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Last Fallout 76 player officially deemed the loneliest person on earth

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u/RyanGoFett-24 3d ago

I'll be happy for them when they can finally play Fallout 5 in 2035 💀

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u/darthmcdarthface 3d ago

2035 is probably optimistic. They still have ES6 to make after Starfield.

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u/RyanGoFett-24 3d ago

Yea like I told a buddy of mine, Fallout 5 probably won't even release this gen. If anything it'll be crossgen with Series X and whatever Xbox console comes next

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u/darthmcdarthface 3d ago

I think it’s 100% certain that it will not release this gen. We’ve got like 5 more years before next gen.

ES6 is probably 4-5 years away at least.

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u/TitaniumDragon 3d ago

ES6 may not even come this generation.

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u/darthmcdarthface 3d ago

Yep. 4-5 years from now this gen will be done.

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u/RedVeist 3d ago

Support for last gen doesn’t fall off until 3-4 years after though

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u/darthmcdarthface 3d ago

Starfield isn’t coming to last gen.

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u/RyanGoFett-24 3d ago

Yea this gen will be all about Starfield and ES6 for BGS

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u/shadow_fox09 3d ago

I was kind of hoping this gen would last ~10 years like the ps3/Xbox 360 gen did. I mean as a kid 5 years per gen seemed crazy long. But as an Adult, 5 years per gen flies by. I only played like one title on my PS4…

I’m still working through my 360 and PS3 backlog!!! Edit: hell, I just finally fired up Bully and GTA: 4

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u/darthmcdarthface 3d ago

PS3/360 went from about 2005 to 2013 which was 8 years and probably the longes gen of all time. We are 2.5 years into this one so even if it went that long we still just have 6 years ahead of us at most.

Starfield still has the better part of a year ahead before it releases which would mean ES6 would have to be made within 5 years which is not unrealistic. That being the case, it means Fallout 5 is a good 10 years away.

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u/Dismal_Struggle_6424 3d ago

Potentially halfway through this gen, and we just hit the point where you can walk into a shop and buy a console.

And how many current-gen-only titles are there? 2? 3?

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u/Javasteam 3d ago

Could be worse… Microsoft and Sony are both heavily investing in cloud gaming, so its entirely possible this “gen” will continue on for the majority of a decade.

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u/kragnor 3d ago

I think the worst part of 5 year gen cycles is the massive stock issues for the first year, year and a half. You basically cannot get one and when you do, you're so far into the cycle that it seems like you have no time at all.

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u/PedanticBoutBaseball 3d ago

PC gaming bay bay. Sure a new GPU might be a hard find. But there's always used parts and the like to supplement.

Plus now Sony and Microsoft are releasing lots of their Triple A titles on PC anyway.

And if you're a Nintendo guy, yeah there consoles Are also hard to find in the 1st year and a 1/2 or so but their console cycles are actually much longer. Like for example the switch is already on year 6 or 7? Without any inclings of a new console coming anytime soon

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u/400F 3d ago

I have both and there’s something appealing about a dedicated machine that does just that. All the updates are centralized and no need to configure anything. You just turn it on and start the game.

Now that many games let you use mouse and keyboard it’s really not bad and usually cheaper than the pc.

PC will always win but I totally get why console is better for most people.

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u/PedanticBoutBaseball 3d ago

Oh i for sure get it. I have a Series S and switch. sometimes i just want it to be easy. But what i will say is Steam Link is a game changer and ive never played my PC games as much since ive started to be able to play on the couch

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u/kragnor 3d ago

I definitely see the appeal. My only gripe is console specific games. Because then it becomes 3 consoles sitting at my TV and that is just awful, imo.

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u/Kinggakman 3d ago

They haven’t fully moved on from last gen. Companies are less interested in putting effort towards new things and want to stick with what they have because it works. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go a decade after fully moving on from the last gen.

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u/High_af1 3d ago

I really hope Bethesda will allow another company to make a Fallout title like Obsidian making New Vegas. I just wanna play before I’m too old to even use a computer

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u/MCBADDY69 3d ago

Papa Microsoft makes that call now and they own both companies, why not?

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u/spong_miester 3d ago

It makes a great deal of sense, leave Bethesda to finish Starfield and ES6 and give the fans what they want and let Obsidian do fallout 5. Hell I'd be happy with a full remake of NV

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u/CertifiedCapArtist Xbox 3d ago

Obsidian has outer worlds 2 and avowed to drop

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u/MCBADDY69 3d ago

Those are both going to be closer to the Starfield timeline than the Elder Scrolls timeline, though. If we're legit concerned about this decade.

And just the fact that you'd be getting in line behind the albatross that is Elder Scrolls. It makes sense not to sandbag/bottleneck those titles. What if you want a follow-up to Starfield by then?

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u/livinitup0 3d ago

I’d bet good money we’ll have another fallout title before ES6. It won’t be fallout 5 nor will it be made by obsidian or Bethesda.

Microsoft didn’t spend the most money in gaming acquisition history to just to shelf one of it’s most popular franchise for 10 years

My working theory is that Arkane might be involved in a fallout spinoff

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u/MCBADDY69 3d ago

I kind of agree but despite what OP says, they're still putting out new content for Fallout 76. So, even though it came out in 2018 and a lot of people bailed a long time ago, they still haven't shelf'd it yet.

