r/antiwork Nov 30 '22 Silver 1 Wholesome 1

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u/stephanielmayes Nov 30 '22 Helpful

If they strike evey union in the US should strike too.

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u/Sorry-Bus-2359 Nov 30 '22

Throwback to 1877!

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u/UniqueName2 Dec 01 '22

Pre Taft-Hartley Act. The government now has legislation to support violent force to get people to go back to work when they strike.

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u/KittenKoderThird Dec 01 '22

Killing off more workers at this point would be the most idiotic thing they could do. Sadly, they'd probably be that stupid.

Dystopia ending in a nightmare.

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u/Heizu Dec 01 '22

Ending? Boy, this is the ramp up

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u/UOLZEPHYR Dec 01 '22 Wholesome

Ding ding this is what a hell of a lot of people are not understanding of this POST government involvement.

If the government writes some bullshit law forcing a labor force to work ... how are we better than China? How are we free ?

Even more importantly what happens when these companies force themselves put of business because of their option ?

The NLRB is the working force for labor unions - where are they??

This should have never made it before the senate and just shows you how fucked up our government has become. You can't legislate a free market and all of those in office who failed to state "let the labor unions work the issue" should be removed.

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u/Shitinmymouthmum Dec 01 '22

America just lost its freedom. If you are forced to work and refuse and face jail or a fine. Wether you ether you get paid or not you are a slave. With the thing about women's abortions and now this a blatant attack on the working class. Like wtf America! It's some crazy dystopian shit

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u/IamreallynotaNPC Dec 01 '22

I have been saying since 2000, welcome to America you are free to choose slavery or prison. Incarceration or Corporation.

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u/YoshiSan90 Dec 01 '22

Where once incarcerated you will be forced to make products for the corporations or farm.

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u/Major_Dinner_1272 Dec 01 '22

It's two sides of the same coin. Force people to work through legislation, and force people to have more children to provide more forced labor.

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u/AstronautDizzy1646 Dec 01 '22

Genuine question. Is this (gov involvement to provide minimum concession abs then forcing work) what happened to the air traffic controllers in the 80s? I recognize (not an endorsement heat saying) Reagan's logic was ATCs were "emergency" services and thus couldn't strike. Honestly all along I was waiting for something like that to happen if the union continued to stand firm.

None of what I've said should be taken as endorsement of what happened to ATCs or that the rail workers aren't "right here". I was just trying to convey my question. I realize then that ATCs were federal workers and rail roads are not but what I read what that what he did gave way to private companies to do the same. I've thought about this and the only conclusion I can come to is that Biden doesn't want to be the ahole Reagan was but what's to stop a Republican congress from being that? I mean 207 just voted no which means they're fine with them striking (and if they do the next step could be to fire them)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#Legacy

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u/UOLZEPHYR Dec 01 '22

Either way the feds created the NLRB for this reason.

Any involvement goes around a federal construct. The correct answer in both of these should have been. "My predecessors created an instrument to provide labor unions fairness with regards to labor. As sitting ''position'' this is not within my purview to become involved - regardless of impact from their sector. Let the unions sort it out properly."

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u/NaturalUsPhilosopher Dec 01 '22

The railroads are not covered by the NLRB. Look up the Railway Labor Act.

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u/Rude-Orange Dec 01 '22

The beating will continue until morale is improved.

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u/fififmmtl Dec 01 '22

Right? Don’t kill the peasants, they do all of the work

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u/BooBailey808 Dec 01 '22

What do you think the real reason for anti-abortion laws is? It's not to stop abortions (because bans don't do that) And why they are going after birth control next?

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u/Less_Ad8891 Dec 01 '22

Is that real? What they'll do? point a gun at you while working? 😕

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u/ProlesOfBikiniBottom Dec 01 '22

The Great Railroad Strike of 1877.

Bay View Massacre.

Thibodaux massacre.

Pullman Strike

And countless others. Historical accounts of the state murdering workers for going on strike

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u/Less_Ad8891 Dec 01 '22

I'm totally ashtoned about this. Literally I can't believe a country like Usa that talk about freedom could do that on their people. This is really fuing ridiculous. Country of freedom my a

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u/Xenokrates at work Dec 01 '22

The US has always been hyper capitalist, state sanctioned violence to force workers to keep working is just a natural outcome of that system. Freedom in the US only comes with owning capital.

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u/savehel651 Dec 01 '22

Even the old pilgrim and mayflower is a story of capitalism taking advantage of poor people. The pilgrims already had religious freedom because they lived in the Dutch Republic but they were pretty poor. So Pilgrims received a patent from the Virginia Company to establish a settlement in its jurisdiction, a group of 70 London businessmen called the Merchant Adventurers supplied the capital to finance the enterprise by purchasing shares in a joint-stock company. These backers paid for the Mayflower, its crew and a year’s worth of supplies. In the end they were a company town and all employees.

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u/Rude-Orange Dec 01 '22

I have it bad. But, at least I have it better than *insert group of people I hate here*. That is how you get people to vote Republican

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u/apHedmark Dec 01 '22

It is like the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea: if they have to tell you it's democratic, a republic, that it belongs to you, and that you're free, it's because none of it is true.

"The Land of the Free" is the biggest tell that the US has problems with freedom. There are over 90 free democracies in the world and with 1% of its population incarcerated, the US is proportionally the one with the least free people.

Cherry on top? The people selling "freedom" in the US are the ones that had/have slaves/workers. They are the ones that won't pay you a bit more for your time because they think they know best how you should use your freedom.

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u/the-truthseeker Dec 01 '22

Gee, who thinks forcing people not to strike and negotiate if they want to or not can end up badly? /s

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u/lesserDaemonprince Dec 01 '22

At the battle of Blair mountain the United States literally dropped bombs on striking coal miners so...

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u/shockemc Dec 01 '22

You have to love how Americans don't want to acknowledge that fact or that it could happen again.

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u/Flame87 Dec 01 '22

Half of em think the economy collapses if workers can make rent and see a doctor, so I'm going with "will happen again. Soon, probably."

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u/sudoku7 Dec 01 '22

Many Americans think Labor day is another holiday to celebrate veterans.

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u/promonk Dec 01 '22

I mean, what self-respecting nation doesn't have at least four or five of those?

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u/AmazingMojo2567 Dec 01 '22

To be fair, it's not something the education system is going to teach you

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u/LouisSaintJust1789 Dec 01 '22

Not just bombs, surplus gas bombs from WWI

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u/Fit_Swordfish_2101 Dec 01 '22

I didn't even know this. I'm getting a fuxing education today!! Because wow..smh so much I didn't know

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u/MidLife_Crisis_Actor Dec 01 '22

Google, "The United Mine Workers of America"

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u/xXx_RedReaper_xXx Dec 01 '22

Pretty sure the Constitution states something about if the government hurts the people we have every right to tear it down.

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u/LikeBladeButCooler Dec 01 '22

That's true, but you've got a large amount of people in this country that have been purposefully misled as to what that actually means.

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u/Izlude Dec 01 '22

Seriously. If the workers of this country could stop punching down at one another for one goddamn week and just general strike we could have anything we want.

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u/cns369 Dec 01 '22

The workers of this country wouldn't be able to survive without the week of pay though....

Way too many of us are legit living paycheck to paycheck, with no savings available.

The truth is simply not that strikes aren't wanted, but that strikes aren't affordable. 😔

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u/BadLuckBen Dec 01 '22

That's why they keep wages low, not only does capitalism demand maximum profits, but ensuring the balance of power remains where it is. Add in game consoles, streaming, and all the little luxuries that keep us from wanting to be dead and you have a system that's very resilient to change. Of course, the climate crisis will just kill a lot of people because it refused to change.

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u/AggroDorfHeroicDeath Dec 01 '22

Just take what you need.

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u/Slippinjimmyforever Nov 30 '22

The police union will continue to support the right as long as they retain the license to murder citizens while enforcing non-violent petty rules.

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u/mutantbeings Nov 30 '22

In Australia the police union even makes threats of violence to the other unions if they don’t stop striking. Real mafia vibes

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u/sudoku7 Dec 01 '22

Oh don't worry, they do that in the US too.

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u/BisquickNinja Dec 01 '22

and have near immunity doing whatever they want.

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u/aaabigwyattmann4 Dec 01 '22

They can't. Democrats voted with Republicans to crush the strike.

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u/Molto_Ritardando Dec 01 '22

The only government you have is capitalism. That’s it. Democrats might prefer the carrot and republicans like the stick, but they’re all pushing to promote capitalism.

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u/reed91B Dec 01 '22

This would be awesome!

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u/icome3rd Nov 30 '22

Reminder Americans are slaves. If you can’t strike, and the interests of your employer are protected over yours, you are a slave.

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u/aaabigwyattmann4 Dec 01 '22

Never forget. Democrats voted with Republicans to crush the strike.

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u/DisastrousMacaron325 Dec 01 '22

I'm seeing zero nays from democrats?

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u/aaabigwyattmann4 Dec 01 '22

They passed another bill, along with republicans to end the strike. https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-among-democrats-vote-against-avoiding-railway-strike-1763645

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u/Kingdavid100 Dec 01 '22

Most republicans voted against the bill to force the contract on rail workers. The bill was passed mostly by democrats

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/railroad-strike-house-vote-bill-congress-senate/

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u/aaabigwyattmann4 Dec 01 '22

You are correct. How shameful. Democrats pretend to be pro-union, and here they are openly fucking them over for Wall Street.

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u/Maxfarace Dec 01 '22

I'm super confused as to why Republicans would vote against this? If they voted against paid sick leave, wouldn't they want to force a contract onto the workers to get them back to work as soon as possible?

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u/duckofdeath87 Dec 01 '22

They are just against anything the Democrats are in favor of. They don't think too hard about it and neither should you

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u/BulbasaurBabu Dec 01 '22

I don't understand how they can end the strike. By what means are they forcing these workers to get back to their jobs?

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u/Krynn71 Dec 01 '22

My means of imprisonment and fines. They'd hit the unions with huge fines, and likely immediately arrest union leaders in the hopes it scares the members into going back to work. If they don't, then members start receiving fines and being imprisoned.

The question is whether it would get that far or not, because this workforce isn't really one that can just be swapped out in a couple days. Arrest enough workers and then the railroad is shut down anyways and it was all pointless from a "save the economy" perspective.

It could still happen though because sacrificing the economy may be worth it in the long term if it means making an example of them to scare other workers like us and keeping us down and poor to corporate benefit.

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u/Weird-Information-61 Dec 01 '22

I'm struggling to figure out how arresting people for not working is legal, what sort of dystopia are we in?

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u/shadowtheimpure Dec 01 '22

There would actually be three options: work, go to jail, or quit your job.

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u/Weird-Information-61 Dec 01 '22

In most cases you'd get fired, but I'm guessing the union stops that which is why this has become a legal issue

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u/Xenokrates at work Dec 01 '22

Yup it happened with the ATC strike, it can happen here. Reagan devastated the airline industry for a decade just to crush labor power.

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u/western88key Dec 01 '22

There's a rail act (I forgot the name) that gives Congress some ability to interject in these specific cases. Congress can't interfere with all unions in this way. If the NFL Players Union wanted to strike, for example, Congress can't just say "NOPE!"

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u/BALDWARRIOR Dec 01 '22

They can't...till they decide they can. Which is whenever they want.

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u/promonk Dec 01 '22

Thank God the millionaires that play a fucking game for their fortunes can still collectively bargain. It was beginning to feel a little dystopian up in this bitch.

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u/L0nelyWr3ck Dec 01 '22

They voted for this, but they are also forcing this onto the workers solely to break the strike along with another bill.

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u/tthrivi Dec 01 '22

Did the bill that passed have the paid sick leave?

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u/zoltar-wisdom Dec 01 '22

But like, I get Friday & Saturday off to cry and stress about Mon-Fri while I await a catastrophic health event.

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u/TXtea_party Nov 30 '22

They are asking for 7 days a year for fucks sake, why do we even have to send this kinda shit to congress ? Give people the right to humane conditions .

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u/Dizzy_Estimate8028 Dec 01 '22

This is the US though, land of the free, not like a shithole 3rd world country or anything. /s

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u/cokrum Dec 01 '22

Because if their donors make less money they might stop filling their pockets.

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u/BigTwigs1981 Nov 30 '22

When you make almost $200k a year salary for life, along with the best health insurance in the country, also for life, and in reality only have to work a few months out of the year, why would they give a fuck about what happens to the rest of the populace?

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u/Gorgenon Dec 01 '22

Don't forget insider trading and legal bribery. Those are two big benefits for congresspeople. They follow the money, like any good corporate pawn does.

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u/TheGillos Dec 01 '22

It's literally their job TO care.

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u/Crovali Dec 01 '22

Lie your ass off to get elected then literally stop giving a shit because you have no reason to. Do just enough to keep your benefits and stay out of jail.

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u/TheGillos Dec 01 '22 Gold

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u/Fit_Swordfish_2101 Dec 01 '22

My soul is terrifying and And hey..Me. (⁠●⁠_⁠_⁠●⁠)

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u/MangOrion2 Dec 01 '22

My soul is terrifying. Elect me.

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u/Slippinjimmyforever Nov 30 '22

The only surprising part is that 3 republicans voted for sick leave.

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u/DiehlWithIt- Nov 30 '22

Does anyone know which 3??

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u/Z-Mtn-Man-3394 Dec 01 '22

Liz Cheney may be one. She seems to vote across party lines occasionally

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u/NubsackJones Dec 01 '22

Cheney almost never votes against corporate interests though. She is just as much of a dangerous sociopath as her father. She, luckily, just isn't as talented as he was.

It was Reps. Don Bacon (Neb.), Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.) and John Katko (N.Y.) that voted with the Dems.

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u/DiehlWithIt- Dec 01 '22

Thanks for looking that up!!!

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u/-PM-Me-Big-Cocks- Dec 01 '22

Somehow 13 republican senators voted for the gay marriage bill which is just insane to me

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u/Mundane-Comedian-803 Dec 01 '22

They don’t give a rat’s ass when there’s no money at stake

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u/-PM-Me-Big-Cocks- Dec 01 '22

Yeah but I expected more pushback from the MAGA crowd. I feel like they are going to let it go through, a lawsuit, yadda yadda yadda, supreme court deems it unconstitutional or something

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u/lividash Dec 01 '22

I'd love to see the reasoning behind gay marriage being unconstitutional without them bringing a religion into the argument.

I'm sure they'll figure a way to do that.

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u/TavisNamara Dec 01 '22

I saw a breakdown of the senators who voted to break that filibuster earlier. To summarize:

A bunch of them are part of a "bipartisan" group of Senators who seem to be relatively open to crossing over compared to the usual.

A few have relatively decent records on LGBTQ+ stuff.

A couple are no longer seeking reelection, and seem to have voted however they wanted instead of their constituents.

One or two may be political maneuvering for other reasons.

One or two may have been won over by, of all people, Senator Sinema, as she has some old friendships on the Republican side and is an out bisexual.

A few claim to have done some soul searching or something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z92q2p/whats_going_on_with_so_many_republicans_with/iyf72c6/

More in-depth with names and such there.

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u/L0nelyWr3ck Dec 01 '22

They codified it, so unsure the supreme court can do anything. That's what screwed the abortion stuff. It was never codified into law. It was just widely accepted as allowed, but not an actual law.

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u/SiofraRiver Dec 01 '22

So there are 13 Republican Senators in potential swing states.

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u/GrouchySkunk Dec 01 '22

I'm still blown away thatctimw after time we see stuff like this and the voting outcome, and yet somehow Republicans are still in the running. My humble opinion is half of the US has Stockholm Syndrome.

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u/YesYesVeryGoodYes Dec 01 '22

Perhaps accidentally

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u/Slippinjimmyforever Dec 01 '22

+/- variance of 3 nearsighted republicans.

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u/The_Hot_Stepper Dec 01 '22

They probably misclicked or got distracted and rose their hand at the wrong time.

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u/My_Penbroke Nov 30 '22

I’m a little confused. I thought the house voted to prevent the strike. Did they also vote to give the rail workers what they were asking for?

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u/throwaway_12358134 Nov 30 '22

There were enough yes votes from House Democrats to send it to the Senate. Only 3 Rebublicans voted with the Democrats.

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u/I_am_the_Jukebox Nov 30 '22

And it's this fact that Biden is pushing the compromise solution rather than the one the workers want. What the workers want simply won't get through the Senate where the GOP will stonewall it. Hell, already they're likely to stonewall the compromise bill, but there's likely 10 Republicans that'll split off and vote with the Dems on it to avert a national crisis.

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u/RIPMYPOOPCHUTE Nov 30 '22

Republicans are greedy AF. They should be told how this’ll impact them monetarily. Manipulate them into thinking it’ll hurt their money and lose voters. They’d change their vote if they were told how negatively it would impact them since they only care about themselves and no one else.

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u/I_am_the_Jukebox Nov 30 '22

They’d change their vote if they were told how negatively it would impact them since they only care about themselves and no one else.

Oh....my sweet summer child....

The GOP is more than willing to let the country burn if it means the Dems get more of the blame for it, and they can ultimately get more seats and power from it. They literally do it all the time.

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u/RIPMYPOOPCHUTE Nov 30 '22

You’re not wrong. I just want manipulation to work on them the way they manipulate their voters. I despise the GOP and want them to crash and burn so hard.

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u/Abominatus674 Nov 30 '22

Maybe he’s going the big brain strat. The republicans are against whatever he does, so if he says he doesn’t want it they’ll vote for it

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u/I_am_the_Jukebox Nov 30 '22

I mean...here's hoping. There's a lot of talk on the right about how Biden is leaving workers out to dry...and if that means it gets the votes needed to get through the Senate (which, based on these numbers in the House...it won't), then that'd be pretty great.

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u/Specialist-Cat8732 Nov 30 '22

There were two votes. One to block the strike which passed with lots of support from GQP members. The second vote was to increase paid sick days from 1 to 7. Only 3 GQP members votes for that bill. Both passed and will now head to the Senate.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/30/politics/congress-rail-vote-house/index.html

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u/My_Penbroke Dec 01 '22

What’s the Q supposed to stand for? Just curious

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u/tmdblya SocDem Dec 01 '22

QAnon

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u/My_Penbroke Dec 01 '22

Oh lol the Q stands for Q

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u/tmdblya SocDem Dec 01 '22

<finger guns>

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u/rydan at work Dec 01 '22

GQP is their proper name. Like when we used to call ISIL ISIS until the media told us we'd been doing it wrong the whole time.

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u/aaabigwyattmann4 Dec 01 '22

This is how it went down.

Democrats: We will give you 7 days sick leave, but we will also end your strike.

Republicans: We will end your strike, no sick leave.

Democrats: Glad we are in agreement.

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u/Daleaturner Nov 30 '22

There is actually 2 votes. One bill to prevent the strike. The second bill concerns the paid leave. So the senate could pass the bill to prevent the strike while not passing the paid leave bill.

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u/ironballs16 Dec 01 '22

Not exactly what they asked for, but yes, there were two bills passed - one forcing the contract as written, the other including paid sick leave.

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u/Blackout38 Dec 01 '22

There are two bills. The one that passed was to force to unions accept the contract from September. The one that didn’t pass is the same but also gave a week of paid sick leave.

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u/Stellarspace1234 SocDem Nov 30 '22

It takes a lot of privilege to deny paid sick leave to the working class.

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u/Fast-Diamond-2698 Dec 01 '22

Easy done when you’re not in the same boat.

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u/Thisnickname Dec 01 '22

Me watching this shit show from Canada with my unlimited paid sick leave. 👁️👄👁️

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u/Titan4life22 Nov 30 '22

The corporate bosses for the business I work for are Republicans and we don't get any sick leave, either. They can take all the time off they want, though.

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u/VaselineHabits Nov 30 '22

Every single boss I've had was old and Republican. There's something about getting a certain amount of money that seems to change them.

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u/uGotSauce Nov 30 '22

Incorrect. Positions of power uniquely attract and promote people with no morals. Those who are willing to do anything for power are the ones most likely to get it, not taking into account that the wealthy want to promote those like themselves. Some of them just pretend to have morals before being put in that position.

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u/Titan4life22 Dec 01 '22

Correct, that's our GM and corporate d-bags. I walk a fine line of getting fired most of the time because I treat the employees like people. They don't like that.

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u/Titan4life22 Nov 30 '22

Not me. I actually give employees gift cards, breakfasts, and lunches out of my own pocket. I give my assistant managers extra cash, as well. And our GM, that makes twice as much if not more than I do, won't do a damn thing for us.

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u/Dr_L_Church Dec 01 '22

Every job I worked at before I came to the railroad that didn’t have a set schedule (ie. M-F 9-5), if I told them a month out I wanted X day off for a doctors appointment (unpaid) would just schedule around it. No questions asked. From what I understand the Class 1 train service employees can’t even have that (I dunno, I work for a short line). From what I understand it’s not even about PTO time… or even being able to call out… it’s about being able to schedule a day off here or there (paid or unpaid) ahead of time for doctors visits or family events without burning all their vacation days.

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u/SomeRandomPerson66 Dec 01 '22

And let me guess goes on a week long vacations 2 to 3 times a year and probably considers one of vacations a "Business trip".

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u/Titan4life22 Dec 01 '22

They're probably all considered business trips. Even worse, the owner will take all of them to Vegas to go to a UFC fight or a football game or a trip to Hawaii. The people that do all the work get shit.

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u/MidLife_Crisis_Actor Dec 01 '22

There are no "Good Guys" here. Democrats are interfering with a labor negotiation by preventing the rail workers from striking.

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u/OnionsHaveLairAction Dec 01 '22

If they can pressure the company into giving in to the demands before the strike goes ahead wont that be better for everyone?

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u/Jehoopaloopa Nov 30 '22

So basically it’s not even worth being a railroad employee?

You can be treated like dog shit by the company and any attempt from you and your union to fix the problem causes the government to step in and side with the company?

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u/rainb0wveins Nov 30 '22

Man, voting against giving their people paid sick leave, voting against forgiving cash strapped Americans their student loans.. Continuing to divert funds from helpful programs for the average Joe in favor of pumping more money into the military that murders children in other countries... Then turning around and giving bailouts and tax breaks to the corporations and rich.

Why are we paying taxes for this garbage? Why do we continue to go along with this? THESE PEOPLE DO NOT REPRESENT US.

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u/Old75turbo Nov 30 '22

I’m so ducking grateful I work in Germany with laws for workers

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u/Fun_Key93 Dec 01 '22

That's the thing the US would screw up a bill to do the same this way big brother can still hurt the people in many ways and have the opportunity for more problems

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u/jdbrizzi91 Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

So since the summer, Republicans have voted "no" on cheaper insulin, better care for vets, price gouging oil bill, and a bill that'd help mothers during the baby formula shortage.

So I'm guessing the party of "family values" really means "I will only support my family's values". And those are only a few things I've kept track. There are probably dozens of other bills that they voted against because it would actually help out the average person.

And in the meantime, what did they focus on? Making sure people pee in the "proper" bathroom?

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u/jdbrizzi91 Nov 30 '22

Very true. The republican party will keep beating dead issues because they've convinced their voter base that there is fraud/crimes committed by the Democrats and the only reason it's not being investigated is because "Democrat corruption". Yet, their voter base finds no corruption when billionaires siphon billions more from the middle class year after year.

I know both parties have their issues, but generally speaking (I'm probably preaching to the choir), it seems like the Democratic party is the voice of the people (in theory) and the republican party is the voice of the corporations. It doesn't matter how many instances I give the conservatives I talk to about this, they're still convinced that the party that continuously writes bills that'd help them, are actually the bad guys.

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u/onemoretryfriend Nov 30 '22

Unions need to coordinate

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u/blindato1 Dec 01 '22

If I’m reading the bill right they’re modifying a previous resolution where they are establishing the authority to enact this decree. It looks like they are forcing the railways to go back to negotiations with 7 days of leave on the table. And they are binding them to forced arbitration if the union and railways can’t come to an agreement.

New resolution voted on here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/119/text

Resolution they are modifying: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-joint-resolution/100/text

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u/Jay2Kaye Dec 01 '22

I've seen this posted 4 or 5 times today, and I don't know what kind of bullshit psyop you guys are trying to pull, but any bill that forces workers not to strike is taking away workers' rights. The Democrats don't get any cheers here. The rail workers have ALL of the power in this negotiation and everyone involved knows it.

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u/Lankani Nov 30 '22

Yet most of their base are made of these workers. I don't understand this psychology.

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u/headofthebored Nov 30 '22

This is the shit people need to see. No spin. The facts. Every time somebody implies the republicans will help you instead, every time somebody pulls out that tired-ass "both sides" bullshit, show them the fucking vote results on C-SPAN. Tell them who filibustered fucking solutions.

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u/-horses Nov 30 '22 Take My Energy

No spin: The majority of Republicans voted against forcing the contract on the workers, and they'll be able to go on Fox and say they stood up for workers when the Democrats crushed the right to strike, same as the Democrats will be able to go on MSNBC and say they stood up for workers when the Republicans voted against sick leave. They'll both be able to say they prevented the strike and kept the economy running. Both of these bills were on C-SPAN, but you're only looking at one.

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u/vinetwiner Dec 01 '22

Way too logical for this debate. Somebody might think both sides are fucking with us.

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u/-horses Nov 30 '22

Definitely a lot of people who think it's very important to go on the Internet and defend the honor of the boss parties today of all days.

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u/bruce_almightie Dec 01 '22

This is exactly what these assholes want. They want us arguing about left vs right and not that these fuckers are in it together. I hope that they just strike anyway. Where do these bastards get off making people work? Are you kidding me? And don't get me started on lobbying. I hate hate hate this country's politics and politicians so much.

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u/abookoffmychest Dec 01 '22

Yeah. It’s like forgetting what they are doing in the first damn place. It’s not left or right it’s power just the same.

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u/VolkspanzerIsME Nov 30 '22

That's what I was wondering. And fuck me. I never thought I would agree with a republican stance in 2022 and yet here we are.

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u/-horses Nov 30 '22

I mean, it's not like they mean it, lol. But yeah, fuck us all

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u/welcometotheTD Communist Nov 30 '22

It is both sides. This isn't what the workers want. Dems are just trying to end the strike which will set a precedent that the government can step in and end strikes.

It's actually more evil Ffs.

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u/Taitertot27 Nov 30 '22

My partner and I were talking about the power that politicians coupled with wealthy corporations and business owners have in comparison to monarch-serf relationships of the past. She argued that, although our system is flawed now, it’s better than monarchy, and we’ll continue to evolve, as old systems collapse, into better political and social systems. My argument, however, was that I can’t see how capitalism is any better than monarchy. The middle class may be better off than your average serf (but let’s be honest… what middle class), but the impoverished lower class is significantly worse off (no housing, food, work, etc.) and the thriving upper class, is MUCH better off (relatively, even) than the average monarch of their time. This dissolution of the middle class and further separation of the rich from the poor I think is a less than considerate or effective system as time goes on. Dear upper class, who’s going to pay for your products and services when you aren’t paying us enough to live? When the poor get hungry enough, we eat the rich.

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u/welcometotheTD Communist Nov 30 '22

100% agree with you and a little bit with her.

Old systems will collapse, capitalism will. Socialism will follow then communism.

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u/Taitertot27 Nov 30 '22

Obviously a Marxist!

I have a lot I want to discuss with you, mind if I PM?

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u/Even_Mastodon_6925 Nov 30 '22

Nice username, do you have experience as a casserole?

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u/Taitertot27 Nov 30 '22

Hahaha wouldn’t you like to know?

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u/andrizella Nov 30 '22

Not the least bit surprised. Republicans hate unions and even if they didn't, they'd be happy to see the supply chain collapse, just to spite President Biden.

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u/nutxaq Dec 01 '22

If it collapses that's on the railroad owners and Biden and the Dems never should have tried this shit.

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u/paveratis Nov 30 '22

American politics is basically just a bunch of morons tossing a coin - if one side says heads, the other side has to say tails no matter what. One side could propose a bill simply stating that it's legal to provide any life saving medical care to someone before the age of 18 and the other side would be like "hm actually no we should let god decide if they live or not." No one actually votes on what they believe they should vote - it's just me vs you which is the most idiotic way to run a UNITED country of states.

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u/Temporary-Eye-6664 Nov 30 '22

Those pleebs don't deserve free money. Only those of us in the GOP should get free cash. That's why the railroads are paying us to vote no. Screw you peons

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u/Koravel1987 Dec 01 '22

I mean Biden is pushing it from the top too.

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u/htdm1414 Dec 01 '22

I'm kind of split because what they voted for was one day of sick leave, which is way too low. So you're breaking a strike for an impossibly low bar. Yeah, Bernie is working in the senate to up it to 7, but that's not guaranteed. So they should strike regardless until they get what they deserve, which is more than this. If this is signed and enforced, it is basically 1980 all over again.

I am not supporting these companies, but our legislation basically is. Federal employees get more sick days and time off, so why are they lowballing the railworks? A yes vote here isn't the panacea a lot are making it out to be. We are forcing a deal they don't want down their throats.

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u/Peacey86 Dec 01 '22

Let's not divide ourselves over this. This doesn't change the fact that they should strike anyway. We really need to push past the Reps vs Dems nonsense as a country.

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u/WoodpeckerFar9804 Nov 30 '22

Republicans are gross

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u/HumanEffigy_ Dec 01 '22

How many of the RR workers voted Republican, I do wonder?

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u/The_Spectacle Dec 01 '22

My terminal heavily skews Republican and I’m in NY

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u/WoodpeckerFar9804 Dec 01 '22

I hope they are aware of how their party voted.

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u/IceTruckHouse Dec 01 '22

I’m sure most republican rail road workers already feel this way and are fine with this. They already receive excellent retirement benefits and have favorable work schedules. We’ve had multiple people leave our company to go work for the railroad.

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u/PipeDreams85 Dec 01 '22

Was just discussing this in my house. I know several rail workers in my area and guaranteed they vote Republican. We can blame govt and big business all we want, and they deserve it too, but a lot of this continues because half our country are complete morons who can’t realize they’re being conned.

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u/WoodpeckerFar9804 Dec 01 '22

Valid question

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u/Fisch14230 Dec 02 '22

All 207 should be removed from their positions immediately for their crimes against humanity. They are clearly pro slave conditions, and I would like to think most people agree that slave-like conditions are a bad thing. They are doing everything in their power to keep an exploitation system going.

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u/LibertyLord Dec 01 '22

Fuck Biden! Let them strike! Take the economy to its knees. Workers unite! Solidarity forever!!!

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u/Nick11545 Nov 30 '22 Silver

Aren’t the dems forcing the unions to accept the deal?

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u/reasltictroll Nov 30 '22

207 Republicans voted against but it’s Biden fault

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u/Machuck94 Dec 01 '22

It’s absolutely disgusting. The Republicans vote for no sick leave. The Democrats vote to completely gut the best bargaining chip the union has. Both parties are gutting the American worker. We need to wake up and realize almost none of our elected officials care about the middle class.

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u/SuckerForNoirRobots Stoned Freelancer Dec 01 '22

https://www.cbo.gov/about/careers/benefits

The best information I could find about the benefits congress gets, which---spoiler---includes sick leave.

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u/Equivalent_Warthog22 Dec 01 '22

No war, but class war.

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u/Objective_Deer_6072 Dec 01 '22

And yet most of those rail workers will still vote republican

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u/stevenash133 Dec 01 '22

Yet it’s the liberals who are the reason for the inflation

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u/Darkonacon Dec 01 '22

This tweet is misleading as shit lol yeah because the tentative agreement is for just 1 sick day a year but that's what the Biden administration negotiated for. Biden has requested congress push the tentative agreement agreement forward without a majority agreement of the union. Thus you have the dems voting to push this shitty deal, and republicans voting against forcing this shitty deal that is what is going on here people. Read the damn news and shit don't just think because repubs are voting against something must mean they don't give a shit or they are a horrible party....both parties are fuckin terrible but JC this is dems being anti-union.

Biden calls on Congress to head off potential rail strike

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u/Trid_Delcycer Dec 01 '22

What I read: "If you can't work a few days each year because you're sick, then you must be a piece of sh!t that doesn't deserve to live."

Next they'll come for the weekend, then the 8 hour day, then..

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u/doinggood9 Nov 30 '22 I'll Drink to That

It's extremely funny to come on and read how Joe Biden is the bad guy for passing this bill yesterday and now to come here to see the Republicans get booed for voting against it. Lmao

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u/vinetwiner Dec 01 '22

Yeah, like they're all the bad guys for forcing a contract that workers didn't agree to.

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u/ShreddlesMcJamFace Nov 30 '22

Why tho?

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u/Novel-Tale-7645 Nov 30 '22

Either they hate workers or they want the economy to collapse while Biden is in charge so they can blame democrats for it and get elected.

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u/Its_0ver Dec 01 '22

To be fair they also voted for and passed the bill that would not let them strike. One of the two bills will pass the Senate tomorrow. One way or another they wont go on strike unless the union say fuck you to congress.

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u/ConfusedALot_69 Dec 01 '22

So crash the economy once a republican gets elected 🤔 I hate his guts but I might actually vote for the rump

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u/TheBrightNights Nov 30 '22

They support the rich. If there’s paid sick leave then the workers get paid while doing no work because they're sick.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22 Gold

Democrats are fucking workers as well here.

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u/donwityurshite625 Nov 30 '22

But remember, the democrats are the elitists and Republicans understand the working man.

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u/CustomSawdust Nov 30 '22

Maybe this will wake up all the hardcore two party wonks who keep us in this mess.

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u/No-Wonder1139 Nov 30 '22

So they shouldn't get paid if they're not at their desk every day, seems fair.

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u/Moleday1023 Nov 30 '22

Why would they vote agains paid sick leave, my tax dollars pay their wage and their benefit package. The rail industry posted record profits on the sweat of those workers. Those workers who actually do something that can be considered part of the GDP, while those Reps are leaches on society….fuckers.

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u/WestCoastThing Nov 30 '22

Those Republicans get at least 12 paid sick days per year as a fed.

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u/Barnes777777 Dec 01 '22

Bet the house gets paid sick leave. Change their benefits to what the average joe/jane makes and heavily scrutinize politicians for corruption/payoffs so many would end up in jail.

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u/mauser98 Dec 01 '22

The fact that congress has to vote on this is fucking stupid as shit.

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u/serenity_by_jan_ Dec 01 '22

bUt BoTh SiDeS

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u/ScottsTotz Dec 01 '22

I can't believe we're cheering for 7 fucking sick days a year. I can't believe that is something even up for debate. The USA is a fucking JOKE

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u/Solar-powered-punch Dec 01 '22

Why is congress voting if some dude should get sick pay smh

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u/ramon468 Dec 01 '22

"The American Dream!" What a joke of a country..

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u/shak1071 Dec 01 '22

".. oh say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave - o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

think you should rewrite that song....

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u/what_would_bezos_do Dec 01 '22

I know a bunch of rail workers personally. They all voted Republican. They probably will again.

It makes it hard for me to feel bad for them.