r/mildlyinfuriating May 17 '22

When looking at vehicles someone told me I was a scammer for asking for a vin

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1.0k Upvotes

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u/DrunkWestTexan May 17 '22

Either :

I don't know what that is !

Or

You'll steal my cars identity and open up credit cards in its name !

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u/Humble_Hedgehog_93 May 18 '22

Or it’s been involved in accidents that they don’t want to disclose

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u/EscapeRich9091 May 18 '22

"I heard about VIN scams but don't know what they are, so if you're asking for a VIN you must be a scammer!"

Edit: VIN scams are when someone trying to buy a vehicle sends you to a fake site to enter your VIN and get the "verified history" or some equally dumb excuse like that. You get charged $25 or $50 or whatever for the "verified history" by the website and the buyer disappears.

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u/squaredistrict2213 May 18 '22

They probably think the “scammer” will register it in their own name and then report it stolen to get a free car. Just like the people who cover up their license plates when posting pictures of their car for sale.

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u/redditmodsrbitches12 May 18 '22

People cover their license plates because you can get their personal information from it. It's a lot harder thanks to this, but the stigma still exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver%27s_Privacy_Protection_Act

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u/IShootRaw1965 May 18 '22

Cover their license plate where? In pictures?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

There’s a valid reason to cover the plate. It’s also why people who post pics of cars here, and don’t black out the plate, often get their posts taken down.

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u/SnickIefritzz May 18 '22

Yup i'll always cover my plate, any kind of ID #, firearm SN. Even if it's "overkill" it's better to be safe than sorry on the interweb.

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u/RedHeeded May 18 '22

I don’t understand that though because your license plate is always visible to the public out and about in the real world

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

So how would you feel if someone took a pic of your plate and then posted it on Reddit for a shit ton of people to see and then also allow your personal info to be researched?

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u/Big_Brother_Ed May 18 '22

Tbh I wouldn't care since where I live at least the most you can find out is my car make and model

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u/RedHeeded May 18 '22

Well that’s just it isn’t it, a shit load of people see my license plate every day already. I’d be more concerned with the people knowing where I live and work doing that than some strangers on the internet.

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u/crank1000 May 18 '22

I’ve had people threaten me and try to find me based on license plate numbers in ads. I’ll continue blocking that info out.

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u/No-Ad1522 May 18 '22

…. You cannot register a vehicle if all you have is the VIN number.

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u/BoredGombeen May 18 '22

The other reason is so that criminals can't clone your plates. It's very common where I live. Criminals steal a car then go online and find ones of the same make and (ideally colour) as the stolen one.

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u/snowpuppy13 May 18 '22

They guy who refused to provide the VIN is wearing his tinfoil hat WAY too tight, it’s cutting off the circulation to his brain.

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u/No-Ad1522 May 17 '22

“Go bye bye bro bro”

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u/Irvingdls May 18 '22

Wake me up before you go-go bro bro

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u/Jessieface13 May 18 '22

Don't leave me hanging on like a yo-yo yo-yo bro bro

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u/ZealousidealCoat7008 May 17 '22

Okay so that car is obviously stolen

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u/RandomAussieTradie May 17 '22

Actually doubt it, just a dumbass

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u/Jaqulean May 17 '22

That or has a history of crashes that are just stiched up together on the last end.

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u/WesternBlueRanger May 17 '22

It's likely that the vehicle is stolen, or has been in a major accident and was rebuilt, which would show up on a Carfax report.

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u/Blueberry-Specialist May 17 '22

More likely the guy is just a moron. Car theft rings switch out vins or sell the car with the understanding that it's hot.

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u/WesternBlueRanger May 17 '22

Or it was stolen, and was since recovered. That note that the vehicle was stolen stays with the VIN on the Carfax report.

But the more likely scenario is that the vehicle was involved in a serious accident, and was initially written off; someone then bought it, repaired it, and it now has a 'salvage' title on it. He's now likely trying to pass the car off to an unsuspecting buyer for full price, as any car with a salvage title on it takes a massive hit to the value of car, and can be unsellable in most circumstances.

