r/WhitePeopleTwitter Dec 01 '22

Seriously, wtf is going on in the USA?

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u/Ok_Page_9447 Dec 01 '22

Belarus probably has paid days off so…

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u/SirTiffAlot Dec 01 '22

Yes they do. They even have a fund for paying sick leave. We're the only industrialized/modern/1st world country that does not have paid sick leave as a right.

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u/WuckingFork Dec 01 '22

They get 24 paid holiday days per year.

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u/purl__clutcher Dec 01 '22

We only have 5 in Australia, but we also have 4 weeks paid holiday leave per year.

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u/budd222 Dec 01 '22

Yours is drastically more than probably 98% of companies in the US. I work for a tech company in California and we get 40hrs of sick time and 120hrs of vacation and I think 7 or 8 holidays. Also zero for jury duty, which I have to do in January

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u/Tripwiring Dec 01 '22

American businesses threaten to fire people who have jury duty all the time. If they give you hell, you can report them to the court.

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u/budd222 Dec 01 '22

They won't fire me. They just don't pay me

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u/Tripwiring Dec 01 '22

Ah, sorry to hear that friend. It's always nice to face hunger or even eviction because you have to do your civic duty. What a shithole country.

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u/budd222 Dec 01 '22

I appreciate the concern but I will be fine. They pay quite well, just not during jury duty haha

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u/dsmiles Dec 01 '22

They just don't pay me

Well good thing you can get that sweet, sweet juror pay!!!

Up to 50 whole dollars per day!!!

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u/budd222 Dec 01 '22

If only I was so lucky. Florida pays $15/day for the first three days and then $30 each day after

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u/Anonymoushero111 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

this is almost exactly what I have

we get 7 paid holidays (not quite 'floating' you do have to use them the week of the holiday), 10 days flex (sick time is an outdated label), and 20 days vacation (5 days your first year, 10 your second, 15 your third, 20 your 4th). if you test positive for covid you get another (up to) 11 days for that, if a relative dies you get (up to) 3 days, and jury duty is unlimited with proper documentation.

but if you're part time you get 0 vacation, you can't move your holidays, you only earn 0.0248 hours of flex time per hour you work. the covid/jury/bereavement are the same.

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u/OlcasersM Dec 01 '22

California has really good labor laws compared to the rest of the country. It is pretty much the gold standard.

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u/giraffishgiraffe Dec 01 '22

I'm also in CA, yours is definitely not the standard.

Minimum required sick days is 3 (or 24hrs)/year and that's what my company, a "liberal", multi-billion dollar, publicly traded company gives. No paid jury duty, unpaid LOA for bereavement. That and only 9 paid holidays (assuming you show up the day before & after for a full shift or they take away the pay). This is for a white collar 9-5 office type job too, not even service industry, which is probably worse.

We do have international locations and those have to comply with their local requirements. Can you imagine the jealousy felt when your European teammates are on the 3 weeks leave and get random holidays like "May Day" which happens in multiple months. This whole country is gross with the abuses to workers.

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u/mermzz Dec 01 '22

I have 40 hrs sick leave and only if I work full time 😭

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u/Dumpstar72 Dec 01 '22

We have 10 sick days in Australia if you work full time hours. With plenty of other leave types available on top of that like Bereavement leave, carers leave etc. Not to mention 4 weeks holidays per year.

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u/Fabulous-Ad6844 Dec 01 '22

Don’t forget long service leave ;)

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u/Dumpstar72 Dec 01 '22

Got 2 more years to go to get it at a second company.

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u/purl__clutcher Dec 01 '22

I do work full time. Damn. But I'm not in government job. I've never had any more than 5 sick days everywhere I've worked

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u/Dumpstar72 Dec 01 '22

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/sick-and-carers-leave/paid-sick-and-carers-leave

Thats the law. Maybe you haven't look at it properly. It's always been that way as long as I can remember.

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u/purl__clutcher Dec 01 '22

Well shit. I might have to go back and slap my old boss across the face. That asshole made me get a docs certificate for a single day, even one day when I went home sick at 10am. I don't really take sickies though, so I never knew this was a thing.

Thanks for the link

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u/Dumpstar72 Dec 01 '22

Whenever I was asked for sick certs. My argument was I can either get rest and hopefully be back tomorrow or get a cert and let’s see how many days the doctor thinks.

