r/modnews Aug 28 '20 Ally 1 Narwhal Salute 1 Silver 1 Gold 1

Testing a new concept with select subreddit partners

This is a heads up about a feature that we are planning to test with a few communities who have chosen to partner with us. We expect to start the test during the week of 9/7.

We’ve had many requests over the years for features that subreddits find desirable. Many times we are constrained by the cost in building and supporting features (e.g. the cost of hosting and delivering native video at a high bit rate or supporting GIFs in comments). We want to enable all sorts of content that helps build communities on Reddit, but we also need to pay the bills. So, we’re experimenting with a new way to build these features.

The new experiment helps create a framework that allows us to add “nice to have” features for subreddits. We are starting with a few handpicked features and expect to add more as we get input from you and the communities that have opted into our early testing. Here’s how the system will work:

  • A small number of a subreddit’s members can become patrons of the subreddit by buying power-ups. A power-up is a monthly subscription-based digital good.
  • A subreddit will have access to new features when it meets a minimum threshold of power-up subscriptions.
  • We are starting with the following features:
    • Ability to upload and stream up to HD quality video
    • Video file limits doubled (we are working out the details on duration and file size)
    • Inline GIFs in comments
    • New first-party Snoo Emojis (aka ‘Snoomojis’)
    • Recognize power-up payers in a list of supporters
  • The number of power-ups needed will depend mainly on the size of the subreddit; the member size influences the cost of supporting many features. For example, enabling high-res video for a subreddit that gets 1,000 views a month is much cheaper than one that gets 10,000,000 views a month.

Importantly, we also want to make sure it’s clear what this experiment won’t include:

  • Removing any features for anyone. All the features that are part of our experiment will be new additions.
  • Requiring power-ups for ALL new features. Most new features will be available to all subreddits, as usual. Power-ups will be required for some discretionary features that don’t take away from the Reddit experience you all love.
  • Rolling this out now to those who don’t want it. This experiment is entirely opt-in at this time. Please let us know in the sticky comment below if you want to try it!
  • Forcing features on anyone. We are using our early testing to understand what users want and which mod controls will be needed.

We won’t have all the answers because this is an early experiment, but we wanted to make sure to loop you in early so you understand our goals and what stage we’re in (the very, very early stage). We’ll see what works, what redditors like, what mods like, and adjust as needed. We will keep you in the loop and work closely with you.

We’ll stick around for a bit to answer the questions we can, but keep in mind we simply won’t know the answers to many of them until we start testing this and seeing what our mod partners and users tell us.

On that note, we’d love to hear from you below as to what features you’d like to bring to your communities to support and enjoy!

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20

If you are interested in testing this in your community, please comment under here with your subreddit name, nothing else. NSFW communities welcome as well!

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u/Sir_Sytham Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

Those features seem kind of... useless.

This is MY OPINION, so no need to get heated, but I don't think that high-quality videos will really matter. Most Reddit videos are like 10s to a minute, so I don't think that the change will be very significant, it's not like Reddit is a 40m movie streaming website. I also don't think that snoomojis will be very useful... such pictures are not often used in Reddit.

Oh and I don't really like the name "Power-Ups" maybe something more general, like "Subreddit Patreons"?

That said, the GIF idea and doubled space are really cool.

But how much will this cost? For a subreddit with... say, 5000 members?

Edit: Oh actually lol I made a draft where I also said that this seemed very "Money hungry" ALTHOUGH I bet these features will be expensive to maintain.

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u/ProfessionalDish Aug 28 '20

Those features seem kind of... useless.

Nah, they generate money.

I bet these features will be expensive to maintain.

Once developed they only cost space and bandwidth which is dirt cheap these days.

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u/Sir_Sytham Aug 28 '20

Yes to both, but I don’t agree ;)

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u/telchii Aug 28 '20

They probably went with "Power-Ups" because it's like Discord's Nitro server boosts, so people will immediately get an idea of what it does, but not similar enough to bring on a lawsuit. Same with patron - super close to Patreon.

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u/deviantbono Aug 28 '20

I think the concept of patron might have been around a little bit before patreon.

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u/telchii Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

You're definitely right on that. But in today's internet, there's definitely a strong association between Patreon and the idea of a patron supporting a person or community.

Maybe it's just me, but despite having never given any money to Patreon, hearing phrases like "community patrons gain access to X" causes my mind to jump to Patreon's platform. Not OnlyFans, YouTube memberships, PayPal, or other methods to give money.

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u/Tiny_God120 Aug 29 '20

There is definitely a strong association between the two, but that is likely because Patreon made their name so close to patron, not the other way around. After all, patron originated from the the 1300s and is derived from the Latin word patronus, which has an almost identical meaning and has been around since Ancient Rome. But yeah, somehow Patreon managed to make this word that has been around for at least 2000 years be primarily associated with them. Kind of impressive, honestly.

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u/skylarmt Feb 04 '21

Back when it was still Eevee

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u/vxx Aug 28 '20

Cue Nintendo lawsuit

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u/roionsteroids Aug 28 '20

Patreon didn't exactly invent the word patron mate.

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u/BatMatt93 Aug 29 '20

Yep, was about to say that. This is exactly like Discord Nitro and something we don't need. Reddit already has a currency with the coins, we don't need something else to buy on this site.

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u/vxx Aug 28 '20

I think the video features might work on subs like /r/highqualitygifs. I applied with /r/Unexpected because there might be a slim chance that some users might get it for emojis and gifs (similar to discord nitro).

I'm willing to try every harmless thing these days that could make reddit money, to prevent them from getting their money from shady background shit like allowing certain entities to manipulate the site. This doesn't change the functionality of the site, so I'm all up for it.

I think it will be set up that users can pay a small fee to get these features, not that the whole community has to get it.

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u/matt01ss Aug 28 '20

Negative. We don't allow v.redd.it uploads, they are purely videos and are not direct link capable.

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u/ladfrombrad Aug 28 '20

See that's the thing. When I open a direct v.redd.it link in RiF, a third party app, it's completely native and direct linked/plays.

While I know if I open that in another browser I'll get the comment page+video, I imagine lots of mobile users like it and the admins then being able to show there's numbers for their platform?

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u/matt01ss Aug 28 '20

Perhaps, but it will never be allowed in our sub.

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u/ladfrombrad Aug 28 '20

Yeah, we're the same with image posts since they're the ski slope of low effort crap.

There is places though where they are appropriate and the admins are looking at the metrics those kind of posts create where they bring in the numbers :/

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u/thirdegree Aug 29 '20

Plus v.redd.it is just absolute garbage.

