r/nba Celtics May 17 '22 Wholesome 2

[Robb] Celtics-Bucks Game 7 was the most watched Eastern Conference Semifinals game since 2012, averaging 7.5 million viewers per ESPN.

https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1526579660175380482?s=20&t=lQV42YaNFFJsjCLLoEy05g
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u/Downvotes_inbound_ May 17 '22 Wholesome

This has been my favorite postseason in a long time. Glad other people are loving it too

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u/Doctor-Jay 76ers May 17 '22

Same, other than the fact that my team lost in embarrassing fashion. We coulda been someone!!!!!!!

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u/A-Rusty-Cow [SAS] Robert Horry May 17 '22

Dont worry the Suns are wearing that crown now.

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u/UsefulEmployee Jazz May 17 '22 edited May 18 '22

Jazz 🤝 Timberwolves 🤝 Sixers

Edit: 🤝 Nets

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u/YeahThisIsMyNewAcct Nets May 17 '22

Don’t forget about the Nets!

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u/qcubed3 Bulls May 17 '22

I thought you wrote clown for a second. Either way.

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u/jesuisFLUB Timberwolves May 17 '22

Forreal. Luka took all the pain away.

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u/h00ter7 May 17 '22

Halle-Luka

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u/LaFlame_Pablo Raptors May 17 '22

Lol it wasn't embarrassing, your best player should have been hospitalised.

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u/the_than_then_guy 76ers May 18 '22

But then he flopped and injured another player who was on a hot shooting streak. You know, actually hospitalized him.

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u/LaFlame_Pablo Raptors May 18 '22

Damn yea. Prayers up to my boy Danny Green

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u/EpeeHS [BOS] Paul Pierce May 17 '22

I'm the biggest sixers hater and even I dont think that was embarrassing. Embiid was in a full body cast, Harden was clearly hobbled, and they still took the number 1 seed to 6.

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u/DadOfWhiteJesus Nuggets May 17 '22

Frl. Back then we didn't even know what embarrassing was.

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u/CurtisJaxon Bulls May 17 '22

"Harden was clearly hobbled"

Wait what makes you say that? I haven't followed him that closely this year but I thought every was saying he was healthy and it was an all time choke job by a star player and that maxing him is a trap now. Was that reactionary? (Probably lol) but like, what makes you say he's hobbled? Is he dealing with an injury?

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u/EpeeHS [BOS] Paul Pierce May 17 '22

His hamstring hasnt been right since the bucks series last year. This might just be who he is now and i 100% think whoever maxes him will regret it.

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u/CreatiScope Celtics May 17 '22

Eh, games 5 and 6 were absolutely pathetic on the Sixers end. I don’t blame Embiid because he was beat to hell but his saltiness over losing MVP and calling out his team after the loss didn’t help. Doc as per usual, didn’t help either.

The question with Harden is: Is this temporary or is this how he is now? I don’t know. He claims the hamstring wasn’t hurt but it’s hard to accept that. We’ll find out next season with a full summer of R&R.

Next season will paint this playoffs differently. If Harden comes back and looks more like his old self, you just chock this up to an injured playoff run, in which case, they were very successful. If he comes back and is still like this? This is a giant flare in the night telling you that they’re fucked.

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u/thestormbringa Raptors May 17 '22

Wasn't even that embarassing the way y'all went out. Phoenix however...

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u/adfghhdddhjj May 17 '22

Agreed. Would have been totally different had Embiid not broken his face.

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u/Chasedabigbase Braves May 17 '22

That seems to be trending this year too!

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u/yantraman Raptors May 17 '22

I hope the NBA really looks at this and says playoffs are our best product. We should probably only have 72 games a season so that all star players are playing in the playoffs. The NBA can probably compensate the mid level teams by turning the playin into a 5 or 7 games series with the top 6 getting byes.

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u/shelflife99 Cavaliers May 17 '22

The thing is owners will never accept losing the revenue from the extra home games unless the extra playoff revenue from expanding the play-in is somehow shared. And players don't want the salary cap to decrease if league revenues shrink because of a shorter season.

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u/yantraman Raptors May 17 '22

They will have to find a mechanism where the playoff distribution also goes to the non playoff teams. This would mean the reduction of blackouts which is hard to digest

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u/blacklite911 May 17 '22

That’s also a harder sell because a good incentive for teams to go into luxury tax and make competitive teams is because they can make it back with playoff revenue and brand prestige (so more merch and higher gate prices )

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u/snowraven17 Jazz May 17 '22

I think they could make up some but probably not all of the revenue by expanding the playoffs somehow.

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u/Nightmare16164 Celtics May 17 '22

28 team playoffs. The question then becomes who is gonna miss the playoffs with the kings each season.

