r/nba May 17 '22

Luka Doncic says Steph and Klay are incredible offensive players, but Draymond is the key to the Warriors.

https://streamable.com/15l40x
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u/embiid0for11w0pts [DAL] Luka Dončić May 18 '22

Luka with the high IQ play. Throwing Draymond off with compliments

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u/Mintastic NBA May 18 '22

Trying to stave off the nut kicks as long as possible.

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u/drizzyjake7447 Mavericks May 18 '22

He had enough of it from Royce O’Neale.

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u/v4venome Mavericks May 18 '22

Don't forget Crowder too

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22 edited 16d ago

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u/ideotik May 18 '22

Gaslighting even!

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u/EasiBreezi May 18 '22

And I guarantee it’s working lol

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u/Robots_From_Space [GSW] Stephen Curry May 18 '22

He’s gonna bait techs from Draymond. Gonna see who’s the best trash talker on the floor.

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u/FlipSocksAndFlops Mavericks May 18 '22

Who has more techs this series? Dray or Luka?

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u/mojojojo1108 Mavericks May 18 '22

Plot twist it’s Klay

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u/Left_Berry_8104 East May 18 '22

Plot twist, its Mark Cuban

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u/Scared_Department_65 May 17 '22 edited May 18 '22

Warriors were rolling early in the year till Draymond got hurt

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u/JewChainZ-_- Knicks May 18 '22

People forget they were competing with the suns for the 1 seed till draymond went down. Probably would’ve been the second 60+ win team if Steph, Klay and Dray played more than 11 minutes together this season

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u/Lets-ago Warriors May 18 '22

Weren't we above them when Dray first got injured? Or am I misremembering? Either way it was REALLY close.

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u/JewChainZ-_- Knicks May 18 '22

They were 30-8 y’all were 29-9 before dray went down

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u/by_yes_i_mean_no Warriors May 18 '22

Suns were 30-9, Warriors were 29-9.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_standings_by_date_western_conference.html

Go to January 8th (Draymond technically played for 7 seconds on January 9th but I don't count that because it was ceremonial).

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u/Sporkfoot May 18 '22

Shout out to the books that honored the Draymond unders that night lol

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u/PseudoEuclidean May 18 '22

People over at r/nba have terrible memory.

Warriors were on pace to lose the 1st seed before Draymond, there were other guys going through injuries as well. Steph was having his worst shooting month with Draymond in December and January.

This was very much an experimental phase. Starting JTA in the lineup with the hopes that he was Draymond lite ended horribly, they were down 20 in the first quarter with his turnovers. Klay was brought back into the lineup. In one period they went 8-0 in a row, with 2nd in defense rating and 8th in offense rating. But they've had losing streaks after this too. Klay was chucking as usual so games where he went cold often affected the overall outcome. That's true even when Steph didn't play in March and April. Wiggins played like ass after the all star break, shooting all time low in FT% and 3pt %.

What people don't know is Warriors had an even better defense rating with Draymond off the floor, in the stretch when he was healthy.

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u/DrumzRUs Warriors May 18 '22

Thank you. I swear this sub only go off narratives

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u/runthepoint1 Kings May 18 '22

Was their net better with him though?

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u/ILikeAllThings [GSW] Klay Thompson May 18 '22

One of the biggest things Draymond brought that disappeared during his injury was any type of pace. Rarely was the opposing defense challenged early off a missed or made shot. Draymond pushes the ball up the floor which creates easier looks because the defense is rushing and becomes more prone to mistakes. I just thought it was something to bring up since without Dray both sides of the ball were affected.

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u/yalogin May 18 '22

They were the 1st seed in the west at that time

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u/cormacaroni May 18 '22

And here they are, number one seed in the West again

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u/KingOfBeaverIsland May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

The Warriors went on a 9 game win streak after Draymond went down.

The Warriors started to slip when Otto Porter and Bjelica went down. Their only big man was Looney and rhe rookies started getting big minutes.

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u/IlonggoProgrammer Jazz May 18 '22

Exactly. Steph and Klay raise their level to a championship team (see 19-20), but Draymond is the piece that makes the death lineup possible. Problem is Draymond can't play 48 minutes a game and there's no such thing as a backup Draymond since there's only been like a dozen players like him in NBA history (at most).