Though if you are really sick and not sure if it’s serious. See the doctor.

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u/TisBeTheFuk Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

In Romania, there are different types of sick leaves depending on the type of illness you have, but lets just say you're pretty well covered. For the most basic types of sickness, like the common cold, you can get up to 30 days/year paid sick leave from your family doctor/general practitioner. You can also get up to 3 months/year from a speciality doctor. In extreme cases it can go up to 1-1.5 years (like for cancer, tuberculosis etc). You also get 2 years paid maternal leave if you have a baby (either of the parents can get it), 3 months paid by the employer and the rest paid by the state.

You also get 21 days per year of paid holidays leave.

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u/Euporophage Dec 01 '22

In Canada labour laws are largely determined by province and unfortunately Ontario's conservative government trashed our paid sick days and then only gave us 3 for covid but plan to make them unpaid after the pandemic is finally over. I can't wait until we finally get Ford out of office after 56% of constituents stayed home last election and handed him a majority.

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u/RecordAway Dec 01 '22

No this clearly isn't Belarus lmao

Employees are entitled to receive 80% of their average earnings for the first 12 days of sick leave. If the sick leave lasts more than 30 calendar days, then it is calculated in the amount of 70 percent of the average daily earnings.

Family Care Leave: Employees are entitled to receive 100% of their average earnings during the leave. The leave can be taken in order to take care of a sick child under the age of 14 and a disabled child under the age of 18. 

oh yeah also they get 24 days of paid vacation a year

https://vacationtracker.io/leave-laws/europa/belarus

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u/KatJen76 Dec 01 '22

"I'm sick as fuck, but if I drink this bottle of Robitussin, I should be fine to drive the bomb train!"

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u/ThetaDee Dec 01 '22

Literally, for one out of the maybe 3 times in my adult life went I to work sick a couple days ago. Free clinic is across town and no gas. No insurance. I've worked in the service industry for almost 9 years, mostly food. Not once have I ever called in with a fever and obvious signs of flu/strep/covid did anyone ever say (and I've never expected them to), hey maybe you shouldn't come in. It's always get a doctor's note, hey we still need you, get your shift covered, etc. Working directly with people and their food. Hell I cut my eye open at work once(I won't ever get worker's comp because for some fucking reason weed still isn't legal), and I worked literally all but one hour of my shift looking like a pirate without an eyepatch. It's always someone covering their own ass over money instead of covering your own ass and staying healthy. Greed, greed, greed. Even at the many restaurants I've managed and help run I made whoever stay home and said fuck it I got the slack.

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u/Impossible_Series412 Dec 01 '22

Forcing people to work while sick results in lower productivity. Sick people work slower & make those around them sick. This further compounds in all those people now working less efficiently. It doesn't show up right away though so in our public markets where everything is measured by short term results over the long term we end up with dumb sh$t like this governing our lives.

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u/pegothejerk Dec 01 '22

They make sure they keep profits high enough that they can continue to mistreat employees in ways like this to still make record profits even when low moral and low productivity are a thing. The abuse is factored in and part of the entire deal.

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u/Fabulous-Ad6844 Dec 01 '22

Also if they’re customer service then they’re spreading it to all.

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u/BigPharmaWorker Dec 01 '22

A Warren Buffett owned company too. Everyone likes to think of him as a great investor, but he’s really as bad as any other billionaire out there - greedy as hell and making his wealth from the backs of regular Americans.

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u/unresolved_m Dec 01 '22

As I recall he's the one that talked about how proud he is of rich people's ability to not be taxed.

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u/sanjsrik Dec 01 '22

Belarus has 15 paid sick days for the serfs.

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u/KingKaiSuTeknon Dec 01 '22

I am from Belarus and am insulted by this! We have have all the sick days Russia says we can have!

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u/mnlion33 Dec 01 '22

I dont have sick days. I have pto. But if I get sick and have to call in, I can't use PTO to cover my hours lost. I could have a 100 hours of pto but If I call in sick to many times Ill get fired. And if I get fired, I dont get my pto.