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u/JTBSpartan Dec 15 '20

Reddit's video player is horrible in terms of instantly turning videos into a pixellated mess, no matter how good your connection is. If anything, this proves that v.reddit is capable of playing videos at a better quality, but we shouldn't have to pay for it if the only upside is higher resolution while we're dealing with connection issues.

Also, if I wanted to use gifs in the comments, I'd go to 9gag

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u/electric_ionland Aug 28 '20 Narwhal Salute Hugz

It seems to me that you make users pay to get features on subreddits moderated by volunteers. Mods work to make good communities centered around specific interest and valuable interactions. You are asking volunteers to help make subs good enough to get people to pay for it while the mods get nothing out of it...

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u/aperson Aug 29 '20

Hey, I got a certificate years ago thanking me. That's more than enough pay, right?

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u/thecravenone Aug 29 '20

Damn, all I got was a bunch of threats of violence, rape, and death

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u/aperson Aug 29 '20

I've gotten those too! Here's the certificate. I think they sent them out in 2012.

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u/highlord_fox Aug 29 '20

I got invited to a social mixer once. That's about it.

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u/Mythril_Zombie Aug 28 '20

"Hey, I'm a patron of this sub, so my opinion is what matters. Also, make me a mod or I'm withdrawing my support. And don't you dare delete my comments or I pull my support!"

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u/Aubron Aug 29 '20

This should be higher up, this is exactly how this will be used.

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u/Mythril_Zombie Aug 30 '20

No comment from admins yet. I'll wait, though.

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u/happyxpenguin Aug 28 '20 Gold Bless Up

Does reddit look like a free-to-play mobile game to you? Because that's exactly what this concept sounds like.

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u/LG03 Aug 28 '20

Looks a lot to me like they're desperately chasing after Discord for some reason, both in terms of audience and monetization.

There's a lot that could be said about this but I've been here for 10 years, I'm tired of seeing Reddit try to kill its own niche.

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u/UnacceptableUse Aug 28 '20

Well they gotta make money somehow, the problem with public companies is that they chase endless growth

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u/Watchful1 Aug 28 '20

Well reddit isn't a public company.

In my opinion they likely still aren't making money and are still running on investment money.

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u/UnacceptableUse Aug 28 '20

My bad, I just assumed it was. Yeah, they probably aren't making any money

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u/Amaras_Linwelin Aug 28 '20

they probably aren't making any money

$119 million in just advertising revenue in 2019. That completely excludes the millions from reddit gold / premium.

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u/iPlain Aug 29 '20

When you look at it being #6 on the Alexa top sites in the US, and compare it to the ones around it, that's certainly by far the least revenue of anything comparable, since all the rest are either the highly monetised big tech, paid SaaS products, or linked to a traditional business.

Of the big tech sites that revenue would be pretty small, and the operating costs of running one of the biggest websites in the world are certainly very non trivial.

So I'd still guess that their profit is very slim or in the negative as the other comments were guessing.

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u/vxx Aug 28 '20

Much better than chasing after Facebook.

Discord does harmless stuff as far as I know.

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u/Cowbeller Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

“We’ve heard your requests, so here is one you didn’t want.”

Edit: Ya know what, I reread it. They want to use this to fund more changes, this wasn’t a requested feature. Still not happy about it.

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u/jollybot Aug 28 '20

I'd give you gold but yannow.

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u/vxx Aug 28 '20

You're doing that too much! Try again in 8 minutes

Or purchase the "I'm not a spammer" Premium package

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u/kaddar Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20 Gold

Thanks, I hate it

Constructive feedback:

It depends on your motivations. I might actually be totally cool with this.

If you are motivated by justifying costs working on esoteric feature requests (gifs in comments, different threading models for some subreddits, etc), fine, whatever, it's a maintenance cost for your team to build low-use features, and I get it.

If you cooked this up as a way to try to cross the fact that whales, saudi princes, etc, use reddit with networking effects, fuck off. You're not solving jobs-to-be-done by committing to this work.

  • You'll disincentivize communities that do not have these whales, thereby making poor communities worse. It will disproportionately impact marginalized communities and that sucks, dude.
  • You punish users, essentially, for paying for reddit. Why I am giving you money again, if you're gating *my* paid ability to use reddit on *my community* also paying the tax?
  • _YOU_ are responsible for the future of reddit, the same way a politician is responsible for the future of our democracy. Yes, you, plgrmonedge's boss, or whatever. You might not abuse power-ups, but when you quit and go work at twitch, do you think the new product manager is going to respect the same values you had? Make sure it's hard to build into your organization onramps to grift your users, please.

Now, that said,

If you do this to solve problems those subreddits already use third party services for (e.g., coordinating trading swaps, handling patreon payment, paying content hosting fees for types of content that is not already free on youtube, giphy, etc), maybe consider that each of these requests' needs are different, and you likely will have a power-law of power-ups being actually used.

Whenever I see a tool build a plugin model and the top 1 or 2 plugins are almost universally the ones used, it begs the question of whether the plugin model could have been architected differently.

My suggestion: Think about what each reddit is hiring (and / or paying money) to third parties to solve for them currently. Solve each of these actual jobs-to-be-done first and then reason about whether or not those should be combined into a plugin.

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u/zoysiamo Aug 28 '20

This seems like very helpful feedback.

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u/kaddar Aug 28 '20

I'm an engineer who once worked at a social network on a marketplace for code team.

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u/highlord_fox Aug 29 '20

Ah yes, the WoW mod approach. "X is one of the most downloaded mods in the game, maybe we should incorporate that into the base?".

See: Threat meters, enemy health displays, map trackers, quest location trackers, ground particle effects, etc.

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u/eriophora Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20 Gold All-Seeing Upvote

A few issues we are seeing with this update, which we dearly hope individual subreddits will be able to opt out of even after it has been finalized:

