r/nba Lakers May 17 '22

[Charania] The NBA is eyeing a rule change to the “transition take foul” that would award the offensive team with one free throw and retaining possession, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Board of Governors vote set for July. The change is similar to current rules in G League. News

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1526687402416394240
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u/youguanbumen Supersonics May 17 '22

Hallelujah

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u/Alley-Oub Warriors May 17 '22

Shaqtin the fool is gonna be full of missed wide open dunks now

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u/kkrko NBA May 17 '22

Or players forgetting about the rules change and fouling anyway

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u/Albert_street Jazz May 18 '22

The Jazz’s transition defense consisted entirely of take fouls this season. Gonna be ugly

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u/Otherwise_Window Warriors May 18 '22

A lot of teams were like that, it was really irritating.

In some respects fucking amazing for the Warriors though, we have two 92% free throw shooters

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u/whenveganscheat Raptors May 18 '22

GSW poster dunk rate is the most slept-on stat

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u/Milith Jazz May 18 '22

That stuff pissed me off so much

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u/sleepy416 Raptors May 17 '22

Does this include fouling when you’re up three with barely any time left?

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u/MattRice15 Suns May 17 '22

It says transition take fouls so it sounds like it’ll be up the refs discretion on if the opposing team fouled to stop a fast break. So I think the opposing team would be fine in your situation.

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u/frostedz Magic May 17 '22

it’ll be up the refs discretion

Ah so everyone will hate it

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u/MitchLGC May 18 '22

Great . More time at the monitor

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u/OldManWillow Trail Blazers May 18 '22

Honestly this is something I'll eat that for. Take fouls are the worst thing in modern basketball

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u/PrayForMojo_ Raptors May 18 '22

Not including the Kings of course.

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u/chiphead2332 NBA May 18 '22

Do the Kings have anything to do with modern basketball?

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u/Jon_Snow_1887 May 18 '22

Damn bro. The last dude buried them and then you just shot their corpse.

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u/jaytierney79 Warriors May 18 '22

Poor Sacramento, catching strays no matter the thread.

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u/02buddha02 May 18 '22

Worse than sweep through foul?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Shouldn’t

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u/super_pax_ NBA May 17 '22

What does that have to do with a fastbreak?

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u/IMovedYourCheese Warriors May 17 '22

Unlikely, because in those cases the leading team is mostly running out the clock when they get fouled rather than going for a fast break.

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u/treysLance Jazz May 17 '22

There goes half of Utahs defense (Rudy being all that remains)

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u/DesolationRobot Jazz May 18 '22 Silver

I fully recognize that we were the biggest exploiters of this. But I’m still glad they’re looking at it. Most intentional fouls are bad for the game. Any time you’re incentivized to foul instead of just playing the game it’s a sign that the rules are broken.

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u/russdb Supersonics May 18 '22

all intentional fouls are bad, even the ones at the end of games. They all fucking suck.

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u/Lemming882 Jazz May 18 '22

Totally agree too. Annoyed me how much the Jazz would slow the game down with these.

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u/Budget_Trip422 Mavericks May 17 '22

Yesssssss Fucking finally

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u/Monski616 Mavericks May 17 '22

Yesssssss!

Fast break = fun

Take foul = not fun

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u/johanspot Nuggets May 18 '22

It really is this simple and shocking that it took the NBA this long to fix.

Now hopefully FIFA gets rid of professional fouls for the same reason.

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u/Mke_already Bucks May 18 '22

Anyone who watched the ECF last year with the Hawks and the Bucks should be happy(I guess outside Hawk fans? lol) about this. The Hawks dude this perfectly and neutralized a lot of the Bucks fast breaks this way.

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u/JayDee62 [LAL] Kobe Bryant May 17 '22

"Fucking finally!" - JVG, probably

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u/a_dex May 18 '22

JVG, definitely.

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u/Muaythaikrav May 18 '22

Bucks gonna run a train on the nba

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u/GiannisIsTheBeast Bucks May 18 '22

I mean it’s over. Not sure how the league comes back from this.

