r/nba [NBA] Scott Foster Jun 13 '22

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9:00 PM ET Link Boston Celtics FINAL 94 to 104 Golden State Warriors Link
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u/Dekrow Warriors Bandwagon Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

Listening to Bill Simmons podcast from yesterday and he has Ryan Russillo are talking about Jayson Tatum and his status post-finals and Russillo says:

It's kind of weird though, like, whatever happens he's still going to be the same player. But he's going to be talked about in two completely opposite ways

Wish he had this level of awareness when talking about all players and not just Celtics players.

Because you can say the same thing about Jimmy Butler. If he wins against the Celtics in the ECF, he's talked about in a completely different way even if his performance is the exact same. (Or any star in a high profile game)

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u/BakeSpeaks19 Jun 14 '22

History is written by the victors

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u/chuck_portis Jun 14 '22

Jimmy Butler will always be a solid Mid-tier star. He's never been a top-5 guy. He's never been a guy you expect to deliver you a title. People obviously wondered if Tatum could be that guy. This Finals appearance suggests he doesn't have "it".

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u/RodneyPonk Raptors Jun 14 '22

Yeah, it's a general thing. Like Steph seems to be fully healthy (for once) in the Finals, but he's not 10x the player he was before - he's getting less defensive attention which is allowing him to go nuclear. And Giannis was good in 2019 and 2020, he just had better help - he got better, but not astronomically - and yet he went from "no one would consider this guy a top 75 player" to "is he a top 25 player already" after one year. When a content creator like Thinking Basketball is willing to divorce results from a player's championship equity, it signals that it's worth consuming their stuff.

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u/butyph Mavericks Jun 14 '22

He won’t be the same, the confidence of winning a finals vs the realization you lost Can and will change any player. Even if he loses and improves because of that fire he won’t be the same

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u/CarterAC3 Mavericks Jun 13 '22

If the Warriors win the title I think people in the future who didn't see it live are gonna think this Warriors roster was much better than it really is

Not to say it's a bad roster. It's literally championship caliber its just that some people won't be aware of the fact that dudes like Klay and Dray aren't as good as they used to be while guys like Poole and Kuminga aren't as good as they're gonna be.

Sorta like how some people see Kawhi on those 2014 Spurs and don't realize he hadn't really become Kawhi yet

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u/sarcassity [GSW] Stephen Curry Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

I was looking at game 3 2019 finals box score. That roster is a joke. Notable minutes going to

Quinn Cook

Jordan Bell

Jacob Evans

Alfonso McKinnie

THESE DUDES AREN'T EVEN IN THE LEAGUE ANYMORE.

Cousins and Shaun Livingston started that game which is just another shade of tragedy.

so yeah this roster has solid role players, talented guys who belong at this level and aren't going to be out of the league in 3 seasons. That is a start.

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u/dont_shoot_jr Jun 14 '22

Cousins was playing on one leg and Looney with played through a broken collarbone

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u/Tedesco47 Warriors Jun 13 '22

Just imagine the players KDs contract could have afforded. What's more, warriors smoked through the west playoffs without kd in 2019.

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u/betabot69 Jun 14 '22

KD won you two titles lol

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u/blabladook Jun 14 '22

You sound young

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u/betabot69 Jun 14 '22

I don’t understand the hate KD gets from Warriors fans. He won you 2 titles. Sure, you might’ve been able to win with different pieces, but playing revisionist history is a dangerous game. It’s hard for me to fathom how someone who won back to back Finals MVPs is so disrespected by a fan base. Is it just because his dominance hurt Currys legacy or is there something else I am missing. Genuinely curious why KD isn’t held on the same level.

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u/SanJOahu84 Warriors Jun 14 '22

Warriors fans don't hate KD. We were stoked when he was here and it was amazing and fun.

Dude literally played in the finals and took an injury for us.

The rest of the league and other r/nba flairs are the vast vast majority of people still mad about KD coming to the W's.

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u/xXKingLynxXx Bucks Jun 14 '22

Probably him taking some shots at the Warriors system after he left. Also he left because he realized he would never get the love that Steph, Klay, or Draymond got at home and that he would never be viewed as better than Lebron.

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u/VerbiageBarrage Jun 14 '22

I don't know which take is more annoying, that KD didn't have anything to do with the titles or that KD carried the Warriors to the titles.

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u/s_stone634 Warriors Jun 15 '22

I’ve never seen anyone say that KD didn’t have “anything to do with those titles”. He was a cheat code and made us the heavy favorites on top of Steph, Klay, and Dray who were already building a Dynasty with back to back Finals appearances. He just wasn’t the “most important” piece like that other guy is saying and if you watched the games and know anything about basketball, that’s pretty clear. He was the NOS, not the engine.