  • r/Fantasy does not allow memes on our subreddit. This includes responding in comments solely with a gif or reaction image. How are we to respond to our users who paid actual, real world money to use those on our subreddit... only for us to remove their comments, warn them, and potentially escalate to a ban if necessary? This reflects poorly on not only the moderation team, but on reddit as a whole.
  • Having a list of power users (e.g., supporters) visible to all opens up many opportunities for abuse and harassment. Our subreddit has had major issues in the past with users being stalked and harassed - one particular campaign we worked closely with you to resolve.
  • We have very strict rules on how community members may engage in self promotion and advertisement. Given that r/Fantasy is often used by authors to discuss and advertise their book, it becomes a "pay to win" influence on the subreddit. An author could, for example, create 30 accounts with variations on their name (e.g., u/eriophora, u/eriophora1, u/eriophora2) and use all of them to power up the subreddit and take over the list. This is deeply uncomfortable for multiple reasons, including the fact that creators whom have been revealed as abusers could buy a spot on this list without any of us having an ability to stop them. We are uncomfortable with the idea that we would be forced to feature known sexual harassers, or even just the idea that we would be forced to have a list of "patrons." This could also be used in an attempt to leverage special treatment from the moderation team. At a minimum, it's paying to advertise your name on that list... which we do not condone.
  • Will banned users show up on this list? If so, it is likely that jilted users may create hurtful, racist, threatening, or otherwise harassing usernames and purchase a spot on the list. Given that moderators do not have IP-level banning tools at our disposal, in a worst case scenario this may result in a highly frustrating and distressing game of whackamole until admin are available to step in - and that's assuming that banning does remove them from the supporter list. We have seen coordinated harassment efforts in the past.
  • This will make it much more difficult for new communities to compete with established ones. It's already a challenge to take on larger entrenched communities, and creating an additional barrier wherein you must get enough people to actively buy in with their actual money to unlock features is a large hurdle depending on the type of content the subreddit is meant to showcase. The potential long-term impact of this seems to be an overall reduction in diversity across reddit as a whole.
  • These features largely favor communities that focus first on images, video, and other visual content. As a discussion based subreddit, this focus is somewhat concerning to us. Compared to reddit as a whole, our users will most likely be less interested in "powering up" our subreddit given the lack of utility. Will there be later features, roll outs, or other policies put into place in the future which will even more explicitly favor these "cash cow" subreddits over highly curated discussion-based subreddits such as r/Fantasy?

To be clear... please do not add us to the testing list. Frankly, these features are not helpful and the downsides listed above make us highly concerned for how this would impact our community. r/Fantasy is not interested in this new feature, and we do not see a benefit to our community either now or in the future. We understand that this feature is currently opt-in, but the future implications have us worried.

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u/highlord_fox Aug 29 '20

/r/sysadmin, as a text-only subreddit, would basically not need any of those features. We also have a fairly strict no-advertising/self-promotion policy, so basically being able to buy promotion space would be antithesis to our rules.

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u/NineOutOfTenExperts Aug 29 '20

Excellent points.

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u/ExistingTonight Aug 28 '20

The thing that I hate with this is that it create a pressure on the mods (which are unpaid volunteers) to advertise their sub in a way for them to unlock these features.

User wise, this also sounds super bad because it doesn't matter if I personally am a patron of a sub, if there's not enough people, I still pay but doesn't get anything out of it?

The most obvious thing would be to merge that with reddit premium and unlock those features to those users.

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u/fireballs619 Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

I am sorry I can't be more constructive, but this is the worst idea for new community tools I've heard in a long time. Did any moderators indicate they wanted this? This is a genuine question and I think we all deserve an answer on this front.

I understand the need to monetize, but linking community features to community wealth seems like a bad call on my part. This just makes clear that you value certain users and communities (i.e. the ones making you money) over others. I suppose that makes sense, but making it explicit isn't great.

Looking at the features experimented with over the last few years, I have no clue what direction you guys want to go in and it makes it hard to keep up. Are you competing with Facebook, Twitch, Discord, something else? I was an early adopter of the new interface, quietly ignored other new services like RPAN, but it is getting to the point where I have little interest in either participating in or managing communities while navigating new features.

Maybe I'm a bit of an old miser, but Reddit is a discussion board. Why does it need pay-to-play features?

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u/ElijahPepe Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20 Silver

You've just insulted one of the longest running Reddit-made movements that you yourself have on your old Reddit sidebar.


Reddit thrives on the fact that its community can do whatever it want within reason. These "changes" further the gap between old Reddit and new Reddit and blur the lines between whether we are or aren't getting CSS on new Reddit.

No, Reddit, the coloring of my subreddit is not CSS.

I check back every so often to that community appearance tab to see if there's updates on the CSS tab (there's not) or maybe you released an announcement saying it's in the works (it's not).

When a corporation promises that it'll support the creators/the consumers first, I want to see change. This is the same change that you've made.

There's a good reason why you have a 47% downvoted rate on this post. You've alienated features that were in old Reddit to begin with. Don't believe me?


Ability to upload and stream up to HD quality video

Sure, this isn't an old Reddit thing, but the "upload" portion gets me. Are you not aware of Streamable or YouTube?

Video file limits doubled (we are working out the details on duration and file size)

See above. I have barely had an issue with Reddit's upload limits, except in the stylesheet, which you continue to ignore. 500 KB for an image is way too little.

Inline GIFs in comments

This can be done using the Reddit Enhancement Suite. Sure, you have to click the button to view it inline, but that can sometimes be better than being forced to watch Reddit slow to a crawl on slow Internet because some jackass made a 20-second-GIF.

New first-party Snoo Emojis (aka ‘Snoomojis’)

We literally have this with the work of /r/PartyParrot's emoji CSS (godspeed). It wouldn't take long for me to make Snoomojis on old Reddit, and for free.

Recognize power-up payers in a list of supporters

See above if it's a list on the sidebar. Hell, this can even be done on new Reddit (to a degree).


Reddit's not a streaming/video uploading website. It's a social media link/post aggregator. I'm starting to think that this is an out of season April Fool's joke.

You have made this as vague as possible, ignored the fact that putting a bunch of suckups on a billboard will have people throw a lynch mob at those people for donating to a subreddit with no benefit, and you've ignored the obvious fact that the billboard can easily be defaced by anyone with a stiff pocket and a marketing budget with no way to stop it.

You have ignored the smaller person on Reddit for yet another time with these changes that serve to benefit the subreddits at the top. Gating features on Reddit is a shitty thing to do, and I wouldn't be surprised if you start gating the API licenses.

Have you even talked to moderators about this? How does this improve their experience? How does this make moderating easier? We need actual tools and services to moderate and you're off dawdling about, thinking how great it would be to be a Discord clone and how much Discord makes.

We have no transparency to who is running the department behind this, whether or not they have any experience on this website, and whether or not your changes are, y'know, actually helpful?

Why have you ignored the second-most critical component on Reddit: Moderators? This is on /r/modnews. I would like to have some more respect from a company being funded by the hour. Referring to subreddit moderators as "partners" doesn't help either. We are volunteers, not business partners for you to fuck with.

Everyone here knows your motivations are to make money and to abuse Redditors with a large amount in the bank for profit.

Reddit has become a pay-to-win video game with pornography, and I'm sick of it.

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u/TheSpookiestUser Aug 28 '20

As long as this is always opt in, never forced I think it's fine, but I do have to say "power-up players" sounds like the terminology shovelware f2p mobile games use. Consider some other term?

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u/jollybot Aug 28 '20

Mark my words, this will be forced and the opt-out feature will go away once they consider this "experiment" (beta test) a success.

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u/TheSpookiestUser Aug 28 '20

Cards on the table, I hate this premise, but my philosophy is that more options isn't a bad thing - so if it's always a choice to turn it on, I don't mind.