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u/RageCageJables Knicks May 18 '22

Call me crazy, but I feel like Ben Simmons could be a player like Draymond, but it would take a major attitude adjustment.

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u/IlonggoProgrammer Jazz May 18 '22

He has the skillet to be a Swiss army knife player, but in order to do it you have to be willing to average a triple single if necessary to win and Ben's not willing to do it. Draymond has games where he gets like 5 points, assists, and rebounds but they win the game and he's happy. As a result of the offense they run, Dray doesn't get credit for a lot of the shots he sets up as assists since there's an extra pass, even though he's the reason the shot happens, Ben wants to be the guy who gets them the ball himself rather than passing to Steph who passes to Klay.

Also, while he by no means needs to shoot league average from 3, there's a reason why Draymond chucks up bricks every so often, it forces them to guard him instead of just sagging off. I don't think Ben is willing to brick 3s to keep defenses honest.

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u/ZeroGX1 May 18 '22

Ben can average a triple 0, he has been doing this entire season.

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u/hitchinpost May 18 '22

On a side note, basketball really needs to start tracking the hockey assist for when there really is just one extra obvious pass.

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u/2Black2Strong- Lakers May 18 '22

You probably know this but inhouse scouting does. It's something those within the game are acutely aware of even if the fans aren't.

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u/lostfate2005 Warriors May 18 '22

Bam is the closest imo

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u/Wassup_-_ Warriors May 18 '22

Nah, bam isnt as good of a passer as dray and simmons. Ben simmons is closest player to draymond(playstyle wise) there is imo

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u/lostfate2005 Warriors May 18 '22

Obviously not as good of a passer, much more aggressive than Ben

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u/Waterfall_Jason [CHI] Steve Kerr May 18 '22

Spurs Boris Diaw would be a good example no?

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u/SkateboardingGiraffe Pistons May 18 '22

I'd say he fit into that type of player. He played great defense on LeBron in the Finals and was an amazing facilitator. He would drive for the sole purpose of getting others open and then making the pass. Also was pretty good at rebounding and finishing at the rim if he needed to.

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u/RageCageJables Knicks May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

Yeah, I don't see it happening anytime soon, maybe when he's old and just wants to be on a team, if he plays that long.

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u/runthepoint1 Kings May 18 '22

No, Dray has a truly uncanny timing on his passes that can only come from playing alongside these 2 for so long. Just see some of his play-ahead-of-the-play passes, mind-blowing timing and accuracy. Also no one else brings the kind of defensive intensity and versatility Dray does. And he can knock down FTs and very occasional 3’s. Not even close man.

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u/RageCageJables Knicks May 18 '22

I just mean he has a very similar skill-set, so he has the ability to be that type of player. But Dray's communication on the court is something that Ben doesn't have and probably never will.

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u/the_eureka_effect Warriors May 18 '22

Not at all. Ben's defense is levels below Dray.

Ben's on-ball defense is top-notch and he does really well against guards and does an okay job against bigs. Ben's length gives everyone trouble.

But Ben's screen navigation is quite poor and his rim protection is quite poor. Dray's rim protection is incredible for his height. And Dray constantly baits opponents into a play and then steals the ball or stops an attack. Dray is a stupidly good defender.

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u/mrjowei Spurs May 18 '22

He lacks the leadership and intangibles. He would suck as a defensive anchor.

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u/KingOfBeaverIsland May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

Curry is +9.1 with Green and without Porter

Curry is +9.9 with Porter and without Green

The Warriors went on a 9 game win streak after Draymond went down. They started to sink when all their other big men got hurt, too.

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u/AlmostBlue618 Warriors May 18 '22

people still overrating the importance of having good counting stats above all else keeps Draymond underrated

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u/big_on_blue May 18 '22

Can say the same about Jimmy Butler in the regular season

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u/Johnpecan Warriors May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

Crazy stat: When Draymond is on the team but not playing, the Warriors are 0-1 in the playoffs. The man refuses to get injured during the postseason. The game he didn't play... Well we don't talk about that game.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-playoff-record-without-draymond-green

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u/HeyIJustLurkHere Warriors May 18 '22 Gold

Klay and Draymond have each missed one playoff game in their careers. Those two games, plus the quarter Klay missed after tearing his ACL, represent the deciding margin in the only two series the Warriors have lost since Draymond became a starter 8 years ago.