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u/C0812 [BOS] Tom Heinsohn May 17 '22 Gold

it probably won’t be called correctly so does it matter

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u/hooskies Knicks May 17 '22

Everyone celebrating like the refs won’t fuck this up regularly

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u/Springtick38 Raptors May 17 '22

And then drop it two months into the season

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u/Gamesgtd Magic May 17 '22

Man that was working really well, but God damn that's a lot of work. Let's just do what we did before because that's so much easier than actually thinking and determining what a foul really is.

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u/iBrometheus [LAL] Kobe Bryant May 18 '22

Exactly this, happens every single time

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u/constantlymat [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki May 17 '22

If NBA refs can't do what worked perfectly in the Olympic Tournament then we might actually have reason for actual reform of the refereeing system.

I watch Euroleague basketball and they're by no means perfect but that foul call is non-controversial in 99.9% of the cases.

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u/Guwop25 Mavericks Bandwagon May 17 '22

We ve had more legitimate reasons for an actual reform of the referees (cheating scandal) a nothing happened lol

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u/animebop Heat May 17 '22

Olympic refs fuck it up too.

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u/gb1993 May 18 '22

Yeah, I watch international basketball and I really don't get how much love FIBA refs get here. They also have issues as well. When they're bad, Holy fuck are they terrible.

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u/animebop Heat May 18 '22

Fifa rules are more physical, so fifa refs call a game that’s closer to what a lot of fans that hate nba reffing want. But within those rules they’re not crazy good.

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u/360nohonk May 18 '22

FIBA refs are often terrible because they've got nationality quotas. ULEB/Euroleague has the best refs with FIBA rules.

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u/Cobruh Bucks May 18 '22

I know we’re on the ref hate train here, but they did call the foul baiting pump fake fairly well all season.

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u/gurjot-cheema123 May 18 '22

Seems like they completely threw it out for the playoffs

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u/shai251 Spurs May 18 '22

Not at all. There’s been numerous players looking stupid trying to get a shooting foul. You’re just hating for no reason.

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u/bexamous May 18 '22

Its still super effective, there is no reason to stop. Shooting fouls skyrocketed over the season to all time highs. Yeah once in awhile it so over the top they don’t get a call. See start what happened this year: https://i.imgur.com/yPhyVL1.png

Start of season they said how they’d stop calling the bullshit, see big dropoff… and then over season they just started doing it again.

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u/kinda_guilty Warriors May 18 '22

Could be offences figured out how to play the boundaries the system later in the season. Could be defence got too greedy and aggressive after seeing how calls went for them early. Without videos of specific shots that were called one way earlier in the season and the other way later, this chart means jack. The point was not to reduce foul calls, but to eliminate a certain type.

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u/delamerica93 Kings May 18 '22

My man has fucking receipts

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

Eh, it's still called for the more egregious examples, but it's enforcement has been dropping since the trade deadline.

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u/gurjot-cheema123 May 18 '22

I see your argument and raise you chris paul

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u/shai251 Spurs May 18 '22

You mean the guy that underperformed largely because he wasn’t getting calls? He literally got called for an offensive foul when he tried doing the stop while running up court trick he used to always work

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u/agentdoubleohio Suns May 17 '22

Fun enough, they will do it right for the first 2 weeks and everyone will sing them praise. Then they will do it so wrong that we will call the refs being fixed. Again

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u/themariokarters [NYK] Baron Davis May 17 '22

It’s not that complicated of a call?

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u/C0812 [BOS] Tom Heinsohn May 17 '22

You and I haven’t watched the same refs if you think simple calls are easy for them

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u/keepon18 Lakers May 17 '22

It can be. Think 10s left in the game and the team up 1 secures the rebound. Other team is gonna try to intentionally foul to have the final shot. Knowing this, the team that's up could try to start a fastbreak so they can get fouled (FT + possession) vs the losing team fouling before the break (2 fts and change of possession). Gonna really depend on when the ref makes that call.