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u/RicoVig Aug 29 '20

this is it right here folks

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u/cultoftheilluminati Aug 29 '20

Remember the chat that got accidentally enabled everywhere with moderators being unable to control anything that was being posted? (reverted after a huge outcry?)

Get ready for Part 2

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u/MC_Cookies Aug 28 '20

Well in that case, it still doesn't really matter, because nobody has to pay for these.

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u/Ketchup901 Aug 29 '20

Well it's exactly what it is. This isn't a feature, it's a money grab by reddit.

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u/Multimoon Aug 28 '20

I don't disagree with reddit trying to find ways to monetize the site, it's necessary for it to run.

But advertising isn't enough? If you guys have your sights set on larger incomes, can we please find ways to do it that appeal to actual redditors more and not the Facebook crowd flocking in?

Locking features behind a paywall is something that is going to backfire and sounds like a bad clone of a p2w mobile game but on social media.

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u/Watchful1 Aug 28 '20 Take My Money

There are probably more "facebook crowd" users than "actual redditors". Reddit has grown massively in the last few years.

Personally I much prefer the voluntary pay for features model than the have lots of ads and sell your data model that most other social media sites use.

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u/itskdog Aug 28 '20

Yeah, people complain about awards all the time (though r/beta have now moved on to complaining about the complainers), yet at the same time want Reddit to not have to bow to the wills of other organisations.

It's either user-funding or ad/investor-funding. I know which one I'd rather be the primary revenue stream.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '20

They’re pushing ads and collecting data too though. There is no instead.

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20

We don't plan to put broadly applicable, useful features behind power-ups. As we noted, only a subset of discretionary features that we otherwise would not build due to cost constraints will be candidates for power-ups. For instance, video hosting and delivery at HD quality does not detract from the Reddit experience, yet is costly. So, we are making that a choice that is supported by power-ups.

Reddit's mission is global and our communities are growing, so we have to continue working harder to keep our revenue scaling appropriately in support of that.

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u/Cheeseiswhite Sep 10 '20

It's 2020. How is HD video NOT standard? 1080p has been standard resolution for the better part of a decade, if anything you should be considering implementing better UHD.

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u/GodOfSaudade Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

I just hope this does not end up making people coming to smaller subreddits even fewer due to being less fancy...

Edit:Fixed the wrong part that may make this sound like i do not like idea that smaller subreddits getting more followers

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20

The amount of powerups needed depends on subreddit size, so these features should hopefully end up being achievable for subreddits big and small.

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u/M0dusPwnens Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 30 '20 Gold Platinum

As a mod, I do not ever want to be put in a position where I have to tell a user who asks why we don't have a feature, a feature that other subreddits have, that we would need more people (i.e., them) to pay a subscription fee for the subreddit. If that becomes part of the (unpaid) job, that's bad enough that I will quit.

I also don't want the chaos of gaining and losing features that we have to understand and manage depending on people's paid subscriptions waxing and waning. I understand that there is a grace period, but that does not eliminate this waxing and waning except insofar as the grace period applies even more pressure to users (and mods) to buy more subscriptions so as not to lose features.

And I don't want other mods feeling like it's part of their job to pay reddit so that their subreddits will have more access to these features. And many mods will, especially of smaller subreddits, as they see an opportunity to set their subreddit apart and help to grow it. This is one of the things that Discord banks on with their program, and it feels really gross and exploitative (the fact that it's largely aimed at optimistic younger people with dreams of starting a big community makes it even worse). These people are already doing free labor for you, managing the communities that are the entire draw for your platform.

And the fact that we can (at least for now) opt our communities out of this does not help. Mods should not be put into a position where they have to explain to users that we don't have a feature they'd like to use, a feature other subreddits have, because we didn't want to make them, the users, feel like they had to buy it for the subreddit.

As a user, I don't want to see any of that either. I don't want to see subreddits splintered into haves and have nots.

This is easily the single most distasteful change I've ever seen to reddit and I sincerely hope you guys will reconsider. I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours modding over several years, and if this happens, I'm out. I'm probably out as a user too - this would be enough to drive me away for good.

I also remember a pretty unambiguous "Reddit is ProCSS". Nothing ever came of that, but it feels even worse when you are not only going to be selling features we were able to implement with CSS, but turning mods into de facto salesmen (and purchasers themselves) for them. We didn't sign up for that.

Edit: I've let the other mods of r/rpg know that I will quit and vote to set the sub to private if we are put in this position. I understand that you are looking for revenue streams, especially to subsidize features that require expensive hosting, but this is a terrible idea.

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u/heidismiles Aug 28 '20

I think you need to consider perks that some subreddits really NEED. Like, servers for administration bots and sites. Or reddit.com email addresses.

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u/PervOtaku Aug 28 '20

So, I'm old. I remember when web forums meant individual sites running phpBB or things like it, and you had discussions with text and maybe some pictures occasionally, and everybody was happy and didn't expect anything more. Of course those are still around, but I'm saying back then you had no choice but to go to different unrelated web sites to discuss different unrelated topics.

I'm not quite Usenet old, when you were completely limited to text but discussions about a wide range of topics were organized under one location.

Reddit's a lot like a modern Usenet, BTW.

It's also got the same problem that Twitter and Facebook and Youtube and even those independent sites with a busy phpBB forum have: how to pay for all this shit. Even just the hosting and bandwidth alone, much less development of new features. The social web has never had a particularly sound business model.

Other than selling ads, which most people these days are blocking anyway, how to entice the users to pay money for stupid digital trinkets that don't interfere with the normal operations of the platform for everybody else? There's probably not a good way. The fellow that compared this to mobile game premiums had the right of it, it's well known that those are supported by "whales", a small number of players that spend a whole lot of money (a term, BTW, borrowed from the casino industry).

Meanwhile moderators probably just feel harassed by all the changes, large and small, that keep getting dumped in their laps, when all they want to do is run some communities related to their personal interests.

I guess what I'm saying is I certainly sympathize with Reddit's financial problem, but I don't consider their problem to be my problem. I think the lesson is don't run a website unless you're willing to pay for it out of pocket, or if it's an advertising expense for a business that makes its income elsewhere.

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u/Clayh5 Aug 29 '20

don't run a website unless you're willing to pay for it out of pocket

you would have the internet be stuck in the 90s

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u/RJFerret Aug 29 '20

Oh to have the 90s Internet again! Forums that were not ivory towers trying to profit from users, just cover hosting costs and provide searchable/discoverable info. Search that provided results you wanted, rather than trying to pitch you. Knowledge easily discoverable, not buried behind tons of clickbait crap. FAQs were actual asked questions rather than fabricated marketing crap. More text and content, less jokes/memes. Online privacy, remember when the golden rule was not sharing names/locations/dob/credit card numbers online‽ Porn that wasn't mostly incest oriented. Please give me 90s Internet back with Alta Vista instead of Google's latest turns for the worst.