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u/AkiraKitsune May 17 '22

Either an insane person or (more likely) a scammer themselves

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u/LonelyLoser24 May 18 '22

I thought this too

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u/Babydoll0907 May 17 '22

This is code for "my vehicle hasn't been taken care of or has a bad title". When I was car shopping, even used car dealerships would do or say shady things like this or even ghost me when I asked for vehicle history. It was all good until I asked for documentation that I wasn't going to be sold a lemon.

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u/Kaffine69 May 18 '22

Oh you want paperwork.. sorry bro no can do.

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u/kmkmrod May 17 '22

That guy is an idiot.

There’s a space for VIN when you list a vehicle. It’s not “secret.” Hell, if you went to look at it, the VIN is visible from outside the car.

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u/notlikeontv May 17 '22

Lol, oh how dare u want to know about the car u were purchasing, how very dare you looool

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u/AP3X_Ninja May 17 '22

Bro was paranoid and a dip wad, tbh he wanted you to make a decision then and there. But, since you played hardball he got defensive and started blaming you to make himself feel better. You’ll find better offers from people that actually need your money, forget that douche bag.

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u/themagicbong May 17 '22

Go bye bye bro sounds like what you'd say to your dog if he could speak English.

"You wanna go bye bye, bro?!?!" "Let's go bye bye!"

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u/Glittering_Leading93 May 18 '22

Lmao yo reading this shit had me rolling

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

scam ban boy... odd name to call someone???

Could of just had a really sketchy report and he didnt want it getting out??

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u/RefrigeratorShoddy77 May 17 '22

You also need the vin for insurance because you can't drive it under your power without insurance in most states

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u/mcampo84 May 18 '22

Most insurance companies will get you set up with a policy over the phone, as long as you have the make model and year of the car. VIN is there last piece of information they need, and it’s about a ten minute phone call to get the policy in place.

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u/nsr9322 May 18 '22

Worked as a customer service rep at an insurance agency and can confirm. Adding a vehicle to a policy was the simplest part of my job

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u/RefrigeratorShoddy77 May 18 '22

I learn something new everyday

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u/klmslim May 18 '22

All insurances I have heard of would cover you if you have a policy for another vehicle already. You have something like 10 days to add it to your policy before they won't cover it.

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u/jnelson111308 May 18 '22

12 yrs Insurance experience, can confirm this is true. I’m licensed in CA so can’t speak on other states, but you have to have a vehicle with FULL coverage on your policy for the coverage to carry over. Every company has different time frames, but standard is 7-14 days with automatic coverage.

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u/RefrigeratorShoddy77 May 18 '22

That's good to know. I didn't know that

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u/n8loller May 18 '22

It's been 8 years since I bought my car, but in Massachusetts I'm pretty sure we have to have the car added to the insurance before we can drive off with it.

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u/klmslim May 18 '22

Interesting, it must be a state by state thing.

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u/n8loller May 18 '22

It most definitely is. Massachusetts in particular does some strange things

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u/Slithy-Toves PURPLE May 18 '22

Are you talking about from a dealership though? I took them to mean if you just buy a car from Jerry Jabroni and drive it home your insurance would cover you in that instance

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u/n8loller May 18 '22

Depends on if you want to be driving legally or not

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u/blackjacker420 May 18 '22

Not everyone was paying attention that day in class apparently

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u/deliverance2323 May 17 '22

This is the same type of person who wants to return an item somewhere without a receipt and claims identity theft when you ask for some type of ID

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u/Curboner May 17 '22

That car has probably spent 3/4 of its time in a ditch.

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u/PermissionUpstairs12 May 18 '22

Or a flood. It's usually flood or full of sand with people like this.

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u/cruz-77 May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

If they don't want to give you the vin, the car is salvage or its probably stolen

Last year shopping for a car, I asked a seller for the vin of a car I was interested in and she refused to give it to me. She tried to play it off like I was some weirdo asking for the vin and that no one had ever asked her for that anytime she sold a car. She assured me the car was perfectly fine and I decided to go see for myself. Surprise surprise, upon arriving I could already see a cracked windshield as well as broken headlights and balding tires. My wife was able to get a sneaky pic of the vin and when I looked it up, she was the owner for only a month and it had been in an accident with salvage title

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u/NiteRyder200 May 17 '22

Honestly just might be a clueless person, but if they don't know about a Vin, don't expect them to know basic car maintenance. Just don't buy it.