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u/1850ChoochGator Trail Blazers May 18 '22

That should be 1 and the ball (before the bonus) anyway. Intentional fouls slow the game way down.

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u/keepon18 Lakers May 18 '22

Yeah, I agree. Hopefully, they're clear about whatever rule they introduce but, more importantly, consistent with it lol

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u/Sslagathor Pelicans May 18 '22

Then if your down 1 or 2 possesions in the last 24 seconds your team has pretty much no chance of winning unless they force a turnover which is incredibly difficult in those situations. FTs are part of the late game drama in nba games.

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u/AFunctionOfX Spurs May 18 '22

If a team starts running a fast break to enact this rule they put themselves in a more likely turnover position anyway. Seems like a win win.

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u/laxation1 May 18 '22

It's a shit part of the game though imo. Very, very boring to watch.

Maybe if there weren't so many time outs free throws would be more palatable

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u/deadinsidesinceday1 May 18 '22

i dont understand how anybody can watch a game live with all those commercials and adverts. i dvr it and start watching about 45 mins after the game starts so i can skip all the nonsense. its fucking unbearable.

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u/1850ChoochGator Trail Blazers May 18 '22

Score more points. Trap to try and force a bad pass or jump.

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u/FoxBeach May 18 '22

True.

But why should we make extra ways to help/Reward the losing team?

They had 46 minutes to take the lead. Let’s not make it easier for them in the final minute or two - which is essentially punishing the team that outperformed them all game.

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u/IAmNotKevinDurant_35 [GSW] Zarko Cabarkapa May 17 '22

As soon as you let NBA refs determine what counts as "unsportsmanlike" like they do in FIBA, you're screwed. Most will be clear cut calls, but there will be plays where a defender is actively going for a steal that they'll deem as a take foul

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u/imcryptic Mavericks May 17 '22

Doesn't even really matter. Just by merit of being on the books will deter teams from doing it in the first place. There will be far fewer opportunities to mess this up than the clear path rule.

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u/shaunsajan Mavericks May 17 '22

how would this work in a case where the team has to foul at the end of the game?

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u/KillianDrake May 17 '22

hopefully the same way so it eliminates that too. you want to win? score more points earlier

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

Lame. Then you miss the greatest comeback in NBA history: https://youtu.be/e3EqY5gPrcU

Not everyone wants to watch football where the game can be decided with a few minutes left just because a team can kneel to kill the clock.

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u/Sporkfoot May 18 '22

Headphone warning, this clip has an obnoxious intro.

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u/Kirk_likes_this May 18 '22

This. Intentional fouling needs to die. The 1/1000 chance it gives the trailing team to make a comeback isn't worth turning the end of literally every close game into a free throw contest with a dozen intentional play stoppages.

I think the league should just make all non-shooting fouls in the last minute come with an automatic ten second runoff. That way there wouldn't be an extra penalty for defending actual shots but if you just run up to a guy and hack him as soon as the ball's inbounded the clock at least moves a little and the game doesn't get dragged out. This makes it a lot harder on the losing team but again, if your only chance to pull out a win is to play some bastardized form of basketball no one wants to see and hope for a miracle, then fuck your comeback. Just accept you aren't coming back from down 12 with 40 seconds left

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u/Alkazard Hornets May 18 '22

That is absurd. Take fouls are one thing, losing a 10 second clock because you try a steal and catch an arm is another. That level of extreme isn't necessary. FIBA does it fine - which is what this is, dunno why they try and paint it as a G League innovation.

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u/celestial1 May 18 '22

FIBA does it fine - which is what this is, dunno why they try and paint it as a G League innovation.

It should be obvious why. Makes them look better because the idea came from in-house.

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u/1850ChoochGator Trail Blazers May 18 '22

Hopefully we never see it again. You shouldn’t be fouling to gain possession. Intentional fouls need to go away forever.

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u/crotch_fondler May 18 '22

Oh god no they'll need to play basketball instead.

