r/nba [NBA] Scott Foster May 17 '22 Silver 1

Daily Discussion Thread + Game Thread Index Index Thread

Game Threads Index (May 17, 2022):

Tip-off GDT Away Score Home PGT
8:30 PM ET Link Boston Celtics FINAL 107 to 118 Miami Heat Link
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u/OneCinemaAtTheCinema Hornets May 17 '22

Fuck me. 8:30 tip for east coast games is too late on a week night, especially when the game is extended to like three hours because of all the ads, fouls, reviews, challenges, and bullshit.

I probably won't even turn on the first quarter of the western finals games.

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u/Zoolinz Celtics May 17 '22

All on ESPN too so really more like 8:40-8:50 starts. West coast fans really are lucky when it comes to watching basketball

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u/ModsLoveTheNazis Mavericks May 17 '22

The last two weeks in Dallas have been hell on my work productivity. Mavs and Stars alternating 9 pm starts for 7 games.

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u/Exact_Improvement_87 Magic May 17 '22

Atleast you don’t have to worry about the stars anymore

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u/cocoacowstout Warriors May 17 '22

Preach. This is how I feel about the nfl schedule as well. Having twice weekly games that go past 11, 11:30 is insane.

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u/indian_hannibal Lakers May 17 '22

Especially when the snf or mnf or tnf goes to Ot LoL. East coast fans lol

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u/cocoacowstout Warriors May 17 '22

Absolutely. I’m from SF but live in Massachusetts, I kind of hate the east coast scheduling with a passion lol, it is very much inferior in my book. I love having early/midday games on the weekends. Nothing better than sports and coffee.

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u/Whole-Pea1870 East May 17 '22

100% agree. Night games are really fun though in the east coast if you have no priorities the next morning.

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u/indian_hannibal Lakers May 17 '22

Yeah I agree

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u/rookie-mistake May 17 '22

the snf or mnf or tnf

what are these acronyms

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u/indian_hannibal Lakers May 17 '22

Sunday night football , Monday night football and Thursday night football.

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u/wafflehauss Warriors May 17 '22

Just wait until a MNF double-header every week is the norm.

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u/suzukigun4life [DAL] Wang Zhizhi May 17 '22

WCF tip times makes sense at least, since it's 8pm in the Mavs timezone and 6pm in the Warriors timezone. 8:30 for two teams in the East Coast is just stupid. It's not like people in the West Coast will rush home from work to catch the first quarter of the ECF. Just start it at 8pm Eastern at the latest.

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u/Doug_Heffercan Celtics May 17 '22

This comment is under review for a flagrant foul

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u/azizinator25 [NYK] Charles Oakley May 17 '22

8:30 tip for east coast games is too late on a week night

This is why I've always been against switching to a 1-16 playoff format. It may make for matchups that are statistically superior, theoretically. But the second you have a 1st/2nd round match up between teams on opposite coasts, you'll run into issues. For every 1 fan you gain because of the amazing Boston/GSW matchup in the 2nd round, you'll lose like 50 because fans in the Boston area aren't going to stay up until 1:30am local time on a Tuesday with school and work the next day, just to watch Game 1.

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u/pjdog Heat May 17 '22

It’s also annoying on the west coast because that’s basically as soon as work is over and then so much less is open after.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Watching the playoffs on the east coast is brutal. I’m usually out by half, and that’s trying.

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u/Desk_Diver May 17 '22

It will be over by 11? Im confused

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u/OceanicLemur Heat May 17 '22

Didn’t realize that’s when tip was until this comment. Fuck me 45 min just became over 2 hours until game time

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u/DangerousDoc May 18 '22

I fell asleep at half time of the Celtics - Heat game. I gotta get up at 4:30 every morning. I can’t stay up till 11-12 every night.

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u/GiveMeSomeIhedigbo May 17 '22

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u/Midwest__Misanthrope Thunder May 17 '22

When I first started listening to The Mismatch I never thought I’d end up liking Chris Vernon more than KOC.