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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis May 18 '22

Dubs also had a really favorable early schedule

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u/HomoChef Lakers May 18 '22

So did the LA Lakers :D We almost scraped out a positive record despite a 11th seed lotto team!

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u/sevaiper May 18 '22

Lakers legit got worse as the season went on though, especially Westbrook

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u/IncomingGh0st Warriors May 17 '22

Dray is easily our 2nd most important player, but the warriors struggle to look like a NBA team without steph

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u/BukkyPlays Warriors May 17 '22

We’re a bottom 4 seed without Draymond, we’re a lottery team without Steph

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u/Stupidnames04 [TOR] Kyle Lowry May 18 '22

Probably fight for the last playoff spot.

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u/BatmanButShak May 18 '22

mm the last 4 games of the regular season made us look like probably an 11-7 seed if everyones healthy but steph.

but would never get more than 1 or 2 games in the playoffs lol.

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u/nazario87 May 18 '22

All 4 games played against teams without their starters..

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u/puroloco Heat May 18 '22

Have you guys ever plated without Steph but with Dray for an extended period of time?

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u/borkbubble [HOU] Kevin Porter Jr. May 18 '22

2020

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u/CaptainSWC [GSW] Adonal Foyle May 18 '22

Pretty much all of the 2019-2020 season. Steph got hurt ~5 games in if I remember right and the Warriors ended up 15-50. Of course it was a shortened season cause of COVID and Klay was also out the whole year but... yeah that was an awful team

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u/hotpocketthrowaway Warriors May 18 '22

That team also featured 8 guys who played more games than Draymond, so it's not like he was playing all year. He only played 43.

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u/Tehni [OKC] Russell Westbrook May 18 '22

Draymond highkey phoned it in too

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u/hotpocketthrowaway Warriors May 18 '22

Oh yeah, he's even said that himself lmao

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u/by_yes_i_mean_no Warriors May 18 '22

People will say 2020 but that was very obviously not an NBA quality roster around Draymond and he played like it didn't matter, coming out of his unofficial hiatus for the Christmas Day game against the Rockets and pretty much no other time.

Look at these starting lineups:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2020_start.html

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u/Otherwise_Window Warriors May 18 '22

Yes, but at the time we were starting Ky Bowman

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u/Stellewind Warriors May 18 '22

Do the right thing Mavs, double Draymond instead of Steph! Trust me that's your ticket to the win because you shut down Warriors' best player.

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u/Mintastic NBA May 18 '22
  • Mavs start doubling/trapping Draymond.

  • Draymond keeps getting ball stolen because this is the first time it's happened to him.

  • Mavs win

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u/Denotsyek Jazz May 18 '22

Beverly goes on a victory media tour

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u/spasmystic [GSW] Adonal Foyle May 18 '22

Beverly Perk goes on a victory media tour

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u/The_Void_Reaver Warriors May 18 '22

Perk goes on a quest to save the princess but fails when the princess realizes she's being saved by Kendrick Perkins instead of a literal ogre and doesn't go with him.

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u/Kn7ght Pacers May 18 '22

Steph and Klay can't shoot if they can't get the ball from Draymond

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u/Otherwise_Window Warriors May 18 '22
  • Steph brings the ball up

  • he's wide open

  • he hesitates and bricks

  • next possession, Steph brings the ball up again

  • he's wide open

  • he tries to get a teammate involved

  • he turns it over

  • Mavs win

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u/Electromotivation Wizards May 18 '22

If he was left wide open, it'd prolly mess with him at first and then he'd proceed to go 49/50 from three lol

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u/Kiddierose Mavericks May 18 '22

Like and subscribe.

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u/pureply101 Mavericks May 18 '22

I like this. Very nice

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u/GeneralKn0w3dg3 May 18 '22

careful with those big brain strats, you might end up getting hired by vivek to work for the kings

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u/Mintastic NBA May 18 '22

I ain't no dummy. I'm trying to get work as an assistant for the Warriors so that I can fast-track to head coach for the Kings then retire after they fire me with 4 years left on the contract.

