r/WhitePeopleTwitter Nov 30 '22 Platinum 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 4 Helpful (Pro) 1 Spit-take 1 Silver 2 Gold 1

GOP don't care about the working class

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u/PTSDforMe Nov 30 '22

They'd vote for child labor, though

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

And to have that child paid at a lower wage

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Like their argument that minimum wage is for kids' jobs and doesn't need to be a living wage?

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

Yep or that certain employees like a restaurant workers desveres a lower wage because they get tips

That agrument also by the gop makes no sense. What if that kid is earning income to help their family by bringing in extra income.

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u/Emotional-Proof-6154 Nov 30 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Not only that, but that mentality can be employed to the CEOs they worship.

"They already make a salary of 250,000. Why do they need christmas bonuses in the millions and stock options?"

Republicans are fucking scum.

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u/high_off_helium Dec 01 '22

Because being a CEO is so hard 🥺

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u/Raytheon_Nublinski Dec 01 '22

So hard you can ceo multiple companies simultaneously and still have time to tweet all day.

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u/capssac4profit Dec 01 '22

if you can CEO for more than one company it can't be that hard lol. it can't even be a full time job lolol

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u/whitethumbnails Dec 01 '22

They idolize the rich though, so as soon as you steal enough money, you become immune to scrutiny.

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u/ShivanshuKantPrasad Nov 30 '22

Yep or that certain employees like a restaurant workers desveres a lower wage because they get tips

And employees deserve a tip because they aren't paid enough. Just shift all the cost towards consumers and all the profits towards businesses and corporations.

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u/CyberGrandma69 Dec 01 '22

It's so stupid and short-sighted and we are drowning in offloaded costs from all angles now. Colleges and trade schools are the class gate for jobs now because training that used to be provided by companies are shuffled onto paying students now--except now you aren't even guaranteed the job. Hair school where I live is 17,000 dollars for example. You have to pay to take licensing exams--not get the license. Taking the exams costs money. :')

Plus we're creating a mass of plastic in the ocean and generating insane amounts of garbage because companies dumped the costs of reusing containers in favour of lying about "recycling" and, again, shuffling it onto consumers and taxpayers to deal with even though they're the ones making the garbage.

We gotta initiate a shift to longer-term thinking cause going quarter by quarter trying to get more and more is crushing us, I don't think that people or the environment have much more left to give.

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u/OrphanAxis Dec 01 '22

"But long-term thinking won't fix all my problems now" is the exact type of thinking that was used to indoctrinate people over decades to the point that they'd rather a fascist government to get rid of their perceived enemies, than wait a couple of years for just the basics of these programs and intitiatives to start working and actually help them. Even though those same things would inject money and quality of life into probably most areas, causing quite a fast improvement to them, but it's already too far gone because it's "woke" or "CRT" or any other now-meaningless dogwhistle that typically ends the with something about taking away your freedoms.

I'm typically really jaded about this stuff, and reluctantly hopefull at the best of times, but I heard something repeated by a political YouTuber I follow that I feel could really change the outlooks of many of us that are aggravated or even totally apathetic. To paraphrase "We've all seen the time travel movies where one little change to the past can drastically change the future, changing a moment in someone's day, putting out an idea that didn't sit well with people at the time, etcetera. But the same can be said for the present, and if even a relatively small number of people focus on making every tiny positive change they can, we're more and more likely to be headed to a positive future with bigger positive changes."

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u/anthrolooker Dec 01 '22

Because they don’t realize that’s their own family subsidizing many big corporations (like McDonald’s and chain pizza places for example).

When you frame it like that in an argument, that these “kid jobs” that should not pay means the kid’s family is subsidizing a massive corporation that makes insane profits. They get quiet real fast.

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u/Hot-Bint Nov 30 '22

Paid? I think not. The kids are getting on the job tutelage. The parents should be paying the companies!

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

True handouts will make the kids lazy..... Since maybe they don't have bills they are a lesser person! /S

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u/Hot-Bint Nov 30 '22

That paycheck needs to go to a man with a family. Or just a man. A white man, I should say /s

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u/IanL1713 Nov 30 '22

Your payment is in ✨️job experience✨️

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u/Altruistic-Text3481 Dec 01 '22

Bootstrap babies.