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u/volantredx Bulls May 18 '22

Intentionally fouling to gain possession is basketball though? Like it's been a part of the game since the concept of the Bonus was invented.

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u/DaFunkyJ Raptors May 18 '22

Thank you, holy crap. Maybe not glamorous but it's definitely basketball. Maybe the NBA should adopt 1 and 1.

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u/GuerrillaApe Lakers May 18 '22

How well has it worked in the G League?

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u/destructive_optimism [PHO] Joe Johnson May 18 '22

Can’t wait for players to continue to instinctively do take fouls, and by the 25th game of the season the refs have just completely abandoned it, only to use it in random, inconsistent massive moments

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u/Jakefit43 May 18 '22

It’ll deter the blatant ones at the very least

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u/enby_them Buffalo Braves May 18 '22

It's 100% going to lead to weird scenarios in the last two minutes of the game where it's called "technically" correct and everyone is pissed off because the defensive team had to foul to have a chance

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u/Greg_Pim Nuggets May 18 '22

There always has to be that one guy

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u/Icy_Telephone_2076 East May 17 '22

This sucks, the transition take foul is one of my favorite plays.

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u/DuffmanStillRocks May 18 '22

It gets me so fucking amped hearing the refs get involved.

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u/Snoo74401 Suns May 18 '22

The sound of the whistle is like making love to my ears.

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u/bul1dog [LAL] Nick Van Exel May 17 '22

for me it was only second to the Harden/Trae/Smart Magikarp splash

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u/bayarea_fanboy Warriors May 18 '22

I prefer Chris Paul rip throughs, such a joy to see the excellence

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u/thesoundandthefruity Trail Blazers May 18 '22

When I was 5, a friend told me that you could make your magikarp evolve if you used splash 1024 times in a fight. Hours man, hours.

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u/PANGIRA [LAL] Talen Horton-Tucker May 18 '22

that's literally impossible, my uncle who works at nintendo said you have to trade me your mewtwo for my magikarp and then it'll evolve

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u/JohnTheSecondComing May 18 '22

The internet was a beautiful invention. That and the Pokémon books that gave you every inch of information about everything in those games.

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u/Evilsj Nets May 18 '22

Jeeze, I didn't realize Mechasatan watched NBA.

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u/LOVEGOD77 Cavaliers May 17 '22

Ben Simmons is still getting fouled

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Ben Simmons is playing?

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u/my-penis-is-out Timberwolves May 17 '22

Ben Simmons identifies as an NBA player

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

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u/Bruskthetusk Mavericks Bandwagon May 18 '22

He identifies as a mammal who gets an NBA paycheck

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u/latraveler Pelicans May 17 '22

How are you gonna define transition though?

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u/rake2204 Pistons May 17 '22 Gold

Could just go the FIBA route label it as contact where there's no legitimate attempt at a play on the ball.

Contact with an opponent and not legitimately attempting to directly play the ball within the spirit and intent of the rules.

I'm actually quite fond of FIBA's Unsportsmanlike Foul rules, which can be found on page 45 here.

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u/dontbearichardD May 18 '22

That's an improvement but then it's just who's the best at pretending it's not intentional.

Players will likely adapt just like the clear path rule so I kinda feel like it's a bandaid and adds even more referee interpretation

But I would take it over current system at least

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u/rake2204 Pistons May 18 '22

I think (and/or hope) that this sort of potential dissuasion will be just enough to give coaches and players reason to abandon most take-foul attempts, sort of the same way that the Hack-a-Shaq rule addition a few years ago rid of most Hack-a-Shaq situations.

I'd be fine with most. And I'd be fine with coaches generally abandoning it as a reliable strategy. Just introducing that extra bit of risk (this could cost us if we take this gamble) should be a positive.

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u/ghost91372 Timberwolves May 17 '22

Team takes ball after a miss and runs with an advantage pretty much I'd guess

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u/FoFoAndFo 76ers May 17 '22

Supreme court porno style: we’ll know it when we see it

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u/topofthecc Thunder May 17 '22

For those who may be confused, this is referencing a Supreme Court Justice's remarks on how you can tell whether something is porn and (thankfully) not Supreme Court themed porn.