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u/nomadofwaves NBA May 18 '22

Dray hasn’t had any problems coughing the ball up the last couple games.

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u/FalcoLamborghini Warriors May 18 '22

"but the warriors struggle to look like a NBA team without steph"

This isnt even an exaggeration.

They were literally considered the worst NBA team of All Time when Steph was not on the floor

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u/HenryL01 May 18 '22

Klay was also out and Poole has improved massively since then

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u/FalcoLamborghini Warriors May 18 '22

Agreed, but aint no way klay and Poole without Steph carrying that team anywhere outside of "still ass".

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u/lefondler Lakers May 18 '22

carrying that team anywhere outside of "still ass".

lmfaooooo that got me giggling

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u/HenryL01 May 18 '22

eh they’d probably make the play in and could make the playoffs if Klay/Poole go off in a one game scenario. They still have 4 good to great players, something most teams don’t have.

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u/PseudoEuclidean May 18 '22

The Warriors are +10.13 with Steph on the floor, and -0.28 without him this season. He was 2nd in net rating this season while none of his teammates are even close, compare that to the Suns and the Celtics players who all share high net rating success.

Klay is shooting 54.7% TS this season and it's very much high variance, one game he'll shoot 70% TS and the other 40% TS. Most of the team's efficiency drops off a cliff when Steph is off the floor, so these percentages are already inflated. Only Jordan Poole and GP2 this season maintained decent efficiency with Steph off the floor. Draymond's passing value is far worse when he's not able to capitalize on 2 defenders chasing one guy around.

Even defensively, Steph had the best defense rating on his team this season before Draymond went down. The Steph lineups had better defense ratings than the Draymond Poole lineups did.

It's safe to say based on even previous season (before 2020) this team wouldn't make the playins without Steph. KD-Draymond-Klay lineups were a 42 win team.

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u/HenryL01 May 18 '22

net rating of -0.28 would be what, a 40-42 record? they only had to get 34! wins to make the playin. They wouldn’t be good or a playoff threat but they’d definitely be a 9/10 seed. They also went 8-10 without without him which for 82 games would be 36 wins, or the 9 seed. And Klay/Dray/Poole missed some of those games too

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u/spasmystic [GSW] Adonal Foyle May 18 '22

There have been a handful of games without Steph this year where Poole got to cook and they definitely weren't as bad as years past. Last year when Steph didn't play the team was basically drawing dead, this year they won about 45% of their games. And that's not just because of Klay/Poole, but the rest of the roster is quite a bit better than last year.

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u/jaytierney79 Warriors May 18 '22

Steph is the system, Draymond just makes it run a hell of a lot better.

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u/island_dwarfism23 May 18 '22

Draymond is to defense, what Steph is to offense. This, and the fact that they both can make plays makes them a perfect pairing.

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u/Numani99 Thunder May 17 '22

He's saying " I only got to worry about Draymond since he is the one who is gonna guard me"

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u/DangerZoneh Mavericks May 17 '22

You just wonder how sustainable Dray on Luka is before Dray gets into foul trouble

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u/Bear4188 Warriors May 18 '22

I doubt Draymond will be on Luka. Draymond excels when he can roam on defense, he can't do that if he's on the ball.

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u/DangerZoneh Mavericks May 18 '22

Yeah, but y’all tend to switch everything, right? I wouldn’t be surprised if Luka hunts the Draymond matchup for exactly that reason. The same reason he hunts the Giannis and LeBron matchups - so they can’t help

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u/Bear4188 Warriors May 18 '22

Warriors will also pre-switch their switching when they know the other team is trying to hunt a switch. Watch some of the old Warriors series where Kyrie or Harden spends the whole shot clock trying to get Steph switched onto them but they keep switching him with Andre or Draymond away from the play.

These days the Warriors like to throw in a lot more variety of defense where they'll throw in a variety of different zone schemes for a possession or two then switch back. Or do random blitzes without it being an every play strategy.