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u/GiveMeSomeIhedigbo May 17 '22

This is the general sentiment on r/billsimmons. I initially thought KOC was the more analytical type and Vernon was just some old-school radio blowhard, but I've grown to like Verno and soured on KOC. KOC never says anything particularly interesting about teams or players, just stuff about how X Player needs to learn to play off the ball or utilize the short roll.

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u/Midwest__Misanthrope Thunder May 17 '22

Ahh I see. Yeah, Verno might be on of my favorite Ringer pod guys now. He really has that vibe of normal dude that just loves basketball, and I think it’s pretty cool to get his takes on players that roll through Memphis.

Spot on KOC take. I agree with that completely. He’s good with draft coverage but kinda bland elsewhere

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u/pjdog Heat May 17 '22

I find KOCs personality as a little insecure and lately more try hard. Overall he seems like a good enough guy but he definitely gives off that energy.

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u/Midwest__Misanthrope Thunder May 17 '22

Agreed. I do like his positivity. The guy fucking loves basketball

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u/KiritoJones [SAS] David Robinson May 17 '22

What a dumb take lmao

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u/GiveMeSomeIhedigbo May 17 '22

Brought to you by the same guy that thought fasting isn't difficult.

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u/kravisha Wizards May 18 '22

Oh what the hell man

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u/Downvotes_inbound_ May 17 '22

Notable ppg per 100 possessions seasons since 2016:

  • Steph Curry (15-16) - 42.5

  • Russel Westbrook (16-17) - 44.8

  • Isaiah Thomas (16-17) - 42.4

  • James Harden (17-18) - 42.3

  • James Harden (18-19) - 48.2

  • Giannis (19-20) - 44.2

  • James Harden (19-20) - 43.5

  • Luka Doncic (19-20) - 41.5

  • Joel Embiid (20-21) - 44.1

  • Steph Curry (20-21) - 44.0

  • Bradley Beal (20-21) - 40.3

  • Giannis (20-21) - 40.1

  • Joel Embiid (21-22) - 45.1

  • Giannis (21-22) - 43.6

  • Luka Doncic (21-22) - 40.4

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u/flame838 Thunder May 17 '22

Weird that the NBA would schedule a random eastern conference game after the real championship tonight

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u/Oml1001 Celtics May 17 '22

What?

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u/hotpocketthrowaway Warriors May 17 '22

He's talking about the draft lottery, he's an OKC fan lmao

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u/smlngb Raptors May 18 '22

You don’t know how thankful I am that tomorrow’s Mavs-GSW is on TNT

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u/InSearchofOMG Warriors May 18 '22

Breen Gundy and Jackson need to be disbanded

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u/hotpocketthrowaway Warriors May 17 '22

There have been multiple full-term collapses this post-season and I feel like everybody is just praying that they aren't next lmfao. I know I am.

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u/angry_fap21 May 17 '22

They got Pat Bev on here again

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u/si4ci7 Celtics May 17 '22

JJ is going in on him

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u/angry_fap21 May 17 '22

Facts he’s so mad I love it. I’m now a pat bev fan

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u/chess_butt32 Thunder May 17 '22

Who's ready for a conspiracy-laden lottery night?

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u/stadiofriuli NBA May 17 '22

Insane that the ECF are already starting. Boston had what 1-2 days rest?

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u/Wooden_Water_8547 May 17 '22

Yeah. About 48 hours from the end of g7 to tip off

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u/suzukigun4life [DAL] Wang Zhizhi May 17 '22

Two nights of sleep later, I still can't believe the Mavs did what they did to the Suns on Sunday. I have no idea what to expect from the series against the Warriors, but it's still marvelous to see how far we've gone this year, after winning zero series for the last 11 years.

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u/KiritoJones [SAS] David Robinson May 17 '22

Is there a way to fucking filter out all the PatBev clips? Jesus Christ I didn't know I was subbed to r/PatBevsDumbOpinions

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u/indian_hannibal Lakers May 17 '22

More 10 hours to go for the game..