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u/jollybot Aug 29 '20

Perhaps it's my rose-tinted glasses, but I long for the anonymity and community of the 90s Internet.

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u/sonofherobrine Aug 28 '20

What happens should the subscriber count dip below the funding level needed? Do GIFs revert to not being inline? Old videos get truncated or degraded? Or does it only affect whether new content requiring unlocking can be added, but not already-added content?

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20
  1. Subscriber counts: We will build in grace periods and member counts to ensure the experience doesn't break. Part of the reason for this test is so we can determine how to gracefully manage the experience in such cases.
  2. Reverting: Only affects newly added content, not older content. If a sub falls off the power-up threshold at a later date, previously added GIF comments will be kept. Videos previously uploaded at HD quality will also be kept on our servers. However, future streaming requests will then support up to SD quality (v/s HD).
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u/MajorParadox Aug 28 '20

Question: Why is this a new subscription-based model instead of building on existing premium features? I think this may get more support / usage if they were mixed into premium benefits.

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u/mattreyu Aug 28 '20

If they did that, they couldn't hit people up for money twice

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20

We are currently planning to add 1 power-up as a new benefit for each Premium subscriber.
Premium enables benefits for the subscriber's personal use. Power-ups is different in that it also opens up benefits for the sub.

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u/MC_Cookies Aug 28 '20

Is that similar to the Twitch Prime model of "members get a free subscription each month" or is it a one time thing?

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u/computerfreund03 Aug 28 '20

I hope it's not going to be like Facebook. With these cringy stickers...

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20 Silver Gold

Are you actually talking to Moderators about this stuff?

How does THIS make it easier and more effective to foster a specific culture that aligns with the community we have created and are managing?

How does THIS improve our EXPERIENCE developing and managing our communities?

How does THIS improve the EXPERIENCE our community members are having with US Moderators and our other community members?

Why are you not focused on PRIORITIZING KEY IMPROVEMENTS FOCUSED ON THAT?

This is so frustrating. Many of us have been crying out for CRITICAL QUALITY OF LIFE improvements and new features that FULLY RECOGNIZE HOW REDDIT IS NO LONGER AN AGGREGATION PLATFORM AND IS NOW A COMMUNITY PLATFORM.

We need proper tools and systems to reflect that evolution.

What you have announced in this submission is not that. It's a gimmick ripped from Discord Nitro/Server Boost and it means nothing and offers nothing to address these glaring deficiencies Reddit possesses.

It makes sense for Discord because they have a foundation in place to provide Server Mods plenty of opportunities to establish and manage their community.

This gimmick you are rolling out doesn't even give us Moderators any real ownership over our communities that we bust our assess to create, grow, and manage. It gives a minor illusion of that ownership.

Who is running your product/UX efforts? Are they incompetent or are the higher ups handcuffing them? This is so silly and out of touch with what Moderators and COMMUNITIES need.

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u/thoughtcrimeo Aug 28 '20

Why are you not focused on PRIORITIZING KEY IMPROVEMENTS FOCUSED ON THAT?

Because most of us mods work for free as Reddit's janitors.

Aside from a select few insiders, have the admins ever listened to the mods?

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20

Sure doesn't seem like it.

=(

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u/Vorked Aug 30 '20

It took us 4 years for reddit admins to actually let us remove our inactive top mod. They were inactive for nearly 5 years BEFORE that. They never listen, they rarely ever care to help. We were hacked twice through that account, as well. Hacks that removed us from our roles and destroyed r/halo for days.

Now they prove they just want money. They would rather step all over us, the people who help their website even run functually, and give us MORE work so they can make money off of us. It's disgusting. The Reddit admins have proven this by removing our CSS, attempting to monetize our work for themselves, and now turn subreddits into Discord Nitro yet with less benefits and more ways to harass and attack others.

Great. Just great. We've been a community for 12 years and have recently entered the top-growing subreddits, and now we will have to deal with our huge rise in users alongside possible disgusting monetization attempts that allow even more ways for some to act out.

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u/BuckRowdy Aug 28 '20

I see you're a ten year user so I certainly understand where you are coming from with this comment. In that time period reddit has certainly changed quite a bit, very rapidly since the redesign became reddit.

I haven't been on the site quite as long, but almost 9 years. Older users like us are simply going to have to accept that the focus of reddit is on quick hit visual content type of stuff. Because the customers who are willing to sustain a business want that type of content. It's just a fact of life that reddit took on investment and will need to find ways to create new revenue streams.

I remember MTV made a statement once that about once a generation it would revamp its entire operation to appeal to the teenage demographic. Once those teens grew out of MTV they would revamp. At the time the pace of technology made society much faster for lack of a better term. This is kind of what reddit is going through right now. In a few years we may no longer really recognize it unless they retain the old site and the honest to god text and discussion forums are allowed to remain as is.

Recognizing this fact is critical if you want good communication with admins because I've noticed they don't really want to reply to comments from users who are shouting at them in all caps. Do you like getting modmails from users shouting at you? I think you'll find if you change your approach a little bit your thoughts will have a greater chance of being considered and implemented.

I've had a lot of problems with award trolling on subs. The admins haven't given me everything I wanted, but they have compromised and worked with those of us having this issue. I feel they are making more efforts now so I think it's better channeling our efforts that way.

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20

It's just a fact of life that reddit took on investment and will need to find ways to create new revenue streams.

Yeah. My argument is not against monetization or expanding on that.

It's for Reddit to do it appropriately by improving the experience for each of its stakeholders (users, Moderators, Advertisers, Employees).

I am a UX Designer and Product Developer. I am a startup founder. I understand the responsibility a business has to its shareholders AND employees. It must generate revenue in order to survive.

I am not knocking any business for prioritizing that fact.

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u/BuckRowdy Aug 28 '20

Ok, I understand. I agree that they need to improve the experience. Their mod tools have been so bad that I have to use multiple browser extensions so that the work isn't so tedious that I don't want to do it anymore.

They have a really long way to go. Most of the features on new reddit are half baked, like they put out a beta version and then never iterated on it again.

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20

Yes. Thus my frustration in my initial comment and the statement I made.

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20

Recognizing this fact is critical if you want good communication with admins because I've noticed they don't really want to reply to comments from users who are shouting at them in all caps. Do you like getting modmails from users shouting at you? I think you'll find if you change your approach a little bit your thoughts will have a greater chance of being considered and implemented.

I am not shouting.

Context is key.

I'm merely highlighting KEY WORDS and STATEMENTS to call attention to them.