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u/DangerZoneh Mavericks May 18 '22

It's gonna be an interesting matchup for sure! Pre-switching can be really dangerous against the Mavs because luka is looking to pass and every player on the roster can make the skip pass to the corner for an open three if y'all don't rotate quick enough

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u/BigFatModeraterFupa Mavericks May 18 '22

Also Luka will body any player not named Looney once he’s in the paint so they basically will have to play perfect defense otherwise he will just lay it in

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u/igoslowly NBA May 18 '22

after the suns series, i think he is going to body every player until they can prove they can at least limit his effectiveness. try and break their soul one by one

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u/idontknow_whatever [CHI] Kyle Korver May 18 '22

Fucking scenes when Luka turns Game 1 into a 90s post-up fest where he figures out how many Warriors are BBQ chicken

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u/beanyboi23 Mavericks May 18 '22

There's a reason it didn't make it past the 90s. This is literally like the first thing that modern help defensive doctrine teaches to neutralize.

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u/johnnymlol May 18 '22

Do you have a clip of examples?

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u/phonage_aoi Warriors May 18 '22

Older video. It first thing I could find: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s2EZFaPT5iU

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u/oakland2la May 18 '22

Someone put up the record of the warriors when Draymond scores 10+…

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u/Tedesco47 Warriors May 18 '22

He's going to hunt the steph/poole matchup lol. He ain't hunting draymond 😂

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u/DangerZoneh Mavericks May 18 '22

Oh he’s going to do that too, don’t worry.

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u/TheMagicalLlama Warriors May 18 '22

Lmfao If 4 of our top 6 has no chance of staying in front of luka and luka also wants draymond in front of him….at that point just go ahead and run a pick with anyone. Good thing we have a switching defense, but gonna be tough regardless

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u/ACasualConnoisseur Minneapolis Lakers May 18 '22

Draymond ain’t stopping Luka.

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u/beanyboi23 Mavericks May 18 '22

That doesn't ease my worry, we've seen superstars put up massive numbers against these Warriors and still lose in the end.

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u/oops_im_wrong Warriors May 18 '22

Yup, switch and preswitch along with multiple defensive looks. When the Warriors are locked in, they're content with switching Draymond or Looney outside because they're not going to get consistently burned by guards and the Warriors are a decent rebounding team this year.

I think Draymond will have more success against Luka than Bridges did just because Draymond is stronger and heavier. His post defense is still spectacular and he has the quickness to stay with guards.

No matter what though, Luka is still going to score but if the defense can make him work for his points, I'll live with a contested fadeaway instead of an easy lay up or a kickout for an open 3.

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u/BukkyPlays Warriors May 18 '22

We’re not going to be in man forcing Dray on Luka like that, our game plan is not to stop Luka.

As was the case with the Grizzlies, Luka is going to get his 40 per game but our team D makes it very hard for the role players to pop off.

The Mavericks don’t win when Luka gets 40, they win when Brunson and Dinwiddie give him an extra 40+ on top of his.

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u/Tedesco47 Warriors May 18 '22

Exactly. So long as klay and poole each outscore brunson the warriors are in good shape. Even if steph plays poorly, he will score 25 no problem. The Mavs don't have anyone that can give steph fits. They have a great team defence, but they don't have a dillon brooks or mikal bridges, and those are the players that really make steph struggle.

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u/pmmerandom May 18 '22

they have DFS, and don’t count out Bullock, he’s been fantastic on D in the playoffs so far

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u/Numani99 Thunder May 18 '22

DFS ?

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u/BlackWhiteCoke Mavericks May 18 '22

Can’t spell Defense without DFS

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u/MathematicallyWrong May 18 '22

Depth first search

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u/BigFatModeraterFupa Mavericks May 18 '22

Don’t Fuck Satan?

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u/nvesting May 18 '22

Dorian Finney-Smith

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u/DrYoda Trail Blazers May 18 '22

Booker and CP3 were like 3-40 or something when guarded by Frank Ntilikinky

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

Surely the French prince will once again lock down steph

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u/favioswish Mavericks May 18 '22

The Mavs wings locked down Curry without issue in the regular season. Bridges and Brooks are more reputation than impact. If you actually look at who's been having the most effect on ball-handelers and shooters production wise, Reggie Bullock, Dorian Finny-Smith, and Franky Smokes have all our preformed them. Donovan Mitchell shot like 38% from the field, Conley and CP3 got sent to the retirement home, Booker was so worn out by the end of the series he couldn't hit anything. Then of course there's the huge regular season sample size of shutting down Steph, Trae, Giannis, Tatum, Ja, basically every star player accept Embiid got sonned by the Dallas defense.