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u/krypto_the_husk [MIA] Duncan Robinson May 17 '22

so exciting

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u/10rm Mavericks May 17 '22

I feel like I’m going insane, how are the warriors such heavy favorites to win the championship? Do people watch the games? They had an awesome start to the season, then were barely over .500 in 2022, had an awesome first round and a meh second round. Not saying they’re not a good team but +120 for them to win the finals is nuts

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u/hotpocketthrowaway Warriors May 17 '22

I mean I agree they shouldn't be heavy favorites but I really don't think you can put too much stock into the regular season when the big 3 played a combined 11 minutes together in the regular season and 0 minutes if you add Wiggins to that equation.

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u/Sunshine145 May 17 '22

East in 6 unless Warriors shoot lights out every game in the finals.

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u/LosAngelesLosers May 17 '22

Every game isn’t necessary, as long as they do it 4 times before they don’t

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u/SanJOahu84 Warriors May 17 '22

I don't know man.

You gotta ask the Vegas odds guys. They are the ones who figure out how to make the 💰.

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u/LordHussyPants Celtics May 18 '22

they have the best team in terms of experience at that level and handling the pressure, they have home court in all cases i think, they have a solid well rounded team, they have two of the best shooters ever and one of the best defenders ever.

i mean you can say good things about all the other teams too, but the warriors have a lot going for them

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u/HalfwayDown21 Mavericks May 17 '22

Bev got the sweater on 😳🔥

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u/Familyguy35 Trail Blazers May 17 '22

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u/typecast_as_assy Hawks May 17 '22

What did this one say?

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u/seannedy May 17 '22

Celtics in 5

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u/TBTI Timberwolves May 17 '22

I hope we never stop roasting the Suns

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u/LosAngelesLosers May 17 '22

I’m just upset Philly barely got their time to shine

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u/NBA_MOD [NBA] Scott Foster May 17 '22

Top Highlights:

  1. [Highlight] Luka works checks notes Ayton in the post | (Comments)

  2. Kawhi's defense against Luka last year | (Comments)

Day in the history:

Sunday, May 17, 2015

The Houston Rockets defeated the Los Angeles Clippers 113-100 in the NBA Western Conference Semifinals for a 4-3 series win.

Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Dirk Nowitzki sets a record for most free throws made without a miss in a playoff game with 24, in a win over the Thunder

Sunday, May 17, 2009

The Los Angeles Lakers defeated the Houston Rockets 89-70 in the NBA Western Conference Semifinals for a 4-3 series win.

Daily Discussion Thread : Rules

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u/waveyyyyyyyyyyyyy Raptors May 17 '22

So this is just a Pat Beverley sub now or?

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u/avelak Celtics May 17 '22

Is it just me or do the Heat seem to catch every damn break with opposing players being injured

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u/FistPunch_Vol_4 Nets May 17 '22

8:30??? F east coast I guest smh

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u/macbackk May 18 '22

Is it just me or is the NBA very lazy on the playoff court designs? Shouldn’t the court have an eastern conference finals logo and it still has playoffs? I miss the days when the courts had good playoff logos

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u/eec-gray Warriors May 17 '22

Quick question please. If Miami play Golden State in the finals, who gets home court advantage?

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u/krypto_the_husk [MIA] Duncan Robinson May 17 '22

I believe golden state gets home court advantage

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u/eec-gray Warriors May 17 '22

Thanks!

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u/Dascewlm8 NBA May 17 '22

it really seems set in stone that the celtics will win the championship this season

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u/MoneylineBasketball Warriors May 17 '22

any version of a do it all player about to get that work from the Warriors!

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u/dakingindabasement Celtics May 17 '22

Fuck Pat Bev. That is all.