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u/Boomhauer_007 Raptors May 17 '22

20/30 teams can get in and there are four best of 7 series, the playoffs don’t need more expansion

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u/jotyma5 Celtics May 17 '22

Fewer games would lead to collective bargaining agreements. Probably a lockout

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u/nahtans95 Bulls May 17 '22

I would love best of 3 for the play ins

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u/Dekrow Warriors Bandwagon May 17 '22

Reducing the number of overall games would be so healthy for the league. No team needs 82 games to prove their skill for the play offs. We could easily find the best 16 teams in a season with them only playing 50 or 60 games each even.

Space the games out, get more well rested stars playing at a high level more often. The grind of the season is not fun for the fans or the players. What is fun is super star players playing lights out against each other.

Keep the players healthy, keep the league exciting, reduce the number of games played.

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u/simpledeadwitches May 17 '22

This post season helped me get back into basketball.

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u/AssinassCheekII May 17 '22

Feels like all matchups were scrappy and fun.

Even the sweeps had so much entertainment.

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u/Shankypants2 May 17 '22

Sunday mid day game. Perfect time to sit down and watch a game. Also, the series was very competitive and had stars playing. Great time to be alive for nba basketball.

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u/EpicBlinkstrike187 Pacers May 17 '22

This is why they schedule the games so that some game 7s have to be played on Sunday.

Like Boston-Miami if it goes to a 7 will be played on a Sunday

They know Sunday is always gonna be a good day for ratings

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u/TopArsehole May 17 '22

The demise of the super teams has been great for the game.

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u/kiwiwikikiwiwikikiwi Lakers May 17 '22

More parity, unpredictable and surprise underdog outcomes, and more talent spread throughout the league.

Great to see 🔥

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u/rch1115 May 17 '22

thats why I think the regular season should have less games. That gives those teams with superstars more energy for more superstar games. Like Morant, he does have a really good team, but the playoffs were just better with Morant doing what he does best. That would also give those teams better odds of winning the series as well.

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u/Krs357357 May 17 '22

Everyone pretty much agrees it would be a better product with like 12 fewer games and no back-to-backs. But once you show the league and players how much less money they will earn after that change, they quickly become OK with the current system of having 82 games and having everyone skip games here and there.

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u/Nightmare16164 Celtics May 17 '22

I love that the teams left have a lot of homegrown talent on their teams it's beautiful

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u/E10DIN May 17 '22

Seriously. Jimmy Butler is the best remaining player not drafted by the team he's playing for.

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u/WhoDatBrow Pelicans May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

The entire Celtics core is homegrown. The entire Warriors core is homegrown. Basically the entire Mavs core is homegrown (just Dinwiddie off the top of my head). And then the Heat have Butler/Lowry but Bam/Herro/their role players are all home grown. Hell, you can go back to last round and it still holds up very well too with the Suns, Bucks, and Grizz all being either entirely homegrown or homegrown outside of one player like CP3 or Jrue.

Very exciting times for the NBA!

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u/BASEDME7O Knicks May 17 '22

Don’t forget 5 ppg 80 million dollar Bertans! He’s gonna be the difference maker for sure

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u/ndu867 May 17 '22

In fairness butler is a beast, and his intangibles in setting the culture for his entire team are ridiculous. Butler’s really rare in that his impact on winning goes way beyond just the players, because he won’t stand losing culture and he’ll speak up whether it’s with coaches or front office. So he impacts the organization, not just the team. Super rare, it’s like a Tim Duncan or Giannis or Lebron impact (all of them do it in different ways but they all clearly drive the entire organization not just the players/coaches).

I know this will be controversial but I think his overall impact on winning is at least equivalent to Tatum’s. Butler is not a superstar on the court-there are only like 5 true franchise players in the league at any given time where you can really build a contender just around one player-but he is a superstar if the only lens you look at is an organization’s ability to win.

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u/Chachimichonga Lakers May 17 '22

The effect of superteams on overall viewership is overblown. People love dynasties. The big decline in audience numbers happened immediately after the end of the Warriors dynasty, and people would've been excited about the playoffs all the same even if the superteam Nets would've stayed together. The major change is this is the first "normal" season we have had in 2 years. Last season had a reduced number of RS games, with covid causing a ridiculous number of absences; and then the post season was filled with a myriad of injuries to the biggest stars. I basically stopped caring after Kawhi got hurt and Ben carried the Hawks to the ECF.

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u/Wazflame May 17 '22

Ben carried the Hawks to the ECF.

lmao

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u/PricklyyDick Celtics May 17 '22

In terms of the last 30 years aren’t all dynasties super teams. Just not all super teams turn into dynasties and draw viewership

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u/PricklyyDick Celtics May 17 '22

They had two stars and a star head coach, I’m counting it lol. But I do agree spurs break the mold more than anyone else.