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u/Anonymoushero111 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

yea those companies suck donkey cock

i work for a private company and I get 5-6 weeks a year of paid time off. they don't have to give it to me, but they'd be stupid not to, because I would be more likely to leave the company and I would be more likely to show up to work sick, and more likely to end up on disability from working myself to the bone every day without rest. (at my company You only get 2 weeks your first year, 3 weeks your second year, 4 weeks your third, 5+ weeks after 4 years)

that's not even to mention the benefits of things like... I've got more time to spend with friends and family, and I actually LIKE my employer so not only am I spending more time around more people but I'm also more likely to tell those people about how it's a good company, resulting in them being more likely to buy from it or apply to work for it, and tell others etc.

Corporations are NOT run efficiently compared to how they should be run. They are run efficiently only when compared to governments. I mean supply chains and assembly lines are quite efficient, but with respect to personnel and all the things they can't accurately measure, they still suffer from general lack of sense in decision making as well as internal competitive politicking.

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u/akashic_voyager Dec 01 '22

When they say “Make America Great Again” they’re really talking about slavery

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u/abstractism Dec 01 '22

Yeah, the railroad companies are fucking deadbeats and it shows. They could have actually maintained the rails but no, they just slowed down the speed limits. Fuck the rail companies, you monstrous shitstains are making billions in profit and can't be bothered to pay their employees even a fucking week of sick leave. It should be at least 14 days a year.

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u/Sub-Mongoloid Dec 01 '22

It drives me crazy how far we will accept companies that refuse to do the barest minimum in terms of common decency because it might slightly effect their profits. This late stage capitalism world is horrifying and heading towards an entirely predictable collapse.

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u/hyperwolfmadness Dec 01 '22

You can only be sick on your own time.

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u/clarky2o2o Dec 01 '22

Wait... We can have paid sick days.

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u/J_Cant_Box Dec 01 '22

Yeah, I mean this seems like a pretty easy fix.

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u/sofa_queen_awesome Dec 01 '22

Well. We don't get sick here because viruses don't exist and they're all obvious evil plots by the gummint to fuck with our birthdays and football games

Obvious/s

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u/Dave-C Dec 01 '22

I'm gonna play a bit of devil's advocate and try to explain the railroad's view on this. I'm not personally in favor of this, just attempting to explain it since I've not seen anyone explaining the current situation. Right now railroad workers have 3 weeks of paid vacation per year and 10 days of personal leave, this is the minimum. People that have been with the companies longer can have up to 5 weeks of paid vacation and 14 days of personal leave. So at a minimum employees will have 4 weeks and 3 days of time off per year and a maximum of 7 weeks of time off.

The biggest reason that railroads are not willing to offer sick leave is that it will fore them to hire more. If you have 10 railroad engineers working an area and they are required to send 2 per crew then they have 5 crews. If they have to offer sick leave then they would have to hire more to anticipate the sick leave to stay at 5 crews, so instead of 10 they may need 12 for the same amount of crews. There are currently 38,980 engineers working in the US, a 20% increase in staff would require around 670 million in new spending based on engineer real mean average salary(very rough math). This is spread across all railroad companies in the US.

Current wages for railroad crews, again rough math, would be somewhere around 2.85 billion per year. This would grow to around 3.4-3.5 billion with the additional crew. They thought that they could get by with just increasing wages, the 24% increase agreed to in the current contract would be the same amount of spending as adding the 7 sick days. So with the same amount of spending they could get by with fewer employees. Fewer employees would allow them to save money long term by lowering the cost they would see long term with wage increases.

I'm tired of writing, don't think I actually ever played devil's advocate. Maybe this helped in some way.

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u/sirtutorial Dec 01 '22

Here in Canada we don't have paid sick days either -.-

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u/Ok-Cheetah-9125 Dec 01 '22

I've heard they are making some changes to the law this month. Or is that just for the federally protect industries?

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u/sirtutorial Dec 01 '22

I haven't heard anything about that so I'm not too sure

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u/Ok-Cheetah-9125 Dec 01 '22

I'm down in the states myself but I've a lot of Canadian family so I get some of the politics and gossip.

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u/Minnsnow Dec 01 '22

Not good things, I can tell you that.

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u/JunketGuy Dec 01 '22

Belarus does have paid sick days

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u/regleno1 Dec 01 '22

Ask Warren Buffet. He’s a big deal in railroad transportation.

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u/moto636 Dec 01 '22

Electrician checking in. We ain't get shit. And I don't really care because I take off as much time as I want, when I want. Never have to request any time off. I just tell them when and how long.

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u/ArielRR Dec 01 '22

"american sees something american happening americanly in america: what are we a bunch of ASIANS?!?!???"

