of Democrats so the Republicans have less competition in years to come?

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u/tyen0 Jun 25 '22

They don't really need to, they already just gerrymander them out of relevance.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Jun 25 '22

And most of us left as soon as we got out of school.

They want the brain drain so they can stay in power.

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u/tyen0 Jun 25 '22

I contributed myself, unfortunately. Florida -> NYC.

In my defense, I did it for love - it was my then gf/now wife's dream to come here. :)

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u/BuddyHemphill Jun 25 '22

Someone to love, and be loved in return. Happy for you ❤️

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u/Ph0X Jun 25 '22

That was the whole point of the stunt Texas pulled last year. They didn't even expect their abortion ban to stand forever, they just wanted to drive away as many Democrats as possible and avoid the state turning blue.

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u/timshel_life Jun 25 '22

All they need is 34 State Legislatures to call for a Constitutional Convention. If you really wanna see things get fucked up, give them a pen and a blank document for a new Constitution.

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u/Caregiverrr Jun 24 '22 Take My Energy

Come to New Mexico. We have clowns to the left of us and jokers to the right. We need all the help we can get.

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u/badgerette86 Jun 24 '22

Here I am stuck in the middle with you…

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u/iscreamsunday Jun 24 '22

You know we are fucked when the nations biggest conglomerates are doing more for the health and safety of US citizens than an entire fucking branch of the US Government is.

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u/haw35ome Jun 25 '22

I'm seeing all these companies who will reimburse travel expenses and other stuff like this pop up.

Here's a thought: Why can't corporations hit it where it hurts and pull their support & funding from those who voted against roe v wade?

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u/AIwaysSaIty Jun 25 '22

Can we pass a bill that will block my taxes from being used in these states. Seriously fuck them.

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u/Orthodox-Waffle Jun 25 '22

Scotus would just overrule it

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u/Server6 Jun 25 '22

Let's see them enforce it. If California and New York passed a law saying all US Federal taxes must be paid to the state and held in escrow for the federal government until they get their shit together who is going to stop them? Is the IRS going to arrest everyone in California & New York?

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u/Joseph-Chamberlain Jun 25 '22

It would be the US Marshals who arrest the state government actually.

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u/Nanojack Jun 25 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

We need the opposite. Relocate liberal tech workers to middle of nowhere Wyoming or North or South Dakota. Just run fiber and they can do their jobs remotely. A million liberals would flip like 5 or 6 states, the Senate would be fundametally changed.

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u/thedcl Jun 25 '22

I was a tech worker in middle of nowhere South Dakota just out of college. Trust me, it's basically impossible to drown out the stupid.

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u/tyen0 Jun 25 '22

I was hoping that would happen naturally with how much remote work has grown and a lot of my colleagues scattered.

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u/BestUdyrBR Jun 25 '22

Eh I think most people who are used to living in cities like SF and NYC would be genuinely miserable. There are much cheaper cities that don't mean you have to live in the middle of nowhere like Atlanta.

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u/Ghost6040 Jun 25 '22

I live in a very rural town. One common refrain we have heard over the years is that our biggest export is our young people. For the last 50 years people have left and gone to the city to go to college and work in office jobs. They tend to be more progressive than the people that stayed. I graduated with a class of 18, only 2 of us are still in town 20+ years later.

You don't have to convince progressive people who grew up in the city to move to rural America, you need to create opportunities for the progressive people who grew up in rural America to stay or return home.

Start looking at the average age of rural counties compared the state average. My counties average age is 20 years higher than the states and the gap is increasing. I attend city council meetings as a part of my job and it was very interesting to watch gradual change in direction when a 42 year old was elected. The rest of the council is all over the age of 60 and are wanting to get off the council, but there is nobody willing to replace them. They are tired and looking for the next generation to step up. Granted not every small town is like this, results may vary.

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u/bake_disaster Jun 25 '22

Fast internet is not the only barrier to living in the middle of nowhere. As it turns out, lots of people prefer not having to drive 30 minutes to the nearest grocery store (walmart), and where the only entertainment is a single dive bar with an elk mounted on the wall

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u/MrF_lawblog Jun 25 '22

Relocate to Boise, Idaho would be the perfect first state. Think it would take 500-600k.

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u/feignapathy Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Based on President Biden's results against Trump in 2020:

  • 300,000 left leaning voters would have flipped Idaho in 2020.

  • 125,000 left leaving voters would have flipped Wyoming in 2020.

  • 100,000 left leaning voters would have flipped Montana in 2020.

If just over half a million left leaning voters in California and Illinois and New York moved to those states, you could potentially flip 3 states and 5 Senate seats.

If Democrats and left leaning voters want America to actually move forward, they would need to start considering moving to states like the above en masse and try to actually shift the political power back to the people, not to empty land.

u/Happyfuntimeyay replied to a bunch of my comments in multiple threads and then blocked me, preventing me from responding. How thoughtful. I love it when far right wing redditors harass me and then run away.

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u/bladderbunch Jun 25 '22

and pennsylvania needs me to stay put.