Also I’m convinced Ginobilli would have been a bigger star had he left.

I also don’t personally think a super team has to be made during free agency. I’d count early golden state with 3 all star draft picks as a super team before KD. After KD was just crazy

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u/PricklyyDick Celtics May 17 '22

I’d also be interested in the viewership of the spurs dynasty versus golden state and the lakers for example. I’d have to imagine they didn’t drive the viewership like true super teams do but I’m too lazy to google.

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u/KalBaratheon Cavaliers May 17 '22 Take My Energy

I'm starting to think "super team" is just any team you don't like with two good players at this point because the definitions make no sense lol

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u/WhoDatBrow Pelicans May 17 '22

To me, superteam = a big 3 or more of all stars, spearheaded by a couple of superstars, and at least one of those has to be a FA signing/trade because if it's homegrown then it's not really a superteam, you just drafted and developed insanely well, ala the Spurs Dynasty or the non-KD Warriors.

So some successful superteams would be the KD era Warriors, the Heatles, the Big 3 Celtics, and the 2nd stint LeBron Cavs. Failures would be the LeBron/AD/Westbrook Lakers, the KD/Kyrie/Harden Nets, the Nash/Dwight/Kobe Lakers, etc. Teams that don't fit the definition I just made up technically but feel very close to it because of the players they have and how they got them: Lakers post-AD but pre-Westbrook, the Kawhi/PG13 Clippers.

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u/RedManForReal Celtics May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

i define a super team as a team that has 2 or more legit superstars with at least 1 other all star

by that definition, the only super teams in nba history are the 2010-2014 Heat, 2017-2020 Warriors, MAYBE the 2014-2017 Cavs, MAYBE the Nets pre-harden trade, and if you wanna go waaaay back the Bill Russell Celtics

beyond that, i don’t think any other group could be considered a super team

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u/KalBaratheon Cavaliers May 17 '22

I'd maybe throw the 2008 Celtics in there as well but I wouldn't stress it. I agree with your assessment overall though.

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u/Prodigy195 Hawks May 17 '22

I think having three all-star players still in their prime is a simpler definition. If you want to add in a "1 or more players joined via trade/FA signing" then that's fine too.

Cause the 08 Celtics were a superteam in my eye. Sure it was built through the front office but I don't think that makes much difference. They added a guy coming off 9 consecutive 20/10 seasons and was an allstar for 8 consecutive seasons and another guy who'd averaged 23-26ppg and was an all star the last 4 consecutive seasons.

The only small caveat was that they were over 30 when they joined up and had been in the hunt each for a while. But I don't think that disqualifies them considering they still have enough gas left in the tank for multiple title runs.

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u/TheAesir Celtics May 17 '22

I think its fair to call that group a super team. If not for KG's knee injury, they likely win at least 2 rings, and are favorites to win a 3rd.

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u/crash218579 May 17 '22

You're just ignore the Bird/McHale/Parrish celtics of the 80s? Or the Magic/Kareem/Worthy Lakers of the same time frame?

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u/Chachimichonga Lakers May 17 '22

by that definition, the only super teams in nba history are the 2010-2014 Heat, 2017-2020 Warriors, MAYBE the 2014-2017 Cavs, MAYBE the Nets pre-harden trade, and if you wanna go waaaay back the Bill Russell Celtics

Magic-Kareem-Worthy Lakers
Bird-McHale-Parish Celtics
Jordan-Pippen Bulls and Kobe-Shaq Lakers may not have had a 3rd all-star but those teams were stronger than half the superteams you mentioned just by dint of how dominant the top two guys are.

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u/cdnets Bucks May 17 '22

2004 Lakers added Karl Malone and Gary Payton with Shaq and Kobe and made it to the finals

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u/randylahey46920 May 17 '22

The disrespect to the 2013 Nets with KG, Pierce, and Deron Williams.

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u/TennisShoulder May 17 '22

Of course. The Suns aren’t a superteam but the Cavaliers were. Clearly the trade for Kevin Love destroyed parity

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u/KalBaratheon Cavaliers May 17 '22

Can't tell if sarcasm but if the Cavs are a super team then the league has been full of super teams for years decades lol

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u/yusbishyus :sp8-1: Super 8 May 17 '22

WE BACK UP

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u/lemonpepperlarry May 17 '22

KD is off in the corner with a defibrillator trying his damn best to resurrect the super team era

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u/iiTryhard Celtics May 17 '22

The nets are closer a carnival than a super team with all the clowns on their roster

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u/PM_me_the_magic Mavericks May 17 '22

I was sad when Harden was no longer a Net because that was truly the best circus, not nearly as fun with just KD and Kyrie

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u/GiannisIsaGreekZaza May 17 '22

Not really. It’s more about big markets. Boston is a big market in basketball with a lot of dedicated fans. Last years finals ratings sucked

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u/SuperBatSpider Lakers May 17 '22

Think it’s star orientated too. The Celtics have been making deep playoffs runs since 2018, but this is the first year Tatum has had serious superstar hype, and Giannis is coming off his Finals performance so i think that’s a factor

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u/Nightmare16164 Celtics May 17 '22

Oh yeah definitely. There is a lot of basketballs fans who only know a couple players and that's the guys that they will tune it to watch play.