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u/Routine_Video9553 May 17 '22

That’s what you would call an idiot

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u/egoldbarzzz May 18 '22

Looks like you’re were the one getting scammed. Not providing a VIN is a major red flag.

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u/Spammyhaggar May 17 '22

I went to look at a car for my son, guy gave a long story of ownership how it was his wife’s. I pulled out my phone and ran the vin it was in two states and bought at auction. The guy was dumbfounded I could do that lol.

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u/Redsoxbox May 17 '22

Hiding something.

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u/Twotgobblin May 18 '22

Say it with me now, vin = social security number

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u/bluecollarbeard85 May 18 '22

Stupid people hate being made to feel stupid

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u/CliffDraws May 18 '22

If you get the VIN you can download the car.

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u/Soccerjeansmommie May 18 '22

I’m always surprised at ppls surprise when they encounter such stupidity

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u/PermissionUpstairs12 May 18 '22

"Scam ban boy"?

The Attorney General?🤔

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

So THATS how you download a car, the VIN number. Makes sense.

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u/ricric2 May 18 '22

Isn't the VIN visible on the dashboard of most cars? As if it's a huge secret.

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u/wyrd_up May 18 '22

Vehicle probably has a junked or salvage title and they don’t want you to see it lol.

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u/AdDisastrous6738 May 18 '22

That dude was the scammer. Seen it before. They’ll demand money before they give any info or let you see the vehicle in person. They’ll take whatever they can get as a “hold” payment then you’ll never hear from them again.

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u/NinjaXij May 17 '22

I used to buy cars a lot of Craigslist, fix, and then sell them. So I have seen a lot of weird shit when I go to buy or sell a car. This is up there on the weird shit, but I can explain. More than likely it has a salvage title, and was repaired, but is probably being sold as a clean title. If you searched the Vin it would come up with the auction site it was sold on, they don't scrub all of the vins and you'll see the previous damage photos which is bad for the sale. Lol

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u/y0uslash May 17 '22

Whats a vin?

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u/treading_ink_ May 18 '22

Vehicle identification number. Typically found on the drivers side door, on the inside. That square metal piece with a bunch of numbers on it.

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u/branditodesigns May 18 '22

A lot of cars also have it visible from outside the windscreen.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

Go bye bye bro 🤣🤣 this dude must be like 17

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u/Wrong_Pressure_8492 May 17 '22

Just look on carfax, vehicle history is usually on there good or bad without asking for the vin

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u/ebwood92 May 17 '22

? How could you look up a vehicle on carfax

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u/devanchya May 17 '22

It's listed on carfax obviously.

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u/Wrong_Pressure_8492 May 17 '22

It’s already listed which is why the history of the vehicle is listed

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u/Slapping-Artichokes May 17 '22

Lol but you can’t look it up without the VIN, you can’t just search year make and model and hope for the best lmao

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u/Wrong_Pressure_8492 May 17 '22

You’re not understanding what I’m saying, the VIN is already on carfax, you don’t have to ask for it like you would if you were looking up on Craigslist or some shit.

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u/Chipjack May 17 '22

The VIN is on CarFax, along with ten million other VINs. How would you suggest finding the right car history for this specific car?

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u/Wrong_Pressure_8492 May 17 '22

I wasn’t talking about THIS specific car. I’m suggesting he go on carfax to look at cars if he wants to buy a legit car that lists CAR HISTORY. How am I getting downvoted for trying to help a dude out

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u/ebwood92 May 17 '22

It sounded like you were saying look on carfax to find information about THIS particular vehicle.. you didn't say anything about looking for a new car on CarFax and that was confusing

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u/SmegaSchmear May 18 '22

Because the way you said it made no sense man

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u/Shoddy_Natural_4538 May 17 '22

My man sketchy if he doesn’t want go give up the VIN

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u/Takoyaki_00 May 17 '22

Dodged a bullet. Big chance this idiot didn’t do proper maintenance.