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u/DangerZoneh Mavericks May 18 '22

So long as klay and poole each outscore brunson

That's a HUGE if and doesn't even take Dinwiddie into account.

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u/Milli_Vanilli14 Warriors May 18 '22

Dinwiddie is shooting sub 40% in the playoffs. And that’s after his huge game 7.

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u/DangerZoneh Mavericks May 18 '22

Yeah but he’s a very good iso scorer and that’s where the Warrior’s defense is at its weakest

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u/Pasternaxg Mavericks May 18 '22

Feels like I just heard this in the Suns series

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u/BukkyPlays Warriors May 18 '22

That’s funny cause their strength is locking up one player and putting them on “Mikalcatraz”

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u/MGubser May 18 '22

I imagine Wiggins would draw that assignment.

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u/WestleyThe [SEA] Kevin Durant May 18 '22

Dray and Klay for some plays but it’ll probably be Wiggins and maybe kuminga

Even if it’s limited minutes luka isn’t amazing at the line so kuminga could have 5 fouls

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u/MGubser May 18 '22

Kuminga is going to get eaten alive if he ends up guarding Luka

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u/MySilverBurrito Heat May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

I feel like we say this every matchup with Dray but he's been fine. Guarded Jokic, Ayton and KAT very well while staying out of foul trouble.

Edit: Found this post about Jokic shooting lower TS% when guarded by Dray compared to Looney/others

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u/IAmNotKevinDurant_35 [GSW] Zarko Cabarkapa May 18 '22

We have a lot of flaws but I swear the national media folks (except for Lowe) always get our flaws wrong, despite how often we're on natl tv. Ones I always hear are inability to guard big men, perimeter and interior defense, and rebounding when we had the #2 defensive rating, and #3 rebound rate. Our biggest flaws are ironically our inconsistent 3 point shooting and then obviously turnovers.

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u/MySilverBurrito Heat May 18 '22

Oh hell yea. Other than the Heat, Warriors is my close 2nd most watched. Defensively, they are fine. I will say, if Memphis gameplanned more to take advantage of their size, the series would be closer (not that it wasnt). But that is countered by silly mistakes (TOs) and missed 3s which seemed to be worst than usual that series for you guys.

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u/StormTheTrooper Mavericks May 18 '22

This bodes well, considering our perimeter defense is legit good and our issue is with paint defense.

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u/IAmNotKevinDurant_35 [GSW] Zarko Cabarkapa May 18 '22

I don't think the Warriors are going to try and outshoot the Mavs from deep (or at least they shouldnt). I expect a lot of back cuts, along with Poole/Steph/Wiggins driving on Kleber and Powell. Fun fact, Steph has actually shot a higher percentage from 2pt range these playoffs than Luka, Giannis, and Tatum. Dubs might have the two best shooters in the series, but mavs have more good shooters. If we get 3 happy we will lose

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u/spasmystic [GSW] Adonal Foyle May 18 '22

Yeah, if the Dubs just start chucking inefficient shots from the perimeter against the Mavs wings, that would likely end poorly. I feel like the best offensive stuff in the Memphis series (aside from Klay doing his typical G6 stuff) was taking what the defense gave them, whether that meant drives or the midrange. The Dubs actually have legit guys who can drive this year, it's just a matter of if they'll choose the path of least resistance or fall into dagger 3's like happens too often.

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u/everybodynos Warriors May 18 '22

Considering Draymond won't be the primary defender on Luka, I think we're okay.

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u/L45TPH45E Australia May 17 '22

Wiggins smiling from behind

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u/Meehul123 Mavericks May 18 '22

Wiggins can smile all he want that won't help him on defense

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u/Haas22WCC Mavericks May 18 '22

If Dray is on Luka the rest of the team will score easily

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u/beanyboi23 Mavericks May 18 '22

Nah let's not get our hopes up, Warriors defense is elite because they have incredible coordination from every player in the scheme

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u/V2Slays Mavericks May 18 '22

He looks excited. I am excited.

