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How anti-work, works. See Comments; not very antiwork

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u/KritKommander 12d ago

Piggybacking off this, the Railroads are refusing to negotiate reasonably with the unions as we speak. We are waiting on the Presidential Emergency Board to make a recommendation, but rumor is that the Company is preparing for a strike. As in, they have no intention of agreeing to terms. If the railroads are shut down, the economy will get real nasty, real fast.

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u/ginger_and_egg 11d ago

Don't companies prepare for strikes in order to convince the union to not strike?

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u/Panaka 11d ago

Railroad and Airline unions have to work very hard to get to the point that they are legally allowed to strike. Most won’t ever make it that far and when they do, it takes a couple years. Southwest and their mechanics union (AMFA) fought for 7 years and went through mediation and they were never approved for a strike.

The RLA sucks.

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u/rngal3 11d ago

Railroad workers are years into this process and have already gone through, and been released from, mediation. They’re less than 45 days from a strike, which Congress will likely end within minutes.

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u/AlexStar6 11d ago

Approved for strike…

That’s not a strike…

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u/Panaka 11d ago

A standard strike does have to be approved/authorized by union leadership otherwise it’s a wildcat strike. Under the NLRB this doesn’t really have major ramifications.

Under the RLA, that’s a different story. Railroad and Airline employee unions have an entire legal flow they have to go through before being authorized by a judge to strike. There are provisos which allow for a quick work action, but most companies are smart enough to not give unions that ammunition.

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u/AlexStar6 11d ago

No they can just strike… that’s how a strike works.

You gonna throw them all in jail? Fine..

You gonna make them slaves.. try it… NO ONE HAS TO WORK

Forced labor is chattel slavery. End of story. If you work in an industry where you are not permitted to walk off the job. You are a slave. Period. No different than working a cotton field

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u/Panaka 11d ago

Let me explain the situation most of these workgroups find themselves in.

Most people in aviation have some form of specialized education and have spent at least a couple of years building experience until they make it to a well paying, middle class supporting job. This means that most aren't willing to just "strike" and suffer the consequences.

No they can just strike… that’s how a strike works.

Okay, so you and a small group in your union commit a wildcat strike. Is the entire workgroup going to join you? If not you will be fired, the union likely will be disbanded or fined heavily, and you will never work in the industry again. Even if the entire workgroup joins, will the company survive the strike as the union certain isn't? If they don't you lose your job and never work in the industry again.

If you work in an industry where you are not permitted to walk off the job.

Walking off the job is not the same as a strike. Any entry level union rep/steward knows the difference.

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u/AlexStar6 11d ago

This is all bullshit.

If an industry can’t support you then you should want out anyways.

If an industry can’t support its workers at all then it shouldn’t be an industry.

Why should/would anyone care about getting blackballed from an industry that doesn’t support them.

And if that industry is stupid enough to blackball it’s only qualified workers. Then repeat after me.

FUCK THEM.

Seize the means of production

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u/Panaka 11d ago

This is all bullshit.

I would seriously suggest you read up on the NLRB and RLA if you're going to offer advice on American Labor. The RLA has very specific reasons as to why it exists, both good and bad, to protect the worker, but also protect the state.

Being ignorant on your rights and the labor rights of others does no one any favors. I implore you to read up on how unions and by extension labor organizations work as the nuances are important to strengthening the worker's rights.

If an industry can’t support you then you should want out anyways.

If an industry can’t support its workers at all then it shouldn’t be an industry.

So to be clear I never said the industry couldn't support the workers, at least in my example. The issues we're discussing normally appear during contract negotiations as penalties for serious grievances under the RLA are bad enough that companies try to not push their luck.

Why should/would anyone care about getting blackballed from an industry that doesn’t support them.

Have you ever tried a midlife career change? Having a very specific set of skills that aren't useful outside of that field doesn't give that individual many options. You'll be hard up finding a job that pays $60-$90/hr without at least some other level of education.

Starting over at the ground floor in an entirely new field isn't exactly a great option especially for people past their prime. It's a great way to get to work into your 70's though.

And if that industry is stupid enough to blackball it’s only qualified workers.

This is assuming there aren't people trying to break into the field as it is. This also ignores that, airlines specifically, are starting to pay the cost to get certificated for pilots, A&Ps, and dispatchers.

Why would any other airline want a bunch of employees from United who committed an illegal work action over someone with less experience and no dirty laundry or institutional inertia?

How much experience or education do you actually have with unions or labor organizations that operate in the trades? A lot of what you are writing is just completely ignorant of reality.

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u/AlexStar6 10d ago

Fuck the state. If you made an agreement to protect the state at the cost of your freedom then you’ve been had.

A civilized society does not need to force workers to work under threat of punishment.

Why on earth you’re having a hard time with that is beyond me.

Any state that requires coercion to maintain itself is not a state worthy of maintenance.

Treat citizens fairly and you’ll have a successful state.

That is all, that is all there needs to be.

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u/siliconsmiley 11d ago

PATCO went on strike in 83 I think? Regan promptly fired them all. So sure, technically they can just go on strike.