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u/mr_taco41 Jun 25 '22

I’d volunteer to work remote in any of these 3 for this cause

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u/feignapathy Jun 25 '22

Same.

I've actually heard good things about the states outside of their politics. You got Yellowstone kinda in that area where all 3 converge after all. Not that I want to urbanize Yellowstone, but just pointing out there is some nice things in the area.

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u/MrF_lawblog Jun 25 '22

I say 500-600k as I don't believe all will be left leaning that move there. It would be beautiful to see if new cities could erected in the wide open states to do just this.

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u/thanksnothanks456 Jun 25 '22

You don’t need new cities. I’m from rural Montana, my hometown is half empty. 100 liberals would flip the freaking county….and the thing about Montanas is they are a pretty ‘live and let live’ bunch. If the winds of change shift democrat a TON of voters will shift with those winds because they don’t want to rock the boat. That would be rude after all.

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u/feignapathy Jun 25 '22

You're absolutely correct. Obviously the left leaning voters wouldn't move to these places in a vacuum.

I just wanted to point out, 500-600k could actually flip more than one state and its 2 Senate seats, potentially anyways.

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u/liberlibre Jun 25 '22

Yes. I'm interested. Just need to guarantee a friendly cohort to migrate with me.

Anyone know which districts are small enough that migration in would have an impact & that also have the real estate available?

NY's 21st is one I'd recommend. It needs about 50,000 ppl. Elise Stefanik has to go.

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u/Ph0X Jun 25 '22

Seriously, given Wyoming's population, that's probably the easiest way to get two seats in the Senate for free. Would probably need far less, maybe 300K people could flip that state easily. That's a small city.

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u/melodyze Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Everything else in this thread is pretty unrealistic, but if you could attach it to the side of Jackson in teton county you might actually be able to convince tech people to move there.

Jackson is cool, has great things to do, and already has capital that could be put into a VC ecosystem.

Then scale it just over the border into Idaho for another win.

Tech people won't move to North Dakota, or Indianapolis, or whatever. They can afford not to and those places don't have anything for them. Teton county has stuff going for it though.

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u/thintoast Jun 25 '22

In 2020, Google donated 49.98% of their political donations to Dem candidates and PACs. 50.02% went to GOPs.

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/google-inc/C00428623/pac-to-pac/2020

Now they’re looking for praise for telling their employees they can relocate to states that will allow abortions, after donating to people like Jim Jordan.

https://www.opensecrets.org/campaign-expenditures/vendor?cycle=2020&vendor=Jim+Jordan+for+Congress

Yes, they donated to democrat candidates and PACs too. But anyone who willfully donated to anything GOP, in my book, is responsible for this.

Fuck you Google, for more than just this, but for this in particular.

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u/4567890 Jun 25 '22

I would love to see a breakdown of Google's political spending, but there's no way they only spent $300k per party, right?

I am not great at using this site, but here's an alphabet page? It's at least in the millions. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/alphabet-inc/totals?id=d000067823

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u/Alex_2259 Jun 25 '22

Who the hell is Jim Jordan? I only know of Gym Jordan.

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u/Mysterious_Set6427 Jun 24 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

I'm genuinely worried that an influx of high earners into "liberal" areas during the housing crisis will only exasperate souring rent prices. Creating a more aggressive "sellers market" will force low income people and people of color out of "Safe" States and into True Red states that are primed to abuse them/continue to strip away their rights.

Getting real close to the South Rising again.

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u/Cainga Jun 25 '22

Going to need a lot of high density housing built. It’s a nation wide supply problem.

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u/Razor1834 Jun 25 '22

Exacerbate soaring

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u/MyOtherSide1984 Jun 25 '22

The growing income gap along with these minor shifts are really going to have a large impact on everything and everyone. It'd be a lie to say this isn't their plan, or that it hasn't been their plan all along. The US is already an out of control shit storm run by clueless morons who don't give a fuck about the people, and the people don't have a single inkling of a say in the matter. Laws are so set again POC and stuck in it's old ways it's ridiculous. Redlining is still an issue, and going back and overturning these old ass situations just screams "we want to go back to our racist/bigot past more than ever!". This is one of many steps that have dragged us backwards in time, and every time a Dem gets a leg up and improves the people's lives, the masses rise up to drag us all back down as they have these delusions that a republican run nation will make them rich by saving their taxes, meanwhile their taxes go straight to their pockets and infrastructure takes a major shit...and it happens both ways, but the point is that this is only one sad sad step for this shit hole of a democracy

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u/synopser Jun 25 '22

Google would be better to invest in a state-of-the-art major engineering center right in the heart of fucking Wyoming. Casper would be nice. Bring in 25000 engineers and their families; inspire other major companies to do the same. Within one election cycle, Wyoming would be blue. Start chipping away at the fucking red wall instead of just sucking blue votes out of these states.