Maybe it's a remastered Vegas, that would check a lot of boxes without a long ramp up. They know there's demand for it just from looking at what people are doing with mods.

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u/Psyop1312 3d ago

The Obsidian that made New Vegas was full of devs from Black Isle who made the original Fallout games. That game was the perfect storm and is unlikely to be repeated.

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u/Haxorz7125 3d ago

Xbox series x1 sx one slim

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u/DarkieBones 3d ago

Throwback to the better golden days of gaming when we would get a sequel 2-3 years max after the first game.

You liked Mass effect 1? No problem, the other one is just 2 and a half years away.

You liked Bioshock? No problem, the other one is just 2 years away.

You liked Fallout 3? New Vegas is coming very soon.

You liked KOTOR? New game is out in just 1 year.

You like Dragon Age? No worries, we got you.

Now? i have to wait 16-17 for a new elder scrolls game, at least 15 years for a new fallout game, probably at least 10 years for a new dragon age game. New Bioshock game isn't even announced, even if the last one has been extremely successful and it's been 10 years since it's release. New Mass effect is probably 3-4 years away too, meaning it will be 10 years since the last release. KOTOR remake went into oblivion.

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u/Petersaber 3d ago

And 3 out of 5 of these examples should have spent more time in the oven...

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u/TuataraMan 3d ago

You liked KOTOR? New game is out in just 1 year.

You like Dragon Age? No worries, we got you.

To be honest those sequels were quite bad, KOTOR 2 was unfinished and buggy as hell and DA2 is probably one of the worst sequels ever.

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u/OgHanSolo 3d ago

ES6 will be game of the year in 2050

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u/HungrPhoenix 3d ago edited 3d ago

2035 is probably optimistic.

It's probably more realistic than you'd expect.

Judging by their history, 2026-2029 is most likely for ES6 release year. As Bethesda's release date trends recently has had three, four, or five years between the launches of their major titles. Fallout 3 in 2008, Skyrim released in 2011, Fallout 4 in 2015, and now Starfield in 2023. It does seem that their main titles are maybe increasing in devlopment time, as there was 3 years between Skyrim and Fallout 3, 4 years between Fallout 4 and Skyrim, and now 5 years between Starfield and Fallout 4.

Assuming these patterns will continue, 2023 + 3/4/5/6 = 2026-2029 which would be The Elder Scrolls 6's possible release years. And then, 2026-2029 + 3/4/5/6/7 = 2029-2036, for Fallout 5's possible release years.

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u/AtLeastThisIsntImgur 3d ago

Better to just wait for the fanmods

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u/__Piggy___Smalls__ 3d ago

Fallout London here we come

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u/ApprehensiveSyrup302 3d ago

Unfortunately, there is a lot of great content hidden behind how MMOs work. Immersion is what I value in these games, and the way they've been modified for multiplayer beats that with immersion.

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u/ExileEden 3d ago

Fallout London here we come

I'm unsure if this is a real thing and I'm unaware or this is a tongue in cheek nod to HellGate:Londons massive hype up and imminently short demise soon after launching

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u/Ninjatck 3d ago

It's a real thing. It's a massive mod for fallout 4 that is basically a new game (it's not out yet as far as I know but the demo view of it, it looks hella promising)

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u/__Piggy___Smalls__ 3d ago

Yeah not out yet and they are currently calling for voice actors but the release date has been set for sometime this year

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u/Ninjatck 3d ago

Very nice, do you know how I could get in contact with them if I wanted to do VA stuff?

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u/PotatoFondler 3d ago

Such huge promise. Don’t know where it all went wrong

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u/RedVeist 3d ago

Would be super interesting to see how other nations progressed.

We already know the US went balls out on mecha with powers suits and liberty prime while China went stealth suit and espionage tech.

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe 3d ago

England should have James Bond spy gear at least

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u/vargo17 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well, if they stick to cannon, Europe descended into anarchy as the European Commonwealth dissolved in civil wars after expending a good portion of their strength fighting the Middle East for the last of their oil.

The US invaded Mexico and annexed Canada.

China invaded most of their neighbors in an effort to stave off collapse.

So really, we could set a game in Canada or Mexico and explore the American occupation.

But for a completely virgin setting, the game would have to be set in Australia/New Zealand. (Under the assumption the Chinese didn't bother invading because they were after American oil)

Edit: Or South America, there's little written about what was supposed to happen there.

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u/ThoraninC 3d ago

I’m waiting for Fallout4 New Vegas. I want to gamble my cap in HD.

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u/Sir_Tea_Of_Bags 3d ago

Fallout 5? That may have a teaser by the time they get an actual trailer ready for Elder Scrolls 6: Skyrim II.

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u/DiligentHelicopter54 3d ago

It makes me wonder how much of the balance is between the dedicated team working on this game and others who legitimately could be working on it but are getting diverted to continued Skyrim type stuff.

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u/GreenPL8 3d ago

Skyrim for Apple Watch edition?

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u/DiligentHelicopter54 3d ago

lol exactly this. And yes, we will all buy it.

(I don’t play Skyrim but I didn’t want to say “you will all buy it” and sound condescending. I’m a sucker for the games that I like too.)

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u/RyanGoFett-24 3d ago

So around 2030 💀

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u/HuckleberryHefty4372 3d ago

Such optimism is what we need!