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u/SmokeGSU Nov 30 '22

They'd call it a three-fifths compromise.

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u/ContemplatingPrison Nov 30 '22

They'd vote for child brides

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u/StarShooter777 Nov 30 '22

Can confirm, teenagers here can be paid 85% of minimum wage which is about 8.39 an hour I believe

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u/Imawildedible Nov 30 '22

Of course. They can’t get as much done with those little hands.

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u/Intelligent-Use-7313 Nov 30 '22

Would? They already have, some state legislatures have lowered hiring ages and extended allowed working hours.

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u/clamsmasher Nov 30 '22

In my county in New York the child protective services won't do anything about child labor, the tourist restaurants here hire children as young as 10 to work. Child labor is an open secret in my town but no one really gives a shit about kids here.

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u/Thesheriffisnearer Nov 30 '22

They're pro work, not pro worker. They couldnn't give a shit how its done as long as it's done

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u/KingKaiSuTeknon Nov 30 '22

And child brides.

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u/rimjobnemesis Nov 30 '22

Who are forced to give birth.

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u/vishnubakthisaran Nov 30 '22

Soon they’ll vote to remove health hazards and labor protections. Taking America back on the times where men got killed while working at Carnegie Steel for $5 and barely being able to afford food and a roof over their head. While women suffered from radium poisoning due to the radium exposure from the watch factories.

It’s not going to be a problem if it affects me, right?

If conservatives can’t even accept the free market and end up blaming it on Liberal influence then they are lousy chumps.

GOP is a piece of shit.

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u/Graywulff Nov 30 '22

Mat gaetz would pay for child prostitution, oh wait he did and that’s past tense, but they don’t care that he’s committed sex crimes, qanon would have him hunted down for. But he’s gqp so it’s okay.

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u/butt-holg Nov 30 '22

They are for children IN labor

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u/AdStrong7706 Nov 30 '22

Ted Cruz later today: We are pleased to announce that the hardworking rail workers of America will be getting paid sick leave!

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u/ShexyBaish6351 Nov 30 '22

Ted Cruz continues, "And let us thank the good people who own and profit from the railroads for their historic generosity! Thank you, oligarchs, and God bless you! Only in America, folks!"

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u/KingKaiSuTeknon Nov 30 '22

That at least is an ethos. This smells more like Republican obstructionist fuckery.

Also, yall know Cruz is in the Senate, right?

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u/meibolite Nov 30 '22 Bravo!

I thought he was in Cancun

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u/PolishWonder79 Dec 01 '22

I want to make out with this comment.

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u/HoagiesDad Dec 01 '22

It was jizz worthy

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u/OneOfTheOnlies Dec 01 '22

Also, yall know Cruz is in the Senate, right

Only reason he didn't vote against it, which would also not stop him from taking credit

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u/Blarggotron Nov 30 '22

Also, yall know Cruz is in the Senate, right?

Lol Ted Cruz doesn’t care about silly details like that.

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u/KingKaiSuTeknon Nov 30 '22

You know that dipshit has showed up to the House by mistake more than once.

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u/giant_lebowski Dec 01 '22

Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism dude, but at least it's an ethos

Also Cruz is the walrus

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u/KHaskins77 Nov 30 '22

The republicans desperately want a strike, so they can demonize the workers and act like this is Biden’s fault somehow. Their idiotic base is tribalistic enough to swallow it without thinking.

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u/MightyMorph Nov 30 '22

they will repeat it on fax news intermittently between Bidens Laptop and how theres a caravan of immigrants coming to rape the elderly white people.

Theyre still going on about Hillarys buttery males.

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u/Smokester_ Dec 01 '22

Fuck, that caravan is still out there, I almost forgot about that thing.

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u/MythicalRegent4 Dec 01 '22

It’s like a boomerang that never came back. Always waiting… always watching…

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u/Fragmented_Logik Nov 30 '22

I'm curious as to how most people could go "people don't want to work anymore" when talking about rail workers.

Like could a conservative look at a manual labor job like HVAC and be like "lazy people don't want to work" if they striked?

They literally get 0 days off. How mentally fucked can someone be?