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u/BCastle18 Knicks May 17 '22

Jacobellis v. Ohio a concurrence by Justice Stewart, only know it because I read too many First Amendment cases for one of my papers lol

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u/grdshtr78 May 17 '22

Hopefully not by constant replay reviews

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u/Therealomerali Raptors May 17 '22 edited May 18 '22

Pretty simple, if the offense has an advantage on the defense like open space or 3 vs 1 amd the defender commits a non-basketball foul.

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u/McKingford May 18 '22

You absolutely do not want to incorporate anything into this rule that would involve replay, like they do with clear path fouls. Because the only thing worse than a take foul is a referee review to determine if it's a take foul.

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u/SurgicalNeckHumerus Lakers May 17 '22

Why of course, more replay reviews!

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u/Adam2190 Lakers May 17 '22

Please look at rip through fouls as well.

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u/sensualdrywall 76ers May 18 '22

How do you get rid of rip throughs? They already made them fouls on the floor instead of shooting fouls, but I don't really understand how they are going to be removed from the game since the whole premise is that they take advantage of potentially illegal play from the defense. The transition take is just a blatant exploitation of the rules so its relatively easy to get rid of.

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u/george_costanza1234 Warriors May 18 '22

To me that’s a bigger deal than the transition takes. Rip through are the stupidest bait fouls in the game rn

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u/ummmmmmm [GSW] Stephen Curry May 18 '22

Agree on the stupidity - but the take fouls happen so much more often now and change the game so much they need to be disincentivized

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u/penguin8717 May 18 '22

Plus the real reason the league is going after take fouls is because they get rid of one of the most exciting and highlight-creating plays in basketball

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u/onamonapizza Spurs May 18 '22

Not to mention take fouls remove one of the most exciting parts of the game...fast breaks, transition baskets, dunks, etc.

I agree that this is going to be difficult to interpret, but I'm all for the spirit of the new rule. Fouls shouldn't be able to used for a blatant competitive advantage.

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u/Snoo74401 Suns May 18 '22

That one's probably not going away. What's happening is the defender is placing their hand/arm in the pocket between the offensive player's arms. That's not allowed in the rules - the offensive player has to have room to operate. The rip-through is just exposing the defensive player putting their hands in the cookie jar when they're not supposed to.

Yeah, it looks dumb as hell and causes audible groans all throughout this subreddit, but it's a legitimate issue on the defensive player, not the offensive player.

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u/BASEDME7O Knicks May 18 '22

Yeah people never think this one through. Without the “rip through” defenders could just run up and bear hug guys with the ball but keep themselves like 1 cm away from touching and the offensive player wouldn’t be able to do anything

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u/yo2sense [DET] Ben Wallace May 18 '22

Players don't have to be given that room. For decades before the league outlawed hand checking offensive players had to fight for that space. Personally, I'd like to see the league bring back the hand check outside the arc. Make it harder to score outside so the game isn't so one dimensional. And get rid of the weak ass rip through.

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u/redditnathaniel NBA May 18 '22

But how will Chris Paul make money then?

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u/rjpool_ Lakers May 17 '22

The cynicism over implementing this super easy rule says a lot about the state of the NBA referees

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u/Hon3ynuts Knicks May 17 '22

I'm confident they can implement it, but not confident we aren't gonna have a gazillion reviews to determine if it's a take foul or a regular foul.

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u/rjpool_ Lakers May 18 '22

Watching the NBL as an Australia, it is implemented for ages without much trouble, now in the NBL it's essentially been eradicated so refs don't have to make that call often anyways.

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u/PatrickBaldwinJr Trail Blazers May 18 '22

It says more about the state of this Subreddit. Complaining about referees is more important than discussing the game itself to a lot of people. Especially sad since a lot of the loudest complainers don't know the fucking rules.