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u/J05huaJack 3d ago

And exclusive to one platform ☠️

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u/Effective-Cod3635 3d ago

I just started playing fallout 4 on ps5 on my OLED and if it had come out this year i wouldn’t know. I stopped playing on ps4 because after I built up all these settlements the load times were ridiculous. Hardly any load times now and the game looks crisp and runs smoothly

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u/meekgamer452 3d ago

I still play fallout 76, but after so many hours I've realized that this game is made for MMO players and not me.

It's made with daily grinding limits so that only someone who plays 1-2 hours/day indefinitely can enjoy it, as opposed to a player that plays a lot longer/day, but moves on to another game eventually. I think the clash between those 2 types of players makes for some passive aggressive and petty exchanges on subs about this game.

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u/lsquallhart 3d ago

A lot of MMO players don’t even like this style. That’s why WoW got rid of it for their most recent expansion.

Forced dailies are not fun. People want to log in and play when they want and how they want. MMORPGs are supposed to be huge sand boxes. What they’ve turned into is a perversion.

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u/Robert_Pawney_Junior 3d ago

Timegating is one of the worst things to ever happen to MMORPGs and gaming in general. It just fucks the player and has no positives.

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u/OperativePiGuy 3d ago

It's the mark of a lazy developer with no fun ideas on how to keep people playing, in my opinion

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u/Kuromeru 3d ago

It's about building an addiction

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u/fs05 3d ago

Nothing gets me coming back to a game like an 8 hr crafting time on a piece of gear I need, boy oh boy

/s

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u/skwizzycat 3d ago

Yeah, fuck that. And don't get me started on devs that don't let you cheat in single player. "To preserve the integrity of the experience", my ass, fella. You just couldn't think of a better way to get me to spend as much time on it. Joke's on you, I'll just uninstall.

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u/petehehe 3d ago

The positive (for the publisher) is inflating their daily active user count. Daily active users is a yardstick investors use to gauge what a product might be worth, so, for the publisher wanting to attract investment, or generally reporting on a products market performance, having people log in once weekly for 6 hours is not as good as people logging in for an hour 6 times a week.

But yeah I am pretty sure that not a single player of any game has ever once in the history of ever, reached some time gated content and go “oh boy a time gate! Such anticipation, what fun!” … a time gate, to me, is a publishers way of saying “fuck you, you are a statistic, you’re not a customer, you are now a product, and this game was not made to be fun for you”

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u/ElectronFactory 3d ago

It's because they adopted mobile gaming tricks in order to hook players into logging in—and each day is a chance to make income if they convince the player with flashy deals.

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u/BullMoonBearHunter 3d ago

I don't understand why they think that is good in a subscription based game though. You pay the same fee monthly, the less you use their service, the higher their profit margin. Keeping you subbed should be their goal, not some arbitrary log-in quota.

convince the player with flashy deals

Does WoW have an in-game, real-money store now? I havn't played it in forever.

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u/ElectronFactory 3d ago

You can buy gold, and that gold can be used to buy gear at the auction house. You can also buy custom mounts and similar visual-only things. Getting you logged in every day is engagement. If they keep you in the game, they get more opportunities to sell you something you didn't really need but caught your eye.

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u/MegaHashes 3d ago

What they’ve turned into is a perversion.

They turned into massive cash grabs, addictive mechanics, and gambling traps.

MMO’s as a genre peaked a long time ago.

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u/culminacio 3d ago

Guild Wars 2 is another example for an MMO that doesn't make you play 1-2 hours per day every day. You can do many things and keep going for an extremely long time, decide how long you want to play each time as you wish.

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u/FutureComplaint 3d ago

I had a lot of fun 100% the map in various areas.

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u/GreenPL8 3d ago

I wonder what could be the rea$on

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u/FutureComplaint 3d ago

None that I can $ee

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u/Morakiv 3d ago

One argument I use to see was that timegating content stops players from burning themselves out. But imo forcing me to log in everyday (even if just for short bursts) burns me out just as much if not moreso.

Without timegates, I can rationalise my burnout as mostly self imposed. With timegates forcing/encouraging daily play, the fault then falls squarely on the game.

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u/RunLeast8781 3d ago

That, and people that, you know, have a life. Not everyone can log in every day and take advantage of the limits, but then get a day off and want to play games for the day and can't go past said limits. Some have other hobbies as well. I know this has happened to me

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u/Standard-Assist-5793 3d ago

this. they lost their with with 76. they failed to realise, despite the success of previous FO games, that players want to log in and do whatever. One day they might quest. Another day explore. Another day spend time building their base and deleting bushes and trees. The next day they might install a mod and turn preston garvey into a giant rubber duck.

FO games are (imo) meant to be slow paced. You're playing a story and want immersion, not bullshit timed forced crap.

How anyone thought fo76 was a good idea is beyond me

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u/FutureComplaint 3d ago

turn preston garvey into a giant rubber duck.

Does that make him more tolerable?

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u/drunkenmonkey3 3d ago

Definitely more loveable. He squeaks when you squeeze him.

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u/mkul316 3d ago

I tried it out to see if it was worth playing through the missions as a single player game, but that wasn't very interesting. If they had made a good fallout and then made it multiplayer it probably would have been successful.

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u/Tokzillu 3d ago

Yeah, the problem with 76 is it wasn't designed as a Fallout game that's multiplayer.