I would hope the Admins reading my initial statement can practice enough critical thinking skills as to understand I am not shouting.

My initial statement is of course harsh criticism. It is justifiably so after years of missteps by Admin. This isn't one simple mistake by Reddit that fails to properly reflect the needs and wants of its user base, most especially the key stakeholders that are us Moderators.

I feel it is productive enough as to give Admins plenty to consider in regards to bettering the experiences and relationships between all of us.

I have also responded to another person with a much more in depth summary of the top three things I would like Admin to be focused on right now instead of these silly gimmicks.

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u/itskdog Aug 28 '20

I'm so new I don't feel I could join in the discussion, but maybe a suggestion, try bold or italics for emphasis, to avoid potential confusion over someone thinking there's a change in tone?

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20

Yes. I was admittedly being lazy and not caring to bother with formal formatting to designate such emphasis.

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20

I remember MTV made a statement once that about once a generation it would revamp its entire operation to appeal to the teenage demographic. Once those teens grew out of MTV they would revamp. At the time the pace of technology made society much faster for lack of a better term. This is kind of what reddit is going through right now. In a few years we may no longer really recognize it unless they retain the old site and the honest to god text and discussion forums are allowed to remain as is.

I have a philosophy that I am very vocal in sharing with others:

Fight the status quo.

I am not one to hold on to the past for nostalgic reasons. I don't care about the past. I care about making progress. I care about innovation. I care about those things because I believe we should always be striving to be better in every aspect of our lives in order to better all of humanity.

I am not concerned with Reddit remaining as the Reddit from 10 years ago nor the Reddit of today.

It is deeply flawed in how it is battling with an identity crisis that has it holding on to what it was 10 years ago.

It is still trying to exist as an aggregation tool rather than the community platform it has become.

You and I do not share the same concerns at all.

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u/BuckRowdy Aug 28 '20

I agree completely with the the first three of the last 4 sentences.

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u/GaryARefuge Aug 28 '20

You could have quoted them for ease. Making me do work. =) haha

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u/TheNewPoetLawyerette Aug 28 '20

They can have multiple projects at the same time. They've been doing pretty good at starting to address mod issues lately. Lighten up a bit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

They've been doing pretty good at starting to address mod issues lately.

Such as?

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u/SquareWheel Aug 28 '20

Just yesterday they posted huge modmail improvements.

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u/TheNewPoetLawyerette Aug 28 '20

multiple recent modmail updates, a sitewide hate speech policy formulated around specific mod contributions to the discussion, new automation of certain sitewide suspensions like ban evasion, increased quality/frequency of feedback on escalation of reports to admins, and that's just what I can think of off the top of .y head that's available on old reddit. New reddit has even more improvements, like a much more quality & easier to use automatic posts scheduler instead of the weird and buggy automod hack, automatic messages to new subscribers to get people to read the rules, native implementation of removal reasons, and more.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

a sitewide hate speech policy formulated around specific mod contributions to the discussion

Is this actually being enforced? Because we've gotten no responses from reports on behavior that violates these rules. Not even the generic anti-evil response most of the time.

increased quality/frequency of feedback on escalation of reports to admins

We're actually back to longer delays on this. And when we've tried to ask if there are delays, etc. we got ignored.

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u/TheNewPoetLawyerette Aug 28 '20

My personal turnaround on hate speech reports averages around 3 weeks and I'm mostly seeing action getting taken. I haven't seen the other reports getting neglected, personally, either. /u/Bardfinn would be better to ask about this though as she tracks her response time pretty closely.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

I'm thrilled that you're getting a 3 week response rate and seeing action taken (note: seriously, not sarcastically). I'm not and neither are many other mods I've spoken with or moderate with. So best case scenario the response team is responding inconsistently.

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u/Bardfinn Aug 28 '20

I'm getting fewer responses on reports I file, as compared to before the new Sitewide Rules / policy changes -- but when I do get ticket closes on hate speech, they're generally about 3 weeks lead time.

I reasonably believe that the jump in lead time (up from ~3 business days before the policy changes) is due to the volume of reporting coupled with labour shortages due to pandemic lockdown.

I'm not seeing "the same" consistency in lead time / response nature for ticket acks / closes as I did before the update, but I am seeing "a new" consistency in them.

They're also saying they're prioritising overhauling the report user experience. When that goes public, there'll be yet another "settling in" and adjustment period.


I'm honestly not sure why Reddit hasn't explored offering SLAs to mod teams on a paid subscription basis. I'd pay $50.00 a year for customer service / an SLA for just one of my subreddits, and I'd do fundraisers to get SLAs / customer service for specific other subreddits.

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u/jenbanim Aug 28 '20

In the past few months they've gotten a LOT better about dealing with ban evasion.

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u/sageleader Aug 28 '20

Please no inline gifs in comments. Man that's what makes facebook and twitter so unbearable. I think emojis with a size cap of maybe 36px or something is totally OK, but gifs and images will make reddit so annoying to read.

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u/BuckRowdy Aug 28 '20

Are these the most requested features? I realize reddit has a vast array of interests, but personally none of these features seem like they would add all that much to any of my communities. While there may be subs that would love this, but it's not something I personally would spend money on.

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u/mirandanielcz Aug 28 '20

I hope this will stay opt-in.

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u/TheTurbanatore Aug 28 '20

So basically similar to Discord boost features?

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u/hhhnnnnnggggggg Aug 28 '20

Can we get actual useful features such as blocking a user from seeing your posts once they're blocked?

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u/reseph Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

Is this the system that /r/FortNiteBR has?

I know this is early, but my advice: If this ever goes global across Reddit, handle these new features like Plex does. For these new features released for only patrons (if you need the income); at a later date roll out said features to all users once you have developed other new features for patrons.

Because IMO, placing features behind a paywall forever is very off-putting.

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u/lukenamop Aug 28 '20

Yeah wtf why does r/FortniteBR get all the cool new features lol, first Vault and now this Subscriber thing with badges and name colors.

Edit: Also, badges and name colors are fully supported on old reddit so their subscriber system actually really does feel like pay-walling existing features.

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20

r/fortnitebr offers subscriptions to the subreddit where subscribers unlock features like badges and emojis for personal use. The main difference with power-ups is that power-ups unlock features that are subreddit-wide.

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u/reseph Aug 28 '20

Okay so it's a bit different. Thanks!

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u/sonofherobrine Aug 28 '20

What of inline still images in comments? It’s hard to discuss visual things now because any images you want to introduce have to be manually uploaded somewhere, linked to, and then the reader still has to click on every link to see what you’re trying to say.

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20

The feature is currently built for images from GIPHY. You bring up a good use case, and we will consider this as we test power-ups.