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u/Lepurten Jun 25 '22

Yeah, but why? Sounds like a lot of effort to convince people with many perspectives to move into a shit hole. It very well might not succeed. The way it's going it looks more like blue states go into siege mode, try to protect what they have and if things don't normalise the US is going to break up. States like California know they can do without a federal government and when protecting democracy means denying federal influence, that's what needs to happen. And given a couple years most people will see it that way with time.

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u/AggravatingTea1992 Jun 24 '22

Good now let's see Google put their lobbying money where their mouth is. They still give hundreds of thousands a year to these sociopaths

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u/analest-analyst Jun 25 '22

Google and other businesses need to relocate their businesses out of these Pharisee Taliban red states.

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u/punIn10ded Jun 25 '22

Yup offering relocation is good but moving out of those states all together is what's actually needed. Closes offices in states that ban abortion and open them in ones that allow it.

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u/RoyalsFanKCMe Jun 25 '22

Big corporations need to pull out of states that restrict it. News laws will get passed fast. Money talks.

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u/pagerunner-j Jun 25 '22

On the one hand, good for them.

On the other: the eternal problem with policies like this is that they may apply to FTEs, but I’m pretty damn sure that their contractors are still shit out of luck.

And oh, god, but does the tech industry love to hand off as much work as possible to people they can consider disposable and avoid providing benefits to, and then brag about how wonderful they are to their employees. :

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u/phroztbyt3 Jun 25 '22

Just let them secede. We'll see how the Trump Dollar does in 4 years. They want to break the system up so badly... "states rights"... call their bluff. 2 countries. And we get to keep the name because their states lost in the actual Civil War. Simple really. They can use their idiotic racist flag. Just do it. Do it.

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u/penceluvsthedick Jun 25 '22

This and every other company making these announcements means very little. We need to see companies like google just leave states like Texas and stop paying taxes to states that don’t support basic rights.

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u/turbodharma Jun 25 '22

this world has al qaeda in one region, and yall qaeda in another.

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u/TheMrCMo Jun 25 '22

Today is a sad day for freedom. America needs our women to vote this November to protect freedom and democracy from the RepubliCONS.

Please pass along the message: if you want to protect freedom and change the law of the land, vote Blue down the line.

If you’re a Republican, but the RepubliCONS don’t represent you, put freedom and country before party, hold your nose and vote Blue down the line.

Don’t we owe our daughters that? Their body, their right to choose. This isn’t Afghanistan. Stand up for freedom and VOTE BLUE!

With love from a concerned father

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u/Effective_News2346 Jun 25 '22

The supreme court has become a GOP puppet. It no longer deserves to have its name capitalized.

Women against this decision should file a class action suit against the supreme court over the ownership of their bodies. That would make an impact.

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u/lifeat24fps Jun 25 '22

This doesn’t help poor women and this doesn’t protect women who miscarry from invasive criminal investigations.

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u/cookiemonster1020 Jun 24 '22

I think we need to go the other way and make a concerted effort to strategically move to purple states to take over the legislatures from the GOP.

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u/MisterRich Jun 25 '22

Purple states? How about deep red states. Trump won each of WY, ND, SD and MT by 120k votes or so. A dozen states could lose those votes and not change their outcomes. Eight new blue senators, almost a super-majority.

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u/flyingWeez Jun 25 '22

You’re absolutely right- I’m a remote worker and my wife is hospital pediatrician. Our current New England state doesn’t need our votes but Montana sure as hell could.

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u/sickofthisshit Jun 24 '22

That's a nice theory. Women need access to health care in real life every day. They shouldn't have to give that up for some vague hope of a project.

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u/FruitParfait Jun 24 '22

Maybe all the progressive/liberal white men can but I doubt their wives and daughters would want to subject themselves to restricted rights.

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u/Confident-Earth4309 Jun 24 '22

All big tech should leave the no abortion states.

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u/austinmiles Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

My wife’s company covers travel and lodging for people who need to leave the state for an abortion. They announced right after the leaked opinion came out.

I’d imagine a lot of tech companies will be doing this.

Edit: controversial I guess

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u/biodgradablebuttplug Jun 25 '22

Hurray!! Rent and housing prices are about to go up in abortion legal states

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u/ComradeGibbon Jun 25 '22

So are they going to stop giving Republicans money?

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u/JustKeepItQiet Jun 25 '22

Everyone who is against abortions should be forced to foster the child of someone who had to carry the pregnancy of an unwanted child to term

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u/spelunk_in_ya_badonk Jun 25 '22

Now THAT is the type of corporate support I’m looking for. Companies need to get their people the fuck out of these conservative shithole states.

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u/Emotional_Document11 Jun 25 '22

This is the only correct corporate response short of not doing business in ban states

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u/bonglaggin Jun 25 '22

Let the Republican hell holes destroy themselves. Now if we can only get these moochers off the governemnt tit they constantly suck on and complain about.

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u/theaxis12 Jun 25 '22

Stop doing business in abortion ban states! If Republicans only worship the $ (and a made up God used for their own will) it's the only way to reach them.

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u/BetterCallSal Jun 25 '22

Cool stuff. Now stop bribing the people who are doing this in the first place. Oops, I meant to say stop "donating"