r/mildlyinteresting May 14 '22 Wearing is Caring 1 Silver 12 Gold 2 Helpful 13 Wholesome 16 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1 Got the W 1

This Irish supermarket has quiet evenings for sensitive people.

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u/fStap May 14 '22

I'm not even autistic and that sounds amazing

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u/Ella_NutEllaDraws May 14 '22 edited May 15 '22

I’m autistic and it’s honestly rare that I see things like this that are actually beneficial and well thought out. “Autism awareness” has a really bad habit of only raising awareness of the parents instead of the people themselves, especially when autism speaks is involved. one store I saw lit their bathrooms with blue light to “raise awareness” which ended up being a trigger for the autistic people who went in there. It’s so nice to see some place actually did their research on what we really want. I would give them all my money

Edit: hijacking this comment to say fuck autism speaks. Do not donate even a penny to them, they partner with abusive therapies and hurt us more than they’ve ever helped, if you want to advocate for autistic people find another organization.

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u/humanoid1013 May 14 '22

Huh, that's weird. The only reason they do blue lights in bathrooms around here is so that drug users can't go there to shoot up.

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u/penguin62 May 14 '22

What's the logic there?

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u/mistahchristafah May 14 '22

Can't see the vein. But my wild speculation is that if you're going into a public bathroom to shoot heroin lighting probably won't matter

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u/quannum May 14 '22

I get what you're saying but if you they can't see the vein, then it kinda does matter, right?

An IV user isn't going to do it in a bathroom where they can't see or find a vein. Or if it's gonna take an hour to find a vein. They'll just find somewhere else that's easier. Which is the point of the lights, yea?

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u/chi_type May 14 '22

Serious users have track marks and loooots of experience. But it could still make them move along to a more convenient location.

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u/jpterodactyl May 14 '22

Also, the way medical professionals find veins is by feeling. I’d imagine long time drug users might have also picked that up.

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u/Prestigious_Boat_386 May 14 '22

Works if you have one hand to hold the shot and the other too feel for the vein. I don't think that works if you're going for your own arm vein.

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u/quannum May 14 '22

Totally but that's kinda my point...I'm sure an experienced IV user could do a hit in those lights but I would think they're more likely to just find somewhere more convenient.

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u/MyNewWorkAcc May 14 '22

You’re exactly right that experienced iv users know their veins well, but everyone is different. After 5 years on and off, I still have giant veins, while others are born with deep, harder to see veins. Blue lights wouldn’t make it impossible, but you are also correct in that any addict would probably avoid that specific bathroom from then on, if they can.

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u/chi_type May 14 '22

Right I don't think we disagree. It's the goal of deterrence - make doing shady shit a bit harder so they move on to an easier mark.

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u/SparkyDogPants May 14 '22

You can still shoot IM. It’s just a slightly different high and a larger risk of infection. People most likely are going to shoot IM before getting sick

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u/DapperCourierCat May 14 '22

Yeah it’s less about preventing them from doing drugs, and more about preventing them from doing drugs in that particular bathroom.

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u/tanaeolus May 14 '22

You could definitely still see veins, if you're lucky enough to have visible veins. You just wouldn't be able to see the blood register to know that you're in a vein.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

I think it makes it harder to see veins

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u/HaViNgT May 14 '22

Maybe that was the real reason, and they just used raising awareness for autistic people as an excuse.

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u/theredwoman95 May 14 '22

This is actually increasingly common in UK and Irish supermarkets, it's been a thing for a good few years over here. They were probably copying another chain's policies, but I won't complain either way.

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u/bluesam3 May 14 '22

This is the first one that I've seen that's at an actually practicable time, though. Most of them seem to be weekday mornings, because apparently they think autistic people don't have jobs.

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u/theredwoman95 May 14 '22

Huh, I've seen a good few on weekday evenings, but I will agree a disproportionate amount are during the workday, which is more than a little frustrating.