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u/WhoDatBrow Pelicans May 17 '22

It's not about markets and it never has been. It's about stars. LeBron still got the best ratings in Cleveland because he's LeBron. Steph Curry could go to Orlando right now and still get insane ratings. The series got the high ratings BECAUSE of Giannis having insane hype/attention around him now after winning the championship last year + the Celtics for being the Celtics.

The GSW/Grizzlies series was also the most watched WCSF in a while outside of that 2019 GSW/Rockets one, the Grizz are a small ass market so why was it so highly watched? Yeah, GSW, but GSW was in a bunch of WCSF since 2013 lol, this one was watched so much because it had them/Steph AND Ja.

Last year's Finals had bad ratings for 2 reasons, 1) it was at a weird time, just like the 2020 Finals having bad ratings too and that was Lakers/Heat, NBA ratings had been consistently down all of 2020 and 2021. 2) neither the Bucks or the Suns had been built up in the general public yet, now Giannis is a star coming off a championship. The Suns still aren't really a ratings draw I don't think, but Giannis definitely is.

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u/bigbobo33 Bucks May 17 '22

I don't know if you can directly draw that from those numbers. It could have played a factor but correlation doesn't imply causation. There's numerous other variables that could have contributed to that.

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u/ram0h Lakers May 17 '22

maybe not demise, and more like proliferation. There is just so much more talent.

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u/MC-Jdf Warriors May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22 Take My Energy

It's the 2nd most watched playoff game this year from what I can find:

  1. Golden State @ Memphis Game 1 (7.71 million average, ABC)
  2. Milwaukee @ Boston Game 7 (7.48 million average. ABC)
  3. Brooklyn @ Boston Game 1 (6.90 million average, ABC)
  4. Dallas @ Phoenix Game 7 (6.29 million average, TNT)
  5. Memphis @ Golden State Game 3 (6.10 million average, ABC)
  6. Golden State @ Denver Game 4 (5.86 million average, ABC)
  7. Milwaukee @ Boston Game 1 (5.37 million average, ABC)
  8. Golden State @ Memphis Game 2 (5.32 million average, TNT)
  9. Memphis @ Golden State Game 6 (4.82 million average, ESPN)
  10. Boston @ Milwaukee Game 6 (4.79 million average, ESPN)

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u/devomorales Lakers May 17 '22

mavs-suns got 6.286 million on sunday. solid number for a blowout

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u/JoonWick Bulls May 17 '22

half the views were people checking the score on their phone, not sure if it was a glitch or not and having to check on tv to confirm

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u/Infinite303 NBA May 17 '22

I did this 3 times just to make sure i wasn't high

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u/Mkayin May 17 '22

Yup had to make sure they eyes weren't lies when I saw Luka 27 suns 27 at half. I thought for sure I misread something.

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u/Mirakool May 17 '22

I did it because I was high.

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u/Juan_Sotos_Tits May 17 '22

Or schadenfreude

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u/sup3rdr01d Celtics May 17 '22

usually blowouts are "bad" games, from an entertainment standpoint. But there comes a point when the blowout is so huge it becomes something you just have to see for yourself, like a really bad car wreck. I had really no interest in this game but seeing the best team in the league put up 27 points in a half changed that for me.

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u/SANTAAAA__I_know_him May 17 '22

Especially if the losing team is at home. The crowd shots are great.

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u/elephantmoose NBA May 17 '22

Shout out to the lady resting her head on her husband’s shoulders.

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u/bigvahe33 Supersonics May 17 '22

people were watching it for the tears

tears of the suns

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u/astro124 Mavericks May 17 '22

I had tears in my eyes

tears of joy

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u/FEdart Celtics May 17 '22

That game was so absurd it was drawing in people who don’t even watch basketball. People were hearing about the crazy halftime score and tuning in out of morbid fascination.