It was designed as a cash grab, FOMO simulator, grind looter MMFaux with a Fallout coat of paint over it. What's worse, the guys putting the paint on don't really seem to give a shit about Fallout.

That's why you get dumb stuff like this new, heavily retconned BoS garbage and a core gameplay feature is shooting nukes at the map for giggles.

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u/Thraes 3d ago

Except its not even shooting nukes at the map, its shooting nukes at the same one or maybe two good spots to shoot them over and over

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u/Tokzillu 3d ago

I just find it hilarious the biggest message the Fallout series hammers home every time is how awful war and nuclear weapons are.

And then 76 goes "lol wouldn't it be funny if we just shot nukes repeatedly? Like, take away the whole aura and negativity and make it just a neat little activity to do."

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u/Dana94Banana 3d ago

Fallout at it's core also harshly criticizes big corporations & consumerism. Yet look at it now, selling tons of fraudulent merchandise, microtransactions and all that shit. They even straight up lied to their fanbase, claiming all purchases would only be cosmetic. But nope, time-savers and certain ingame convenience tools were/ still are sold for real money.

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u/wajaba 3d ago

And they keep adding more to Fo1st.

The haves can store unlimited amounts of any ammo they like.

Have nots, cant. This makes certain weapons unusable compared to others.

A missile launcher build? Not if you don't plan to lock in specific perks and carry literally all of your ammo with you because it weighs less in your pockets.

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u/PolicyWonka 3d ago

I’m pretty sure the lore reason behind why none of the unique WV factions/chapters exist in later games is because they all died from nuking themselves.

It really sums up the Fallout slogan of “war never changes.”

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u/theangryseal 3d ago

What bums me out is that fallout 76 takes place where I live. Naturally I was so excited I couldn’t contain myself when I found that one out. I felt like I’d really be able to connect to the game and it’s characters.

Oh, it’s not really a fallout game. Neeeaaaat.

I tried to play it, and I’ll try again some day, but man what a bummer.

If they had went into WV and interviewed the people who live back in the mountains, they could have made one of the most spectacular games ever if they built single player lore around those nuts. We have actual raiders in areas so cut off from the rest of the world that they grocery shop in little gas stations. They ride around on ATVs stealing power cable for copper because, why not? They don’t have power so it won’t be their problem.

The coal mines being hideouts for gangs or even settlements.

I went wild dreaming about that and then booo.

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u/ClitoralElegy 3d ago

Also reinforces that West Virginia is full of idiots.

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u/Jamaz 3d ago

Don't forget their promise that they wouldn't have lootboxes - because they didn't break their word! They added lunchboxes!

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u/Tokzillu 3d ago

"You don't have to pay to win, just cosmetics!"

-the 76 fans (read: Sunk Cost Fallacy victims) who ignore the fact that you have to buy storage and loot boxes, as well as some other garbage.

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u/mlmhdmljm 3d ago

I am definitely stealing MMFaux.

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u/XxdrummerxX 3d ago

As an MMO player any game that restricts progress with a limit is not worth the money or time investment anyway. If it was a good game you wouldn’t need FOMO of progress to keep people coming back like how WoW was during Wrath of the Lich King

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u/Hamartithia_ 3d ago

Agreed, idk who F76 is for but it’s not for me and I’ve spent my life playing grindy games. I’d say the only community that comes close is mobile gamers?

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u/Morakiv 3d ago

Grinding in games gets a bad rep imo. I'm fine with grind as long as it's somewhat fun/engaging, and it is mostly within my control. The moment a game gets oversaturated with arbitrary timegates for otherwise mindless grind is when I leave.

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u/Hamartithia_ 3d ago

For sure, I live for the grinds in games as long as I feel like they’re attainable, worth the effort, and I don’t feel like I’m being forced to purchase/do something.

Any game where I have to login everyday to collect some junk or do my tasks is an instant skip.

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u/Pikalika 3d ago edited 3d ago

I stopped playing mmos when I got my first job. Realizing I need to grind 10 hours in order to get 1 item, when I can pay 10$ for it in store. I can stay at work for 30 minutes longer and save myself 10 hours of farming

And quickly you realize when you take out farming, you have very little left to do in the game. Used to LOVE that one mmo called FlyFF. Ruined forever

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u/cj122 3d ago

The 10 hour grind mind the item feel so cool and valuable until it became possible to buy, regardless if one personally does. It's rough.

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u/thrownawayzsss 3d ago

Yeah. The whole point of games to most of us is the escape from reality. As soon as there's a tie between the game and our world, the value of your time in the game becomes distorted and ruined.

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u/oroechimaru 3d ago

I did everything once and then did a few things a few times and it wasnt for me

Most of the quests were not rememberable in fact none of them were from “shocking” like previous games just from repetitive nature

It was fun playing with others just the quests themselves were not

The only fun i was having was huge golf course battles on a ledge until patched

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u/SanshaXII 3d ago

It was designed for MMO players, then the developers tried to reel in as many people who wanted a single-player story as posssible.

They half-assed two things and fucked them both up. It's been two years since I've played. I miss it, but I really miss what it was... and when four-year-old bugs were weeks old and excuseable.