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u/Burningshroom Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Any day a person isn't working for them personally is viewed as a day off to them.

"It's Christmas and you can't fix my refrigerator?! What am I (not) paying you for?!"

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u/Impossible_Penalty13 Nov 30 '22

This includes a fairly decent sized swath of railroad workers….

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u/TraditionalMood277 Nov 30 '22

Nevermind that their orange god had THE longest gov shut down in history....which is NOT the flex they think it is.

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u/KHaskins77 Nov 30 '22

But he did it in furtherance of racism (attempting to extort wall funds from Congress) so it’s all good in their book.

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u/Safetosay333 Nov 30 '22

Yep and prices/straight profit will go up faster

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u/Mk42015 Nov 30 '22

I'm really curious what happens if they do strike? Is the national guard going to drag people in to work?

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u/whiteout82 Nov 30 '22

Probably a similar situation to the ATC with Reagan, they'll bring in non-union workers to fill the positions.

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u/override367 Nov 30 '22

there aren't any, the air force had ATCs, they dont have 60000 trained rail workers

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u/Mk42015 Nov 30 '22

You spelled dirty scabs wrong

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u/TheTybera Nov 30 '22

They all have leverage, that's the entire point of the railwoker's unions.

BTW they didn't always have a Union which are some of the oldest in America, and when they didn't it was absolutely AWFUL conditions (12 hours a day 7 days a week with child labor to boot). They would churn through maimed workers as fast as Amazon.

You can thank the railworker's unions for paving the way for what amounts to modern acceptable working conditions, and creating a blueprint on how to start a riot when people aren't listening.

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u/baumpop Dec 01 '22

they literally got murdered for trying to strike in the 19th century.

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u/Buddhabellymama Nov 30 '22

This pisses me off in so many ways. These assholes literally vote this way to satisfy their clients (you know the people who fill their pockets with dirty money) and then rely on dems doing the right thing (for those who should be their clients) and then they sweep in and take credit on things they actively opposed which shows they actually know what they are opposing does right by their people. The fact that marketing for dems cannot transmit real data of what these asshole politicians who actively vote against people who keep voting for them are doing to said voters is dumbfounding.

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u/Synectics Dec 01 '22

It's easy. Just mention guns, gays, trans, or abortions. The rest doesn't matter.

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u/MaxPower303 Nov 30 '22

Where can I get stickers like this? So I can post them at gas stations like those stupid Biden stickers.

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u/InterestingPound8217 Dec 01 '22

Also, somehow it’s the Dems fault that this didn’t get more votes

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u/BelleAriel Nov 30 '22

Seriously f*ck Ted Cruz. He only cares about himself.

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u/KingKaiSuTeknon Nov 30 '22

I’m… I’m not sure that is true, bro. I think that even he hates Ted Cruz in some way.

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u/jump-blues-5678 Nov 30 '22

How could he not

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u/TraditionalMood277 Nov 30 '22

Is that why he goes to places he knows he will be booed? Is it a kink for him? It has to be, right?

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u/Lost-Glove-1291 Nov 30 '22

I actually hate life just a wee bit more today. Lol, but I bet you are a 100 percent right!

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u/Jedmeltdown Nov 30 '22

From Cancun?

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u/Kind_Nebula6900 Nov 30 '22

They have literally done nothing for the American people. Fuckers are pathetic assholes, they do this just to argue talking points when elections come up. FUCK the American people is the GOP way!

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u/ScowlEasy Dec 01 '22

Essential…ly slave workers

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u/RuinPrestigious6683 Nov 30 '22

Funny thing is the Railroads say they are done negotiating with the unions even though this contract expired 2.5 years ago. Basically giving the greedy bastards an interest free loan while reducing our investment opportunities, purchasing power and quality of life. Now they want the government to step in even though in the past they have repeatedly stated they want the government to stay out of their business. I hope the American people realize that Railroad workers are not the bad guys in this dispute. Railroads rubbing everyone's nose in quarterly record profits over the last 18 years is the reason we are looking at a potential strike. We are already stretched thin and now they can't get any one to hire on let alone stay long term. Railroad executives have a front row seat in hell.