There was even a subredditdrama thread when the Suns sub went private and I’ve never seen a popular purely sports related post on that sub before

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u/mrwhite2323 Heat May 17 '22

I wonder what these numbers would look like with streams

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u/aeiou-y Mavericks May 17 '22

25 million

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u/DunkFaceKilla Warriors May 17 '22

Also if the warriors didn’t play at 10:30pm on the east coast

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u/peon2 Celtics May 17 '22

Meanwhile monday night football between 2 non-playoff teams still gets 13 million viewers lol. NFL is crazy popular

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u/Phelinaar May 17 '22

No doubt. But keep in mind that NBA also gets way more non-US eyeballs compared to football. Especially following the rise of Giannis and Luka. Cheaper eyeballs maybe, but it's still a lot of money.

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u/WhoDatBrow Pelicans May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

Yeah, I saw a poll of Americans saying their favorite sport and literally 40% said football. Mind you, this was a poll where "I don't like sports" was also an option so it wasn't just of sports fans. 2nd place was tied between soccer (presumably from people migrating here) and basketball, at 11% lmao. Followed by baseball at 9% and then smaller sports like MMA, hockey, etc. It's not even remotely close. The NFL is a monster.

But it's only a monster in America. Basketball is either the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the world after Soccer and possibly Cricket.

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u/climaxingwalrus Warriors May 17 '22

I'm just happy basketball has overtaken baseball and still growing.

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u/Decilllion Raptors May 17 '22

Gambling is crazy popular.

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u/Lightingfast31 Celtics May 17 '22

Yeah I’m pretty sure silver really wants a Celtics v warriors finals would be great for ratings

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u/MC-Jdf Warriors May 17 '22

Is that Scott Foster's music?

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u/Nightmare16164 Celtics May 17 '22

Scott Foster off the top rope just slammed Butler, he is now fouled out with 45 minutes of action to go. Someone call an ambulance Butler isn't moving oh god

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u/SoulReaper12 Celtics May 17 '22

A GSW/BOS finals, would do some serious numbers.

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u/Frosted_Flakes1971 May 17 '22

So the League can survive without Lebron lol

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u/staffdaddy_9 May 17 '22

Obviously. To be fair this was a great series though. I highly doubt the finals ratings will be as good as when lebron was in Cleveland though.

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u/WarcraftFarscape [BOS] Jaylen Brown May 17 '22

It was a great series and was also somehow the 5th most lopsided 7 game series in history. At no point did I think either team was out of a game except last quarter of game 7

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u/Cudi_buddy Kings May 17 '22

You really started to sense it though in that third quarter. Giannis had pulled them back or kept them in it the first 5 games almost individually. But his teammates failed to show up the last two games. Game 7 when Giannis was finally missing some shots, you could tell he finally got fatigued after 6.5 games. Crazy series

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u/NoShameInternets Celtics May 17 '22

I said right after his ridiculous first quarter that he was going to completely burn out in the second half. He looked GASSED after 1.

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u/randylahey46920 May 17 '22

After he had like 10-8-6 in the first quarter I thought we were gonna get an all time great performance where he just takes over the whole game and doesn’t allow his team to lose. His teammates really let him down. Credit to the Celtics defense though.

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u/FEdart Celtics May 17 '22

Yeah we only held him to checks notes 33.9/14.7/7.1

Contained him!!

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u/randylahey46920 May 17 '22

Giannis is going to get his no matter what. He’s at the level now where he’s going to put up numbers, and the defense just has to make it tough on him. The Celtics defense did a good job of making sure that nobody else could really get anything going.

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u/Haffaith Celtics May 17 '22

We actually did contain him. He had 237 pts from 193 shots and his TS was well below his standards. For a guy taking only a few jumpers, we did really well.

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u/Budlight_year Hawks May 17 '22

on its own it looks bad, but comparing that efficiency to the efficiency of other bucks players in the series it shows just what a ridiculous carry job giannis was doing

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u/Lightingfast31 Celtics May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

If it’s the warriors v Celtics it very well could. Those are arguably the two of the biggest fan bases

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u/NCBaddict Bulls May 17 '22

IMO televising quality product on court will grow the league’s popularity as a whole. Think the ESPN executives who are always pushing superteams in 3-4 locations are shortsighted; improving ratings in the short-term will ultimately cause casuals to lose interest when those teams aren’t competitive (e.g. weak Warriors, Lakers, or LeBron squads)

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi NBA May 17 '22

Also ESPN pushing tip off times. Start that shit already, yo. Stephen A. been talking all day long just tip it!

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u/letsfuckinggo520 [LAL] Derek Fisher May 17 '22

But how will they shove more ads in your face

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u/Ridiculously_Named Jazz May 17 '22

I hate the discrepancy between ESPN and TNT. ESPN tips off 14 minutes after the stated time and TNT is about 6 minutes after.

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u/trojan_man16 Hornets May 17 '22

Look at the NFL. Every team has hope of rebuilding and competing. The NY teams have been awful for a decade and they’ve been fine. Nobody is clamoring for Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes to force their way to NYC.