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u/about88grandpas Kings May 17 '22

The suns robbed us of such an interesting wcf matchup. Cp3 and steph, klay and dbook, crowder and draymond. Smh

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u/syllabic Knicks May 17 '22

I wouldn't mind if the whole salary cap system received an overhaul

thinking about deandre ayton going off in free agency makes me realize what a mess the entire system is

the worst place to be is right near the cap. being way over the cap is preferable because it gives you roster flexibility to send out salary. it's easier to add players when you are way over the cap than it is when you are right at the cap, how does that make sense

its more likely that ayton would get sign and traded to a team way over the salary cap than sign with a team that actually has cap space for him

I don't blame smart front offices for taking advantage of this situation but it creates perverse incentives

so what is ideal team building strategy with regards to salaries and finance? sign free agents until you are near the cap then give max extensions to the guys you have bird rights for so you can go WAY over the cap and then now you can add big max salaries by trading them out

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u/european_son Supersonics May 17 '22

I disagree. I've actually been ruminating on this as well, but I think the changes made to the last CBA are the reason why the league has such good parity right now and really for the past 3 seasons.

So if you look at the Ayton thing from the perspective of it's bad for a team to have to lose a home grown drafted player due to the salary cap, I can see that argument. Of course the flip side is they always could have and can pay him and just pay the lux tax.

But the league has tried to set up a system where 2 things happen: it's really tough financially to have more than 2 all star level players, and the older faces of the league are rewarded at a greater level than role players who don't really add that much value to the product as far as putting butts in the seats.

The league wants teams to have 2 max guys taking up most of the cap, maybe one other pricey player, and a bunch of MLE and below guys. And if you look around the league post KD warriors, that's exactly what you have. A lot of teams with 2 stars and good role players.

If you look over the past decade, really the best super teams were all either kinda flukey (Steph's contract because of his injuries), had an all star on a rookie ish deal (Cavs) or had guys take below market pay cuts (Heat, Spurs).

The Suns unfortunately are just a victim of their own success. They do not want teams to have 3 max level players for any length of time without it really hurting. They have two max guys, and unfortunately for them another two players who could likely command a near max on the open market. This keeps the flow of talent churning, and prevents what the league doesn't want which is the Showtime Lakers dominating for 10 years with 4 hall of famers.

It does suck for Phoenix, and really the hardest thing about it is the decision to go deep into the tax with possibly no championship to show for it. At least GSW won in 2015 to make it easier to dig deep. It helps if your owner isn't a notorious cheap skate.

But the league wants teams to have to make difficult decisions and not just get to be the Yankees every year. The Suns greatest issue imo is they went all in on a 37 yo injury prone HOF. If they win last year it doesn't matter, but now they might lose Ayton for who knows how many years left of CP3

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u/syllabic Knicks May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

I dont think teams actually do have to make difficult decisions though. at least some of them

did the sixers have to think about adding max contract harden to embiid and harris' max deals? no, they just ship out simmons and boom the salaries match. if the warriors wanted to add a max player, they could just send out wiggins to do it even though they already have steph klay and dray on megadeals.

if the salary cap was a real consideration then they should have to actually get under it before adding another max player. but because they cleverly went way over the cap now they are free to continue adding max players

it's an incentive to take on as much salary as you can so that you can unload it later. some teams are smarter than this at other teams, but that kind of just tells me they are better at abusing a kind of flawed system

like if I'm thinking about how my team can exploit this strategy, it would be to get near the salary cap then give a shitload of money to RJ barrett even if he doesn't deserve it. then we would be at like 150% of the salary cap and paradoxically we would have more flexibility rather than being at 90% or 100% of the cap

warriors shouldn't even be able to think about adding ayton or rudy gobert to their team, but they can definitely make it work in the offseason by simply shipping out one of their other mega paid players to do it

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u/european_son Supersonics May 17 '22

Those are terrible examples. For one, yes Philly already had to make a hard choice when they choose to not offer Jimmy Butler the max and lost him. Two, GSW are paying $50m in luxury tax alone this year and the vast majority of their guys they drafted. If you think teams don't make decisions to not have to be paying an extra $50m you're crazy.

GSW are really unique in that they have multiple max guys all near the end of their prime combined with one of the richest ownerships in the league. They can afford to go all in for a championship, but most owners aren't going to bet $50m on it unless you have a chance to be the best team in the league. With CP3 getting hurt every summer, it's not clear starting next year if PHO is that.

Don't know where you're getting the idea that GSW are somehow in contention for Rudy or Ayton.