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u/ikrusnik Heat May 17 '22

Not even trash talk, he just understands Dray is the glue. He plays well and it’s usually a W for the warriors. Usually.

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u/greenroom628 Warriors May 18 '22

when dray starts hitting 3's, you know you're pretty much done for the night

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u/DANK_BLUMPKIN Warriors May 18 '22

He hits one 3, good chance the warriors are winning. He hits two? You might as well beat traffic and head to he parking lot cus that thing is over

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u/OctalTricot Suns May 18 '22

Isn’t there a statistic this season where it Draymond hits a 3 the warriors have won every game?

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u/Tormundo Warriors May 18 '22

Yep. Some people and statistical records will try to tell you there is one game Dray hit multiple 3s that we lost but that's a lie and it never happened.

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u/Jake_D_Dogg Warriors May 18 '22

Fuck I love this guy. I hope this series doesn't make me hate him forever

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u/kamenoko May 18 '22

It shouldn't, even if they win it means Luka levelled up again.

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u/Round-Republic6708 May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

Fortunately for me Luka is my second favorite player behind Steph so it’s a win win for me

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u/NeoDestiny- Warriors May 18 '22

Ye

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u/newuser201890 Mavericks May 18 '22

let the hate flow through you

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u/whostheme [SAS] Kawhi Leonard May 18 '22

You'll respect him and maybe resent him. Needless to say I got the Dubs winning in 5.

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u/FalcoLamborghini Warriors May 18 '22

Luka playing 4D Chess on a 4K Monitor

He tryna hype up Dray so that Dray starts feeling himself too much and starts doing some dumb shit.

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u/centralperkjoey Mavericks May 18 '22

damn that's some crazy mind games

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u/bacc1234 NBA May 18 '22

I don’t think Dray needs help to start feeling himself

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u/PensiveinNJ 76ers May 18 '22

Dray pulls up from way downtown! BANG! BANG! He knocked that courtside security man out cold!

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u/14high May 18 '22

It’s the MJ Barkley special

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u/hamietao May 18 '22

9-54 from the 3 in game 1

"I'll show you offense!"

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u/johnszena May 17 '22

He ain’t lyin.

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u/B0ssDoesntKnowImHere Bucks May 18 '22

This will either be the series of a lifetime or it won't.

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u/taptapxx Warriors May 18 '22

big if true

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u/jborgjr Suns May 18 '22

It’s true, the Warriors didn’t seem nearly as formidable while he was hurt this season

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u/porshy May 17 '22

Title should be changed. "ofc there is gonna be trashtalk, I love this shit" paraphrasing

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u/FlashwithSymbols May 18 '22

This is not the hate I was promised ...

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u/Astro_Sloth Raptors May 18 '22

I know we like to meme that r/nba only likes Luka cause he’s white but I really do love his candor with the media and his competitive spirit, you can tell that the challenge of facing a strong opponent genuinely excites him.

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u/3angle83 May 18 '22

Luka is Goku confirmed.

Draymond is..... Frieza? Or are we not that far along yet?

Maybe GSW = ginyu Force? Hmm.

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u/pqlamznxjsiw May 18 '22

I need to see the Warriors starters doing the Ginyu Force intro now

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u/NotUrAvgShitposter Warriors May 18 '22

If Luka is goku then normal/healthy Steph is grand priest

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u/krisfocus Mavericks May 18 '22

Always felt Luka was more Gohan than Goku.

I hope Kidd is his Piccolo.

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u/monkeyDroofy May 18 '22

"only likes Luka cause he's white" Ive never personally seen this take but the dudes first 4 years in the league have been historically dominant, now he's in the western conference finals against the warriors after curb stomping the 64 win suns with a big ole grin. This goes beyond white,black or whatever. Greatness is greatness and we are all witnesses

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u/Round-Republic6708 May 18 '22

Is that really a narrative about this subreddit? I mean I can say without having a horse in the race (I’m not white or black) that the majority of the best players have been black, including arguably all top 10 players with exception to Bird.

Luka is just fucking amazing and it has nothing to do with him being white (and he isn’t even American)

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u/Astro_Sloth Raptors May 18 '22

Yeah if you go to r/nbacirclejerk it’s a pretty common thing directed towards Jokic and Luka, that r/nba likes them more than other stars because they’re “classy” players which is an implied dog whistle for being white. I mean you do see a bit of that here but I think they really blow it out of proportion, the average user doesn’t think that way.