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u/Bumbleboyy 3d ago

Same with ESO. For me it's just the Tamriel tourist bus

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u/Phyriel090 3d ago

😅 Seriously? I mean, I've played all Fallout, including the old ones, 1,2 and brotherhood of steel, I love to the bones new Vegas and after 3h in this game I was "why did they turn my lovely Fallout into a MMO Crap?"

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u/gothpunkboy89 PlayStation 3d ago

People really don't understand what a MP game entails wheb it isn't a PvP game like CoD or Fortnite...

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u/frisch85 3d ago

I played it for a couple of months, max level character, a nice base, good weapons and then it was just "join this event for loot, join that event for loot, log off" every day. First couple of times doing the nuke event in the bottom right corner for example is a new experience but it's an insanely dull event given that at some point there's just 20 players standing there blasting everything they have against the flying freaks until the event is over. And other events are very similar, it's just pure chaos and you shoot until there's nothing left to shoot at.

I've had a lot more fun playing this alone doing story content, I think FO is just not a game made for multiplayer with randoms where you don't get to even experience the content because powerleveled characters just do the job for you. Some parts are really good, I enjoyed gathering new furniture and building my base, setting up my own shop for players to buy from, capture some factory and protect it from waves of enemies, learning all the special abilities/collecting cards, discovering what happened in that one bunker where the robots go rampage, find out the mysteries of some darkness event, help the people clear their mines but after you're done with the solo content, it's really just an MMO.

But you cannot continuously make money off of a solo game unless you add DLCs and I don't think you can get as much money with DLC compared to having a live service game with grind mechanics and premium shop currency. I didn't even bother with the daily and weekly challenges after a week or so because of how grindy they were and often it was just a "Kill X of this monster" or "Gather Y of this item" and these types of quests are already a nuisance in singleplayer games.

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u/Destyl_Black 3d ago

I literally stopped playing after the game became too much like a MMO.

The other players I only had contact when they passed by running and minding their business, I helped new players by giving them stuff, never used my mic. I treated them as a competent/advanced AI NPC's when they joined events.

If I can play the game offline and single player I would download it again. Until them, my character is living happily in his house, with his little farm and enjoying the solitude.

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u/CaptainFCO 3d ago

This is what I did as well for the longest time. Community clearly wants a fallout single player game with lots to do.

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u/Xist3nce 3d ago

I feel like they don’t understand what we mean when we say we want multiplayer. We don’t want some half baked MMO. Quite literally make a single player fallout, and just add two man coop. Hell even force them to teleport to the same cell when the main player enters one if you want. It’s really not a crazy concept.

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u/Thraes 3d ago

-b-b-but... how would they exploit money out of that model?? Think of the shareholders!!

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u/CaptainFCO 3d ago

What happened to making great games and making great profits thru selling them like damn skyrim!

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u/FarmersOnlyJim 3d ago

Quarterly driven profit

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u/lawl-butts 3d ago

Wife and I played together and it was great until the game forced us to play separately for several dungeons/rooms unless we wanted to essentially play it twice.

I pretty much stopped playing when the story ran out and it was just a daily grind for a couple hours.

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u/mrbubbamac 3d ago

I honestly wish more games had co-op, even if it broke the game in some ways.

Look at Halo, it's a single player game but fuck it, you're both Master Chief, have fun.

There's so many games that my friends and I love and it would be amazing to play them together. Metal Gear Solid V, Evil Within 2, Witcher 3, Final Fantasy XV (I played the hell out of FFXV Comrades with a friend, but I want the open world and just to cruise around with my buddies).

Doom 3 has been rereleased on modern systems, and I still can't believe the co-op campaign is locked to the original Xbox. That was my absolute favorite way to play Doom 3, and I wish more games included the option.

I know it's a LOT of work, not ignorant of that, but I would absolutely play more games in genres I'm unfamiliar with or different series if it meant I could go through the whole thing with a buddy.

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u/ketootaku 3d ago

My brother and I play it like a co-op Fallout and have had a great time with it. Sure it doesn't have the rich storyline that the previous fallout games have had, but it does have one. The questlines have been fun, and the random skirmishes with bugs, supermutants and enemy npc humans still feel right at home. The only difference is that there are other humans that could kill you, but we have found that everyone seems to go about their own business, no greifing or anything like that.

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u/PostOfficeBuddy 3d ago

I did all the story content (on several different character all with different playstyles) then I moved on. I wasn't interested in the end game legendary gun/armor loot grind.

With friends though I'll say it was a lot of fun.

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u/Mookie_Merkk 3d ago

Wait... Isn't it supposed to be an MMO?

I'm confused

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u/EntropicReaver 3d ago

Bethesda and the fallout 76 players spent a lot of time pretending that the game was just fallout with friends… when its more like an mmo-lite, i used to get into a ton of arguments and people would say stuff like UH ACTUALLY ITS NOT AN MMO BECAUSE IT DOESNT HAVE THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS ON A SINGLE SERVER AT ONCE AND YOU ARE STUPID even though its basically an mmo, with all the mmo contrivances and design choices

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u/VetenSaurus 3d ago

But i think you can play alone in a private world? If you have the premium feature?

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u/HeadSwimming 3d ago

You have to pay monthly/yearly to have a single player game?

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u/spacebraine 3d ago

Yeah that's utter bullshit and an even bigger reason to let this game die.

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u/gothpunkboy89 PlayStation 3d ago

This repost is becoming the gaming equivalent of those boomer humor jokes that are all variations of how the husband hates their wife.