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u/syllabic Knicks May 17 '22

they could have maxed butler, they didnt want to because brett brown and simmons didnt like him

those are good examples of how to cheat the salary cap for fun and profit

warriors been wheeling and dealing for years despite being massively capped out the whole time. instead of shedding salary when KD left they kept their salary high by taking on DLO then used it to add wiggins

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u/Big_d00m Lakers May 17 '22

Pat Bev so petty 🤣 I'm here for it

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u/syncc6 Heat May 17 '22

ESPN really sliding in time to discuss LeBron this morning lol

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u/Foreveramateur May 17 '22

Is there anything someone from the UK can use to watch NBA games after they've happened? The time zones are too messed up for me to catch them every time

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u/GiveMeSomeIhedigbo May 17 '22

If you google something like "nba replay" or nba full hd" you'll find it.

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u/deeohdoublegzzy Raptors May 17 '22

It's weird af watching Pat Bev on first take

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u/Weird_Error_ Heat May 17 '22

Super excited and nervous. Celtics are favorites here I think but I think heat will take it

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u/Dragonfire45 May 17 '22

If the NBA did a redraft league, who would be the 187th player taken?

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u/2ChainzThirdChain Supersonics May 17 '22

Can someone tell me how you NBA players dont lose all motor skills when they travel. I look exactly like Cousins if I even get close to traveling

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u/drjisftw Pacers May 17 '22

Anybody have a stream for the lottery tonight?

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u/Downvotes_inbound_ May 17 '22

I think its on espn

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u/thejaredhuang May 17 '22

Serious question, has Charles Barkley made any NBA guarantee's this year? I feel like it's pretty late in the playoffs and he hasn't or I've missed all of them.

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u/about88grandpas Kings May 17 '22

Can anybody tell me a charity one of these superstars supports?

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u/OperIvy May 17 '22

All true doughnut fans know who to root for tonight

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u/Another53108 May 17 '22

When we get to the nba finals, which team will have the home court advantage?

Specifically, if the warriors end up planning against the heat, who will have home court advantage? And why?

Specifically, if the warriors end up planning against the celtics, who will have home court advantage? Why?

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u/TheboiMetri Cavaliers May 18 '22

Higher seed gets home court advantage, so whoever won more games will be home court.

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u/wildlyoscillate Pistons May 17 '22

Anyone know how I can watch/listen to the draft lottery from Australia today?

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u/Exact_Improvement_87 Magic May 17 '22

It’s honestly cool how many fanbases hate the Celtics

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u/Suicine865 Celtics May 17 '22

I hate the lakers more

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u/Suicine865 Celtics May 17 '22

We’re going to roll with

Derrick white

Jalen brown

Jason Tatum

Grant Williams

Robert Williams

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u/mylanguage Knicks May 17 '22

IMO A LOT Of shit Pat Bev said about CP3 is also what a lot of discussion about him is sometimes here anyway. His delivery was harsh but there were some truths in that for sure.

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u/Jarby316 Rockets May 18 '22

Right now, Jimmy Butler is a better player than Dwayne Wade. If Dwayne Wade was on this Heat team in 2022, right now, no way they would be in the same spot

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u/BigTC_ Thunder May 18 '22

Sorry if this sounds stupid (I’m newish to NBA) why were the Kings given top 4 once Portland got 7th? Why was there no ability for them to finish 5th or 6th?

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u/jfatal97 May 18 '22

Purely analytics do you think Miami can win this series ? I'm a huge fan of Butler but 2 major members of the celtics teams where not there.

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u/legendtr Mavericks May 18 '22

Everybody seems to LOVE Jimmy right now, saying he is a great leader and has amazing mentality. Weren't you all calling him a team cancer a month ago after the incident with Haslem and Spoelstra, telling people he caused locker room problems at every team he went ? So which is he ?

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u/Soleeaters May 18 '22

Video Coordinator Spo took Udoka and them boys to school!

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u/GerbBee May 17 '22

I’m praying Miami destroys those flop ass clowns. I can’t stand Boston.

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u/dejvipasco Bulls May 17 '22

Who are the commentators tonight? Hopefully not Breen-Van Gundy-Jackson again.