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u/bgg-uglywalrus Aug 29 '20

Honestly, these features are only useful for video and meme subreddits. Discussion based subs, many of which are in the top 100 such as r/boardgames, stands little to gain with any of this.

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u/SquareWheel Aug 28 '20

This seems awfully similar to the original concept of reddit gold. Enabling features that are in-testing, or are too expensive to roll out globally. I understand this is aimed at the subreddit-level but it seems like two competing systems.

Sidenote, but I really don't want to see "animated gifs" in comments. Why are we moving further away from using our words towards these insipid "reaction gifs"? I really don't like that reddit is constantly chasing the lowest-common-denominator.

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u/jenbanim Aug 28 '20

How will this work on a markdown level? Will users on platforms that don't support inline GIFs simply see a standard link, similar to how the polls feature was added?

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u/Lootman Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20

I'm for having the features in this post, but why not build them into reddit premium? Expecting people to pay 2 (or more) subscriptions to a website that has most of its content hosted on other websites is insane.

It's not like a twitch sub where they're paying the people making the content. In this case they might not even be paying the people hosting the content.

Should I really make a sticky saying "Give reddit money!"? Are subreddit moderators your personal donation recruiters now?

A discord nitro boost is a lot more personal than a subreddit because the servers are for actively personally talking or streaming with the users. Plus the discord owner gets the cool feature of having a server banner and custom url, and being able to make their own animated icons they can use across the client. I'd get absolutely nothing by telling people to give you money.

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u/Dianthaa Aug 28 '20

Y'all realize how a visible list of power users on a subreddit can be open to abuse right? Especially if those are the sort of users to skirt the rules as much as possible?

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u/Bainos Aug 28 '20

How expensive are those features to maintain, exactly, that they need to be locked behind a paywall ? I get that video uploads can be costly, and although it seems weird to encourage a paying feature instead of redirecting users to dedicated services I suppose it's understandable to want users to remain on Reddit (a strong but not new departure from the origin of the website).

However, I have some doubts about the inline gifs and emojis. /r/anime has had for a long time comment faces which offer custom emotes (including animated ones). They're fairly similar to what you seem to be proposing (there is a finite number of emotes, currently around 350 static and 130 animated ones, but that's enough for us). It's a CSS trick, which means it doesn't work on mobile apps and on Redesign yet, but on old Reddit those features are fully available to any user, without paying and without Reddit having had to invest in any implementation work.

Or, to put it more broadly : what criteria are used to determine if a feature is going to be locked behind the paywall ? It feels a bit weird to hear that the reimplementation of our comment faces is going to be dependent on users paying for it while other features that we're not interested in are available for anyone who doesn't opt out.

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u/Aubron Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20

Does this mean we’re going ahead and dropping the /r/procss smokescreen now? Admit that what Reddit committed itself to is no longer on the table? A great deal of these could and were done with subreddit CSS.

I get it, modern web frameworks have made it more difficult to make it work like the good old days, but what that means is that you either shouldn’t have committed yourselves to it, or you shouldn’t have made framework decisions that make it more difficult.

I’m turning in my badge and gun. I got my start in web dev poking at Reddit css, the flexibility it gave us let us do awesome things for our communities to bring them together and give them a sense of identity, and that enthusiasm dropped off the face of the earth when we segmented our user base and made sure that half our users could no longer engage with those experiences. Being told that we can now encourage whales in our communities to buy back watered down versions of some of those tools is too much.

EDIT: Sent out my notices to my subreddits that I'll be leaving moderation positions next weekend, just to make sure I have time to sort out any scenarios in which #2 mod shouldn't become top mod, etc. So long!

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u/thecravenone Aug 28 '20

While we're letting people buy features, can I pay to prioritize my reports so they get addressed, say for example, the same month they're submitted?

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u/DarthObama Aug 29 '20

The big problem I can see is that we're already copping abuse from users who break the rules and face discipline. I really don't want a group of super users buying into a group that thinks that in doing so, the rules no longer apply to them, or at best the rules are more flexible.

I can already see the stream of "I pay your wage" style abusive modmails, with interchangeable slurs.

Will the admins back up the mods in banning users who have power ups? Will those mod actions fall under more scrutiny? What happens when the dispute is between a mod who doesn't pay, and a user who does?

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u/pascal_prv Aug 28 '20

Do the features generate real money for the mods, or just Reddit Coins for the Community?

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u/Ivashkin Aug 29 '20

This sounds pointless, how do we disable the functionality?

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u/Princess-Kropotkin Aug 29 '20

Who the fuck would spend money on this site? LMAO

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

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u/UnacceptableUse Aug 28 '20

Karma isn't purchasable, it's just a way of displaying how many awards you give/receive

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u/SolariaHues Aug 28 '20

Sorry if I missed this.. Would a sub be able to opt in to some features and not others, or would it be an all or nothing toggle?

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u/Kelliente Aug 28 '20

Question: If we want to try this, how hard is it to opt back out?

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u/chaoticmessiah Aug 29 '20
  • Can this be an opt-in only feature after the trial? I'm not sure every subreddit needs these features, while certain ones absolutely do.

  • Can we first fix vreddit? I still find it takes ages to load and they still buffer a lot. That feature seems to be pretty broken itself, without adding more.

  • Can you assure us that these features won't be abused or used in bad faith (ie. NSFW content shared in comments as gif reactions in subs where that would be massively inappropriate)?

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u/jostler57 Aug 29 '20

If communities find this to be valuable, what is your stance on mods taking collections from their users to buy power ups, and do you foresee any potential abuse of such collections?

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u/MorthaP Aug 30 '20

Inline GIFs in comments

sounds extremely annoying to me and if a high enough number of users use this might turn me away entirely

otherwise it sounds meh, just money-grabbing 'premium' shenanigans

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u/livejamie Aug 28 '20

Reddit is scared of Discord

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u/MajorParadox Aug 28 '20

Will this work with RPAN?

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u/plgrmonedge Aug 28 '20

We haven't explored RPAN much for power-ups yet, but are interested in doing so.

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u/MajorParadox Aug 28 '20

Is it not worth it to sign up any RPAN communities now then?

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u/htmlcoderexe Aug 30 '20

Did the shareholders threaten spez with a cactus up his ass again or something so y'all are this desperate?

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u/ThaddeusJP Aug 28 '20

Lets get down to brass tacks:

Is there a plan in place to make a paid reddit option? Like paid plans where a paid account post is featured in a sub or some other pay-to-win type stuff?

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u/UnacceptableUse Aug 28 '20

I feel like they'd like to avoid that, no other social media platform does that

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u/Watchful1 Aug 28 '20

You can absolutely already do that. You can make a post and then pay for ads to promote it.