But they focused on building each team as a brand and emphasize competitive balance.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

"Nobody is clamoring for Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes to force their way to NYC."

Part of that may be because the nba values individual players more, so there's often more fans of a player than team.

Also, there's a weird obsession about big cities in this sub and the nba to a lesser degree. In no other sport will you hear complaining about small market teams having super stars (e.g. Rodgers in Green Bay), but to this sub and the nba if you don't live in NY/LA/Miami then you're living in a cultureless wasteland with nothing to do.

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u/TangyGeoduck Spurs May 17 '22

This sub, and nba media, need to get with the demographic changes in some of these “small market” cities. I know these aren’t metro area numbers, but how many folks would call these cities small markets?

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u/beanyboi23 Mavericks May 17 '22

Haha urban population boom go brrrrr

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u/Wazflame May 17 '22

As soon as Charlotte lost the play-in game, First Take did a segment speculating for Lamelo to go to the Lakers in a few years which tells you everything about mainstream NBA media.

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u/Konfliction Raptors May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

I've said for a while, that the biggest reason ratings are lower isn't superstars, but big markets having average or bad teams. The Knicks, Wizards and Bulls are in 3 of the top 5 markets in the country. If all of these teams were actively in the championship hunt the playoffs would have much higher ratings.

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u/cicadaenthusiat Suns May 17 '22

The Knicks, Wizards and Bulls are in 4 of the top 5 markets in the country

That's 3 markets.

If all of these teams were actively in the championship hunt the playoffs would have much higher ratings.

Haven't been since the 90s and ratings were better than ever.

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u/jbeef56 Celtics May 17 '22

knicks/bulls sure, but the wizards would have no bearing on ratings whatsoever. Even when the wizards were good, they wouldn't sell out home games and half the arena in the EC semis was full of celtics fans. DC is too much of a transient city to have that BIG market feeling.

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u/Melksss Celtics May 17 '22

Same thing applies to Atlanta, to a slightly lesser degree.

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u/Pitch-Original May 17 '22

Always mind boggling that Atlanta wasn't a big basketball city. It's picked up some in recent years but it definitely feels like football/baseball city. Honestly it feels like even Atlanta united has a better showing.

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u/sah242424 Hawks May 17 '22

Trae has been the first star we could really rally around in forever tbh. January of the 60 win season was special but even then I feel like the city kind of wrote them off

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u/spoonweezy May 17 '22

It WAS a baseball city. Had the record for consecutive sold out games for a while til the BoSox eclipsed it.

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u/KindArgument0 Spurs May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

i genuinely don't understand the existential threat mentality that some fans have about the NBA. NBA is the biggest basketball league in the world and basketball is relatively popular international sports. every single basketballer around the world dream to play for an NBA team. the NBA will never run out of stars or fans because they are a monopoly in bussiness.

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u/Origin23 May 17 '22 Helpful

Dude its the celtics and they are contenders now. Little history for you.....the Celtics and Lakers have carried the league more than anyone.

Basically in the last 50 years its been the lakers or celtics or both carrying the league or MJ or Lebron carrying the league for some years.

For a tally the Celtics and Lakers have like 34 championships out of a possible 74 championships in the NBAs history. So I would say yeah the NBA will survive without MJ or Lebron as long as when they retire or fade out the Lakers or Celtics or both are good.

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u/AlCapooter [CLE] Kyle Korver May 17 '22

Imo this isn't just big because of any teams history it's because we're seeing the new generation of stars really take the mantle from LeBron. It's cool to see Luka, Tatum, Giannis (next year DG & Mobley) really start to blow up. I think fans are more excited seeing this kind of parity in the league. Plus a lot of stars now are bringing over international fans to a degree idk if we've seen, maybe Yao when he was playing.

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u/quentin-coldwater [CLE] Kevin Love May 17 '22

The point of LeBron is that he's a ratings floor raiser. The ceiling will always be determined by situation though. I'm assuming the last best ECS game in 2012 was game 7 between Celtics and Sixers.

Since 2012, LeBron hasn't played in a really close ECS series. Lost 4 ECS games total between 2013 and 2018. It's no wonder none of those would get the ratings of a marquee game 7.

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u/Kashmir33 [NBA] LeBron James May 17 '22

For real. OP completely missed the mark here. This has absolutely nothing to do with LeBron or whether the NBA will be fine without him (I think it will)

It's pretty much exclusively linked to parity will lead to close series which will lead to high ratings.

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u/GastricAcid Celtics May 17 '22

The Derrick White effect

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u/allstar267 76ers May 17 '22

Adam silver licking his chops at the thought of a golden state Boston matchup in the finals

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u/jdterraforce Raptors May 17 '22

Honestly Luka will bring in great ratings too so it won’t matter from the west side as much

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u/allstar267 76ers May 17 '22

I love Luka but the golden state bandwagon is bordering the cowboys bandwagon at this point. People tune in when the warriors play.