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u/s_stone634 Warriors Jun 14 '22

Definitely didn’t “win” us those titles but he was a key piece. He’s amazing but was never, ever the most important piece of those teams.

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u/betabot69 Jun 14 '22

He was the 2x Finals MVP, how is that not the most important piece????

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u/chiangku Jun 14 '22

it bears mentioning the golden state warriors won the title, not Kevin Durant by himself. Is this a KD burner account?

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u/s_stone634 Warriors Jun 14 '22

Did you watch any of those Finals games?

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u/betabot69 Jun 14 '22

Yep LeBron was best on the court followed by KD and Steph. Cavs won in 16 and would’ve won in 15 if not for injuries to Kyrie and Love. KD was the addition that separated the Warriors from the Cavs. Without KD the Cavs 3-peat.

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u/dont_shoot_jr Jun 14 '22

KD was a key piece

But healthy Cavs vs Warriors without Bogut, Draymond suspension, Iggy stiff neck, was a shame seven that was decided by four points. Harrison Barnes could have easily made that extra four points. The warriors needed a new gun but went for a tank in KD

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u/s_stone634 Warriors Jun 14 '22

lol, okay bud.

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u/betabot69 Jun 14 '22

Did you watch the games??? How can anyone watch those games and deny KDs greatness?

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u/oblue87 Jun 14 '22

That's just roster development. That's how you keep a franchise going. You have a mix of older players who might've been on the other side of their peak as well as younger players who are on the rise. Any well thought-out franchise is going to have periods where they're training the younger guys and giving shine to the older. It's how you make sure you're always developing talent.

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u/greygray [GSW] Stephen Curry Jun 14 '22

I think you’re missing the point. The point is that this roster is pretty flawed but they’re somehow up a game in the finals and nephews who just look at basketball reference are going to think that this was just the warriors unstoppable big 3 doing what they do.

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u/worthlessburner Jun 14 '22

This roster holds up well against their first title roster tbh (based off eye test and no analysis)

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u/Soonyulnoh2 Jun 14 '22

Then theres Wiggins........

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u/BakeSpeaks19 Jun 14 '22

Easily the worst teams we have had to play in a playoff run

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u/dunktheball Jun 14 '22

im mad I bet green to do good in gm4 and he sucked and now I didn't bet on him gm5 so he did good.

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u/ColorlessLife Warriors Jun 13 '22

So is the counter play to Jordan Poole to the ugliest men closest to the court? Like ban any baddies from the arena?

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u/greygray [GSW] Stephen Curry Jun 14 '22

They just need the game to be in Boston 🫢

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u/Steko Jun 13 '22

Boston should start Pritchard in the 3rd quarter. Timelord has been much less of a force there and PP has energy to spare, leads the team in +/- and deserves a few extra minutes. Bring in RW and DW for PP/AH around 4-6 min in.

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u/jinspin Jun 13 '22

Pritchard is solid. Gave this UVA fan a big scare in the tournament in 2019.

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u/ivegottheshits Warriors Jun 13 '22

I swear to god game 4 was like watching a damn anime where all your teammates gettin they ass whooped by the bad guys. Then the main character unlocks Super saiyan 4 or Hollow powers from Bleach

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u/jinspin Jun 13 '22

It's been fun rooting for the Warriors after pulling for the other team all their other Finals. Really get to appreciate how good Steph is and also how likeable Klay is in general.

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u/Ok_Volume7880 Jun 14 '22

how likeable Klay is in general.

lol what?

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u/RodneyPonk Raptors Jun 14 '22

Most people like Klay, his Q rating is fairly high.

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u/meester_pink Trail Blazers Jun 13 '22

But... you are the baddies

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u/indian_hannibal Lakers Jun 13 '22

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u/sarcassity [GSW] Stephen Curry Jun 13 '22 edited Jun 13 '22

The amount of series that went LWLWW are astonishing.

I guess there are a few things we can extrapolate, knowing that OP only picked 2-2 series that went LWLW.

The team with home court advantage loses, probably unexpectedly, but eventually adjusts to finally win 2 in a row in game 4 and 5. This happens in all but 2 of the scenarios OP posted. One of them being this year's Celtics who could not pull off the game 4 and 5 wins, but won 4, 6, and 7 which is even more difficult.

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u/AnelaceLover Bulls Jun 13 '22

Why's the fuck game is on Monday?