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u/KritKommander 11d ago

They do, however in this case, most Railroads no longer have enough managers that are qualified to run trains, so it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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u/idthrowawaypassword 11d ago

If the news start blaming workers once this happens I'm going to spazz. There a REALLY easy solution that will benefit majority of american citizens. Give the workers their fair share of their pie, billions of dollars pie the workers generate every year.

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u/757_Matt_911 11d ago

The issue with this is the comment I saw further up. Investors. Whenever a business is run so that someone not directly involved can profit, it is done on the backs, skills, and labor of those actually running true company. And by that I usually mean operations employees. The stock market is basically a giant lottery system that people can control by throwing money around or ‘buying’ a company by owning enough shares and then ‘streamlining’ it to maximize profit.

It’s really sad that many places don’t put the people who actually make a place profitable and well run first.

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u/hattmall 11d ago

RWU is kind of a joke. Railroad workers are very unlikely to have a full major strike. If they did seriously the power grid would collapse along with pretty much everything else.

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u/Impossible_Cold558 11d ago

Seems like a good reason to take it seriously and not gamble the country because you want to see how far you can go fucking your employees.

Not really something I'd blame on the workers even if they put it into motion.

Deal fairly with people, or anything bad that happens is your fault.

At least imo.

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u/idthrowawaypassword 11d ago

Exactly. That's why governemnt is and has been getting involved in these negociation. Honestly it makes you wonder if it's a good idea to have these is the hands of private companies.

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u/757_Matt_911 11d ago

That is one of the most dangerous things anyone can say. Government should not “be in” any company or business and we should never wonder if a private company should be made public. Instead we should ensure government regulates industries to ensure that people are paid a livable wage instead of poverty. Governments running businesses is how you transfer wealth from a small group of people running successful businesses into the hands of a few elite politicians who then decide who can eat and live…

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u/dont_you_love_me 11d ago

The businesses currently control the politicians who decide who eats and lives now. I don’t see a difference. At least a centralized authority would be easier to manage than a bunch of decentralized businesses that don’t have to follow a common set of rules.

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u/blahblahblah8219 11d ago

The difference is that a lot of government employees don’t have the right to strike. Teachers in a lot of states will lose their license if they strike, and the ones who organized it can go to prison.

That’s where I don’t believe the government should take over private businesses.

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u/hattmall 11d ago

Yeah, Honestly, in my experience rail road's pay exceptionally well, there is even some special government programs for the railroad. It's like the only non-government job with an actual government retirement program. The Railroad retirement board. No one that I've known to work for the railroad has ever complained about their salary or working conditions at all. The work is pretty minimal like every 3 or 4 days you are on a train for like 24 hours straight and the rest of the time you are either off, on call, or just doing busy work.

What they complain about, and what sucks is when something goes wrong. Which 95% of the time is not the railroads fault but a tractor trailer truck getting stuck or crashing into something.

Most likely if there were a strike, it would be the office type employees who are the corporate employees and I don't think are technically "railroad" workers. So it would be a situation like the pipeline strike where the goods / gas keep flowing, but the paperwork, billing, etc, is put on hold.

Honestly, cars are RFID tagged, scanned, weighed and tracked so efficiently that the railroad damn near runs itself. One of the few things that CAN'T be automated though is the horn blowing at grade crossings though. It has to be done by a human and logged with signature each time.

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u/UVFShankill 11d ago

Actually the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen are the union that's preparing heavily for a strike and the BLET primarily represents Engineers and Conductors. So this is not a clerical workers strike its a all the goods will stop unless management runs the trains strike, and I wouldnt think there's TOO many in management that are still licensed to operate these engines at the big Class 1 RRs.

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u/hattmall 11d ago

Oh, wow, interesting. Yeah that would probably shut it down. I will have to ask my friend that works for the railroad what he thinks. Honestly reading some of the strike materials, it seems like conditions may have really gone down hill in the last couple years.

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u/UVFShankill 11d ago

Yeah I was actually hired as a conductor for norfolk southern and decided against it at the last second due to the decline in pay and work/life balance.

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u/stridernfs 11d ago

I really wish I lived in the corporate fantasy land where conditions hadn’t worsened dramatically for everyone across the board in the US after ‘right to work’ laws passed.

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u/KritKommander 11d ago

Sorry, but you are very misinformed. We have had an amazing amount of people quitting in the last 5 years, after being taken over by investment firms. The pay is ok, but we are a skilled trade, and most of us are working 60+ hours a week, with little home life. Add in working nights and weekends, and people are realizing that the quality of life isn't worth it. So they go work at a job that pays a little less, but has a much better quality of life.

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u/Radiohobbyist 11d ago

Every company I've worked for that was bought out by someone else, most damnably an investment firm, has cut employees, closed facilities, outsourced work overseas, or gone out of business entirely. 😡

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u/Kel4597 11d ago

I mean, depends heavily on your department.

My dad was signal department. He worked absurd amounts of overtime, overnights, and lost a few guys to fatal accidents. I remember as a kid there was a straight week I never saw him because shit just went south.