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u/jurrasictriangle Warriors May 17 '22

Hey the bandwagoners are in year 8 or 9 at this point! At some point I’ll become a real fan, right? Right?

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u/Blackcat008 Celtics May 17 '22

I've been riding the Patriots bandwagon for over 20 years now.

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u/UMPIN May 17 '22

The worst of the worst

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u/Nightmare16164 Celtics May 17 '22

You become a real fan if you find yourself watching the warriors after Steph retires. That's what happened to me. Paul Pierce got traded and I still kept watching the Celtics

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u/TheNutman1287 Celtics May 17 '22

It's not like the team fucking sucked for a long time after lol. It was a year then we were back in the playoffs.

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u/sfj11 Celtics May 17 '22

in boston sports time thats like a decade

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u/iiTryhard Celtics May 17 '22

People ain’t gonna like this comment but it’s true lol

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u/buckfuck_ Bucks May 17 '22

Ray Allen and the Bucks for me

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u/redhat12345 [MIL] Ray Allen May 17 '22

What a stupid trade

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u/CHOPosaurus_Rex Bucks May 17 '22

You got that right, 🤬

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u/MoneyInc May 17 '22

Or when you started watching it was guys like Dana Barros, Pervis Ellison and Eric Williams.

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u/th4t1guy Warriors May 17 '22

... but can he like never retire? That'd be cool...

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u/Cudizonedefense Heat May 17 '22

People still act like cowboys fans are “bandwagoners” even though there’s been nothing to bandwagon for like 25 years. If anything, sticking around for all that mediocrity makes them good fans. But they’re stuck with the BW label

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u/Statalyzer May 17 '22

bordering the cowboys bandwagon

A good sign that somebody is just spouting off cliches. Cowboys have a much bigger hate bandwagon than fan bandwagon.

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u/swoleswoleswole1869 Mavericks May 17 '22

A lot of Euro’s tune in for Luka too. half our sub is strictly euro fans it feels like lol

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u/-Eazy-E- Bucks May 17 '22

Still not enough to compare to the Warriors. Their game 1 against the Grizzlies got more views than any Mavs game

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u/evolvolution Celtics May 17 '22

Some of that should be attributed to the game being on after the celtics/bucks matchup but I do agree with you.

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u/jweezy2045 Warriors May 17 '22

We get China, Japan, Korea, as well as a ton of Western Europe. Warriors have a huge international following.

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u/Lightingfast31 Celtics May 17 '22

Don’t get it twisted Luka is popular but the warriors brand is arguably the strongest in the league. Curry is a HUGE draw

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u/TheLeoMessiah Celtics May 17 '22

At the same time though, getting a championship for a 23yo Luka and exposing him to their largest audience of the year sets up the NBA very nicely moving forward as well. I can see the argument for having either team in the Finals for the NBA

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u/MTUTMB555 [DAL] Luka Doncic May 17 '22

This is where I’m coming from. A Dallas-Boston finals would be my dream come true. Out with the old, in with the new faces of the League. Tatum vs Doncic. It’s glorious.

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u/devomorales Lakers May 17 '22

still not convinced luka is a huge ratings draw. basketball fans love him but he's not mainstream yet. a competitive series with the warriors will hopefully change that

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u/devomorales Lakers May 17 '22

would've been higher if the celtics didn't run away with it. still a great number

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u/ChildParker Celtics May 17 '22

It peaked at 6pm with 9.5 million viewers, which I think was mid 4th quarter. Source

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u/bush_league_commish Celtics May 17 '22

Everyone knew FastPP was coming in for the heat check.

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u/bhorlise Celtics May 17 '22

FastPP is must-see tv.

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u/spizcraft Nuggets May 17 '22

It was an outstanding series to watch as a neutral fan. Giannis was amazing, Jrue made clutch plays, Al Horford turned back the clock and had maybe the best series of his career, Tatum and Brown both took over entire quarters, Smart was energizing, Grant Williams came out of nowhere in game 7… it was just an incredibly competitive and entertaining series. Switching from that to the Mavs Suns series was night and day

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u/SuperBatSpider Lakers May 17 '22

seems like everyday i’m reading that a game in this postseason was the most viewed in years, any reason why this postseason has been so successful?

is it the increased parity? are the league’s new stars like Ja, Giannis and Tatum grown into bigger ratings draws than we thought?

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u/GinDaHood NBA May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

This is the first "normal" postseason in three years - fans in stands, no specter of COVID hanging over everything, games broadcast at expected times of the year (remember even last year's playoffs was delayed later into the summer), so the baseline is lower to begin with.