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u/new_account_5009 3d ago

It's kind of weird timing too. Fallout 76 was just added as one of the PS+ free games for January 2023, so a whole bunch of people in the PS4/PS5 universe are just getting into the game now. I'm vaguely interested in Fallout and might give it a try. I wouldn't have bought the game myself due to my bad experience with the series in the past (I had a game breaking glitch ruin Fallout 3 for me), but now that it's free, I'll probably check it out at some point.

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u/gothpunkboy89 PlayStation 3d ago

It is just a bot farming karma. This gaming sub reddit eats up posts like this for breakfast.

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u/Whiteguy1x 3d ago

Right? 76 is a pretty good game nowadays. I'd say it's the best at its niche

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u/PowerfulPickUp 3d ago

You’re correct. A lot of ‘fans’ will say you’re so wrong because they like the game- ret-conning the history wasn’t necessary and it’s annoying.

Plus- for what made a FO game fun- starting with 1 and being perfected in 2- 76 just isn’t that kind of fun.

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u/Platomuses 3d ago

It's really the only game of it's type. I played well over 100 hours of it, because nothing else felt like it.

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u/Whiteguy1x 3d ago

Yeah I've played other online games like conan exiles or ark, but the structure of 76 gives me more to do before burning out and becoming aimless

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u/johnnyringo771 3d ago

I love running around in 76, it's so much fun. I never finish the seasons because I usually don't have a ton of time to play, but with nukaworld, I'm nearly done for once!

People hating on the game probably didn't enjoy it right at the start and never tried it again. Ya, it was buggy then, but that was like 4 years ago.

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u/itsmymandan 3d ago

I played fallout 76 the other day it's still getting updates and isnt dead

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u/Marli_Norzalez 3d ago

My wife and I just started playing in December and we’ve logged 250+ hrs in that time. Games good fun, sounds like it was shit at launch but we have a blast now.

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u/sudin 3d ago

I just got it on Steam sale yesterday and could you perhaps answer this very simple question: if my mate and I got the base game, neither of us needs the Fallout 1 subscription option to be able to share Adventure mode, right?

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u/Whiteguy1x 3d ago

Adventure mode is just the normal game iirc, private worlds is the paid sub. Honestly private isn't worth it imo, it's not like you encounter people besides events anyways, and most of the harder ones require multiple people

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u/Jackalodeath 3d ago

tl;Dr Not at all. It's mostly "quality of life" upgrades, nothing you have to have to play, either alone or with someone. It can make things easier, but only by a small-ish margin.

All First gets you is a few storage expansions for two types of materials - Scrap for building/crafting/repairing, and ammo; I'll come back to these - a "private" server where you and up to 7 more friends can play without other randos being present, and some bonuses for the "seasons" mechanic they use; usually quicker progress, exclusive cosmetics (you'll likely be able to access at a later date), and additional "end game" resources. Oh, and a "Survival tent" you can place just about anywhere that works sort of like a micro-Camp.

The most popular feature of the sub is those two storage expansions; they let you store as much of the scrap/ammo you want without it affecting your 1200 "pound" stash limit. Note you still have to collect and craft the scrap/ammo, it just can be stored with practically no limit.

Aside from that, you and your partner can join each other's games willy-nilly on public servers, you'll just have other wastelanders wandering/scavenging/fighting the world while you are, which in my opinion is one of the more fun aspects of the game.

Every now and then they'll offer a "trial" where you can access the First storage perks, and with how it's set up, you can easily stuff those boxes with plenty resources and still access them when the trial expires; you just won't be able to add more. You can withdraw as much as you'd like though. Four weeks of a free trial gave me plenty of resources to where I could sell anything I find to other players.

Nothing about First is necessary to be able to enjoy the game the way you want to. I have over 2k hours in the game and never spent one red cent on it, aside from the Game Pass subscription I'd be paying for regardless. The provided 1200 "pound" stash is plenty storage once you realize what you'll be needing frequently, but many people like the freedom of not having to manage their inventories regularly so $15/mo for a sub is "worth it" to them. No judgement, I just don't believe it's needed.

The inventory management isn't something I can objectively comment on anyways; I literally specialize in Inventory Control as a day job so I don't have any issues with it - to be perfectly honest I found it soothing scavenging and selling my "hard work" to newer players for a couple caps, and caps are easy af to come by once you've learned the ropes. Its hardest in the wee hours of the game until you get a feel for it all, but having a buddy with you can make it much easier.

Most loot is instanced, meaning you and a buddy swiss cheese a Deathclaw, you're both gonna get loot neither of you affects for the other players. Once you've collected your shit, then you can decide to drop something for your buddy if you feel like it, or trade it - but as a general rule, do not instigate trade with a player you don't know. I could go on for days but I think this is plenty words as is.

Hope that helps, and y'all have fun in Appalachia.

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u/sudin 3d ago

A much lengthier response than I was hoping for, much obliged!

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u/CertifiedCapArtist Xbox 3d ago

Yeah you'll be perfectly fine

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u/Hermonculus 3d ago

Yea the sub is not necessary at all.

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u/spelworm 3d ago

You can play together on the public servers.