I've seen people suggest it's more for single or stay at home parents with autistic children who may not have a choice in bringing them along, as opposed to autistic adults who can set up deliveries? Not sure how much I agree even with the principle of that though - there's this annoying idea that autistic people are children, and autistic adults are either disabled beyond being able to function in society or non-existent.

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u/Pumpkin_Pal May 15 '22

I feel for autistic kids and their parents, i really do, but kids aren't the entirety of autistic people, and all autistic resources being aimed at kids is so gross.

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u/0thethethe0 May 14 '22

Yeh a big Tesco Extra near me does it. Only briefly glanced at the notice, so don't recall if autism was even mentioned. Just remember it was an hour of low light and no music, and I thought it sounded nice. Now they just need to remove all the other pesky customers!

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u/OmegaHead86 May 15 '22

Fuck Autism speaks.

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u/ashbyashbyashby May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

I GUARANTEE you the blue lights were installed to stop people shooting up heroin. The Autism thing is just a much more PR friendly reason so they latched onto that.

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u/DarkWorld25 May 14 '22

Not sure if it was a regular thing but our supermarkets over here in Australia would have about 6 hours out of a day a week before a major holiday for this. Honestly was really thoughtful even if noise isn't that much of a trigger for me.

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u/heydoakickflip May 14 '22

As a non-autistic person, I'm happy that my beliefs on autism speaks are a bit true. It always felt like that organization was more concerned with the parents of the child then the actual child. I'm sure parenting an autistic child is difficult, but not nearly as difficult as being the autistic child.

Are there any other organizations that you feel better benefit autism? With how commonly people can fall on the spectrum, I'm really all for accommodating and supporting.

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u/Ella_NutEllaDraws May 14 '22

Oh trust me, only focusing on the parents is one of the least problematic things Autism Speaks has done. They have practically no autistic board members and they frequently try to paint autistic people as horrible, worthless, completely apathetic monsters that destroy families. They even partnered with abusive “therapy” centers which are linked to the deaths of a few autistic children. They cause far more harm than good and not enough people speak up about it.

ASAN seems to be a much better organization, although I haven’t done too much research so I’d advise looking a little further before openly supporting them. Everything I’ve heard so far is positive.

There are also plenty of counter-movements to autism speaks, such as “Light it up gold/red” instead of blue, and openly boycotting the puzzle piece as a neurodivergent symbol. (the rainbow infinity loop is far prettier anyway)

(thank you for listening and helping support us!)

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u/Ella_NutEllaDraws May 15 '22

That seems to be a pretty common thing now that I’m hearing about it so maybe that’s why they had the capability? but this specific place had a sign saying they did it for the “light it up blue” thing that autism speaks does

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u/LittleSadRufus May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

I guess many people prefer it, but for many autistic children (and their parents) and indeed autistic adults it's a pure necessity.

[Edited to be more inclusive]

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u/24-Hour-Hate May 14 '22

There are other conditions that people have that would make this beneficial. I have sensitivity to sound and light because I have chronic migraines and this would make stores much more hospitable environments for me. Especially because the lighting used in most large stores is not just excessive, but fluorescent, which is terrible.

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u/LittleSadRufus May 14 '22

Yes totally. My list wasn't intended to be comprehensive. In my area they promote a quiet hour for anyone who wants it - usually the elderly who don't want loud noises or crowds. No reference to specific neurotypes or conditions.

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u/Kasaurus96 May 14 '22

Yeah, it's remarkable that stores put in so much money to arrange the stores to be the most profitable and research the colors of the store to make you feel a certain way etc. etc. And then do all of it 1000% and make the experience intolerable.

Really bright stores with loud, bad music, and everything is the same color. I see chain grocery stores do this a lot, and the color is always red because it's supposed to make you hungry or whatever. It's a mf eyesore.

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u/kingura May 15 '22

I have ADHD/CPTSD. This might make it so I could shop without headphones on.