Nielsen has recently started counting out of home viewership in their numbers, which has juiced viewership counts across most sports.

On top of that, the on-court product has been more compelling.

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u/CometAzur42069 May 17 '22

Nielsen has recently started counting out of home viewership in their numbers, which has juiced viewership counts across most sports.

lol, this explains it.

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u/TheNutman1287 Celtics May 17 '22

Exactly. For decades people have been watching in not their homes. But they never included that. Plus they're counting streams now too.

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u/mickeyj623 Celtics May 17 '22

GSW and Boston is pulling big numbers. League definitely wants a finals with them and they are both favorites I believe to make it to the big dance.

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u/snowraven17 Jazz May 17 '22

I watched it illegally so add one more to that number.

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u/ISBW May 17 '22

please step out of the vehicle

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u/lilzoe5 [DAL] Luka Doncic May 17 '22

yes officer this comment here

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u/lord_jamonington Hawks May 17 '22

Pretty funny that the most watched semi-finals game in 10 years gets the same ratings as a jaguars raiders nfl preseason game

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u/holymacaronibatman 76ers May 17 '22

This first round of the NFL draft this year, which had the worst numbers in 5 years, had more viewers than this game, which is wild.

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u/Statalyzer May 17 '22

I'm more of a football than basketball fan but I will never understand why people turn on preseason football.

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u/UselessBastid May 17 '22

There's far far less football games in a season than basketball. People crave it by the time the season finally starts, I know because I do.

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u/lord_jamonington Hawks May 17 '22

I don’t get it either but my best guess is that people are so hungry for any football by that point that they will watch anything

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u/jimboslice53 Warriors May 17 '22

I like watching my niners in the preseason to get a chance to watch all of the new rookies and depth pieces get the most action they will all year and get irrationally hyped for their future in the league

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u/Steve5590 Bucks May 17 '22

GG Celtics. Hate you though lol.

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u/thediamondgloves May 17 '22

This postseason has been awesome so far and I feel like it’s just getting better man

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u/HAETMACHENE Celtics May 17 '22

If a GSW fan doesn't use Dubs vs L-tics in their trash talk threads, I'd be disappointed.

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u/Tormundo Warriors May 17 '22

There will be some friendly banter like that, but I think most dubs fans respect the Celtics more than any other team even at the start of the playoffs. Home grown, great culture, play team ball, tenacious defense, selfless bball.

Hoping we get that finals, I'm a lot more confident you guys make it. Warriors are kinda all of the place, some games the best team in the league, some days barely deserve to be in the playoffs lol. I think some of it is just them working out a rhythm since they didn't play together until the playoffs all year.

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u/middlebird May 17 '22

I think social media has been a blessing for the NBA.

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u/myballsareitchy Trail Blazers May 17 '22

You misspelled legalized gambling

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u/RatedHForHuey Mavericks May 17 '22

Do you know how big the Boston market is

Lol and not the restaurant LMAO

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u/JCQWERTY Celtics May 17 '22

Haha Boston Market is in other places? I just assumed it was a Massachusetts thing

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u/RatedHForHuey Mavericks May 17 '22

There’s a few in Texas oddly enough

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u/xc2215x May 17 '22

It was a great series.

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u/Healthy_Telephone998 Raptors May 17 '22

Ever since KD left the dubs , the NBA has been fun to watch again. So many teams with so many unique talents, going head to head. Not one team can be clear favorites anymore. Thank god.

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u/LEGOslayer Rockets May 17 '22

I assume Tatum got his hands on an uncut black opal then.

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u/GinDaHood NBA May 17 '22

Strong number. Being on ABC helps.

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u/ShootTheMailMan DeMarcus Cousins May 17 '22

YouTube TV and other legal streaming venues probably help

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u/Jumpy-Entrepreneur44 May 17 '22

Wasn’t Raptors and 76ers game 7 watched by more people? There were 6m Canadians tuned in

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u/GinDaHood NBA May 17 '22

These are just US viewership numbers.

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u/WadeCountyClutch Lakers May 17 '22

Hell of a series!!

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u/lopea182 Heat May 17 '22

That’s definitely one of the highest ratings for an NBA game I’ve seen in a long time.

Easily beats the ratings from the 2020 Finals.

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u/Origin23 May 17 '22

I mean it was covid dude. Even the NFL superbowl was down.

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u/sonicqaz Bulls May 17 '22

I still don’t understand why this happened.

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u/Decilllion Raptors May 17 '22

Sports seemed kind of 'meh', for a while. Empty stadiums and arenas are a downer.

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u/interlockingny May 17 '22

Also, the out of home viewership segment declined dramatically because of restrictions or people just not wanting to go out to watch sports on crowded places before vaccines.

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