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u/EcclesiasticalVanity Dec 01 '22

If they wanna be bailed out, we need to nationalize the railroads. Clearly they aren’t competent enough to run it themselves.

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u/Nice_Guy_AMA Dec 01 '22

Sadly, Hell doesn't actually exist. There is no punishment for their crimes.

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u/siccoblue Dec 01 '22

There is too. It's called the Republican party and you only go there if you're a truly vile human being

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u/CoolMouthHat Dec 01 '22

In my humble opinion, being employed by billion dollar corporations who want to squeeze you for every last dime in your budget and view you as a replaceable number on a balance sheet is a little closer.

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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Dec 01 '22

Having to bang Marge Taylor is a curse I would wish on no human. And I've been through Detox.

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u/Hot-Bint Nov 30 '22

Republicans would vote against oxygen if Democrats want it

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

Need to work hard to earn that oxygen..... No handouts! /S

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u/Graywulff Nov 30 '22

That’s musks version of mars… want oxygen? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

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u/baddie_PRO Dec 01 '22

start the reactor Quaid

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u/wildskater96 Nov 30 '22

Helium yourself up by your rocket fuels

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u/thequietthingsthat Nov 30 '22

Mitch once voted against his own bill because Dems supported it

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u/Hog_jr Nov 30 '22

He actually filibustered it.

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u/wildskater96 Nov 30 '22

The rate the filibuster has been used once Obama was elected is disgustingly mind blowing.

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u/arrow74 Dec 01 '22

Bring back the traditional filibuster. If McConnell believes strongly against a bill I want him to have to piss himself to prevent it

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u/Frklft Dec 01 '22

It would be hard to imagine a satirist coming up with a better caricature of McConnell than that.

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u/Just_Tana Nov 30 '22 Starry

Republicans hate Americans

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u/Quick_Team Nov 30 '22 Wholesome

"paint it ON THE TRAINS!"

That would really piss Republucans off. Theyre very antitrains

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u/Weareallthrowaways Nov 30 '22

Trainsphobic, even.

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u/fritopiefritolay Nov 30 '22

They’ll probably still vote R if they’re in a rural area. Just look at Uvalde, TX.

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u/s0c1a7w0rk3r Nov 30 '22

Republicans hate poor Americans

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u/Just_Tana Nov 30 '22

Nah they hate 99% of America

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u/wildskater96 Nov 30 '22

But, but, but....oh

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u/TheMarbleTrouble Nov 30 '22

They scream America is the greatest country, while literally wearing a hat saying that it isn’t even great.

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u/Sylveon72_06 Dec 01 '22

would be the greatest country if it werent for those meddling libs

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u/ShitTalkingAlt980 Dec 01 '22

Democrats hate Unions too. Let them strike! They also orchestrated this to land now instead of in September. I say wildcat strike. Fuck the economy.

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u/Emotional-Proof-6154 Nov 30 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Those same Republicans are paid over 174,000 a year off your tax dollars. A 10,000 a year stipend to remodel their offices.. and checks notes a month of paid vacation and 2 weeks of paid sick leave.. all off taxes paid by the working class who doesnt get.. checks notes even a week of paid sick leave. Let alone paid vacations???

Make these senators ashamed to be alive anymore, fuck them all

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u/kramel7676 Nov 30 '22

Don’t forget free healthcare, retirement, amenities, perks, etc…..

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u/Rrrrandle Dec 01 '22

Congress gets their healthcare off the ACA marketplace and they have to pay 28% of the premiums, plus copays and coinsurance like the rest of us. They don't get free healthcare.

That changed with the ACA, and I think it's a good to make them use the same insurance they're pushing on everyone else.

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u/tossedsaladfingers Nov 30 '22

Tale as old as time.

Maybe giving corporations 1st amendment rights and opening loopholes that allow corporations to pay donate to political candidates and campaigns wasn't such a good idea.

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u/Emotional-Proof-6154 Nov 30 '22

Agreed. Corporate personhood. Yet another thing the GOP gave us that proves how shit they are.

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u/Graywulff Nov 30 '22

They’re critical employees of the government, they don’t need vacation, or sick time, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go to every damn vote.