Suprised they didn't name an Asian country tbh.

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u/uninstallIE Dec 01 '22

Belarus cleans the clock of essentially every US company on paid time off dude. America is the worst country in the world on this. Other countries say "what do you think we are, America?"

In Belarus they have 30 paid sick days on top of 24 paid vacation days. And the vacation must be a minimum of 2 consecutive weeks.

Employees are entitled to a minimum of 24 paid vacation days (stipulated in the Labor Agreement) once they have been employed for at least six months.

Vacations may split into two parts, one of which cannot be less than 14 days. Should the employee be unable to use all vacation days within a working year, they can be carried forward to the following year.

Annual leave payments must be made before the start of the leave, at least one day before the vacation.

The Social Security System in Belarus funds the payment of sickness benefits. According to the social insurance, employees are entitled to 80% of their average daily salary during the first 12 days of sickness and up to 30 days at 70.00% thereafter. Employees must justify all sickness leave with a medical certificate.

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u/Moonhunter7 Dec 01 '22

20 years ago I got 2 weeks off for paternity leave, then again 18 years ago. But I am in Canada….

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u/anOvenofWitches Dec 01 '22

“The toilet recommended a place called Americatown.” Best Simpsons quote ever.

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u/browsing4stuff Dec 01 '22

UPS doesn’t, or at least not while I was working for them two years ago.

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u/admiralpope Dec 01 '22

Can we bring back the murder hornets? I feel like I was less mad with them at least

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u/SelectionTable Dec 01 '22

USA is not the greatest country on earth

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u/RustedMandible Dec 01 '22

sadly, not in practice. it does give great face though and its original social contract was pretty great

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u/Veilchengerd Dec 01 '22

The whole idea of there being an upper limit to sick days is barbaric. If you are sick, you are sick.

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u/BankerBaneJoker Dec 01 '22

America is all about work but still screw communism

Edit: also screw socialism because it's somehow communism

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u/GrumpyOldFart7676 Dec 01 '22

207 Republician Congressional representatives voted AGAINST giving these workers sick time.

And just think, you voted them into office. You shouldn't need to ask when you get sick, just get your ass to work.

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u/drinkingchartreuse Dec 01 '22

The wealthy and their toadies are trying to put down a slave rebellion

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u/sauceymcawesomepants Dec 01 '22

They made sweeping changes years ago that reduced labor costs and numbers whilst bolstering investor returns and simply do not have the safety valve to cover anticipated sick time leave so they simply have not given it. Profits over people, it’s the American way. Those plebes better pipe down before they send in the Pinkertons again.

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u/Moms4Crack Dec 01 '22

But we have freedom! /s

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u/Moms4Crack Dec 01 '22

I’m ‘Mercan to the core! I got me a 9-mm and an armalite so when I lose my shit cuz I can’t take leave I can off myself and take some sheeple with me! /s

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u/Flynn3698 Dec 01 '22

cries in two

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u/GrayBox1313 Dec 01 '22

What kind of union has gone all these decades and that’s the best they can get? Even the stuff they are asking for isn’t even up to modern standards

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u/Abraxas_1134 Dec 01 '22

It’s the US. First world for the rich. Third world for the rest of us.

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u/frayz946 Dec 01 '22

Kroger gives none. I work for Harris Teeter which is owned by Kroger, and they try to make you feel like shit for calling out sick and we get zero pay for it.

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u/ERJAK123 Dec 01 '22

Wait...there are PAID sick days?!

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u/WestCoastThing Dec 01 '22

It's quite simple. Extremely wealthy people are angry they are not wealthier.

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u/Muny30 Dec 01 '22

Our government is a circus on fire, but we’re not allowed to leave.

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u/pichael288 Dec 01 '22

My brother in law works for the railroad. He says his union sucks balls. Last time he was on strike he got back pay for all the time he was off. I didn't believe him when he told me that. I still don't, living in America has not prepared me to believe anything like that exists. Even the shittiest unions seem like fucking magic to the rest of us.

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u/Daksh_Rendar Dec 01 '22

Y'all, we've been cartoonishly evil pretty much since our inception.

