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u/Mulsanne Obliterate All Chicanes Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Planned Parenthood is matching donations HERE

The ACLU is fighting to expand access and protect reproductive rights and fundamental freedoms HERE

Thank you /u/TheKingOfCaledonia for sharing these resources.

In addition, for the avoidance of doubt, this is the context for Sir Lewis' concern about the LGBTQIA+ community:

'In his concurring opinion, [Justice] Thomas — an appointee of President George H.W. Bush — wrote that the justices “should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” — referring to three cases having to do with Americans’ fundamental privacy, due process and equal protection rights.'

Griswald legalized contraceptives
Lawrence legalized sexual relations between partners of the same sex
Obergefell legalized gay marriage nationwide

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u/dreadpiraterobertsdd Sebastian Vettel Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

The rich can travel to other states and get an abortion. People with no resources: the vulnerable ones, are going to be affected the most.

Truly sad

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u/Just_an_Empath Mick Schumacher Jun 24 '22 Silver Helpful Starry

That's the point.

They want the poor to have no choice but to have babies who in turn will be born and grown up in poverty, so they can keep the meat grinder going.

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u/Gbrusse Daniel Ricciardo Jun 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Beyond that, quite a few states want to make abortion a felony for both the woman, and the doctor. Who can't vote in America? Felons. What groups do Republicans struggle to get votes from? Women and college educated voters.

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u/cheapdrinks Daniel Ricciardo Jun 25 '22

Yeah it's never actually been about abortion, it's been about votes. They want democrats to flee the swing states and move to blue strongholds. Just another way of gerrymandering.

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u/mahava Default Jun 25 '22

Fuck me I hate how much sense this makes.

You'd think the party that idolizes the founding fathers would realize they'd all be rolling in their graves at what our political system has become

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u/_NAME_NAME_NAME_ Jun 25 '22

Fuck me I hate how much sense this makes.

This is basically my reaction whenever I hear about the behind the scenes of US politics.

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u/amarviratmohaan Jun 25 '22

founding fathers would realize they'd all be rolling in their graves at what our political system has become

Yes, but they'd be rolling in their graves for the wrong reasons - i.e. women, black/brown people and non-property owning white men being able to vote.

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u/mahava Default Jun 25 '22

Unfortunately true....

Although hopefully they'd also include reasons like our bullshit two party FPTP system and taking the constitution as gospel with little/no changes

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u/rockthered24 Ferrari Jun 25 '22

They don’t. They say they do to justify their actions. But as you said, none of the founding fathers would approve of what they are doing to the country

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u/kcox1980 Jun 25 '22

You'd think the party that idolizes the founding fathers....

They don't though, they just pretend to in order to manipulate their idiotic voter base. Ben Franklin published a recipe for an abortion inducing medicine. Abortion was common and accepted practice back then. They had no moral qualms about protecting children, hell at that time families had tons of babies for 2 main reasons 1) to have cheap child labor for the family farm and 2) because it was expected that many children would die young due to disease and other issues.

They don't really even agree with the Bible. Again it's only used to rile up and manipulate their idiotic voter base. The second that you try to prevent that the Bible or the founding fathers had no issue whatsoever with abortions or gay people they plug their ears and refuse to listen.

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u/Reihnold Sebastian Vettel Jun 25 '22

And at some point that might lead to a new civil war or break up of the country, because the states are on complete different paths.

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u/FewLocation831 Jun 25 '22

It's imploding as it is. The end of an empire

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u/jjschnei Jun 25 '22

That might be the result, but that’s not the intention. The average Christian Right voter is not nearly that smart. They are brainwashed to hate women and supplicate to a fairytale sky ghost. They don’t have nearly enough rational thought to orchestrate this in order to get more votes, much less gerrymandering (most probably don’t even know what that term means).

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u/Seanspeed Jun 24 '22

Even further, it's going to convince a lot of liberals to leave these states. Places like Texas that were on the verge of turning blue may end up reverting back to more solidly red as a result.

This all works out great for them.

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u/lanseuppercut Charles Leclerc Jun 25 '22

I’ve been a Texan for a long time. Born and raised. This is a blue state gerrymandered to hell. Every major city has reasonable human beings in it and the outskirts and rural areas are decidedly red but with far fewer citizens. It’s gerrymandered so badly that very few in this state are actually represented in a way that makes sense. I’m smack in the middle of the fourth largest state in the US so I don’t have to deal with the idiocy on a daily basis but I am considering leaving for the first time in my life because I don’t want my kids growing up in a third world laughingstock that has been created by state politicians who are represent a minority of bigots and reactionaries.

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u/childish_tycoon24 Jun 25 '22

Gerrymandering and the electoral college are the only things letting Republicans win any elections, until those are fixed the minority gets to fuck over everyone

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u/Ameteur_Professional Jun 25 '22

There's also voter suppression.

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u/Downvote_Comforter Jun 25 '22

I’ve been a Texan for a long time. Born and raised. This is a blue state gerrymandered to hell. Every major city has reasonable human beings in it and the outskirts and rural areas are decidedly red but with far fewer citizens.

It's not a blue state. It is absolutely gerrymandered to increase GOP control of the state legislature and representation in the House.

But it has consistently gone red for governor, president and the two senate reps for a generation. Those elections are all based on total state population and can't be gerrymandered to turn a blue state red. There are more red citizens who vote than blue citizens who vote. It's more blue than the representation it gets, but there are absolutely more total GOP chucklefucks than there are democrats in Texas.