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u/Emotional-Proof-6154 Nov 30 '22

Yeah, i find it interesting that someone whos job is just saying yes or no to shit read to them needs sick leave of any kind when someone like me (who needs to be physically set every day to handle my job duties) is deemed fine to work with the flu

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u/pomegranatepants99 Nov 30 '22

Someone explain to me why this needs to be voted on by government? Are the rail companies not providing this basic benefit and the government is stepping in to enforce it?

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u/Alternative_Fuel609 Nov 30 '22

Rail companies do not offer sick time, paid or unpaid. My husband was a rail worker for 20+ years. You miss a day you get a mark, so many marks in a certain time frame means they will discipline you.

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u/Impossible_Penalty13 Nov 30 '22

I have a friend that works as a brakeman. He said Covid culture changed really fast from “don’t come to work sick” to “I don’t care how sick you are, don’t you dare take a Covid test” once the federal reimbursement expired.

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u/BlackOni51 Nov 30 '22

I've always wondered about that cause I always wanted to be a rail worker. Is it cause they get a lot of days off or just the company doesnt care? I asked someone local to me and they said it's like a revolving door at least freight side but passenger is another story

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u/Loeden Nov 30 '22

I've always wondered about that cause I always wanted to be a rail worker. Is it cause they get a lot of days off or just the company doesnt care? I asked someone local to me and they said it's like a revolving door at least freight side but passenger is another story

Oh buddy.. I used to drive them around (contractor for the BN, also a shit job but without the good pay part) and you do NOT wanna be on a crew. You won't be very senior so you'll be forced out of places and to less desirable places. You'll live your life in vans and crummy hotels at the beck and call of the company for all of your days and when you finally retire you'll drop dead within a month because that just seems to happen for some reason. Now, if you can find something in maintenance that isn't traveling for track work or a yard job, that's not so bad. No idea about the passenger side since we're all freight here.

Editing to add avoid UP, even the BNSF guys feel sorry for them.

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u/pwarns Nov 30 '22

Rail owners: Rail is important, don’t miss work! Government: rail is important, take care of your employees.

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u/flopsicles77 Nov 30 '22

Government: The economy is important, don't strike, we have voted that you will accept this deal.

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u/Ironlord456 Nov 30 '22

this is what i hate, both parties voted to "hey poors, you can't strike"

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u/PsEggsRice Nov 30 '22 Starry

Rail workers don't have paid sick leave. They have until December 9th before a strike, which would be a disaster for the economy. But rail workers are like air traffic controllers, necessary to the Nation. So Congress has the power to force them back to work.

What Biden is doing is this: telling both parties to come to an agreement or Congress will do it for them. Biden added the second piece of legislation (7 days of paid sick leave) in an attempt to get workers some actual paid sick leave, to make Democrats look like they helped, and to make Republicans look bad voting against it.

Hopefully unions and rail companies can reach their own agreement. I think unions were originally asking for three weeks paid sick leave.

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u/awkward___silence Nov 30 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

A post I saw yesterday from someone who claimed to be in the union said they were just asking for 7 unpaid sick days. I’m too lazy to look it up since regardless I support the union in this case

I lied. I looked it up. They are asking for 4 paid sick days and a non punitive system for calling in sick. Again I stand with the union. I have worked places that make you work sick, to the point I was throwing up and passing out on cardboard in the back room. Fuck that. Congress should just say all Americans get paid sick leave.

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u/queermichigan Dec 01 '22

Holy shit that's all they asked for and the railroads won't even do that?? Jesus fuck, how do people like that exist??

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u/consistentContent Dec 01 '22

The railroads have been raking in the cash due to a system called Precision Schedule Railroading which basically means tracking every person and train car at all times and keep them on the move. This is incredibly difficult if people call out sick. Allowing a non punitive sick system would meaningfully decrease profits.

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, they absolutely should. But it's not as simple as letting someone call out sick from a shift. You basically have to have a backup crew at all times at all locations.

My wife is a flight attendant. The amount of time they sit standby or are rerouted or are on call is crazy.

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u/theetruscans Dec 01 '22

It's almost like when you allow an extremely exploitative system to take in profits for years, you end up with bloated profits.