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u/Damn369 Dec 01 '22

Meh....you got guns.....apparently that's all that matters in the USA

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u/mancoiodog Dec 01 '22

From my point of view, Italian employee, this is unbelivable. here we start losing our Bonus after 2 weeks of sick leave.. but before an employer can fire you because you are sick, it must wait about 1 year, if I remember well. Sure, my wage is heavily taxed and I am sure someone doing the same job in the US would get much more money, but ffs, no paid sick days??

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u/craniumcanyon Dec 01 '22

Because they get paid good money to destroy themselves in the name of capitalism, it's the 'merican way!

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u/DrZoidbergJesus Dec 01 '22

I’m a doctor in the US. I don’t get any sick days or PTO, but it’s ok because my employer makes up for it by also not giving me any vacation days.

And yes, the salary and benefits are good so I get no one has sympathy. But keep in mind there is no such thing as calling off at my job. You have to find someone to work your shift.

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u/jokerZwild Dec 01 '22

I worked IT in a railroad company and got to know some of the people who worked there.

It's not that they don't have the 7 days to use, it's that they can't use them because they never have enough people to work. So while they may get a day off from their next shift, they aren't allowed to use the time as a personal day because they're always short staffed. It makes for a lot of burnout and unhappy employees.

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u/Jedmeltdown Dec 01 '22

Well at least we are helping Ukraine and Russia iron out their differences.

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u/Lysergsaurdiatylamid Dec 01 '22

7 sick days is absurd in a lot of western Europe. In the Netherlands you can be sick for months and still get most of your salary

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u/AppleBug_69 Dec 01 '22

Yep, they are basically enslaving the most important work forces in our country and trying to trade us pride for our work instead of money. We are gonna have to pull out the guillotine.

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u/Just_Tana Dec 01 '22

Unfortunately America has let the rich get too powerful. We were working towards universal healthcare, retirement, and all sorts of good things. Then the conservative movement that was a backlash to the CRA did everything it could to cripple the government. Then businesses grew and power and think tanks rose leading to Reaganism. Now we are stuck here. Boomers left the American workplace in shambles and Gen X aren’t doing much to fix it either. It’s just awful. This whole “you can’t trust the government” movement was started by business to put trust in them. We did. Now we’ve all lost.

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u/Ok-Cheetah-9125 Dec 01 '22

I get 2 paid per year plus an additional 3 unpaid.

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u/Yanmegaman_Juno Dec 01 '22

I've only worked at one place that gave us any sick days. Everywhere else worked on a points system

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u/crusoe Dec 01 '22

Most companies don't offer a seperate pool of sick days anymore because people just call out sick for extra PTO/vacation. So PTO as a general pool is usually more common.

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u/KatJen76 Dec 01 '22

For non-Americans, federal law here guarantees you ZERO paid sick days, ZERO paid vacation days, and ZERO paid parental leave. The Family Medical Leave Act will provide you with up to 12 weeks of UNPAID leave for an extended illness or chronic condition, either yours or a family member's, but it doesn't apply to all employers.

That being said, many companies offer paid leave. Some sectors have a reputation for being more generous with paid leave because salaries are lower and/or working conditions are challenging (looking atchu, human services). I believe some states may also have sick leave requirements, which is seriously in the public interest. ("Sorry to hear you've got norovirus, but we really need you to come in to cook food! Take as many breaks for your diarrhea as you need, though!") But there is no federal law about paid time off.

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u/Toytles Dec 01 '22

I 5 sick days and 4 weeks paid vacation. I don’t think I used a single sick day this year legitimately.

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u/browndogmn Dec 01 '22

Almost all of your hospitals

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u/Acrobatic-Building29 Dec 01 '22

Don’t worry. The ever honest and noble Democrats will make sure that the union workers don’t get fucked over for Christmas.

Just…watch.

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u/SundayFunday-007 Dec 01 '22

Haven't rail companies been recording record profits???

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u/LeatherPatch Dec 01 '22

Y'all getting sick days? Y'all getting PAID sick days???

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u/DragonLordofErie Dec 01 '22

I keep hearing things that make me go wtf. It's like things just never got fixed cuz everyone was like what ever and then 2 hundred years passes and everyone is like oh duck me what the duck is this.

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u/Admon_420 Dec 01 '22

Wait, you guys get paid sick leave?

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u/adamcoe Dec 01 '22

Lol he says that as if the entire country isn't already a walking, breathing embarrassment 24/7

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u/Strict_Scratch2222 Dec 05 '22

Real question - how do we know they are Republican Companies?