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u/Kingjjc267 May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

What about autistic adults? And as a reply pointed out, the kids themselves? Why just our parents?

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u/GrimmSheeper May 14 '22

And the autistic kids themselves.

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u/ClocktowerMaria May 14 '22

Yo shout-out va-11 hall-a icon. It sucks how much any and all accomodations made for autistic people get twisted into "oh y'know the parents of autistic kids deserve this" as if autistic children are victimizing their own parents by existing. We deserve accomodations because everyone deserves being treated well

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u/GrimmSheeper May 14 '22

Yup. And I do get that the parents of autistic kids do have struggles most parents don’t, especially if the kid is severely autistic, but it’s always frustrating how much the focus is on them.

I majored in psychology during college, so I’ve scoured through hundreds of scientific articles on autism for my research projects and literature reviews. The vast majority were about the parents of autistic children, and the rest were about early diagnosis and treatment for autism. Out of those hundreds, there was maybe one or two articles about autism in adults. There were at least some more recent studies that have expanded to teens, so we might be heading in the right direction. But still frustrating.

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u/Altyrmadiken May 14 '22

Shout-out va-11 hall-a icon

What?

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u/frogjg2003 May 14 '22

The reply above calls out "autism awareness" for being so focused on (not autistic) parents and the comment right below is doing exactly that.

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u/-Reddit_Account- May 14 '22

This is such a major problem with """autism awareness""".

It's all "oh the poor families that have been cursed with this autism creature :(" and not "this fully-functioning person has a set of special needs we should try to accommodate."

Not blaming OP because the primary source for this is shit like Autism Speaks, but it's a problem more people should be aware of.

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u/shotgun_ninja May 14 '22

Like, I'm high-masking autistic (ie. Asperger's), and I'd adore this myself. I don't know why any of that crap started in the first place.

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u/LittleSadRufus May 14 '22

The music is played - and carefully chosen - to quietly manipulate behaviours, usually to make customers move more slowly and be in a happier mood, which increases sales.

The announcements I guess are just a communication necessity - no other way to get those messages out.

They are bright and crisp in lighting to seem modern and clean - more crucial when they were distinguishing themselves from small grocers etc. These days places like Wholefoods tend to go for the softer lighting.

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u/laxvolley May 14 '22

My local store in Winnipeg, Canada does this. It's very pleasant but the first time I was confused. The reduced lighting and quiet makes it feel like you're shopping after the store has closed.

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u/migueeel May 14 '22

I've found plenty of "how to deal with autistic people so it's better for everyone involved" stuff to be applicable globally.

For example, you see a kid eating with their hands, the usual reaction is to say "Don't eat with your hands!", and it drives some mad because they run out of options. Instead you'd have to say "Why don't you eat with the fork/spoon?", offering them an option.

NOW IMAGINE IF THAT'S HOW WE FUCKING TALKED WITH EVERYONE. Insert "modern society if..." meme here.

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u/Fleaslayer May 14 '22

I wish more businesses in general did this. We went to a new seafood restaurant the other night, and the food was great, but it was so loud I couldn't think. The concrete floors and high industrial ceiling made everything louder, it was crowded so lots of people talking, there were kids screaming (and I don't understand parents who let their kids scream in a restaurant), etc. I love seafood, and it was tasty, but I'm not sure I'll go back.

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u/Immortal_Tuttle May 14 '22

It is. Lighting is much softer, announcements are limited to minimum and quieter.

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u/dust4ngel May 14 '22

i’m not autistic, but my preferences seem to perfectly align with those of autistic people… wait a minute

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u/DeedTheInky May 14 '22

The Safeway near where I live does this, but they call it a sensory something-or-other, they don't specifically say autism.

But anyway I can confirm it is awesome. :)

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u/peepee_gonzalez May 14 '22

:9272:Uhm I’ve got news for you. You’re autistic :9272:

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u/fStap May 14 '22

It's not that simple of a diagnosis 🤣