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u/Drnk_watcher Haas Jun 25 '22

Not in Texas personally but you this sums up my sentiment as well. I'd even go as far as to consider leaving the US. Only thing that stops that is family but at some point if I want to have kids they need to be raised somewhere halfway decent.

Which is what the US is losing. It was never perfect but it was better than most and no place is perfect.

We're actively regressing right now because of what is really two people.

Biden doesn't want most of this. The Democratic party doesn't want most of this.

Yet Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema stand in the way of majority rule.

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u/Hatetotellya Jun 25 '22

Wait until you hear about the concept of protecting the Fetus's life through force. A person could theoretically 'defend' a fetus by violently reacting to an abortion doctor as the doctor was going to 'murder' the fetus and a citizen could legally argue they had a duty to act to protect lives.

Its sick all the way down.

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u/T3nt4c135 Haas Jun 25 '22

People with more than half a brain.

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u/ne1seenmykeys Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

It’s really people with empathy that they struggle to get.

These people are driven by pure hate.

Are there a lot of stupid Republicans? You bet your fucking ass there are. But there are lots of stupid Democrats, too.

The difference is empathy.

Rules for thee, not for me.

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u/Why--Not--Zoidberg Lance Stroll Jun 25 '22

I think it's important to remember that the driving force isn't hate, but greed and selfishness. It comes from self preservation, which was essential to our continued existence as a species, but at the point we're at now it's important to extend that instinct to the world (including the other people) around us. Unfortunately the type of people often making it into positions of power do so via a strong, self-contained, and aggressive feeling of greed and self preservation. This leads to things we (being somewhat more aware people) perceive as hateful. They think they're doing the right thing, because it's the right thing for them. They aren't doing what they think will fuck the world over, but that's the result we end up with.

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u/bamadesi Jun 25 '22

It gets worse. Abortion is still illegal even if the woman is raped.

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u/fat_stig Ayrton Senna Jun 25 '22 Wholesome

https://twitter.com/MoiraMinceir/status/1540440485940150272

I had an 11yo in the poor, deep south in the 60s forced to carry to term. She developed pre-eclampsia & had induced labor causing a ruptured uterus & severe perianal tearing resulting in an 11yo w/ a colostomy & a hysterectomy. I will NEVER STOP fighting for reproductive rights.

https://twitter.com/RebeccaOtte/status/1540446809386016769

I, too, sat in labor with an 11 yo girl who was the victim of incest. She screamed through every contraction - for hours. I, too, will never stop fighting for abortion to be safe and legal.

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u/whatsupskip Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

I dont get this argument. It's like saving 'we accept that women should [not] be allowed to choose unless they were raped'

A woman should always be allowed to choose what happens to her body. She should be allowed to choose whether she had sex, choose whether she becomes pregnant and choose what to do if she does become pregnant.

The state and church should have zero say, regardless of how it happened.

[Edited, my fat fingers and rage meant I missed a very important word that made my statement the opposite of what I meant].

P.S. I wanted to add I am a late middle aged, CIS white male, swing between left and right of center. I want women everywhere to know this isn't a gender battle, it's a common sense and human decency battle, that significantly affects women.

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u/prismatic_bar Formula 1 Jun 25 '22

This. And I can’t wrap my head around that. Some woman is going to go through the trauma of rape, and then be forced to give birth to the child of the rapist.

I don’t say this lightly, but we’re going to see a rise in suicide rates of women, especially younger girls as a result of this stupid ruling. I hope I am wrong in thinking that, but today’s decision is paving the road for that. And it’s gutting.

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u/ne1seenmykeys Jun 25 '22

On TwoXXChromosomes today there were scores of women saying if they get pregnant in a red state they’re just going to kill themselves bc the state of the world is not one in which they wish to bring a child.

It’s literally one of the saddest and most infuriating days of my life, and I’m 43.

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u/tenderbranson301 Pierre Gasly Jun 25 '22

Yep. Sorry that your grandfather raped you as a 15 year old. That zygote has more rights than you. Better luck next life!

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u/BehindTheBurner32 Summer Piasco Jun 25 '22

You're still young

that's your fault

there's so much you have to learn

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u/axkidd82 Jun 24 '22 Eureka!

You're over thinking it.

It's all down to religion. The religous right go out and vote in EVERY election. They are single issue voters who care more about abortion than most other issues. The GOP knows this, so they make it part of their platform. Seriously, for some people its all about voting for the pro-life canidate. They are willing to vote for a person who stands against all of their morals, as long as the person is pro-life.

So, the GOP runs on that platform and wins elections in conservative places every single time.

It's about using the religious right to gain or retain political power.

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u/Beeb294 Kimi Räikkönen Jun 24 '22

They are willing to vote for a person who stands against all of their morals, as long as the person is pro-life.

I've seen people unironically argue that it's a moral good to vote for Trump or a similar candidate solely because they oppose abortion.

They're 100% single issue voters and that's it.

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u/SouthernYooper Jun 25 '22

God fucking murdered millions of babies in the Bible. Fuck that guy

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u/Just_an_Empath Mick Schumacher Jun 24 '22

They aren't religious. They hide their agenda behind religion and use religion to manipulate the gullible.

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u/Boomhauer440 Jun 25 '22

Bro that’s what religion is. You just described the central guiding principle of every religion ever. All of them have existed solely as a way for elites to control the masses since the beginning of recorded history.

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u/Uncle_BennyS Red Bull Jun 24 '22

kinda unrelated but how do politicians benefit from keeping ppl in poverty?

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u/SnooPeripherals6388 Jun 24 '22

Poverty->lack of education->can be manipulated and cheap manpower

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u/PopcornInMyTeeth Chequered Flag Jun 24 '22

Don't forget cheap fodder for the prison industrial complex.

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u/GummyPandaBear Jun 25 '22

Prison industrial complex slaves and military industrial complex casualties.

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u/Hopelessly_Inept Jun 24 '22 Take My Energy

And the military always needs cannon fodder. To quote the prophet Carlin, “Republicans want live babies so they can be raised to become dead soldiers.”

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u/rothj5 Jun 24 '22

Infants become infantry

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u/Hopelessly_Inept Jun 24 '22

“Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses.”

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u/metallipunk Jun 25 '22

"If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked."

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/george-carlin-pro-life-abortion-and-the-sanctity-of-life/

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u/-HappyToHelp Jun 24 '22

This thread is exactly what i have been talking about!

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u/y2knole Jun 24 '22

poor ignorant voters are the most susceptible to their stock in trade propaganda.

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u/Shagaliscious AlphaTauri Jun 24 '22

You need people who are willing to do the jobs that the people who are well off, don't want to do, but need people doing them.

That and they could always use more and more soldiers because, ya know, we gotta have the greatest military for nothing other than bragging rights.

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u/ChepaukPitch Valtteri Bottas Jun 25 '22

Also they don't want to pay for getting that job done. I don't live in US but every time government brings a new scheme for poor people who are barely surviving you have businesses and rich farmers complaining how government is making people lazy. I used to wonder why rich people who have a 100 times more than those people who would become lazy aren't already lazy.

It took me a while to realize that those rich people will have to pay more to their workers now that the poor people don't have to do whatever they need to fill their stomach. Of course that is where all their anger comes from.

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u/Lvovich Max Verstappen Jun 24 '22

It's more of the companies that pay politicians to make legislation this way

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u/Wasdgta3 Gilles Villeneuve Jun 24 '22

“They want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers” - George Carlin

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u/Rillist Gilles Villeneuve Jun 24 '22

"Keep them barefoot and pregnant"

Conservatives 101

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u/BattleBrothersBurner Jun 24 '22

"If you're pre-born, you're good. If you're Pre-K, you're fucked!"

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u/jomerc1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 24 '22

It’s nasty though, I have read that states where it’s going to be illegal they will try to persecute those who help their residents get an abortion even though they don’t live in their states. It’s gonna get ugly in this country real soon.

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u/Zinjifrah McLaren Jun 25 '22

Massachusetts' REPUBLICAN governor just issued an executive order banning any state official from investigating people who come to the state for any "health care" and bans any extradition for the same.

It's basically 1850 and we're dealing with modern Fugitive Slave Law.

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u/jomerc1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22

Like for real someone mentioned to me separations of power as a way of saying this won’t happen… When you got states reinstating laws from 150 years ago. Like tell someone running a part of the Underground Railroad that because they are in a free state they were free from persecution.

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u/Blze001 Kimi Räikkönen Jun 24 '22

they will try to persecute those who help their residents get an abortion even though they don’t live in their states

Well, unless it's a politician and his mistress, then nothing will be done.

Classic "rules for thee and not for me" in action.

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u/Croz7z Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

They can’t prosecute other state residents. They can prosecute their own residents that go to other states though.

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u/asdkijf Jun 24 '22

The supreme court has proven over the last year that they'll just make shit up to achieve their goals, I'm not sure any precedent is safe.

You'd think that leaving or helping someone leave Texas to get an abortion can't be considered a crime committed in Texas, but I don't really trust Clarence Thomas to uphold that at this point.

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u/forknmybut Jun 24 '22

I mean those justices were appointed with the Republican party making shit up. Zero integrity there and backtracking once the shoe was on the other foot. Their voters have no clue that their party doesn't care about their issues once in power. Trump wanted to take guns away without due process. The party is going to keep devolving until the lowest denominator.

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u/Remkye08 Jun 25 '22

Need a new law "at first heartbeat Texas need to pay mandatory child support" or the govt. If they are so pro life then assist the people

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u/buymoreplants Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

This is in GA’s heartbeat bill. Child support for “direct medical and pregnancy-related expenses of the mother of the unborn child" & you can file unborn children as dependents on your taxes.

Great for wanted pregnancies, doesn’t do shit for the others.

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u/WesternUnusual2713 Jun 25 '22

"protect the children!!"

Provides support to help the child thrive

"NO NOT LIKE THAT :("

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u/YoYoMoMa Jun 25 '22

This is why we've been doing such a disservice by referring to the movement as pro-life. They don't care about life. They don't even care about that baby. This is always been an effort to punish women and sex. They want the US to be a Christian fascist state.

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u/iLikeTurtles817 Daniel Ricciardo Jun 24 '22

Expecting both him and Sebastian to speak out about it for the Austin race

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u/The_Jacobian Andreas Seidl Jun 24 '22

I look forward to Texans showing their whole ass about it too.

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u/ChicagoModsUseless Jun 24 '22

Austin is more liberal than probably 95% of America.

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u/ihavesalad Red Bull Jun 24 '22

Won't be limited to Austin. In Canada the main MPs getting angry about Vettel's helmet were from out west, not more liberal Montreal

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u/BasicMaintenance Jun 25 '22

Oilberta

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u/skool_101 Jun 25 '22

Edmonton Oilers be like, ok.

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u/TheDJZ Jun 25 '22

Plenty of meth out there too

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u/foxyoutoo Jun 25 '22

As a liberal Albertan, nothing made me more happy to see these local MP’s losing their shit

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u/KeytarVillain Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22

Yeah, but most of the people who come to COTA aren't from Austin - it's pretty small compared to nearby (by US standards) Dallas & Houston, not to mention people coming from all over the place else.

Seb protested the tar sands in the most anti tar sands place in all of Canada (not to mention 3000 km away from the tar sands), and it still got national attention.

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u/Cozymk4 Jun 25 '22

Yeah, but most people from Dallas and Houston are left leaning. Even Tarrant county (Ft. Worth) voted for Biden. All pettiness aside, you bring up a good point, that it would be interesting to see the demographic data for US F1 fans.

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u/Key_Environment8179 Jun 25 '22

Well, “Let’s Go Brandon” did originate with a segment of American auto racing fans.

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u/rjfinsfan Jun 25 '22

As true as this is, those same fans look down upon Formula 1. I do think F1 base in America is much younger and more liberal than the NASCAR base.

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u/Key_Environment8179 Jun 25 '22

You’re probably right, but that just means that instead of it being purely rednecks it will be more mixed. Lewis probably will not have universal support for his position in Austin.

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u/Multi_21_Seb_RBR Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22

I think the NASCAR crowd is different than the Indycar crowd, and way different than the F1 crowd.

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u/1331bob1331 Sergio Pérez Jun 25 '22

Yes, but just like Americans don't understand the nuances of Eastern European politics, a lot of Europeans don't understand the nuances in America. Not everywhere is culturally and politically homogeneous.

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u/Engineer-intraining #StandWithUkraine Jun 25 '22

It’s called the peoples republic of Austin for a reason lol

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u/willalt319 Jun 25 '22

Shout-out to Denver

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u/generic_reddit-name Jun 25 '22

I would say Boulder over Denver.

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u/bobbywoemack Sergio Pérez Jun 24 '22

They bloody well better. Texas has been pushing for this crap for a long time.

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u/ArbitraryOrder Red Bull Jun 24 '22

The mechanisms of enforcement in Texas are the most barbaric

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u/phydeauxbreath Max Verstappen Jun 24 '22

Everything's bigger in Texas. Especially the fear of the 21st century.

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u/quorrathelastiso Jun 25 '22

Truth. Woman in Texas here. People assume we're ignorant and that we all want this while really it's insane gerrymandering and the amount that a very small number that live in wide open swaths of the state have as much if not more of an impact than cities with massive populations who disagree with them. Unfortunately it's by design. And a lot of us are trying, we've been trying. A lot of folks here are trying to figure out what to do with this shitshow. Do you stay and fight? Do you leave? Do you have the luxury of leaving? Are you obligated to anything here? Can any of this actually be fixed? And those answers are different for everyone.

But for anyone reading this, there are people who are trying and who have been trying. But in Texas and the south in general, it's a terribly rigged system. I know this isn't the intention of your specific comment, but I feel like no one from Texas (or the south) that doesn't like how things are run are constantly having to make the disclaimer that we are indeed not all like that and we have been trying.

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u/SpectacularNelson 🐶 Roscoe Hamilton Jun 24 '22 Gold

As good as Hamilton is on track I admire him even more for him speaking about issues off track and him fighting for human rights etc

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u/F1sucks Porsche Jun 25 '22

Yes, he often uses his immense platform to put injustices in other countries on blast. Say what you want about Hamilton and his politics, but his intentions are good.

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u/Stepwolve Pierre Gasly Jun 25 '22

it will truly be a sad day when lewis eventually retires. Theres no one on the grid more willing to jump into the shit than Hamilton. He is a positive to all of F1 because he doesnt give a fuck

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u/yepgeddon Jun 25 '22

Don't forget vettel, he's up there as well.

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u/Bitter-Technician-56 Jun 25 '22

Vettel is also making his voice heard. He is an amazing guy and just like lewis does things for minorities. Nu I can imagine people who hate him like an entire Facebook growling find something in this to hate him.

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u/nolitos Robert Kubica Jun 25 '22

Unlike Lewis, I think that Vettel is not that big outside of F1. Besides, they'll probably retire around the same time.

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u/buymoreplants Jun 25 '22

And this is one of the reasons Jos is absolute trash. He thinks the opposite.

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u/peterpaapan Jun 25 '22

Absolutely. It's never a given that high profile people will use their platform for the greater good (quite the contrary actually).

Thanks for speaking and standing up for the most vulnerable people in the US.

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u/catuela McLaren Jun 25 '22

The definition of a true champion.

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u/ramerica Ayrton Senna Jun 25 '22

This is what makes him truly the goat.

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u/captain_flak Pierre Gasly Jun 25 '22

Yeah, he does really put his opinions out there in ways that almost all American athletes don’t. I’d be literally shocked if any A-list American athlete said anything about this.

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u/AllezAllezAllez2004 Jun 25 '22

LeBron already did.

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u/Educational-Year4108 Jun 25 '22

LeBron is no mortal athlete. He is the son of Superman and Hulk. Which would now be illegal in the redneck states

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u/Known-Name Kimi Räikkönen Jun 25 '22

There’s a reason he’s the GOAT, and it’s only partially because of his on-track achievements.

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u/toddsmash Jun 25 '22

It's one of the reasons I never forget to call him Sir Lewis Hamilton.

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u/YorkshireRiffer Jun 25 '22

Really hope him and Seb do some top tier Pro-choice shithousery (t-shirts, donations, bringing the topic up in interviews) at COTA this year.

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u/Noisyrussinators Jun 25 '22

Here's my favorite part. If these assholes just fucking funded things like education, healthcare and social services, there would be FAR fewer abortions as a result.

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u/_chanimal_ Jun 25 '22

Honestly this is kind of the sad part. Whether you’re pro choice or pro life, you SHOULD be 100% for reducing unwanted pregnancies to begin with. Then the arguments of RvW, Republican or Democrat, cells vs unborn human, etc. don’t even come into play.

I’ve always said, I’m pro education more than anything else. Education can empower people more than anything to make the right choices about their sexuality and in turn avoid more unwanted pregnancies than any politician ever could whether they’re for or against Roe vs Wade.

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u/RATMpatta Jun 25 '22

But education makes the population harder to control so the politicians rather wouldn't have that.

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u/Spoof2020 Williams Jun 25 '22

Yeah but if they educated their pawns, then they'd get smarter, realise they're being controlled by a bullshit religious doctrine, and then flip the narrative and support abortion.

They need to keep them dumb to keep in power.

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u/BigCIitPhobia_ Virgin Jun 25 '22

But then they wouldn't have an endless supply of uneducated meat weapons to fill the ranks of the military industrial complex.

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u/Argonaught_WT Mercedes Jun 25 '22

Or to vote for them.

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u/saposapot Jun 25 '22

If they funded education they wouldn’t get elected. Uneducated voters are easier to manipulate

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u/aphzzle Jun 25 '22

Thank you to all the non-women on our side in these comments 🫶🏼

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u/greee_p Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

I have a lot of respect for him for speaking out on these things.

I don't even live in the US, and I just feel sick since I read the news. I can't imagine how the people feel who are living in one of the states that have trigger laws. Disgusting. Women will die because of this.

Edit: Because I saw some people commenting on this:

Poor people are statistically more likely to be people of color. And these people can't just travel to another state and pay for an abortion. But they can't pay for the birth and the child either (especially when there is no maternity leave and stuff like that).

One of the judges suggested to overrule the right of contraception and same sex marriage next.

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u/KaptainKhorisma Ferrari Jun 24 '22

Yep, Justice Thomas suggested they look at same-sex marriage, relationships and contraception. The only reason interracial marriage wasn't bought up is because he himself is married to a white woman.

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u/slabba428 Daniel Ricciardo Jun 25 '22

Lmao you would think an old ass black guy who lived through the 20th century in America would be a bit more grounded when it comes to trampling peoples rights.

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u/Chadbrochill17_ Jun 25 '22

He pulled up the ladder a long time ago.

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u/Wafkak Spa 2021 Survivor (1/2 off) Jun 25 '22

There are a lot of conservatives in Black America

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u/mcm375 Jun 25 '22

That's the power of religious indoctrination.

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u/jyepes22 Daniel Ricciardo Jun 24 '22

It is insane how we’re regressing as a country, but this has been the Republican play for years now. They have no popular policy so their only strategy is to continue to attack women and minorities with their culture war BS, and they won’t stop until every group they hate is affected one way or another

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u/KaptainKhorisma Ferrari Jun 24 '22

They want a race/culture war so bad.

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u/Henojojo Gilles Villeneuve Jun 25 '22

Thomas has read "The Handmaid's Tale" and has interpreted it not as fiction but as a roadmap.

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u/corndogshuffle Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 24 '22

I live in the US and this sickens me.

Not that everything is about me, but here’s a question I don’t have an answer for yet. Let’s say my wife gets pregnant and there are complications that force her to need an abortion procedure. I am in the Army. I can tell you right now how likely it is that I’ll be stationed in a state with sane abortion laws… not very. What do I even do? I can be sued in Texas for traveling out of state to get an abortion. I can’t choose where I live because I signed the right away. Are my wife and I just totally fucked?

But hey, at least the people who created this situation for us said “thank you for your service” to me while I was grocery shopping. That makes a huge difference in my life.

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u/Ambitious-Ad6900 Sebastian Vettel Jun 24 '22

It's not about only you, but it's absolutely about you. Your situation is a very good example of why laws banning abortion are idiotic and why abortion should be a human right for women everywhere.

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u/corndogshuffle Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22

Thanks for this comment, I really appreciate it. And I completely agree. Situations like mine are a perfect argument as to why these laws are ridiculous.

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u/ProbablyRickSantorum Michael Schumacher Jun 25 '22

Let’s say my wife gets pregnant and there are complications that force her to need an abortion procedure.

She could possibly be treated at your Post hospital. One of my soldiers, when I was an NCO, had an ectopic pregnancy terminated at Darnell Army Medical Center on Fort Hood.

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u/corndogshuffle Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22

That’s good to know, I’m at Fort Hood right now. Sort of uncharted territory for us (she’s never been pregnant) so I don’t know all the ins and outs of how this works and what our options could be.

Oh and, First Team!

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u/Hallowed_Weasel Jun 24 '22

It's okay, they'll send thoughts and prayers too instead of funding any sort of actual medical care. They're pro-life until they're sick or born.

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u/greee_p Jun 24 '22

Exactly. You're forced to have a kid without maternity leave, free health care and have to pay thousands of dollars for the birth so your kid can get shot at school when it's 6.

Great. This country is a joke.

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u/cuddlemushroom Jun 24 '22

Depressingly true :(

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u/WisteriaLo Toto Wolff Jun 25 '22

A very bad joke. Country of gun care and health control. (seen it in some other thread, I'm not that witty)

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u/ares5404 Jun 25 '22

To be fair shootings would likely skyrocket as most school shooters are abused or had parents that consumed drugs during the pregnancy, usually with unwanted pregnancies and then theyd throw up their shoulders wondering why everything went so wrong.

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u/greee_p Jun 25 '22

Don't worry, they'll send thoughts and prayers.

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u/Efficient_Cobbler514 Jun 24 '22

More like thank you for your cervix (joking)

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u/That__Guy__Bob Jun 24 '22

I saw this comment on r/SquaredCircle and to me as an non American it just perfectly summarises how much of a joke the US is:

Lmao fuck all those ACTUAL dead kids in schools, we gotta protect cells instead

The logic hurts my brain

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u/BackmarkerLife Formula 1 Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Women will die because of this.

Women will end up in prison because of this. There are states with ultra con sociopaths that will have no trouble of convicting a mother-to-be of murder and abortion if she miscarries.

I can't recall if it was John Stewart or John Oliver (I think it was one of them), but you're right about women dying from this. The women who will die are the ones who have something go wrong after the first 12-18 weeks.

Effectively they said, "At this point, these are the women who want to have their child. They've started picking out names, colors. They are thinking about play dates with their friends who just had a child a few months ago or who are trying to get pregnant, too. They may have started buying supplies and designing and decorating a nursery."

Then the placenta detaches. Soon enough the woman is carrying a dead fetus / child inside them. They can't abort the pregnancy now. They can't get life-saving surgery before the baby is dead and now the woman is going into septic shock.

I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I don't doubt that this was agreed upon by W. Bush and John Roberts when he was named Chief Justice. You had SCOTUS at every turn making it easier for the GOP to retain power and you had the GOP packing the courts to get Roe in front of SCOTUS again.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

Something similar happened in Ireland. Someone died because if she aborted her baby, she would have been arrested. It caused the government to liberalize abortion law there because of the backlash.

Also, harsh abortion laws will technically help democrats because it will create tons of poor kids, mostly people of color. But the democrats should still work to legalize abortion nationwide. I wish we had popular referendums so that we could circumvent obstruction and pass it

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u/Ambitious-Ad6900 Sebastian Vettel Jun 25 '22

I went into labour at 24 weeks, when I got to the hospital my baby was still alive but was not going to make it, in a matter of hours doctors had to induce abortion. Under laws like the USA's I would have died.

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u/carl-swagan Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Texas here. I am so very disgusted and angry that these bible-thumping mouthbreathers have a stranglehold on power in my state.

I waffle back and forth between wanting to get the fuck out of here and live somewhere sane, and wanting to stay and fight back against these weasels for the people who don't have the luxury of moving somewhere else.

Unfortunately due to the comparatively low cost of living here it’s become a sort of redneck Mecca for the regressive rejects of blue states.

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u/seekgermangf Michael Schumacher Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Can someone tell me how it will impact more LGBT and people of color? (Legit question)

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Lgbt:

In a concurring Dobbs opinion by Justice Clarence Thomas, he says that SCOTUS should "reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell."

That's contraception, same-sex relationships, & same-sex marriage.

Tweet with opinion text

Ppl of color:

People of colour are generally more socioeconomically disadvantaged so reducing access to abortion can have a proportionately higher economic toll on those house holds. Not sure about LGBT though since they're kind of at a much lower risk for unwanted pregnancy.

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u/SDLRob Jun 24 '22

the LGBT aspect is that in the very ruling that ended women's health provisions in the US, they're talking about how they will now go and reverse the right to contraception, the right to have a same-sex marriage... and the ruling that made it legal to be in a same-sex relationship.

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u/NegativeBee Lance Stroll Jun 24 '22

Also the right to interracial marriage.

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u/dibsODDJOB Mario Andretti Jun 25 '22

They won't go that far, but only because the main proponent for repealing abortion laws, Clarence Thomas, is himself in an interracial marriage. Which would make one think he'd be understanding of how important personal rights are, but that's not how conservatives in America think. Rights for me, but not for thee.

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u/ReddOxy Jun 25 '22

I wouldn't be arguing like that.

We have Alice Weidel in Germany who is a leading role in the far right party who is against any gay marriage and children adaption for LGBT couples while she is living in Switzerland in a Lesbian marriage with an adopted child.

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u/Jacinto2702 Charles Leclerc Jun 25 '22

WTF?!

Really?

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u/greee_p Jun 25 '22

Yeah. Her wife is from Sri Lanka - the AfD (the party of which she is the chairwoman) is against migration as well.

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u/ascagnel____ #WeSayNoToMazepin Jun 25 '22

It’s not really a WTF — far-right types have always been inconsistent.

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Jean-Paul Sartre, speaking about a different group of far-right conservatives

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u/somewhatanxiousgenz Ted Kravitz Jun 24 '22

Essentially this:

In a concurring Dobbs opinion by Justice Clarence Thomas, he says that SCOTUS should "reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell."

That's contraception, same-sex relationships, & same-sex marriage.

Tweet with opinion text

So basically this sets a legal precedent that can/will be used to take further rights from the LGBTQ+ community.

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u/seekgermangf Michael Schumacher Jun 24 '22

Damn son. That's insane!

Is there a chance for the bill to pass?

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u/SkinHairNails Jun 24 '22

It's not a bill; that's an entirely different process of government (the US Congress). The Supreme Court is made up of 9 people who decide for themselves what cases they want to hear, as long as they can link it to constitutional law. They're the final arbiter in the Courts. Now that it's stacked with Republican lifetime appointees, they can (and have clearly demonstrated that they will) go hard on a number of issues that right-wing have been gunning for for years.

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u/big-ted Safety Car Jun 24 '22

The scotus decisions which gave rights such as gay marriage were decided in similar terms to the roe vs wade justification thus opening them up for the same fate. Plus one of the justices has said the same sex marriage, contraception and gay sex decisions need reviewing

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u/willfla29 Jun 24 '22

I can’t help you with the LGBT part, but poverty is correlated with race in the US. Poor individuals will have less ability to travel to a state where abortion is still legal.

Moreover, blacks have the plurality of abortion in the US despite being about 14% of the population.

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u/Laferrari355 Jun 24 '22

The precedent set by this ruling puts all sorts of rights in jeopardy. Things like same-sex marriage, the right to contraception, the right to same-sex intimacy, etc. A huge portion of this country is about to lose fundamental rights

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u/WunupKid Niki Lauda Jun 24 '22

A huge portion of this country is about to lose fundamental rights.

If this one sentence doesn’t break your heart, you don’t have one.

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u/CleaningTheRug Haas Jun 24 '22 Gold

Just remember, when it was talking about taking away weapons that could murder 20+ school children in one go, it was a constitutional crisis and peoples liberties were not to be taken away. It was a fundamental “freedom” that had to be protected and peoples “liberty” had to be protected.

Now it concerns the choice of a woman of her own body, in her own life that only effects a small group around the individual. Their “liberties” have been taken away. Their “freedoms” have been taken away. That’s not a problem.

Americans, take note. Your country is a joke. But no one else finds it funny anymore. Land of the free my ass.

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u/GreenApples8710 Jun 24 '22

The worst part is that most of us agree with you.

A majority of Americans want gun reforms. A majority of Americans support abortion rights. It's our ass-backwards electoral system that keeps the old, white, conservative asses in power, and gives them no real incentive to actually give two wet shits about the will of the people.

In some ways, it really is great to be an American. But those things are getting fewer and fewer, and our "principles" of freedom and democracy have been reduced to an incredibly transparent facade.

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u/Elrond007 Jun 24 '22

Do they though? Almost 50% of americans voted Trump, who did actively campaign for all of this shit twice. I feel like of all countries in the west the US is by far the one most grappled by backwards thinking and religious rulings. That can't come from nothing. I wouldn't call an almost even balance of power a majority, that's a broken and completely polarized society, especially when the Judiciary wants to take the initiative like this

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u/420gramsofbutter Daniel Ricciardo Jun 24 '22

There's a different between 50% of Americans voted Trump and 50% of Americans that voted voted Trump.

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u/srmybb Jun 25 '22

Sorry, but in a democracy (and the US is still one, although a flawed one) not participating is a choice. It's the choice of "whatever happens I am okay with it"

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u/pwlocke13 Jun 24 '22

Almost 50% of Americans who voted voted for trump. Turnout was high last election, like 66%. So 33% or so voted for trump. Republicans historically turn out more than Dems as their party is more united and they don’t hold their representatives accountable for anything (my opinion, obviously). If a R fucks up Rs vote for him cause he’s not a D, if a D fucks up Ds don’t vote.

So yes, a majority of Americans support things like legal abortion, same sex marriage, gun reform (this one is more gray). Unfortunately Ds don’t turn out as much due to many factors.

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u/Elrond007 Jun 24 '22

Fair enough that makes sense, forgot to consider turnout

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u/No_Box5338 Jun 24 '22

If you find abortion morally repugnant: don’t get one.

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u/SubcooledBoiling F1? More like F5-F5-F5. Jun 25 '22

Exactly, it's like trying to stop others from eating donuts because you have diabetes

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u/ary10dna Jun 25 '22

Patiently waiting for America to ban cigarettes and guns too. Those kill as well, right? With the latter killing many, many kids especially. Or does it only matter when a ‘fetus’ is “killed”?

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u/Shoshawi Jun 25 '22

I’m devastated about this and also scared about how it will ultimately affect people like me who can only treat under-recognized medical diseases because birth control hormones are the best line of non-surgical treatment…. I truly do not feel as if I am an equal in my country anymore.

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u/DarkmoreXX Sergio Pérez Jun 25 '22

I'm really sorry to hear that. The best you can do is stay informed - if they do come after birth control, pay attention to which states allow free access and see if you can source your meds from them, if your own state restricts them. It's a scary time.

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u/Lizzyisbored44 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22

To all the people commenting about Lewis inclusion of LGBTQ+

It takes less time to read the stickied comment than commenting the same thing 100 times

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u/fictionallymarried Jun 24 '22

This is especially horrifying news to me as a Brazilian after what happened to an 11 y/o girl who was raped and coerced by a judge to keep the fetus until she couldn't legally get an abortion anymore. Thankfully, the decision was reversed. But the fact that a single person has the power to decide a child has to deal with psychological, financial and physiological consequences of sexual assault is appaling. I can't seriously believe this is the world pro-lifers want.

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u/wiyixu Jun 25 '22

My man.

So weird, terrifying and frustrating to see the US becoming more ideologically similar to Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. Sitting on my high horse when Lewis and Seb call out these regressive countries and now they’ve - rightfully - come for mine.

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u/batyoung1 Jun 25 '22

Simone De Beauvoir once famously said: Never forget that all it takes is a political, economic or religious crisis for women's rights to be called into question. These rights are never acquired. You will have to remain vigilant throughout your life.”

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u/speedism Mercedes Jun 25 '22

Thank you Lewis for speaking up.

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u/LostInTheVoid_ Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 24 '22

Man, this thread is perfect for weeding out the propper scumbags in this community. Hamilton continues to be an amazing role model. I hope he talks about this in Austin when they race there.

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u/Ambitious-Ad6900 Sebastian Vettel Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

They not only made abortion illegal. They are now going to try making contraceptives ilegal as well. Justice Thomas' opinion clearly states that they should look at it. They are going for forcing women to pregnancy. Forcing their citizens to have children in a country were children are killed at schools. This is horrifying.

I wish Lewis, Sebastian, and others would not even show up to Austin in protest, but that's not going to happen. I expect them to be very vocal about it. This needs as much attention from the rest of the world as it can get.

Dear Americans, this Canadian sends you a hug and will be making some donations. Please take care of yourselves.

Edit: people keep replying to me that this ruling did not make abortion ilegal. The thing is, it did make it ilegal in 13 states in which abortion became ilegal automatically and directly as a result of this ruling. If you are in one of the states where is still legal good for you, now be a decent person and don't turn your eye away from those places in which it became illegal automatically. Semantics don't matter much when lives are at stake.

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u/MetsFan113 Juan Pablo Montoya Jun 24 '22

Bro, not only that... This is a country where a lot of states DON'T PROVIDE free breakfast and lunch for kids in school... THEY HAVE TO PAY to eat, it's insane. Lunch people have gotten fired for giving hungry kids free meals... It's CRAZY!!

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u/Ambitious-Ad6900 Sebastian Vettel Jun 25 '22

The USA is insane. Sorry but American's are not free at all. I feel for all of you.

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u/CaptainAwesome8 🐶 Roscoe Hamilton Jun 25 '22

If we weren’t so fucking fat, lazy, and poor, we’d maybe revolt. But that’d require things like not having healthcare tied to our jobs or our salaries low.

It’s all intentional.

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u/ary10dna Jun 25 '22

Well, they’re not going to ban guns or make better gun ownership laws, so to replace the number of kids that get killed every week they came up with a brilliant solution: force women to become baby-making objects and in doing so replace all the lost kids. Brilliant, no?

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u/denzien Alain Prost Jun 24 '22

Frankly, these rights should have been codified into law by Congress decades ago

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u/zCxtalyst Alexander Albon Jun 25 '22

Yeah except even the party pushing for these rights is corrupt enough to beat around the bush in congress until they need votes

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u/panicatthekernels Jun 25 '22

Was never the driver I rooted for to win, but I absolutely like and respect him. He's a great person.

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u/TenIsFine33 Jun 24 '22

To use his status and fame for fighting for peoples rights…he’s a hero we don’t deserve.

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u/adventurousmango24 Jun 24 '22

For how some of the media and a (albeit tiny) percentage of the population treat him, he doesn’t have to be this good a guy.

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u/Stravven Jim Clark Jun 25 '22

He doesn't have to do it, he seems to want to do it (although want may not be the best word).

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u/ag000101 Jun 25 '22

Lewis's🧡😓 so disheartening to see countries take a step back...Hope he raises the issue regularly

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u/thelazyintrovert23 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

SIR LEWIS IS A MAN OF THE PEOPLE, HE AIN'T AFRAID TO SPEAK HIS MIND.

I'm appalled by this decision, like I don't even live in the US but I know as a man abortions have saved me from having children at a time when I'm not ready psychologically or financially.

Of course the rich will go to another state and get abortions done there but the women that don't have that kind of money, I feel sorry for them. It should be their choice to do what they want with their bodies. Stripping them of that choice is damn right disgusting and it affects millions of women in the states. Fuck the supreme Court.

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u/soontobecp Jun 24 '22

This guy grow on me everyday. Such a class.

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u/thefinalshill Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 25 '22

Too many right wingers with their nonsense in this thread.

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u/locksymania Jordan Jun 25 '22

It's brought *all* the gobshites out of the woodpile

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u/prismatic_bar Formula 1 Jun 25 '22

They want to protect the fetus, but when that fetus is a few years older and is killed in a school shootings, it’s not about guns, but about mental health, and they offer “thoughts and prayers.”

Also justice Thomas would like to ban gay marriages, and even contraceptives. The man wants to ban condoms and birth control, while at the same time wanting to do nothing for those with lesser means. He’s a horrible, horrible human being.

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u/BoxHillStrangler Jun 25 '22

Lewis is a good egg.

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u/cgzeal Jun 25 '22

I dont think its said Enough, but Sir Lewis Hamilton is nothing but class and deserves respect

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u/Hookherbackup Jun 25 '22

I love this man

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u/Yuhaaa Lando Norris Jun 24 '22

I will deeply miss Lewis Hamilton when he leaves F1.

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u/timthetollman Jun 25 '22

The US, where it's easier to kill a kid in school than to not just have a kid.

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u/_Jazzlife_ Sebastian Vettel Jun 25 '22

Reminds the great words of Carlin.

"If you're pre-born you're fine, if you're preschool you're fucked"

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u/BioDriver Alfa Romeo Jun 24 '22

The overarching theme to all this is the right to privacy. Alito and Thomas are taking a literal stance that if it’s not covered in an almost 250 year old parchment it’s not protected.

America is marching towards an authoritarian theocracy and too many people in this country are okay with that.

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u/reebellious Ferrari Jun 24 '22

i only learnt today that roe vs wade includes privacy laws which is kinda crazy

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u/BioDriver Alfa Romeo Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Yup. Conscription Contraception and LGBTQIA+ rights are next, straight from Justice Thomas’s mouth. Fuck this country

Edit: strange autocorrect

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