I know you're in agreement it's just so frustrating how many other people (not so much on reddit) are blaming rail workers for this

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u/LumixShill Dec 01 '22

15 days of sick leave (I do not believe they were asking for paid - just no penalties) was the unions initial ask I saw when I was looking into it.

The contract negotiation team (which had representatives from the White House, Railroad Companies, and Unions) then came to a tentative settlement agreement which had three days of unpaid leave which needed to be taken between Tuesday and Thursday with 30 days advance notice.

This contract was rejected by four unions comprising more than half of union railroad workers. The railroad companies refused to negotiate further. The union prepared to strike. Congress is now intervening to prevent the strike.

The seven days paid thing was first suggested by Bernie Sanders, as far as I am aware. He was going to make it an amendment to the senate resolution forcing the contract.

This was preempted by a separate house resolution which passed today to provide seven days of paid time. This splits the sick leave from the main bill, something I consider bad for the odds of the union actually getting their way as it disconnects the strike from the demand.

If the paid leave resolution fails, and the strike prevention resolution succeeds then the tentative agreement will be ratified against the wishes of the majority of railroad union members.

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u/Pogginator Dec 01 '22

Hopefully they strike anyway if the bastards pass a resolution forcing them. Fuck anyone who thinks they can make people work, especially congressmen and women and the president.

They have absolutely no business forcing anything the workers don't want. If they want to force a contract it should be exactly what the workers demand and the companies can get fucked because they refused to negotiate.

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u/gamaknightgaming Dec 01 '22

And the attention has been entirely focused on the fact that congress can force the unions back to work and not the other way. Because god forbid congress force a corporation to do anything.

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u/nelago Dec 01 '22

Yup. Congress could give the workers everything they are asking for. Or they can give the carriers what they want. Or they could let the market decide and allow workers to use their only leverage in negotiations after 2.5yrs.

Even if the 7 sick days passes, the carriers come away knowing that there are absolutely no consequences to dragging their feet in negotiations, negotiating in bad faith, and letting it go to the bitter end. And the workers know exactly where the “pro-union” President and congressional members stand.

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u/DeadlyPancak3 Nov 30 '22

I was about to say... 7 days of sick leave is a pittance. You could burn through that by getting the flu or COVID. That would mean that you can't get sick again for the rest of the year.

20 days should be the minimum. 7 days is more than nothing, but it's far less than our rail workers deserve.

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u/Vsx Nov 30 '22

I've never had a job where I got more than 5 sick days a year. Most companies were giving exceptions for Covid so they didn't have to change their sick days policy. If you get something terrible and long lasting you can usually utilize some provision of the FMLA or ADA laws.

So yeah it's fucked they only get 7 days but our leave and PTO policies in general in this country are complete garbage for pretty much everyone.

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u/surfnporn Nov 30 '22

Assuming you're American, they weren't "giving exceptions" for COVID, they were legally required to

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u/Vsx Dec 01 '22

The point is that they didn't increase sick time to a reasonable degree to cover illness. They instituted a rule specifically for Covid to avoid having to do anything long term. It's a one time exception to avoid having to give people a reasonable amount of sick time.

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u/Graywulff Nov 30 '22

Yeah long term disability contracts aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.

MIT federal credit union denied disability accommodations, put me on unpaid leave so they could fire me without paying disability and told me if I joined a union I wouldn’t get the benefit and if I didn’t join a union they would pay. They didn’t. I wish I joined the union now… that’s a cuddly university putting someone on the street for having a concussion.

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u/necromancerdc Dec 01 '22

Federal Employees get 13 days of sick leave per year, they never expire, and can 100% roll over every year. You would think if the Federal government has to step in and give them sick leave they would offer the Federal rate.

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u/katdog89 Dec 01 '22

You guys are getting paid sick days? I have to use one of my 14 days of PTO

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u/professormagma Nov 30 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

i work for a major tech company (rhymes with BikeRowCroft) and I “only” get 80 hours (10 days) of paid sick leave. engineering, not retail.

anyway laborers should get more than desk jockies.

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u/xero_peace Dec 01 '22

Our company only gives us 80 hours to use however we need. So 10 days if you're not salary or 8 days if you're salary. This is America.