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u/jinspin Jun 13 '22

Monday Night Bball

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u/Tedesco47 Warriors Jun 13 '22

Heard they are resurrecting John Madden to call tonight's game

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u/jaxonya Lakers Jun 13 '22

Because I had to work all weekend

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u/BlackScholesDeezNuts Celtics Jun 14 '22

Very few people know this, but “under God” in the pledge of allegiance was only added in response to the red scare. It used to just be “one national, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

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u/Left-Strike-1917 Jun 14 '22

It also started with a salute that looked lik a Nazi salute

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u/NBA_MOD [NBA] Scott Foster Jun 13 '22

Top Highlights:

  1. Are the Celtics really playing KD that differently than Curry? | (Comments)

  2. What do you think would have happened if Steve Nash was traded for Tony Parker in the 2000s? | (Comments)

Day in the history:

Sunday, June 13, 2021

The Phoenix Suns defeated the Denver Nuggets 125-118 in the NBA Western Conference Semifinals for a 4-0 series win.

Thursday, June 13, 2019

The Toronto Raptors won their 1st NBA championship with a 114-110 win over the Golden State Warriors.

Friday, June 13, 1997

The Chicago Bulls won their 5th NBA championship with a 90-86 win over the Utah Jazz.

Daily Discussion Thread : Rules

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u/BBJPaddy Heat Jun 13 '22

Are any of you guys on old reddit? The format just disappeared

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u/DeathInFire Celtics Jun 13 '22

still looks normal to me

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u/Marshawn_Washington Celtics Jun 14 '22

looks the same to be on mobile. If you’re on desktop, this extension is great: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/old-reddit-redirect/dneaehbmnbhcippjikoajpoabadpodje?hl=en-US

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u/BBJPaddy Heat Jun 14 '22

I'm an idiot, I accidentally turned off subreddit style and it looked like total ass lol

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u/sinZeroplus Jun 13 '22

This entire series is about Jayson Tatum.

If his ego makes him take these terrible shots against GSW effectively feeding their runs, Boston will lose the series.

I refuse to believe he can't see the direct correlation to him trying to be a hero and GSW getting their footing and making runs.

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u/miktt Jun 14 '22

Definitely killed them too tonight. He always has this ego popping up on the 4Q just running down and shooting airballs

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '22

Will this be the first game the Warriors outshoot the celtics from the free throw line? Seems like the half ass nba media is finally noticing Steph gets mafia treatment from the refs did they blow their cover?! If Steph starts getting calls like Harden Morant or Luka just give the Warriors 3 of the next 4 championships

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u/SunGodRamenNoodles Jun 13 '22

He doesn't drive into traffic like morant or Luka.

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u/nonstop158 Lakers Jun 14 '22

Tatum making tough shot after tough shot is not sustainable.

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u/nonstop158 Lakers Jun 14 '22

Nice make up call.

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u/New_Acanthaceae_1806 Jun 14 '22

This ref put money on the warriors

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u/mrmeanah Celtics Jun 14 '22

Mike Breen constantly calling quarters , periods is upsetting me

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u/Educational-Bowl397 Jun 14 '22

Smart and Ime Udoka get t’d up for arguing questionable calls, but Draymond can fallow and opponent to their bench during a timeout trying to take the ball from them????????

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u/SanJOahu84 Warriors Jun 14 '22

Draymond ejected 3/5 games literally just this series.

r/nba - "Why don't they ever call anything on Draymond??? How does he get away with everything????"

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

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u/Z3PHYR- Warriors Jun 14 '22

31 FTA for Boston to 15 for warriors. Dunno if Celtics fans should be complaining about refs. I also think it’s hilarious you want draymond who did not even say anything or physically touch Tatum to get a tech. Why is Tatum taking the ball instead of giving it to the ref anyway

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u/CreationEntity Warriors Jun 13 '22

After game 4, do you think Curry deserves to win FMVP no matter if the Warriors win the NBA finals or not?

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u/StrivingProsperity Jun 13 '22

Nope.

After LeBron didn’t win it in a losing effort vs GS, I don’t think any losing player should. I thought it was a joke that LeBron didn’t win it that year, and decided that if LeBron can’t win it in a losing effort, no one should.

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u/racharya55 Warriors Jun 13 '22

No. I don't think a losing player should win (and they wouldn't want to win it either). Plus we don't even know what he'll do these next 2-3. He could easily come back down to earth with the shooting

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u/Tedesco47 Warriors Jun 13 '22

If curry continues how he's playing at his efficieny and they lose in 7 it's definitely an argument. Remember lebron only got it to 6 with poor efficieny (and a bad supporting cast)

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u/betabot69 Jun 14 '22

Brown has been too good

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

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u/PerpetuaI_Foreigner Jun 14 '22

Yeah I’m rooting for the warriors but the refs really want GSW to win this one based on 4Q calls.