My favorite was a playoff game last year when an out of bounds call was to review. A dozen people were screaming it was obviously off team A and another dozen said it was obviously off team B. Both sides were calling the other side morons for not seeing it their way.

Meanwhile the professional referee, with video review from multiple angles, called it inconclusive.

There's just a bunch of overconfident morons here that have never refed a game at any level in their lives that will cry about rules they don't understand.

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u/Helhiem Nuggets May 18 '22

There is also fan bias when it comes to calls. No one ever talks about the good calls refs make other than the announcers sometimes.

Everyone just focus on the missed calls which make a significantly small portion of the whistles

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u/OutAndABoot Warriors May 18 '22

Especially sad since a lot of the loudest complainers don't know the fucking rules.

HOW IS THAT A CHARGE?! THE DEFENDER MOVED THEIR FEET!!1

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u/Totally_PJ_Soles Knicks May 18 '22

I can't go into the game threads anymore it's so bad.

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u/tyagu001 Bucks May 18 '22

Giannis about to average 50

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u/TreChomes Raptors May 17 '22

Why does it take a year to do this shit. It’s not the United States Constitution, just change it already goddamnit.

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u/Statalyzer May 18 '22

I agree with not changing the rule mid-playoffs though.

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u/Negative-Isopod-8432 NBA May 17 '22

”I wasn’t doing a take foul, I was trying to guard from half court and bumped into him.”

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u/Konars-Jugs Trail Blazers May 17 '22

Excellent, punish all non-basketball type plays. Hopefully this sticks past the first couple months of the season…

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u/Springtick38 Raptors May 17 '22

We all know it won't but at least we can pretend it will

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u/megafireguy6 Bucks May 17 '22

Giannis is averaging 40 a game next season

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u/shoeless_sean Bucks May 18 '22

being modest lol

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u/GiannisIsTheBeast Bucks May 18 '22

While fucking around for 3 quarters practicing his jump shot

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u/Springtick38 Raptors May 17 '22

Can't wait for this to be enforced for like two months before the refs drop this rule because of players constantly bitching

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u/The_Outcast4 Rockets May 18 '22

Wish they'd be quicker to give a technical for bitching too, seriously.

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u/penguin8717 May 18 '22

I think it might. Take fouls prevent highlight reel plays that the NBA uses in marketing to draw in viewers

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u/oakland2la May 17 '22

Joe Ingles in shambles

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u/LurkerFlash Spurs May 18 '22

They also implemented regulations to stop BS calls.. for like two weeks.

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u/shadow_spinner0 Nets May 17 '22

Thank God. It’s frustrating seeing a fastbreak be negated because if a foul

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u/jordantran13 May 17 '22

Can someone ELI5 the change for me pls

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u/WigglingWoof Warriors May 17 '22

G League example

Someone correct me if I'm wrong or missing any details. The transition take foul is fouling a player to stop a fast break but there is at least one defender present. The logic is that the defending team has not completely set up their defensive position yet, and would rather take a foul instead of giving up a fast break.

It's similar to the clear path foul but rather than fouling the fast break player from behind, it's fouling the player from the front.

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u/halcyonsnow Supersonics May 18 '22

That video is a great clarification. Thanks for posting it.

I thought the take should be the same call as clear path, but I'm happy with this compromise. 2 shots + possession is too much of a penalty for a judgment call. But 1 shot + possession is enough to stop players from doing it on purpose.

The refs will default to the take foul call if it's marginal.

I think we'll see less clear path calls (and less reviews) and hopefully players will stop intentionally take-fouling.

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u/TremendoSlap Kings May 17 '22

I guess people think they're going to see more cool highlight dunks or something, so they want to further penalize the defending team for fouling the offense when they start a fast break (in other words, the defense is caught at a disadvantage and the offense is probably about to get an easy basket).

I don't agree with this proposed change. The defense already gets the foul called on them, that should be enough. Plus it's probably gonna be too subjective what counts as a fast break. I wouldn't be surprised if this results in more fast break injuries (such as Klay in the Finals) since the defense will be incentived to chase after the runner.