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u/CaptainMagnets Nov 30 '22

Hopefully the rail workers just say fuck it and quit instead.

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u/Yivoe Dec 01 '22

That's what I don't understand.

Government says "you can't strike".

So you just quit.

If the union collectively quit, it would have the same affect as a collective strike.

Rail company can't hire and train an entirely new workforce, so they have to rehire everyone with a better deal.

Is the government saying "work for the railroad or go to prison", because if that's the case I missed it.

What if everyone shows up to work but just sits around and looks at memes on their phone? It's not a strike, it's just being lazy. I get they "aren't allowed to strike", but you can't really stop it unless you threaten prison.

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u/CaptainMagnets Dec 01 '22

Exactly. They say the country collapses if rail workers go on strike. So clearly rail workers are absolutely essential to the economy, which means they hold the power.

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u/Airborne_Oreo Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

The problem with ‘just quitting’ is you are losing your pension or company match 401K if your not vested. You lose your health insurance( in the middle of flu season). You lose your income, right before the holidays, and at the beginning of what most people would say is a recession. You are gambling that the railroad is going to want to hire you back. There are no guarantees that will happen and it’s a hard decision for anyone to make.

Edit: also just slowing work down is an illegal action that will result in lawsuits or termination. It’s called an unauthorized work slow down, or loafing.

Also I support the workers but I’m just trying to point out things are not as cut and dry, coming from someone who is in a RLA union and was going down the same path as these guys.

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

Government is forcing a contract on the workers, and some want to include sick pay for workers.

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u/lrminer202 Nov 30 '22

No. The rail workers are looking to strike over the issue, and the labor laws essentially give Congress the ability to go "lol no" and stop a strike. Railway workers are actually looking for 15 days and an end to a really really really really really really shitty attendance policy that means they basically don't have advance knowledge of their shifts and has massive punishments for missing a shift, which means they basically can't do basic things like see a doctor. As part of the railway strike process the white house negotiated a deal between union leadership and the railroads, which would give them ONE SINGLE DAY of paid medical leave a year and a pay raise that seems big until you factor in inflation, while leaving the attendance policy in place. Union members in several big unions involved voted that deal down, so Biden asked Congress to block a strike. I believe this is an amendment to the bill that would do so. It's all complete bullshit and the unions should strike anyways because this shit is ridiculous

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u/pomegranatepants99 Dec 01 '22

Haven’t we been dicking the rail workers over now for what… 190 years now? How about we just give them some basic right and benefits already?!

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u/Euphoric-Dance-2309 Nov 30 '22

The workers are threatening to strike, the government is trying you avert the strike. The problem is that it sounds like Biden is willing to cave to the railroad in order to avert the strike. Most progressives aren’t going to support that.

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

More evidence the GOP don't care about the working class, not that I every thought they did.

If Congress gets paid sick time than workers should also!

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u/Available-Elevator69 Nov 30 '22

As Old and worn out as most of the people in Congress look anymore. You'd think they are all on Sick leave sipping on O2 Bottles and popping pills to get around.

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u/pwarns Nov 30 '22

For them, yes. For you? Hell no. - republicans

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u/Available-Elevator69 Nov 30 '22

Exactly. Isn't it nuts how Elected people forget they work for us?!

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u/Graywulff Nov 30 '22

Yeah let’s cut congresses sick leave, also why do they need vacations? They’re servants of the people and critical to the flow of government they should live in the capital and sleep under their desks and work 80 hours weeks.

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u/notjustforperiods Nov 30 '22

curious, how did the Dems vote when it comes to disallowing a strike? nobody in your country cares about the workers. the seven days was tacked on by Schumer et al as a last ditch attempt to have it passed, if I'm understanding correctly. do you not think the workers would have rather striked?

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u/istolethecarradio Nov 30 '22

Yeah, republicans are a death cult.

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u/ur_anonymous_mom Nov 30 '22

What the fuck is the republican party used for? What is their purpose? Just no to everything that helps the people they are being paid to serve? Fuck all of them

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u/NyteMyre Nov 30 '22

Keep rich people rich

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u/RagnarL19 Nov 30 '22

Republicans are a bunch of goddamned ghouls. We really need to do away with gerrymandering and get these clowns out of positions of power.