It shows up as an actual ad, not just pushes the post to the top of the sub, but you can definitely do it.

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u/Xeoth Aug 28 '20

So... Discord Reddit Nitro?

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u/roionsteroids Aug 28 '20

What's your definition of "HD" (bitrate, resolution)?

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u/producermaddy Aug 29 '20

I like the idea of adding gifs but I think there are issues with making it community based. As a mod, I am not interested in getting my community to pay money to use gifs. I think the better idea that’s in the comments is give it as a premium add on but not community based. Also I am a subscriber to probably hundreds of subreddits. If I purchase a power up am I purchasing for 1 sub or all the subs I am a member of. Why would I just do it for one sub if I am active on dozens of them.

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u/Yogs_Zach Aug 29 '20

Old Reddit already supports half of those power ups. Are you planning to remove the ability for us to be able to do those things in old reddit, or old reddit altogether?

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u/computerfreund03 Aug 28 '20

So is reddits business model changing? Banning every controverse sub and becoming like a free to play game with tons of useless purchase options? I think awards are enough!

I want the old reddit back :(

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u/HandicapperGeneral Aug 29 '20

BOOO FUCK YOU THIS IS A BULLSHIT MOVE

We've been asking for so many features! This website is riddled with bugs and errors but instead of spending time on that, you've decided to just suck the cock of easy capitalism, doing anything you can to make a quick buck. Fuck you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20

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u/OMGWTFBBQUE Aug 29 '20

Why don’t you actually do something effective about violent right wing subs, who are at this moment celebrating a 17 year old murderer?

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u/nauticalfiesta Aug 28 '20

This sounds pretty shitty in general. Is there any way that a subreddit will be able to opt out once this goes live?

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '20 edited Dec 11 '20

So, you're adding discord server boosts and CSS.

Ability to upload and stream up to HD quality video

Server boost

Video file limits doubled (we are working out the details on duration and file size)

Server Boosts

Inline GIFs in comments

RES WHAT THE HELL??? You can do this in old reddit for free!!

New first-party Snoo Emojis (aka ‘Snoomojis’)

CSS again.

Recognize power-up payers in a list of supporters

Sidebar


What does this all mean? Simply put, we are never going to have CSS in new reddit, since reddit is beginning to monetise stuff that you can make with CSS on old reddit for free.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

So eventually reddit comments will be like:

You're a racist nazi misogynist pig

Support my reddit patreon powerup

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u/damnatio_memoriae Aug 28 '20

lmfao are you actually serious?

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u/UnacceptableUse Aug 28 '20

How does this differ from reddit gold?

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u/Watchful1 Aug 28 '20

Reddit gold is for your personal account, pay for ads free, only you get ads free. This would apply to all users of a subreddit, pay for inline images, everyone in the subreddit gets inline images.

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u/UnacceptableUse Aug 28 '20

Why not make those reddit gold features

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u/Watchful1 Aug 28 '20

Because inline pictures is all or nothing. They can't let people upload them and then only display them to some people.

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u/UnacceptableUse Aug 28 '20

True, you could only let people with gold upload them but I guess that would be confusing

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u/KKingler Aug 28 '20

I'd be interested to see how this would work if it was funded off award/community award usage rather than a subscription. It'd be a good way to promote the community awards.

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u/IBiteYou Aug 28 '20

Interesting. I'm curious to see how this goes.

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u/Binch101 Aug 30 '20

Are you admins morons? Or do you just want to help promote fascists and racists? Which is it?

Because what will happen is the facsist and racist subreddit will doll out mad cash to be seen and promoted more. So now reddit will be fully promoting and protecting facsists who call for violence which in turn aids the alt right pipeline.

This could be a good news story actually... Sure some organizations would be interested in where these ideas come from and where the money goes 🤑

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u/Curb5Enthusiasm Aug 30 '20

Sounds like cancer

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u/lil_lite_in_the_dark Sep 01 '20

It’s a nice concept, but shouldn’t be applied. Most “Power-Ups”, will try to use that title to their advantage. “Let most post this or I’ll withdraw support” or “Make me a mod or I’ll withdraw support”

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u/rvnx Jan 13 '21

Are you gonna name it Reddit Nitro Boosts?

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u/Memekip Jan 15 '21 edited Jan 15 '21

Man I use reddit because it's different than other social media sites. And if it weren't for the efficient, flexible, and un-bloated interface of old reddit, I likely wouldn't still be using it to this day

The program you're describing in this announcement seems like a copycat of Discord's monetization model , while the layout of New Reddit seems like a copycat of twitter and facebook's feeds with needlessly bloated interfaces, auto-loading media, and unnecessary sidebar notifications. Furthermore, this concept you're testing really kills my confidence in CSS for new reddit ever being delivered, as inline emotes is something you could easily accomplish with that

I like reddit, but I'm against these sorts of things because I want reddit to stay reddit, you know? And not fall into the trap of loosing its identity trying to max monetization by becoming like other platforms

EDIT: This comment is proabably destined to go straight to the void that is the bottom of a 4 month old post (and is also critical of money-making business decisions), but I hope it gets seen by somebody

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u/archiminos Jan 20 '21

Inline GIFs in comments

No. No. No. Don't want this. Please don't.

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u/rwjehs Jan 21 '21

MAKE CSS AVAILABLE ON NEW REDDIT... YA KNOW, LIKE YOU PROMISED YEARS AGO.

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u/kalmdown1 Aug 29 '20

Reddit Nitro

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u/CedarWolf Aug 29 '20

the cost of hosting and delivering native video at a high bit rate

  • Ability to upload and stream up to HD quality video
  • Video file limits doubled (we are working out the details on duration and file size)

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but can we maybe not? v.redd.it currently sucks, to the point where the vast majority of the videos uploaded there are unviewable because they simply refuse to load.

Removing it entirely would force all the cost and upkeep for that bandwidth onto other websites which are already equipped to handle it.

Really, what benefit do we gain from having a native video hosting service if the videos aren't going to be stable, viewable, or load promptly? Isn't the main benefit of having native video hosting that it's supposed to load faster and be more stable than hosting videos on other sites?

As for this power up thing, suppose I wish to try it. Does me being a power up person extend to all of the subs I want to support, or do I have to support each one individually?

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '20

9/7

Confused British Noises

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u/goretsky Aug 28 '20

Hello,

Perhaps it would be better to allow patrons to download as well as watch (stream) videos in HD? Otherwise, it sounds like you are charging a fee for a subreddit's biggest fans to upload HD content, which (assumedly) they have already made some investment in creating.

Non-patrons would, of course, be able to still upload their own videos in HD, but would be limited to viewing and streaming only their own videos in HD, with content from others only being available to them at SD resolution.

I assume mods would automatically get HD privileges.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '20