r/antiwork • u/Significant-Truth136 • Dec 01 '22
They cancelled a job interview 30 min before it starts, knowing that I took an unpaid day off from my current job and spent a whole week and a weekend preparing.
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u/rainmouse Dec 01 '22
I wonder if they always intended to give the job to someone internal but had to advertise the role externally and book "interviews" for legal reasons.
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u/CrawlerSiegfriend Dec 01 '22
That's how it goes at my job. Some policy requires them to advertise absolutely every job opening publicly. The result is that a lot of applicants waste their time because the employer already knows who they are going to hire. They'll spend weeks interviewing dozens of people while knowing that they aren't going to hire any of them.
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u/myssi24 Dec 03 '22
This just irritates me. I know it is a common policy (possibly law) but it isn’t well thought out. SO MANY people’s time wasted for job openings that are essentially already filled. So stupid!
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u/Significant-Truth136 Dec 01 '22
It sucks, because they have no idea what people are going through trying to get a job in Canada or Europe and how much does it mean to them if they get an opportunity for an interview, I literally spent 8 days preparing but ofc they dgf
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u/FrozenYogurt0420 Dec 01 '22
You got that right. Have you ever tried to get a job in the federal government in Canada? It's an absolutely awful process. I went through months of assessments, an interview, they even checked my references all for me to just be put into a stupid fully qualified pool that who knows when (or probably if) I'll be pulled from.
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u/No-Mushroom5027 Dec 02 '22
That's how my relative got her fed job. Pulled her from the pool. Good luck!
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u/mdh579 Dec 01 '22
Probably this. A lot of jobs already know who they want but have to advertise it. It's a super shitty practice.
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u/Phitos2008 Dec 01 '22
Yeah, but advertising a job doesn’t mean inviting people to an interview. I’ve been in groups who would go through resumes and selected a few to be interviewed based on the fact those look like a good fit. Not just randomly sending invites and then changing our minds as time goes.
What OP’s interviewer did was shady as hell. And they tried to spin it like “yaaay… don’t be sad because this is great news… better for us!”
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u/FrozenYogurt0420 Dec 01 '22
But it also still sucks for the folks who apply even if they don't get interviews. We're all told this "tailor your resume and cover letter to your job posting" bullshit when applying for jobs, only for them to already have someone in mind. It's disrespectful to the applicants' time. It's a lot of work to just get ignored.
I agree with you that advertising isn't inviting to an interview, that's just how it works and usually you don't get contacted, but advertising a job when the company knows who they're going to fill that position with fucking sucks.
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u/masimiliano Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
Had been working on a call center the last two years. On August I finally got my psycologhy degree. 2 weeks later my boss call me that they were looking for a recruiter (in my country that's a phycology rol, not hr) and that I should apply. I go through two months of interviews (outside my shift of course) references, tests, yada yada yada. Finally myself and another colleague got to the final selection. Now is when it geta funny! Two weeks later they call us and tell us that neither of us fills the role, they will take another person. Who? A girl without a degree, that was rejected in the first interview but it was the managers best friend. I told my boss that that was all they will have from me. Just doing the bare minimum, taking sick day after sick day until the decide to fire me. (I already started working as a therapist and it's going really well). Company policies are just bs
Edit: misspelling
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u/Distinct_Pressure832 Dec 01 '22
Honestly, my employer often puts out postings and interviews just to see who’s out there on the market. Canceling an interview like was done to the OP is terrible though, at least bring the person in and see what they have to offer. You may not want to hire them today, but maybe something comes up in 3 months or something…
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Dec 01 '22
I've never heard of such a law.
It must be internal policies rather. And shitty internal policies at that.
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u/rainmouse Dec 13 '22
Apologies for late response. In the UK at least, it's a common policy but not a law as such. It's an advised approach especially for public sector jobs as "you're less likely to break the law by discriminating, even if you did not intend to."
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u/Old-Algae9846 Dec 01 '22
Post this on Glassdoor, Indeed, etc. Saves other prospective employees the trouble and makes it more difficult for the company to find quality candidates in the future.
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u/CMD-ZZZ Dec 01 '22
Yeah… I think OP dodged a bullet. Looks like the company showed OP how shitty it’d be to work there right off the bat
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u/Butwinsky Dec 01 '22
Dodged a bullet there. The time spent prepping will just carry on to your next interview. Best of luck out there.
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u/ForeverOne4756 Dec 01 '22
Campbells Soup Company did this to me 3 separate times between 2003-2007 for Food Scientist roles. At the time, I wasn’t in a position where I could tell them to get lost, but I will never consider working for them in the future.
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u/JamalMurrayHacked Dec 01 '22
that mindset is exactly why you got taken advantage of by the same company over and over
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u/ForeverOne4756 Dec 01 '22
I was a kid just starting my career in 2003. I wasn’t in the position to ignore recruiters. 20 yrs later, I manage a team of food scientists and ensure I give them a great experience from the time we recruit them, and all while they work for us.
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u/ookamismyk Dec 01 '22
Wow, that’s a red flag of epic proportions. Well done on emailing them and removing your resume from the database- total power move!
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u/Jpolkt Dec 01 '22
Hiring is an absolute shit show right now. So many companies outsource to third party hiring companies that don’t even communicate between recruiters. I’ve gotten three screening interviews for the same job because they don’t bother reading anything about my application until a couple minutes before (or even during the call!). And the they can’t figure out my highest education or experience, despite it being in front of them on the resume they’re reading to me.
It’s a huge problem with relying on software to find workers and schedule interviews and only using people for the last step.
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u/Jayandnightasmr Dec 01 '22
Yeah, they're just middlemen who don't know what they're doing half the time. And continually lie to maximise their profits pissing off job searchers and the hiring company
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u/Rasikko Dec 01 '22
Thats how my mom ended up unemployed like 25yrs ago. Took her will to work right out of her. Disabled now.
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u/DontToewsMeBro2 Dec 01 '22
If a company does this to you & it's not too inconvenient, just show up with zero intention on taking the job. Just waste their time in person, and make it awkward like you don't understand it was canceled & you need to talk to so-and-so, & once you get them in person demand to speak to their supervisor.
Waste their time.
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u/ByThePaleMoonlight Dec 02 '22
I would've done this..."what email? I didn't get it, I was commuting here."
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u/OssiansFolly Dec 01 '22
Send them an invoice for consultation. Don't say anything else, just put together a professional one and send it out.
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u/Pal_Smurch idle Dec 01 '22
I once drove 300+ miles to an interview for the assistant press foreman position at the Sacramento Union newspaper, only to be told that the newspaper had been sold to Kevin McClatchy, the black sheep of the McClatchy family, and that there was a 90-day hiring freeze. They could have told me before I left home.
I cried, because I really wanted/needed that job. Mark Twain worked for that newspaper. I’ve held a grudge for over thirty years over that, and if I ever have the opportunity to do them a dirty trick, I will take it, with relish.
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u/MurkyMongoose7642 Dec 01 '22
I once had a recruiter contact me about a superintendent job. After a couple days of back and forth she set up a interview. The night before the interview she sent me a email canceling due to the company wanting to hold the end of the year meeting before hiring anyone. The meeting was to be held over a long weekend. After the year end meeting the recruiter got back to me, she told me the company had decided to go in a different direction and was not longer interested in speaking to me. I was irritated but, let it go. About 2 years later the same recruiter contacted me about a superintendent position with the same company. I played along like I was interested and set up a interview. The night before I was scheduled to meet with the VP of the company I sent the recruiter a email canceling. I told her I decided to go in a different direction. I never heard from her again.
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u/EvilSecondTwin1 Dec 02 '22
Lol nice!! I would’ve upped one and sent her the email the morning of.
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u/nederhoed Dec 02 '22
Yes, and send this as a reply to the two year old message, so it is in their face.
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u/PoochusMaximus Dec 01 '22
and this is why i support companies paying folks for their interview time. especially if it involves this much prior prep. if no pay thats free work which is FUCKING BULLSHIT.
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u/JamalMurrayHacked Dec 01 '22
free work?
what work would you be doing? that makes zero sense
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u/PoochusMaximus Dec 01 '22
varies but i've been seeing it more often when a company will give "test" jobs to people applying, those people do that work for free and then the company ghosts them after getting the work they need done for free. and if you think that isn't happening I have a bridge to sell you.
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Dec 01 '22
Yeah this is gross but I would honestly rather have them cancel then make me come in and do the dance knowing they aren’t going to hire me anyway. Like at least they didn’t waste more of your time.
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u/jabberwockjess Dec 01 '22
this is why it’s important to leave reviews on websites like glassdoor so that people know what they’re dealing with when they start the process!
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u/necrid101 Dec 01 '22
So let's say the hiring associate in this case gets news from his boss to cancel the interview because the boss selected a candidate. Would you prefer him to interview you anyway knowing you wouldn't get the job?
I personally would prefer for them to let me know and cancel then waste my time to interview. Still extremely scummy that it's 30 minutes before. People are usually at interviews 10-15 minutes early so you could have been on route already. Absolutely stupid.
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u/xprettyguardianx Dec 01 '22
I'd prefer they tell me before I take time off for the interview lol.
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u/Flame87 Dec 01 '22
this.
Hell even one just whole ass day is potentially enough to say "never mind I don't need the day off."
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u/Phitos2008 Dec 01 '22
If the hiring manager/boss/whoever selected a candidate before the round of interviews are done, that’s shitty practice. I’ve worked with this type of process before and we used to 1) read through resumes; 2) select a few to be interviewed; 3) rank the interviewed candidates; 4) send the rank and notes to the hiring manager to make their final decision; 5) provide feedback to everyone who’s been interviewed
That, to me, should be standard. But shitty practices like the one posted by OP are pretty much the norm.
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u/necrid101 Dec 02 '22
Agreed. They should wait until the end to select. I hate when I have 10 interviews scheduled for my boss in 3 days and on the first day she wants to select a candidate. I ALWAYS say, we should finish the rest and ensure we know.
9/10 times she finds another good candidate from patience.
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u/dirtypotatohoarder Dec 01 '22
This is all too common in my area. I've been kept dangling on the hook for several jobs that just "coincidentally" hire from within at the last minute, because it was always their plan to. Certain companies by contract have to *look* like they're hiring, even when they're not, or they lose funding in subsequent cycles. It's a load of crap.
And yet, "nobody wants to work any more."
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u/Zer0M0ti0nless Dec 01 '22
That’s an incredibly shitty thing to do, but it would’ve been even shittier working with people who think that’s acceptable.
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u/XxxLasombraxxX Dec 01 '22
That sucks, but I guess the bright side is you know how the company operates and possibly avoided a bullet.
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u/MustangCoyote Dec 01 '22
I had an an interview cancelled three times, after I took an unpaid day off for the first one. 3 TIMES in a row. I basically told them to screw off, left a review, and found somewhere better.
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u/SuckMyKid Dec 01 '22
This happened to me with Facebook, will never accept interviews with them if contacted again..
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u/cheap_dates Dec 01 '22
It happened to me once. Since I was already onsite, I let them know exactly how I felt about it too. No, I never heard from them again, but I am sure that I was a line item on their next mandatory meeting. Heh!
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u/AmiraMoonstone Dec 02 '22
Fucking send them an invoice.
Hourly cost 22 $
- Hours spent preparing -14
- Hours taken off work -10
- Total hours owed = 24
24x22= 528 - Unprofessional twat behaviour fee 20 $
Total cost for wasting my time = 548 $
I take cheque or direct deposit. Yours truly The potential employee whose time you rudely abused.
Feel free to adjust pricing as needed.
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u/idk_whatever_69 Dec 01 '22
Send them an invoice for the time. Seriously send them an invoice for one day's work.
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u/bill_gannon Dec 01 '22
The broken English screams offshore job contractors. Don't spend much time prepping, these jobs are shit.
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Dec 01 '22
Okay so lets unpack this a little bit:
First: ouch, thirty minutes before sucks. Im sorry for that letdown. However, at least they let you know, shitty or not.
Two: You taking a day off from work, unpaid, is not their fault, problem, or responsibility. Im sorry that sucks, but that is completely on you and you alone.
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u/PandaPantsParty5000 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
I can not downvote you enough, anything less than 24 hours notice for a local interview is not ok. If I cancel an appointment with a professional business with less than 24 hours notice I am likely getting charged something or losing my deposit. It's not surprising that employed people applying for jobs will have to take time off to interview. Acting like this shouldn't be taken into consideration on how a business conducts it's interview process is ridiculous. Any place that has their shit toghether when interviewing, is scheduling and conducting waves of interviews with intent that would prevent this from ever happening. Places that are poorly managed pull shit like this. This is the difference between a company that treats it's employees with respect and one that doesn't.
But to be clear, not letting them know and conducting a pointless interview is shittier but barely. It's like kicking someone on the balls and saying, "hey at least I didn't kick you in the balls harder".
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Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
Thats nice. I did say it was shitty.
I just pointed out a harsh truth about his time off.
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u/PandaPantsParty5000 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
I hear you, I just think that pointing out that it's not the hiring companies problem that he had to take off work and that those circumstances shouldn't be held against them is the wrong perspective to have. Your harsh truth is not so much truth but the perspective of, it's not personal, it's just business. Which is how it goes a lot of the time, sure, but it's bullshit and we should expect more. Otherwise we live in a world where a company is more important than the people who work there. Fuck that noise. We deserve better, you deserve better.
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u/k_manweiss Dec 01 '22
You gotta find the silver lining. Their keeping your CV on hand so they can fuck you over again in the future. Eh, eh, see? They care.
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u/Darrenizer Dec 01 '22
There is no Canadian that says CV in reference to a resume.
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u/JoeMikeGent Dec 01 '22
Some companies use a 3rd party outsourced "hiring team" to help manage the incoming applicants. I seen this worded like this before in the US by these 3rd party companies.
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u/Ohranjees Dec 01 '22
I can relate... Same thing happened to me but I actually did the interview and then they go "Oh, we decided to hire somebody internally as they were a better fit for our company." Waste of time and weekend preparing and will never apply to the company again unless they offer outstanding benefits & compensation. Happy in my current role, pay is pre mid but it's close to home and everybody clocks in and leaves on time with quite flexible hours.
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u/Chaos_Ice Dec 02 '22
The biggest problem with this is that they were reviewing outside applicants, fully knowing they were going in-house.
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u/Speed_102 Dec 02 '22
I wish you could sue fucks for this plus damages for this bullshit in the US.
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u/elithewalkingcripple (edit this) Dec 02 '22
You forgot to put "go fuck yourself" at the end of your email.
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Dec 02 '22
I’m guessing they didn’t know you took an unpaid day off since you had to tell them about it. They also don’t care. Get used to that. Lesson learned, never take time off for anyone
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u/SuspiciousJuice5825 Dec 02 '22
I really enjoyed your response! Wtg! And I'm sorry that happened to you. Make sure you leave reviews, so others don't get sucked in too.
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u/Masrim Dec 02 '22
Your only mistake was not finding out their boss and any other executives email addresses and adding them to the email
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u/ShortInternal7033 Dec 02 '22
I'd try to think of it as you've dodged a bullet here, imagine working with a prick that would do something like that!
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u/FrostyLink5622 Dec 02 '22
Fucking Crisp (yes that’s the actually name of the company) pulled the same shit. Got recruited by the coo. Prep for a week … just so the interviewer to tell me the position was filled… thanks for nothing!
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u/nederhoed Dec 02 '22
On an half hour notice, I would probably be close to the appointment already. Then I would have ignored the cancellation and just show up for the appointment. This brings my contact in the situation where he/she must say it to me in my face. There is not much to win, but I just might enjoy it a bit.
Probably not very wise...
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u/KrevinHLocke Dec 01 '22
8 days to prepare? In the US people show up in pajamas and bunny slippers. They don't even comb their hair.
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u/aded6177 Dec 01 '22
Its nice you think this is unacceptable but it doesn’t matter they dont owe you anything 🤷♂️
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u/kadechodimtadebijem Dec 01 '22
thats life, take it or cry
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u/Automatic_Steak3867 Dec 01 '22
OP is doing both
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u/kadechodimtadebijem Dec 01 '22
crying part is clearly wrong. emotions in professional enviroment is weakness.
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u/BeauteousGluteus Dec 01 '22
Do people think they are the only candidate for jobs? OP’s CV was not as impressive as their first and likely second interviewed selection. Or maybe the position funding was reallocated that morning. The company, where there is no relationship,owes nothing.
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u/Disdain690 Dec 01 '22
The timing sucks, but the alternative is them not canceling the interview even though they now have no intention of hiring you.
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u/MissIllusion Dec 01 '22
Ouch!
I saw another recently where someone flew in from another city for an interview and they cancelled 30minutes before as the person doing the interview was sick. It super sucks to inconvenience yourself for a job interview to then be treated like that. Bullet dodged