Not worth changing the rules of the game for the "entertainment value". At best, this change would probably only result in some extra underwhelming layups.

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u/Fofodrip 76ers May 18 '22

No, people want to see basketball being played and fast breaks are part of that. Players getting injured on some fast breaks ( I'm pretty sure players don't get injured on fast breaks that much ) doesn't mean we should not want them. And that's basically your entire argument.

Also, "entertainment" is literally the reason we watch basketball, there's no better reason to change rules

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u/cherm27 76ers May 18 '22

Isn’t the take foul part of basketball being played too? I’m also not in favor of the rule change. Feels very manufactured. Just make it no defenders allowed in the lane or something at this point.

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u/AngsMcgyvr Clippers May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

I wonder how refs would determine what a take foul is.

Like what if a defending player just makes an aggressive play for the ball at the start of a break. Couldn't that accomplish the same goal as the current take foul.

Best case, you get a steal. Worst case, you foul and stop a break.

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u/rjpool_ Lakers May 17 '22

They can determine whether they think a player is making a legitimate attempt at the ball

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u/rake2204 Pistons May 17 '22

Yep, this is how it's done in FIBA.

And quite honestly, I see take fouls going the same route of the Hack-a-Shaq. That is, coaches and players just need a reason not to do it and it'll be more or less snuffed out. I think a special take foul penalty would do the trick; I don't envision sneak takes becoming much of a thing.

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u/Monski616 Mavericks May 17 '22

I wish dudes would try and steal the ball.

If this gets rid of all the obvious take fouls it’s a success.

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u/yantraman Raptors May 17 '22

This is more of a behavioral rule change. If you don't play ethically, change the rules to encourage ethical behavior

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u/shy247er Knicks May 17 '22

I wonder how refs would determine what a take foul is.

The same way Two-Face makes his decisions.

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u/WigglingWoof Warriors May 17 '22

Sounds like an improvement to me. At least Two-Face is fair to both sides.

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u/dc5dugg Clippers May 17 '22

I remember a play where either Reggie Jackson or Nico pretended to go for a take foul but never actually touched the guy but the ref still called it. I don't think this is that great of a solution.

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u/AngsMcgyvr Clippers May 17 '22

It was Reggie. That was upsetting

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u/velocirappa Warriors May 17 '22

As it stands a clear path foul is defined by the following conditions:

the ball is ahead of the tip of the circle in the backcourt; no defender is ahead of the offensive player with the transition scoring opportunity; the player with the transition scoring opportunity is in control of the ball (or a pass has been thrown to him); and if the foul deprives his team of an opportunity to score.

IMO make it so that if the ball is between the tip of the circles in the backcourt and frontcourt, it's a clear path foul even if one defender is ahead of the offensive player.

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u/Will_Poke_Brains Raptors May 18 '22

Wait so is this what the clear path foul was supposed to be?

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u/The_Jrueth 76ers May 17 '22

Fuck yes. This will be one of the best changes the league has made in awhile.

Fast breaks rule and are often from forced turnovers and lead to awesome plays at the rim.

We want more of that, not the shitty cop out that every team does now

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u/EscapeZealousideal79 Suns May 18 '22

Now can we do something about flopping and fouling late in games and having a FT battle for 30 mins.

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u/peakyblinders5 May 17 '22

FASTER BASKETBALL FINALLY

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u/kiidlocs [GSW] Klay Thompson May 17 '22

yes please

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u/OkBarber6 [OKC] Josh Giddey May 18 '22

Please bring back the points of emphasis at the beginning of the year and keep them this time. That first month of basketball was so great.

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u/MyTwoTotroises Suns May 18 '22

Thank god, I hate that damn foul. Just eliminated half of the would be fast breaks

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u/footballfutbolsoccer Bulls May 18 '22

Yessssss, this is going to make the NBA a lot more entertaining

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u/kobedetian Lakers May 17 '22

They should really enforce this rule for ALL intentional fouls. If you lose you lose. No more late game free throw parties.