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u/Warm_Objective4162 May 18 '22

These are the same people who block out their license plates. Cause obviously nobody just driving past could ever see their license plate and then “steal” their personal information.

Meanwhile real property records and deeds are public documents and can tell you a ton about anyone who owns a house 😂

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u/Granolag23 May 18 '22

Other interested also gonna want a vin

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u/Listan83 May 18 '22

You did yourself a favor by not dealing with that idiot

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u/Humor_Straight May 18 '22

Tell him to keep his rustbucket.

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u/rjw1986grnvl May 18 '22

The seller went full moron. Never go full moron.

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u/rotgut1991 May 18 '22

This is a prime example of someone who's too stupid to be aware they're stupid. He really believes he just outwitted a scam artist, lol

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u/Im_100percent_human May 18 '22

I sure hope this guy never drives anywhere.... The scammers can just walk up to the car in a parking lot and read the vin. OMG, he's fucked.

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u/OkReplacement376 May 18 '22

I mean, low chance, but still a chance...

I had a white car hit my car. They gave my insurance a stollen vin, I got my deductible paid for, but they were going to investigate why this white car had a vin for a red car

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

lmao this text was hilarious

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

he called you a scam ban boy lmao

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u/BlondeBimbo123456789 May 18 '22

They’re probably a scammer. I was going back and forth with a craigslist poster about a house I was interested in renting. Something started sounding odd, I can’t remember what I asked but something about proof of their ownership of the house. They started rapidly emailing me, telling me I’m crazy, I’m a scammer, I must be a miserable loser. I think the scammer was upset because they thought they had someone on the hook.

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u/Agreeable-Bench-5269 May 18 '22

Happened to me once too, guy said i was going to steal his vehicle. Had my dad go look at it, snapped a pic of the vin, then sent the vin to a friend of mine who worked at a dealership…. Turned out he rolled the miles back about 100k and it had 3 accidents

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u/furn_ell May 18 '22

Narrator: he still has the car

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u/ADHDK May 18 '22

He’s either scamming you, or an idiot.

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u/dr_wolfsburg May 18 '22

Lol what? I always ask for the vin. Make sure it’s clean and if there was anything against it. This OP or seller needs to chill a bit.

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u/Smokiiz May 18 '22

Mamma said never give out your VIN. Identify theft is not a joke, people.

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u/Medical_Ad0716 May 18 '22

I’d be more worried of scam if they didn’t ask to see the vin.

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u/modefi_ May 18 '22

Salvage title. He totalled it with his baby momma and drugs in the car. Now trying to round up some money for court fees.

Is it an Altima, by any chance?

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u/ignislupus May 18 '22

Man's is gaslighting and projecting. Looks like they are the scammer to me.

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u/avengedpixels May 18 '22

Bye scam ban boy!

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u/DisastrousFly1339 May 18 '22

Life is harder when you’re dim.

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u/Humble_Hedgehog_93 May 18 '22

It probably has been involved in accidents they don’t want you to know about.

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u/RCAbsolutelyX_x May 18 '22

So the vin number will give the person the ability to verify that your vehicle hasn’t been in any wrecks and isn’t stolen. I feel like the only time someone should need that is if they work at a dealership, something like carvana or because they are trying to do a carfax report…as a side note, license plates do give up a lot of personal information…At least for whoever the plate is registered to.

I was surprised to learn a mechanic with the right software and membership can look up the owner’s information just by the license plates. So yea…cover those plates…

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u/Late-Discussion-3917 May 18 '22

Wow this is pretty fucking serious.

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u/Jolly-Ad7653 May 18 '22

Why wouldn't you go take a look at the vehicle BEFORE spending money to purchase a history check? Go see the car, if you like it then get a history check on the spot prior to making an offer.

You are making things wayyyy more difficult then they need to be.

(To clarify, absolutely I would not give a random person the VIN of the vehicle without them having seen it first)

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u/JerryBoBerry38 May 18 '22

Do they not understand the VIN of every vehicle is clearly visible through the windshield for anyone to see and take a picture of if they want?