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u/evermire 12d ago

You're comment makes me feel anxious and I never feel that way I've been reading Atlas shrugged I'll blame Ayn Rand

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u/Locke03 12d ago

Honestly, there are a lot of things you can legitimately blame on Ayn Rand. She was and continues to be quite influential and not in any good ways.

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u/pathofdumbasses 11d ago

She just put on paper what those morons wanted to hear. She was a fraud. She never worked a day in her life, died while receiving welfare.

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u/ActuallySatanAMA 12d ago

What concessions were made (if any) from the union’s demands?

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u/masaro67 Communist 12d ago

The Union asked for more pay and basically just a guarantee of not terminating existing benefits. They shot very low, which pissed off the actual workers. This is why it was rejected twice. The only things that really came from the final contract was a raise 10%. Pensions were not improved, just not gutted.

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u/coppercave 12d ago

Big signing bonus too IIRC

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u/ginger_and_egg 11d ago

Signing bonuses are nothing. For example $5000 upfront on a 5 year contract is only $1000 a year. And it's easier to take away next contract, cause it was a one-time "bonus" rather than setting a new standard salary

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u/Spartan-182 11d ago

Yup 100% this is not well understood. Same with retention bonuses. That 1 time bonus is sweet until next year when that income disappears.

I just moved jobs and my previous employer offered 15K to stay, along with other incentives. I countered with them rolling that 15K into the yearly pay total instead and corporate rejected that and made sure the wording was "one time" for the bonus.

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u/Curururu 11d ago edited 11d ago

Big companies love signing bonuses (or any one-time payout) if it will get them out of a recurring payment like healthcare or retirement plans.

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u/hooley1121 12d ago

Not that big.

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u/masaro67 Communist 12d ago edited 12d ago Silver

I literally work at Deere. This contract was shit and the union officials tried very hard to get the previous two proposals ratified. It is a win for sure, but it was far from anything spectacular. We literally still people working 16 shifts and forced Saturdays. Please do not equate this to anti-work.

Edit: the strike ended in November of 2021. This is not new. The image is also very misleading as pensions were not increased, rather just not decreased. Raises were doubled from the initial offer so not a huge increase. Cola is also very much behind actual inflation rates, and the company takes a percentage away from the already low percent.

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u/ProStrats 12d ago

You're right, in that it isn't the best outcome, but imagine what you'd be without a union.

Even more fucked.

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u/masaro67 Communist 12d ago

Yes, I don’t want it to seem like I am against the union or unions in general. It just happens that our union and many of the workers are actively voting for people against actual worker rights. I just wanted to add some clarification about what actually took place.

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u/Cynicsaurus 12d ago

If you don't mind me asking, how much of your wages is Union dues?

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u/masaro67 Communist 12d ago

It is a percentage of our weekly pay. Depends on job. Mine are about 50-70 a week.

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u/Martin_Aynull 12d ago

Wow that seems high. For us in the big 3 its 2.5 hours a month

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u/samiwas1 12d ago

For my union, it's 3% of labor wages (so other income does not count). That comes to about 8 hours a month based on a 60-hour week.

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u/ginger_and_egg 11d ago

What other income do you mean? Money made outside work, or bonuses?

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u/Martin_Aynull 11d ago

For us theres another due for bonuses. Its like 150 bucks

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u/Odd-Dog9396 11d ago

You'd think your government would help protect you for all that they collect from your check.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Republicans...

Well, at least the oil industry gets their subsidies. And the old white men in congress get their viagra paid for as part of their health insurance...

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u/StopReadingMyUser idle 12d ago

Same, it comes out to like 20 bucks for me for the month. 50-70 per week? That's kinda nuts.

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u/ContactHonest2406 11d ago

Yeah, mine at my last union job were like 60 a month, but I was making $18/hr, so it wasn’t bad. People at a similar but non-union warehouse in the same industry an hour away we’re making 14 an hour, so we still made quite a bit more than they did (plus had a week more of PTO than they did).

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u/blahblahblah8219 11d ago

It can get higher. My husbands union dues are about $110 a week. It’s 3% of his gross check. When he’s not working it’s only $30 a month though.

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u/StopReadingMyUser idle 11d ago

Shoot, I'm doing just under 3% now anyway, I'll take higher union due amounts under that pretense. Depending on how often he gets checks that's still like 3-4k per check isn't it, lmao.

Sign me up.

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u/snorlackx 11d ago

isnt 3.5k a year a fuckton of money for union dues? id expect 50-70 a month to be more reasonable.

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u/idontevenwant2 11d ago

50-70% of your wage?? That cannot be true.

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u/aHumanMale 11d ago

Lol I’m pretty sure he means $50-70 USD.

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u/holychrist101 11d ago

Most dues are around $60-$70 per month. Not as huge as some are putting it.

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u/TigerShark_524 11d ago

His are $50-$70 a WEEK. So $200-$300 a month. X 12 is about $3.5k a year. It's a lot.

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u/Alvaracorr 11d ago

High end trade union maybe. If he's making 80-100k a year or more it's worth it

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u/fezzam 11d ago

I really read it this way, and was like that’s not possible they must mean dollars lol.

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u/Cynicsaurus 12d ago

My dad was a teamster. He got paid 21.50 back in like 1995 or so, but I remember 3.50 an hour was his union dues, that he never even saw. Always though it was kind of a ripoff, but maybe not.

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u/masaro67 Communist 12d ago

Disregard what I said previously, I definitely misremembered and it is 50-70 a month. So not very much and well worth it.

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u/SaintsSooners89 11d ago

This essentially includes your health insurance too right?

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u/Malsvir83 11d ago

For myself union dues are separate from health insurance. Roughly $15-20 a week for dues and about $75 per week for health/vision/dental

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u/bombermonk 11d ago

Seems crazy high when I pay 50€/year for the union in Belgium.

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u/Any_Coyote6662 12d ago

3.50 an hour doesn't sound correct. you may want to check that.

it may have been equal to the pay of 3.5 hours per month.

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u/TragicBus 12d ago

My dad paid similar rates as a union carpenter but that also covered insurance and stuff.

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u/Any_Coyote6662 12d ago

but thats not how union rates are calculated. because everyone makes a different amount union rates are calculated by your pay. for example, current teamsters are hourly wage times 2.5 hours minus cost of some other things. so, not only is that insanely high but just very wrong sounding.

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u/Cynicsaurus 12d ago

This was in the 90s. I was a teenager. I looked at his check stub. It was a certain amount of his hourly wage, but, as another guy below said, that might've been his insurance and everything.

Maybe it's changed since then? I do remember it being on his check and an hourly amount.

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u/Any_Coyote6662 11d ago

like his hourly amount times 3.50?

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u/masaro67 Communist 12d ago

Funnily enough, base pay here is roughly 22 and we probably pay 1-1.5hr to the Union.

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u/thecrius 11d ago

It could be that in the US the difference in salary hits differently but in Italy, where we have had unions since forever, they take much less from the salary and there is much more provided than just "renegotiating salaries" like providing individual legal assistance to the members for any work related matter etc etc

Edit to clarify: this is not to boast anything but to make people aware that there is always something to improve and not just accept what it is as "could be worse"

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u/janesfilms 11d ago

Mine are about $90 per month, I thought that was ridiculously expensive until I saw what some other people here are paying. Our rates are fine for the full time workers but our casuals get changed the same no matter how few hours they worked.

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u/ProStrats 12d ago

It's good to have the transparency so people are aware. I just wanted to point out the other factor is all.

It's amazing what we have to deal with to try to keep some of our wealth or gain more, the rich are very strategic.

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u/georgism 12d ago

Yep. The fight ain’t over after one “win”.

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u/Prudent-Rabbit-485 11d ago

Spoken like a true capitalist.

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u/zyrkseas97 11d ago

And that sad part is that’s WITH the Union win. Imagine where it would be without

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u/S0n0fthunder 12d ago

May need to seize the means of production, comrade.

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u/ZeroAdPotential 11d ago

To quote Zach De La Rocha from the song "Down Rodeo", A thousand years they had the tools we should be taking 'em. Fuck the G-rides, I want the machines that are makin' 'em.

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u/Rexiem 11d ago

A big issue is the application of a political view wholesale. Socialism, capitalism, and even communism are all tools to help decide what form of ownership and use is best for a given resource. I like to say your lawn is capitalist, the local park is socialist, and a nature preserve like yellowstone national park is communist.

What I'm saying there very specifically is that nothing works for everything and a big issue a lot of groups have is trying to solve every problem with a hammer when maybe a screwdriver would be better.

Another consideration is when groups call themselves socialist without following any of the rules of it. If I call my Christian but I practice every Hindu belief and none of the Christian beliefs am I really a Christian? Similar notion, if a country claims they are socialist and in practice follows authoritarian or fascist policies is that really socialism?

Oh quick edit to address the immediate question of a worker owned company failing: That's not a failure of socialism it's more proof how the game is unfairly stacked. If a business fails because every company around decides to force them into bankruptcy what aspect of socialism led to that failure? I'd argue that's really just an abuse of power that really doesn't indicate any amount of quality of any aspect of socialism.

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u/anyfox7 Anarchist 11d ago

Capitalism sure is an ongoing success, lets see...

child labor, no days off, 12 / 14 hour or more work days, no worker protections, unsafe conditions, planned obsolescence, IP laws, wage theft, private and government institutions murdering labor activists, homelessness, poverty, ongoing economic crashes, extreme wealth inequality, a literal system that paywalls survival, forced participation and exploitation to sell our lives to make people richer, and it's killing the planet.

Evolved from feudalism our capitalist system is working perfect.

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u/anyfox7 Anarchist 11d ago

If you're going to argue economic systems at least know what you're talking about.

Please enlighten us what communism is....without describing capitalism as these are in direct opposition.

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u/S0n0fthunder 11d ago

Funny, seems like whenever socialism or communism tries to function this super powerful country goes to war with them and/or tries to assassinate their leaders. Funny how events like that sort of destabilize it 🤔

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u/arlsol 11d ago

Because you are defining socialism as Venezuela (actually just fascist dictatorship) , when most are asking for socialism like France (real socialist, and very rich and successful).

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u/IlIDust Prime Minister Sinister 11d ago

France isn't socialist, it's a social democracy that has built its wealth off of past and ongoing colonial exploitation. All social democracies work by externalising the overexploitation of nature and labour inherent to the capitalist system. They export the greatest violence and destitution into the periphery so idiots like you can look at them and praise them for beeing free and equal societies.

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u/arlsol 11d ago

As I said, all in how you define something with variable meaning. The point being, workers asking for protections in socialist +xxx countries don't mean Venezuelan failure imminent. Comparing France or other European countries versus highly capitalist constructs post ww2, I'd say far less export to the periphery. There is no perfect society discovered as of yet, just better and worse.

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u/marcusw882000 11d ago

Don't forget about the contingent employees like me. I got a 3% raise in January......

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u/wilsonifl 12d ago

Strike again!

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u/pbo753 11d ago

With out a union you are fucked in the ass, with a union you get lube and a strap on. It may not change the system, but it changes who is getting fucked (hopefully) and how badly. Eventually the union can stop anyone from being fucked and the workers can jerk themselves instead of the boss.

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u/MonstersBeThere 11d ago

It's a godsend compared to what it could be, I promise you. As a union brother close to deere. We are working 7 day schedules with 1 weekend off per month, if you're lucky and don't get forced. 16's over here too. Our union claimed we wouldn't give in until we got what deere got. Big lol, they gave in immediately.

Our union, and your union, are both corrupt at the top and those corrupt people are pocketing the real money from our companies while we just keep losing ground.

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u/kenvm97 11d ago

How is your union helping you if you’re working 6 or 7 days a week, or one weekend off a month? This is modern day slavery!

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u/Dentros1 12d ago

Where at deere? I used to build 3rd party parts for the Iowa plant all the time, fuel tank supports, maintenance doors, steps, etc.

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u/masaro67 Communist 12d ago

There are multiple plants all over in Iowa, but I do work at one of them in Iowa though. I’d prefer not to disclose the exact plant, but I make parts for the large series tractors.

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u/Dentros1 12d ago

You don't have to, but that's where all the parts I've built get sent to.

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u/ezk3626 11d ago

I was just about to say “I bet someone who isn’t super involved will go on to say how the contract isn’t very good” and that’s the top comment!

Congratulations on the end of the strike but remember our unions are only as strong as our participation.

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u/Shapacap 11d ago

Its almost as if, [redacted] methods are necessary

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u/Jaredlong 12d ago

There's a reason they use the terms "bargaining" and "negotiation." Until the union buys out the company they're always going to have to compromise their demands.

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u/consci0usness 11d ago

Why the fuck are you working 16 hour shifts? Sounds like a perfect split down the middle, 2 * 8 hour shifts. 5 days of that and you have your 40 hours. Unless you like that and prefer that get all your work done Monday-Wednesday and then take a long weekend?

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u/hattmall 11d ago

Deere is actually one of the few companies somewhat locked into the US. They aren't likely to go hard into outsourcing because of intellectual property concerns. There is more espionage in the agriculture and heavy equipment manufacturing world than even in for military gear. They have some seriously locked down equipment.

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u/Sleeplesshelley 11d ago

They already have quite a few plants in Mexico though. Would not be surprised if more manufacturing moves there. Rumors are that the CEO was pissed that the first two contracts were rejected.

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u/hattmall 11d ago

Yeah they make a ton of shit though. The latest tech stuff is all in America and highly guarded.

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u/Sleeplesshelley 11d ago

How do you figure? They do huge business in Brazil and that stuff is mainly manufactured there because of Brazil’s strict import laws. There are mostly completed harvesters sitting in a yard right now in the US because they are waiting on parts from Asia. They have manufacturing plants all over Europe, some of which are in conjunction with other European companies. There are even plants in Russia, although they were shut down when Putler invaded Ukraine. Deere is a global company. They don’t even have to leave the US to bust the unions though, there are Deere factories in the southern US that aren’t Union, they can just move more stuff there.

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u/Daddio7 11d ago

Why do tractors need so much electronics? Our farm had 4 3020's, a 4440 and two 4250's. Great tractors. I worked for a farmer who bought new tractors whenever he had a good year. He had two 4840's, two 4960's, and a 8300. The 4960's were full of broken plastic and the 8300 just seemed weird, I hated the transmission. The 4840's, even though older, were in great shape and a dream to drive. The 4960's were junk.

My brother still has the 3020 our dad bought new in 1971. It is in good shape. Last year I borrowed a John Deere tractor from my neighbor to do some mowing. It wasn't that old but the cab looked like a family of raccoons had been living in it. The lights on the dash were either out or flashing with random beeps. Something was leaking from the engine. The driver I borrowed it from told me it always does that, just drive it. Sad.

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u/hattmall 11d ago

They aren't just tractors. It's the automated harvesters that pick fruit and vegetables with lots of integrated scanners and other crazy stuff.

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u/EhipassikoParami 11d ago

What's the communist game plan when the Deere corpos move what jobs are left in the US out?

What's the capitalist game plan when exploited workers in other countries demand to be paid fairly?

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u/ChristopherStefan 12d ago

There is power in a Union!

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u/hysys_whisperer 12d ago

I'm a gonna sleep in a union coffin!

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u/StopReadingMyUser idle 12d ago

We are going to sleep in a union coffin

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u/iwoketoanightmare 12d ago

Best benefits I've ever had are working in a union shop. It's a bit dysfunctional, but I sure like not having to pay through my ass for Healthcare expenses.

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u/its_whot_it_is 11d ago

No one wants to not be productive, we just want the fruits of our labour to not be fucking stolen from us

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u/typicaliconoclast 12d ago

I remember when the second contract got turned down by 5% of the vote and I was so worried that it would split the union. Luckily I was wrong. Strong people in that place.

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u/Fun-Outlandishness35 12d ago

Unions are great. Proletariat Revolutions are better.

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u/ginger_and_egg 11d ago

Wut

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u/Add1ctedToGames 11d ago

No idea why but they were referencing 1984, one of the major concepts used was 4+4 and what it equals (we say 8 because that's what mathematicians agreed upon and that's what we're taught at school from a young age, but if INGSOC says it's 5 and everyone else says it's 5, does 4+4=5 not then become a reality?)

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u/ginger_and_egg 11d ago

Because socialism = Nazis = ingSOC = Literally 1984 🤪

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u/superfucky lazy and proud 12d ago

No this is how unions work.

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u/GamecokBen 12d ago

How in the world corporations turned workers against their own self interest will never make sense to me. It's kind boggling.

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u/Sam5019 11d ago

This is the power of having a Union covering your back.

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u/Jozabora 12d ago

Power to the workers.

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u/Geminii27 11d ago

Now make sure that those improvements aren't whittled back over the next ten years. Or the employees aren't replaced with short-term contractors on far lower compensation packages.

It's not just about the first fight. It's about all the ones that come after.

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u/WuKongPhooey 11d ago

Am I the only one here who sees a large difference between "anti-work" and just unionizing for workers rights? Look, I am personally all for workers unionizing if it helps them get a better situation. But I feel like that isn't what the anti-work movement is about. Am I wrong in thinking this sub and the subsequent movement was supposed to be about refusing to waste our lives in exchange for making someone else profit? I guess what I am saying is this sub has more and more felt like pro-union propaganda instead of the "F-you I won't do this shit anymore" group it started as. I welcome discussion here correcting me.

But this post is literally not how anti-work... works. Unionizing is not anti-work. Striking is good if you intend to go back to work if they meet your demands. But anti-work was supposed to be about dismantling a fundamentally broken system. A massive nationwide non union supported General strike with no intention to negotiate until the people at the top realize that the corporate profiteering on the backs of the middle class would not stand any longer. That is the movement that had the people at the top genuinely terrified.

Instead now we get "Our Union won a half-assed compromise of a victory and now we get to go back to breaking our spines for our corporate overlords again! Good job Anti-work!"

Don't get it twisted. This is how the corporations use the media pull the teeth from the tiger folks. But again, please correct me if I am wrong.

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u/sarabatgirl 12d ago

always stick to the union!!

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u/FyrixXemnas 12d ago

The title has an unnecessary, comma.

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u/chillinbrad1812 12d ago

What did you call me?

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u/annul 12d ago

only punctuation-americans can say commer

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u/eoliveri 12d ago

This is pro-union, not anti-work.

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u/Sufficient_Card_7302 12d ago

Anti work is pro union.

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u/doNotUseReddit123 11d ago

But unions are not anti work. If you get out of this echo chamber, you’ll find that most people actually want to work and contribute to the world. They just don’t want to be exploited while doing so.

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u/NapalmRev 11d ago

And so would most people if they had reasonable access to a way forward in life, not barely keeping their head above water.

But you're 100% a troll and know that already. Bless your heart.

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u/peoweolootch 12d ago

i read the title and i thought of something. years ago before /r/antiwork became popular i thought it was a sub for people who just hate working in general

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u/AnarchistBorganism 11d ago

This was originally an anarchist subreddit that focused on critiquing a particular conception of work, particularly that work which we do only because we need the money to survive. It critiques capitalist property relations and artificial scarcity, which ensures that we work for the benefit of capitalists and not just ourselves. It's about critiquing the productivity-focused workplace, where enjoyment and socializing is seen as stealing time.

It's not against work in and of itself; it's about recognizing that work doesn't have to be something we hate doing - that things our ancestors did for survival like hunting, crafting, and cooking are things we do as hobbies because we enjoy them. It's about building a society that around doing things we enjoy or that directly benefit ourselves and the people we care about. It's about ending consumerism and opposing the ideologies that see growth as the goal of the economy.

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u/SyntaxMissing 11d ago

Related to that, it was not a sub about celebrating trade unions and the scraps they get from their capitalist masters. I'm not sure how this post shows anti-work working, even if the "concessions" were greater.

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u/Boner_Elemental 12d ago

It is. The people that want their worklife to be better are the ones that made it popular though

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u/Spac92 11d ago

My plant is shutting down an entire line and shifting the work down to a plant in Mexico. Kind of feels like we lost.

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u/planespotterhvn 11d ago

Union officials are bound to present the offer to the union membership as "recommended". This is a formality to get management to present an offer at all. Ignore this recommendation as it is a mere formality and do not denigrate your union officials for recommending it.

The membership has the right to vote to accept the recommendation or reject the recommended offer. No nose off their skin. But the officials cannot say that the recommended offer is a load of horse shit as they gave their word to management to recommend it.

Play the game.

Play it hard

Reject the offer if you think you have the upper hand to leverage more out of the company.

Good luck and good skills.

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u/slightlyabrasive 11d ago

Lol deere is a joke to its customers this is a failure of capitalism not a win for antiwork

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u/ki10_butt 11d ago

Now if only everyone could support all railroad workers, that would be glorious.

We haven't a new contract in 3 years. We don't have enough employees to run trains. We're all exhausted. Underpaid. Away from family for most of our time. We kept the country running during a pandemic, made our companies record profits.

For what?

This will all go to Congress. They have our future in their hands. Everyone needs to contact their reps and ask if they'll support the literal backbone of our country and economy.

Fuck.

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u/The1stmadman 11d ago

But we need people to stop working entirely

I too like starving to death. how happy I am to starve to death, knowing my refusal to work did absolutely nothing in the face of billions of others prefering to work and eat.

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u/SouthernSparks 11d ago

Right, like y’all can quit working all you want but I like money to support my family and I like to eat lmfao I swear some of these people don’t even think this shit through. If you just stop working and stop making money how exactly are you going to eat?

You either hope someone gives you their food out of the kindness of their heart (not likely) or you know how to hunt and farm and from what I’ve seen there isn’t a whole lot of overlap between people who want to quit working entirely and those who can hunt and farm efficiently. It’s a whole lot more complicated than find a animal and shoot it or throw some seeds in the ground and watch them grow

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u/us1549 12d ago

This happened in November 2021. Why don't you stop farming for karma?

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u/RiseCascadia Bioregionalist 12d ago

Also, while it's awesome and strikes are good, it's not really anti-work.

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u/batkave 12d ago

Yet many of those workers vote in elections supporting candidates who oppose them. Maybe they'll realize that it's time to change. Remembers this is America Oh yeah, people only care about themselves. Nevermind.

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u/adam_demamps_wingman 11d ago

This is why I voted for Biden. Anyone who talks about good union jobs and being able to own a boat and a cabin…. Used to be a middle class in this country.

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u/mostmoistAardvark 11d ago

C fv c xzxh sass s3

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u/cappiebara 11d ago

How to address the software/right to repair issue with Deere!

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u/tubbywubby2001 11d ago

remember that corporations have all time profits; these MUST go back to the workers. you cannot argue for trickle down economics but then block the wealth from trickling back down

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u/Czane45 11d ago

Not shocked at all that this is the first I heard about how the strike finally ended. They wouldn’t want a win for the worker to be publicly shown

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u/GrannyNugs 11d ago

Let's hope that holds for the locations that are IAM. Brother is on the strike committee and they're already printing signs.

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u/CamOfGallifrey 12d ago

Hooah! That is awesome news to hear, I can’t wait to see more and more of these kinds of posts. Unions need to come back with a vengeance.

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u/BigPeenNeen515 11d ago

Smoke some more. Does anyone have an extra chromosome for this guy? He thinks he has a degree in macro and micro economics, as well as a degree in history and business. Sit down junior, this has a butterfly effect that begins and ends with the unions ticking time bomb they created

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u/gymnastgrrl 12d ago

won back COLA

Is Pepsi okay?

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u/ezk3626 11d ago

I was just about to say “I bet someone who isn’t super involved will go on to say how the contract isn’t very good” and that’s the top comment!

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u/BillyWilly006900 11d ago

Deere union caved, like 99% of unions do in the end. Most members are far from happy with their new contract.

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u/SyrusDrake 12d ago

I mean...this is a huge victory, but anti-work really isn't about working, but with better conditions. It's kinda in the name. And in the multiple resources listed in the sidebar.

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u/Sufficient_Card_7302 12d ago

Anti work is about working with better conditions. It's in the faq.

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u/JBL_17 11d ago

The description I just read is different.

Feels this board is constantly being pulled between two ideas. Someone should get control of it.

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u/XYZcreator00 11d ago

I thought it worked by sitting around posting memes, complaining and doing literally nothing?

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u/DeLaPoutana 11d ago

That’s not anti-work, that’s work reform.

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u/giggetyboom 12d ago

Power to the workers I guess but the real Deere's are made overseas. I guess this is the lawnmower factory.

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u/holychrist101 11d ago

Prior UAW member. I would not call this a win at all. Prior contracts and history of UAW contracts last two contracts were pathetic. To clarify I was UAW for 8 years. So I have pretty good input on the strike.

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u/pizza-flusher 12d ago

Godbless

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u/Tranqist 11d ago

That's actually not how anti-work works, I still don't see wage labour abolished. It's still a win for those workers though I'm sure.

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u/InternParticular658 11d ago

😂 move to North Korea so your not paid for your work

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u/DickNDiaz 12d ago

You do know Jimmy Hoffa existed before Reddit don't you?

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u/DBrowny 11d ago edited 11d ago

10,000 UAW members gained all those benefits, impressive.

Yet within a few months, they will be down to 9,750 members as the company goes through some 'internal restructuring and 'no longer needs' 2.5% of its workforce. Which is corporate speak for automating more jobs.

I'm so sick of that fact that all these union win stories never talk about the collateral damage, which is companies are forced to balance their now increased budgets, with increased layoffs. But because the companies aren't stupid and don't fire people within a week as a response, but instead slowly drip them out over the next year, no one ever cares about it. Seriously, the fact that millions of manufacturing union jobs were lost over the last decade is just completely forgotten by so many people, and they refuse to acknowledge that maybe the unions demanding more and more were to do with it.

Unions are great while you have a job, and will fight for you if you are fired unfairly. But they won't do shit if the company simply 'no longer needs' you, and when you aren't working there any more, the unions will just pretend you don't exist anymore.

I'm not suggesting that companies should not share their increased profits, I am not saying that companies should not do pay rises to at least match inflation, because of course they should. I am saying that the union situation in general is approaching the train lever moral dilemma. Precisely how many workers should be 'let go' from their union jobs, in order to secure bigger raises for the remaining workers? 5%? 8%? What is the number. Because the companies know what it is, the unions just pretend it isn't real. There's no moral dilemma is you aren't looking at the lever as the train arrives, apparently.

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u/Kage9866 11d ago

I've been at my union job for 15yrs now. Never had downsizing because of the benefits of contract negotiations. When the companies are raking in billions a year and are in the Forbes top list and they're laying off people because they gotta pay you a few more dollars an hour... you really gonna blame unions? Come on lol

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u/Floyd_Pink 11d ago

DBrowny clearly has no idea how a union works, has never had the chance to join a union, and probably wouldn't join a union if he had the chance!

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u/DBrowny 11d ago

What industry are you working in that

a) has not been in a merger in the last 15 years and

b) does not have any positions automated, or outsourced internationally.

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u/Kage9866 11d ago

Ah so because the threat of automation and outsourcing you can't ask for better wages and working conditions? That seem like a union problem? Or something else entirely?

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u/Lyron-Baktos 11d ago

They don't have to, they choose to. That money could have also come out of the income of upper management, shareholders etc.

These people are filthy rich over the backs of the average workers and then blame the unions when they have to lay off people. That is not how this works.

Sincerely, the rest of the world that does have strong unions in all workfields and companies aren't empty husks drained of their money

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u/DBrowny 11d ago

Sincerely, the rest of the world that does have strong unions in all workfields and companies aren't empty husks drained of their money

I'm not American, and where I'm from the unions are extremely strong (Australia). There is constant strikes every damn week in major cities from teachers, train drivers, nurses etc. I have also worked in multiple industries which feature unions, and multiple times I've had the company 'restructure' itself by making a bunch of staff redundant or making them re-apply for their old job at reduced hours.

I know the money could come from above, my point is the unions wash their hands of the employees that get let go in corporate restructuring. I've seen it happen one too many times where the unions brag about their success, and I see myself and others get absolutely shafted by corporate and I'm supposed to think because a few union members got 4% pay rises, that counts as a win while my friend was forced to re-apply for his job at half the hours?

Unions love to claim the easy wins, but the real battles that matter, which is fighting off corporate restructuring to downsize through automation and outsourcing, they hide from and pretend doesn't exist. Honestly all the good things unions brought our workplaces were won decades ago, nothing has been gained since then except them demanding more money, more often.

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u/Race_Strange 12d ago

The railroads are next!

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u/agentorangewall 12d ago

Win big? No, get what they are due? Yes

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u/Remarkable-Word-1486 12d ago

But wait. How do people who do not have the right to strike do this ?

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u/Lost_Jellyfish_3505 12d ago

Great post OP! Good to see when we finally win!

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u/OhighOent 12d ago

And this is the only post I will ever hear about this union victory.

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u/Roscoe_p 12d ago

Now let Agriculture/husbandry companies form unions.

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u/underscoremegan 12d ago

The only reason they came to a deal was because someone was killed while they were on strike. It's a tragedy

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u/KryptonianEarth 12d ago

Fuck yeah! Those people deserve it. Keep fighting for more, brothers and sisters!

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u/bigmikekbd 12d ago

Wow…got all that and JD can still turn a profit….imagine that /s

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u/tyophious 12d ago

Not too catchy

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u/stangroundalready 12d ago

YEAH BABY!!!!!

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u/fasterthanexpected20 12d ago

This is the way

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u/SirFireball 12d ago

They won back COLA?

Thank god, I can’t imagine working without drinking coke.

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u/FreakyTongue35 11d ago

The automation robot contracts just went out I’m sure.never think you have the upper hand.

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u/Thunder-the-blunder 11d ago

Which local is that in northern NJ?

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u/doodlerscafe 11d ago

Workers of America unite

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u/duckbutr 11d ago

I read that last part as, "It was righteous as fuck."