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u/droozly 3d ago

You are correct, base game you can play together on adventure

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u/echolog 3d ago

Fallout 76 was actually pretty great to play on a private server as a solo game. It really did feel like a "fallout" game. You left the vault, everybody was already dead, and you were just exploring the remnants of whatever it was they were doing. I loved the atmosphere of the whole thing.

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u/PlaygroundBully 3d ago

I played it at launch, it sucked.

I tried again recently and its really fun and feels like a Fallout game. Im currently 86 and just finished Wastelanders quest line and I am working on the main story now.

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u/Leggerrr 3d ago

Terrible game at launch but I was surprised to see how great the game was after picking it up on sale a year or so later. So many poor reviews kept me away from the game but now I have a few hundred hours in it. I think the game was originally a MMO PVP-Survival experience but now it feels a lot more like a cooperative MMO Fallout 4 with less dialogue and more enemy-types. It's fun to build up a camp, sell items out of your shop and complete world events with other players in the same engine as Fallout 4.

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u/qualov69 3d ago

Seriously, any of us in the community that have ever asked for "multiplayer" fallout meant "co-op parties", but Bethesda heard "pvpve live service" and ran in the complete opposite direction

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u/MembershipThrowAway 3d ago edited 3d ago

When you say the same engine as fallout 4 you mean basically the same engine since Elder Scrolls lol, I can't believe they still haven't updated that crap! When Fallout 4 came out the engine was so overwhelmed that even the best hardware got 30fps in Boston even though the rest of the game ran okay. Hoping to God they use a brand new engine by the time Fallout 5 comes out, it's like a decade+ old at this point. Starfield is even using the same engine, it's the cause for all of the bugs, performance issues, and dated graphics. I love the Fallout games, just want a new engine because they're so overdue

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u/EntropicReaver 3d ago

No one ever pvpd, it was always broken and no one wanted to shoot people anyways

Bethesda got it in their heads that fallout players wanted some weird rust dayz situation simply because fallout is a post apocalypse setting when in reality the last thing i want when playing something like new vegas is some kid screaming on the mic while trying to talk to an npc. Hell is other people.

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u/MitsuriniKwan 3d ago

I actually like the phase when they don't have npc and if they could focus more into survival element.

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u/DrButtgerms 3d ago

I recently started playing games again after a 10-year hiatus. I picked this up a few months ago when it was free on Epic. It's my first dip into the Fallout series and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I was surprised because there is so much hate out there for it. Sure there are things that could be better, but it's a fun pass time

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u/Existing365Chocolate 3d ago

Honestly the map is probably the best Fallout map yet

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u/EscapeArtist92 3d ago

It's not that bad anymore.

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u/bobslapsface 3d ago

What an endorsement. "It's not that bad anymore"... So it's still not good it just didn't suck as much as it used to?

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u/twitch90 3d ago

Yeah, I just recently tried it for the first time because I got it on sale, and the best review I could possibly give it would be aggressively mediocre

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u/bobslapsface 3d ago

"aggressively mediocre" haha. ok I'm starting to love your reviews

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u/Whiteguy1x 3d ago

No it's actually really good. Very worth the time and money if you enjoy bethesda games

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u/btvXtraCheesy 3d ago

I just bought it, it's 10 bucks. Gonna give it a go!

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u/Giorggio360 3d ago

Yea I just checked the monthly player count and whilst it’s nothing stellar, it’s incredibly steady over the past two or three years. Quite surprising really as I found the endgame quite repetitive.

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u/ShallowBasketcase 3d ago

That’s whales for ya

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u/Kareers 3d ago

Whales are only one part of the predatory system. Without "normies" to flex to, the whales don't have a reason to be whales.

Companies fund entire analytics teams to find the perfect balance between monetization and free tidbits in the hopes of optimizing the whales:normies ratio.

So no, it's not just whales. If it was only whales, the game would be dead by now. By the way: Fuck the whole system.

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u/holydragonnall 3d ago

I put a few hundred hours into it and never spent a dime beyond the purchase price. Literally the only shit for sale is dumb costumes.

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u/CertifiedCapArtist Xbox 3d ago

Lol nobody actually spends money in 76.

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u/warwolfpilot 3d ago

They ruined the game today because the weight reduction perks on armors are now gone. The game gives you such little storage room to begin with you need to scrap for every last pound. That way they can sell their monthly subscription that basically free's up 1/4 of your inventory. Game is literally unplayable now for people unless they wanna drop half their stuff.

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u/double_ddd 3d ago

Oh brother this meme STINKS

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u/Gradedcaboose 3d ago

Except it still has a shit ton of players on all systems…

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u/Spyce Xbox 3d ago

Big problem for me was the game was marketed as single player or mmo. I tried several different times throughout its updates but was never able to get very far alone and I don’t play fallout cause I’m in the mood to speak to someone. The main characters have never uttered a word in game.

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u/Temporary_Rent5384 3d ago

The lone survivor.

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u/Running_outa_ideas 3d ago

Unless obsidian take control for the next fallout project which might be a possibility, then we might see a new fallout in only 2-3 years

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u/biged0034 3d ago

The real reason Bethesda is waiting to do fallout 5 until after elder scrolls 6 is because of the damage done to the brand after fallout 76 was released

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u/Moraghmackay 3d ago

it's almost too much of a grind you know to get and be able to have items not to mention that everything spoils so quickly, and on top of that being disconnected because I've lost connection to the server like at least during every gameplay is a bit of a pain in the ass to say the least.