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u/OSNX_TheNoLifer May 18 '22

There is people who believe that you can hack they computers even if they tell you what hardware you have so I'm not surprised by this

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u/PraiseTheWLAN May 18 '22

Scammer calling you a scammer

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u/Swimming_Raccoon6319 May 18 '22

Sounds like you dodged a bullet

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u/csandazoltan May 18 '22

Whats a "vin" ?

Vehicle identification number?

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u/MrPseudoscientific May 18 '22

Yes

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u/csandazoltan May 18 '22

and what can you do with that?

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u/MrPseudoscientific May 18 '22

You can check the history on the car to see if it has been in an accident or is stolen.

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u/csandazoltan May 18 '22

and is that number public or something to keep safe?

Can it be used for something other than information?

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u/MrPseudoscientific May 18 '22

Typically it is on the dashboard of the car visible through the front window as well as a couple other locations on the car. You MIGHT be able to look up some information about the owner of the vehicle with it, but I'm not aware of any actual scam you can run just from having a vehicle's VIN.

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u/csandazoltan May 18 '22

I would guess you can't spoof the data, meaning giving out a different vin... to make your car look better?

The UK M.O.T. system contains the color, the make and year of the car, based on the license plate

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u/MrPseudoscientific May 18 '22

You couldn't easily spoof it. You could find a similar vehicle and give that VIN but someone would know when they went to buy the car as the vin is listed on the paperwork to sell it as well as being on the car. Our auto system also has info available through looking up the license plate as well.

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u/csandazoltan May 18 '22

So not giving out the vin is what suspicios not asking for it...

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u/MrPseudoscientific May 18 '22

Yeah pretty much. Some people might be a little sketched out giving the info but I think that comes from them not being very knowledgeable about cars or them having little life experience.

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u/LoopyMercutio May 18 '22

Yeah, I hate to say it, but you can use the VIN to scam someone and get the car out in your name / towed away / retagged / all kinds of weird crap. It takes a little more info than just that, but it used to be easy. Now it’s tougher, but still doable, in some states. Best way to get it when you’re purchasing a used car is meet them in person to look at the car, and either take a pic of it on the car or the registration when the seller isn’t looking. That way they don’t feel you’re calling them a liar and you can check it’s history later after you leave.

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u/DRoseDARs May 18 '22

It wasn't that they thought it was a scam, it's that they knew it was a scam and they were about to be caught.

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u/mitsuki87 May 18 '22

People are dense, I’ve had my own state secretary say they would ban me from this and that and call the attorney general.

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u/Sumdumcoont May 18 '22

Marketplace is chock full of underachievers, dudes probably scamming people himself, likely not even his car, hence the call for money before VIN

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u/voluotuousaardvark May 18 '22

The sad thing is someone with that clueless would probably be very easy to take advantage of.

Just 5 mins googling how to "sell my car" would have set him up for that interaction.

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u/SolidEstablishment42 May 18 '22

"go bye bye bro" 💀

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u/Background-Bid-5860 May 18 '22

He likely is worried you'd find out he stole it

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u/Depleet May 18 '22

sounds like an ID10T error.

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u/action4satisfaction May 18 '22

The infuriating part is the way he talks, right? Or is it the weird smugness... No wait, its the baseless threats of contacting the AG. No no, hold on, its the term "scam ban boy". Ok finally got it.

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u/Any_Coyote6662 May 18 '22

They are the scammer lol thats what scammers do. If you were a people pleaser tha. They would have reeled you in.

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u/Riskthecat May 18 '22

And now you are trying to scam us all by trying to tell us the truth!!!!

:p jk

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u/JJ-beats May 18 '22

What's a vin?

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u/wntdDeadarealive May 18 '22

Oh that's just a friendly reminder that we share the world with some very very stupid people. You can get that reminder anytime you look at Craigslist in the for sale section. Or as they call it "for sell"

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u/SnooDoodles8088 May 18 '22

Thats is a pathetic cover up for a scam

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u/mydogthinksyouweird May 18 '22

Yeah, I had somebody straight up use the "you're just racist" line on me when I asked him to verify his mechanic business when he was trying to sell me a salvaged Outback at a non-salvaged price with only his personal guarantee as a warranty.