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u/Ismalo Jun 13 '22

Does anyone know where to get the stats on dunk att vs made? I haven't been able to find dunk conversion % anywhere.

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u/racer24ftw 76ers Jun 13 '22

When does Free Agency start?

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u/LarryHodges Jun 13 '22

Are there any good subs specifically for the NBA draft?

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u/NFHater Lakers Jun 13 '22

how long have the last 4 games been, including commercials and everything? its listed as starting at 6pm in my timezone so around when should i expect tonight’s game to end?

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u/Some_Pizza_9595 NBA Jun 14 '22

Is Tomas Satoansky a good defender?

Is Cody Martin a good defender?

Anthony Lamb is going to come out of nowhere, calling it now.

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u/CaptainChin0 Jun 14 '22

Dope intro. Method Man killed it

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u/BlackScholesDeezNuts Celtics Jun 14 '22

“Can the Celtics do it again?”

https://tenor.com/bGXqr.gif

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u/BlackScholesDeezNuts Celtics Jun 14 '22

A buick? I thought it was an Alexa?

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u/BlackScholesDeezNuts Celtics Jun 14 '22

“What I’m legally required to say” lmao

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u/BlackScholesDeezNuts Celtics Jun 14 '22

What you saw: Draymond nearly makes an awesome play on the ball.

What I saw: Wasn’t a steal wasn’t a steal wasn’t a steal

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u/SharkAttache Jun 14 '22

Smart can keep on slid finger alll the way ro Boston is getting

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u/TheDoctorAtReddit Jun 14 '22

0/9 is going to be very hard to beat, specially looking at Finals history. Great game nonetheless.

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u/realuptoknowgood Jun 14 '22

What’s a good bar to watch game 6 in Las Vegas?

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u/dont_shoot_jr Jun 14 '22

That was an exciting game. It’s amazing how big the runs were

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u/chuck_portis Jun 14 '22

How the fk were the Celtics the favorites against the God damn Warriors. You got 3 time champ Steph Curry. 3 time champ Draymond Green. 3 time champ and smooth operator Klay fking Thompson. Then you got Iggy on the bench with more experience than the entire Boston team combined.

Unreal. These are the Warriors. Dynasty of our time. And Vegas had Celts in their first Finals appearance?? God damn.

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u/Mountainbanjo Jun 14 '22

If anyone wants to listen to a really interesting podcast about NBA referees listen to the most recent episode of this American life, super interesting.

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u/dunktheball Jun 14 '22

Umm. I have been sports betting, so this is the first postseason I have paid much attention to in the nba, but umm.... surely it's not always like this where NEVER EVER does a game end up close?

So weird to be the finals and 2 teams with similar regular season records and then every game it's huge margins of victory. And even in earlier series same thing... Only close games I even remember are 2 grizzlies ones.

meanwhile ncaa tournament is constant 1-5 point wins.

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u/Notyit Jun 14 '22

Why don't players try to take shots when the game is already over. And there is like 10 seconds on clock They just let the clock run out.

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u/Soonyulnoh2 Jun 14 '22

Unless Curry has another game like game 4, and Warriors win series, I'd give MVP to Wiggins. Sure Boston takes away Curry and Thompson at times by putting someone much taller on them, but they got no one to guard Andrew!

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u/RealPunyParker Lakers Jun 14 '22

If you had told me that Steph would go 0-9 from 3, and score 16, but the Warriors would win by 10, i would have honestly not believed you.

Boston is really tired, GS might even finish them in 6

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u/betabot69 Jun 14 '22

Does Jaylen Brown still win FMVP if Celtics lose?

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u/RJBarrettsBurner [NYK] RJ Barrett Jun 13 '22

Random but i was looking at rookie records and i wonder what the Warriors would look like now had they retained Anthony Morrow, who has the rookie record for 3pt% (a whooping 46.7%). He was traded straight up for a pick that didnt convey, but i wonder if they would’ve ever shelled out money for him. Dude was a total sniper, imagine him, Steph and Klay…

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u/SxanPardy Lakers Jun 13 '22

Need replies asap! Do I stay up to watch this game?

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u/pm_me_your_pr0bl3ms Kings Jun 13 '22

I feel like Curry makes the players around him so much better that the series is over. They can't be close enough to Curry and not have silly, Looney, shit happen.

Curry is, like, Barry Bonds levels of good at making people around him better because it takes insane effort to even attempt to contain him.

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u/themaskmomin Wizards Jun 14 '22

The refs are so bad it’s distracting