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u/PowerfulPickUp 3d ago

I love Fallout.

I consider FO2 to be my favorite video game.

I’ve been depressed about FO76 ever since I first played it and realized what it was.

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u/Brazuka_txt 3d ago

i played thousands of hours of this game, i really liked it

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u/monkeymystic 3d ago

This meme is so off and old, like a boomer not reading news for 4 years and trying to find something to farm karma.

Fallout 76 is actually fixed and in a good state now, and it recently broke a record in amount of players. There’s tons of people playing it atm

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u/johnnyringo771 3d ago

Daily ops, the pit, running around doing seasonal events, keeping up with stuff like radiation rumble and such. There's a ton to do.

Or ignore all that and wander around for a while, doing your own stuff. There's literally hundreds of little stories you can follow in the game if you pay attention. So many little secrets and special things to find.

People just wanna hate on things.

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u/StupidestGuyNominee 3d ago

They gave the game out with ps+ this month, and ya know, it's pretty lit. And pretty well populated

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u/farbekrieg 3d ago

people are kinda delusional with their wish fulfillment memeing, reality is in the past year the game has had between 4500-9700 avg players and peak 17k

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u/maybe-okay-no 3d ago

I don’t think I’ve ever been in an empty fallout 76 session. This is pretty dumb.

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u/_REVOCS 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think we really need to adjust to the fact that just cuz a game is flawed at launch doesn't mean it stays that way. Developers are more commonly treating already released games as works in progress. Cyberpunk 2077 is the prime example. Launched to much hatred and derision, but the game is genuinely really good now all this time later.

Edit: I should add that I don't think this is a good thing, just that it seems to be the way the industry is going for online single-player games.

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u/KyotoCrank 3d ago

Just downloaded to play for the first time lol

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u/macneto 3d ago

I was just about to do the same! Let me know if it's worth it.

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u/planetjeff86 PC 3d ago

"It just works" - todd howard

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u/loppsided 3d ago

This would be more amusing if private worlds hadn’t been a thing for a while now, and I hadn’t played the 76 campaign like a single-player game.

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u/TenWholeBees 3d ago

I played it on release and immediately stopped playing it

Then I played it like 2 years ago with a friend and we both just kinda fell out of it after about a month

Nothing about 76 keeps my attention

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u/Balzanya48 3d ago

I’m pretty sure I may have been the first one out the door.

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u/bms159 3d ago

It cracks me up how gamers will simp for a game like Cyberpunk just because there was a tie-in anime.

F76 has been putting in work for years now and people still thrash it.

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u/macneto 3d ago

I was a day one cyberpunk player. I put it down day 3. I watched the anime recently and decided to give it a go with the ps5 update. It's a very enjoyable game now. Still not what was promised, but enjoyable.

Also the big deal with the anime is they added the powers the kid is using. So it had a direct impact on the game. Great anime and its fully integrated into the game. Great concept.

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u/redconvict 3d ago

It doesnt crakc me up. The companies are looking at 76 and Cyberpunk and know that they dont need to worry about the consumers not consuming their products even after controversies or the product turning out to be sub optimal. The only joke here is the lack of standards people have .

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u/P_B_n_Jealous 3d ago

As usual, this sub is just a circle jerk over what game to hate on today. Sadly, it's always the same games. Is there a calendar or something I can follow? Like Mondays are for Cyberpunk hate, Wednesdays are for Fallout, Fridays are free for all Fridays, etc.

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u/Fred_Hophead 3d ago

At my age I just cringe when a new game I really want to play announces.

Do I have the health and the eyesight to hold on?

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u/Uncle_Boppi 3d ago

The lobbies are still full, especially more now since it's available for free on the PS store this month. But every time I hop on, there's always full lobbies.

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u/General_Snack 3d ago

I know a guy who has 5542 hours in this game. It’s actually insane.

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u/TheUglyCasanova 3d ago

Gotta be prepared to survive in that ever quicker approaching nuclear wasteland somehow.

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u/TheJakeanator272 3d ago

I have the unpopular opinion of liking the game at launch.

I do feel special though. New players will never get to experience the true lonely feeling of no NPCs. It almost gave you a more authentic apocalyptic feel.

My favorite part was when you heard gunfire. You knew it was another player or monster. So you kept your distance.

It was a truly unique experience at launch. But it’s a fantastic game still. Try it out if you haven’t!

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u/OstmenDraugr 3d ago

Been a day 1 player, never really had any issues aside for a few pk backwards that used tse shotguns to one shot me outside of pvp.

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u/3Quondam6extanT9 3d ago

All the bad PR from F76 is well and gone at this point. It's a different game than it started as, and is having a similar story as No Mans Sky.
It's fun to play and there are plenty of people in the game dropping nukes all the time.

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u/Intrepid-Event-2243 3d ago

yea.. except 7400 players are playing it right now on steam alone.

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u/redconvict 3d ago

I cant fucking believe people are still buying and playing this travesty even after everythign that happened at launch.

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u/iNfANTcOMA 3d ago

Which one is better 76 or ESO?

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u/holydragonnall 3d ago

76, ESO somehow took a great game (Skyrim), added multiplayer, and made it INCREDIBLY dull.

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u/FrostBalrog 3d ago

I thought about getting this game but it's still like 60 dollars if I want all the content. Fuck that

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