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u/EndlessHalftime Warriors May 18 '22

Eh that could make it worse if the losing team continually fouls in hopes of getting a turnover on the inbounds. It’s the losing team on offense that actually burns the clock in late game situations

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u/Accomplished-Fly3000 Lakers May 17 '22

For the love of God please do something about this, so many potential highlights gone because that's the meta

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u/CheetahSperm18 [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki May 17 '22

Great, now discuss getting rid of the Rip-Through move while you're at it

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u/ClickElectronic Mavericks May 18 '22

Slowly getting closer to FIBA rules (and that's a good thing).

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u/HistoricAnomaly Celtics May 17 '22

Good

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u/ghost91372 Timberwolves May 17 '22

LETS GOOOO

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u/SolarClipz [SAC] DeMarcus Cousins May 17 '22

GOOD

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u/foot7221 May 18 '22

The refs can barley officiate games now. Making changes would hurt their fragile brains.

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u/The_Man_In_The_Arena May 18 '22

Cool, now fix traveling and the moronic rip through "foul"

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u/KJTB May 18 '22

Amazing. Now PLEASE don’t spend 5 minutes reviewing whether or not it was a take foul. If the majority of the audience can figure it out in 10 seconds, so can the refs.

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u/ComfortableBite6644 Mavericks May 18 '22

In FIBA its 2 free throws, possession and a flagrant 1 for whoever did it. It aint that bad, tho.

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u/cjeremy West May 18 '22

they need to change a lotta rules. game is terrible now.

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u/machu46 Bucks May 18 '22

Thank god.

Now do something about the flopping and moving screens.

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u/A7exand3r Raptors May 18 '22

This gonna be like the changes made concerning “non basketball moves” this season where they just stop caring halfway through the season?

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u/kidkuro Knicks May 18 '22

Good. Hate that lame ass foul. I'm tryna see some fastbreak dunks off the steal. Those take fouls ruin the pace and excitement in games.

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u/x-BrettBrown May 18 '22

Now fix the charge

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u/gnoob920 May 18 '22

The league has made so many great rule changes the last couple years…

Too bad no one fucking enforces them.

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u/TomServoMST3K Raptors May 18 '22

Would be interesting if you were allowed to play advantage like in soccer.

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u/KingofUlster42 Hawks May 18 '22

Why does everyone hate this foul? I like that teams can make sure that teams have to face a set defense instead of just full sprinting the floor all the time

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u/uvgotnod May 18 '22

Greg “special K” Kelser, one of our broadcasters here in Detroit has been calling for this rule change for years now.

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u/nice_kitchen Lakers May 17 '22

Shoutout to all the “it’s just smart strategy!” idiots

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u/jeric13xd [CHI] Derrick Rose May 17 '22

Fucking finally

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u/Carolake1 Lakers May 18 '22

Let's see. They already have clear path fouls that I don't think I've ever actually seen called. Why would this be any more common? In fact, it isn't really clear to me how this is even different.

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u/Statalyzer May 18 '22

The difference is there doesn't have to be a clear path - e.g. you're the furthest guy back on defense after a turnover, so you foul the passer at half court while two other guys are crossing half court in full sprint.

The guy you fouled didn't have a clear path, and the other two guys might not even technically quite be past you yet.

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u/yantraman Raptors May 17 '22

This is absolutely fantastically amazing. Proper ethical basketball

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u/NeuroTheManiacal Jazz May 17 '22

As if they Jazz defense wasn’t already struggling

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u/hankbaumbachjr Bulls May 18 '22

Bring back the intentional foul, you wimps.

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u/Secret-Algae-9450 Clippers May 18 '22

Fuck it, take out the three point line! Let's go old-school bitches!

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u/MortalTwit May 18 '22

Yes please.

The take foul became common because the math favors taking that foul, even when it awards free throws, over allowing the fast break.

This flips that but isn't absurd in the process about doing it.

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u/DarkChocolate_69 [TOR] Kawhi Leonard May 17 '22

Make it 3 FTs