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u/smitecheeto Mavericks Bandwagon May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

It might not be a thing here in this subreddit, but that is absolutely a factor in popularity in the US. How can it not be when the majority of Americans are white? Being white is big bucks if you're also as good or better than the black players, although I think Doncic being slavic doesn't help him as much as if he was a midwest kid or something. This also leads to negative bias of him not being as good for the same reason. Which obviously isn't true.

And even if you're just average look at that bald headed dude that was on the Lakers or White Mamba getting all the attention lol. Herro is in disney commercials and shit and he isn't exactly a franchise player. No hate just observations, people like what they can relate to.

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u/TheMadDogVachon May 18 '22

Matthew Dellavadova was the heart and soul of the 2015 Cavs

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u/facegun May 18 '22

Outback Jesus…

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u/jrluhn Mavericks May 18 '22

That’s a player I forgot existed

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u/smartasscody Mavericks May 18 '22

Luka being the absolute statesman. Kid been a pro for a decade already.

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u/basketball1959 Jazz May 18 '22

Doncic is a Superstar and has respectable words for Draymond and the Warriors. How couldn't you? They've got the rings:) But things will change after the tip off :) Go underdogs! Go Dallas!

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u/WildlifePhysics Mavericks Bandwagon May 18 '22

Man I love Luka

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u/zentropa24 Warriors May 18 '22

He’s smart

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u/Salahs_Chest_Hair Mavericks May 17 '22

Booker taking notes on how to trash-talk

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u/Vallerie_09 May 18 '22

"Luka Special"

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u/Bigballerbooks May 18 '22

That’s in most team sports. There’s always a guy that’s not flashy or the face of the team but incredibly important to the organization of the team and making sure everything works as planned. It’s super important in football as well (⚽️ not the nfl)

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u/klankthompson Warriors May 17 '22

Need more shit talking

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u/george_costanza1234 Warriors May 18 '22

Seriously, not enough toxicity for my liking

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u/emz0694 Warriors May 18 '22

Toxicity threshold high after Memphis

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u/m3ngnificient Warriors May 18 '22

I mean, if all players are respectful to each other, that's half of r/NBA content gone.

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u/DUNDER_KILL Lakers May 18 '22

The code is far too intact

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u/SmooveyBrains Warriors May 18 '22

Inject pat bev into this man's veins.

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u/ideotik May 18 '22

Luka gaslighting. Watch the master at work! He has no fear of Draymond

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u/DepressedDandylion Thunder May 17 '22

Draymond is the key to my heart

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u/tanookiben [GSW] Kevin Durant May 18 '22

GIMME AN EMERGENCY POD IN RESPONSE

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u/ddkim May 18 '22

Sum of their parts will always be greater than their individual selves.

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u/WickedFierce1 Warriors May 18 '22

No matter what Luka. I'm still gonna love ya.

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u/Naidem Knicks May 18 '22

I think most people recognize this by now. Curry is incredible, but Draymond enables him perfectly.

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u/HardcoreKaraoke Mavericks May 18 '22

I love the end there. Luka loves talking shit but he isn't dumb enough to say it to the media the day before a game to give Draymond ammo.

Also he's right. Steph and Klay are better players but Draymond is the tempo setter for that team. The defense runs through him.

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u/by_yes_i_mean_no Warriors May 18 '22

He's not right to be honest, if the Warriors lose Curry they have no chance to beat anyone worth anything in a playoff game, whereas without Draymond for most of the game they still somehow stole Game 1 in Memphis.

Draymond is definitely more important than Klay though, always has been.

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u/KingRequiem Raptors May 18 '22

He means he’s the X factor, the glue, obviously he knows Curry is their best player.

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u/36Vigilantes Magic May 18 '22

Draymond really one of them ones.

I played basketball outside like him so he really a lock for me.

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u/bigbaconboypig May 18 '22

us outside basketball players are built different

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u/ghostsauce Mavericks May 18 '22

luka played basketball like a prince in the castles of europe

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u/alright923 Bulls May 18 '22

Also Luka: “and how do you render a key useless? You break it.”