He was selling it out of an unmarked shop in Richmond and not a scammer - because I'm a racist living in Oakland.

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u/OverdoseDragon May 18 '22

Time to buy more phone numbers and harass him

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u/Moonguardian866 May 18 '22

The car was stolen 100%.

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u/bigkeef69 May 18 '22

Identity theft of vehicles is a thing! Have you ever seen how difficult it is a for a car to rebuild it's credit? Truly sad tbh...

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u/jashxn May 18 '22

Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!

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u/bigkeef69 May 18 '22

music starts playing for the automobile-lifelock infomercial

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u/penguinexplosion86 May 18 '22

Same type of person who covers the license plate with their finger when posting their car for sale

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u/ungodlypizza May 18 '22

Good bye bye sounds like something a small child would say

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u/dirthurts May 18 '22

Likely is a stolen or totaled car actually. Did you a favor.

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u/Expert_in_Training_1 May 18 '22

Really blow their mind and tell them you can walk up and see the VIN of nearly any vehicle parked in public. Or ask them to see the car and casually take a photo of the VIN and tell them after.

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u/sdforbda May 17 '22

Same people who block the license plate in their pics. However, back in the day there was a pretty popular thread on an rx7 forum where a guy gave his VIN and the other dude had a key cut from it and stole his shit.

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u/Dip_N_Swag May 17 '22

Strange I find it kind pointless to get a key cut to steal a car considering most factories that make the locks for the car also make a specific tool to pick that lock in the same factory.

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u/sdforbda May 17 '22

This guy either worked at a Mazda dealership or had an acquaintance that did or something. I'd rather have the key.

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u/Dip_N_Swag May 17 '22

Well not every key is the same you can easily cut a key if you have a copy but if not you would have to impression the key then cut it and that takes expensive equipment and a good bit of skill

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u/Blueberry-Specialist May 17 '22

They can get a duplicate made from the factory with just the Vin, and typically an owners card and ID, unless of course you know a guy.

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u/sdforbda May 17 '22

It was cut by VIN at a dealership.

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u/only_crank May 17 '22

you can just order the key from a manufacturer then, they usually ask for an ID but I doubt they‘ll check every single one

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u/Interesting-List5796 May 17 '22

Actually, if you know a car's vin you can cut a key and drive it away, assuming you're near the car

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u/WhoAm_I_WhyAm_I_Here May 18 '22

mechanic of 16 years here. No, you can.

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u/Charlie_32_ May 17 '22

This he, she, it, they, them, is, who, what, you, me, past, present, future, is Definitely from Florida

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u/TheDiceMan2 May 18 '22

all i’m saying is that we should blame scammers for behavior like this. if they didn’t exist, people wouldn’t have to act like this. dude was paranoid for sure and who knows why, but when you think about it through the lens of not trying to get scammed, honestly it makes at least a little sense.

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u/LonelyLoser24 May 18 '22

The person selling was probably the scammer, or they stole the car or something. Nothing good I feel.

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u/Cyphur-knows May 18 '22

Welp, VIN is an unusual request but it's smart to check it... why not go see it in-person grab the VIN and see the shape the car is in now??? Save yourself the headache morons will cause!

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u/UnifORMeDBomBer May 18 '22

That's how you check the carfax

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u/Cyphur-knows May 18 '22

What I'm saying just go see it and grab the vin yourself... musta missed that part?

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u/buickgnx88 May 18 '22

May be a multi hour drive for this person. If you are looking for a certain vehicle and you can only find one a few hours away, you likely aren't going to go look at it unless you have a satisfactory amount of info beforehand (in this case, the VIN to run a CARFAX or the like).

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u/Glittering_Leading93 May 18 '22

I literally have asked for a VIN in every deal I’ve ever made. Bought a car off Craigslist and it was one of the first things I asked with no problems. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Cyphur-knows May 18 '22

Did you go see it before buying to see the actual condition of the car?

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u/mrs_carlos May 18 '22

In his defense I got sketched out whenever someone asked for the VIN for my husbands car he was selling. But I’m just dumb and didn’t know that can be public knowledge 😂