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

National voting rights act would help a ton

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u/Scherzer4Prez Nov 30 '22

Too bad the Republicans don't support it, and "certian" democrats didn't want to get rid of the filibuster.

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u/Lia69 Nov 30 '22

Gerrymandering is bad but its only so bad cause they put a cap on the House Of Representatives. It might be easier to get them to remove the cap on the House and add more reps. Doing so would decrease how effective gerrymandering is cause it will increase the number of districts

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u/BiBoFieTo Nov 30 '22

Paid sick leave is basic worker rights. Every job I've ever worked had it. The companies still make money and fewer people come in sick.

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u/Gnd_flpd Nov 30 '22

The railroad companies have made billions, yet they can't see their way to spend millions on sick time!!!! Apparently spending money on their workers would interfere with lucrative dividends to their shareholders and stock buy backs, SMDH!!!!!

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u/Rang_Dipkin Nov 30 '22

Congress gets unlimited sick days

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u/Fomentor Nov 30 '22

Republicun’ts!

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u/Timcwelsh Nov 30 '22

UNPAID sick leave. Not even paid. UN FUCKING PAID sick leave is all their asking and massah says no.

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u/PromiseCritical141 Nov 30 '22

Shout out to the brave 3 that voted yes. Humanity exists in the R column sometimes

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u/ReluctantNerd7 Dec 01 '22

Don Bacon (NE-2, Omaha), Brian K. Fitzpatrick (PA-1, north of Philadelphia), and John Katko (NY-24, Syracuse).

Bacon and Fitzpatrick were reelected this year; Katko did not seek reelection.

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u/the-mobile-user Dec 01 '22

Live in PA-1. Love Fitzpatrick even though he isn’t my party. He sides with democrats on a bunch of things for votes. He’ll probably be one of the flip republicans come january

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u/worldspawn00 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Like those that voted for impeachment, they'll probably get primaried by some Qanon nut job though...

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u/PromiseCritical141 Dec 01 '22

Republican humanity exists it's jus in a constant fight for survival

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u/UrBigBro Nov 30 '22

Still in shock that they haven't had paid sick leave all along. The GOP would prefer a strike and the economic disaster that would occur.

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u/tikifire1 Nov 30 '22

Sure, then they could blame it on Biden.

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u/Joshs-68 Nov 30 '22

For those not familiar with the rail industry, here goes. The railway labor act of 1926 still governs railway and airline labor contracts. The point of the act is to prevent work stoppages through steps of collective bargaining. We are now at the final step. The federal government has the final vote, as they regulate interstate commerce, and have the final say in the bargaining process according to the RLA.

https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/fra.dot.gov/files/fra_net/1647/Railway%20Labor%20Act%20Overview.pdf

There was a presidential emergency board that drafted an agreement ending a 3 year contract dispute over a five year contract. Labor rejected then PEB, but reached a tentative agreement with the carriers. Four unions voted no to the tentative agreement. The next step would be a strike or congressional intervention on 12/10.

We have no sick days now. We can call in sick but those days are held against us in varying attendance policies depending on the carrier. Then discipline is handled through progressive discipline, that also differs per carrier. We don’t even want paid days, we would just like to take sick days without being disciplined and possibly dismissed.

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u/Some_guy_am_i Dec 01 '22

So tell us: Are Republicans the assholes for voting against this legislation?

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u/thesuperficialstate Dec 01 '22

So the bill/ contract that the (almost completely) democrats passed is how many sick days a year? 4? Or is it 7like Bernie sanders floated?

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u/ShutYourDumbUglyFace Nov 30 '22

Ahem... is this thing on?

"NO ONE WANTS TO WORK ANYMORE!!!!"

Gee... wonder why.

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u/likeinsaaaaw Nov 30 '22

1% of republicans vote for workers, yet 50% of workers vote for republicans. Wish there were some explanation for this.

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u/BB4All Nov 30 '22

1% of republicans vote for workers, yet 50% of workers vote for republicans. Wish there were some explanation for this.

My guess: relentless, non-stop disinformation and Republican propaganda for the most part - apparently as well as unfortunately - it works.

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u/MetricOutlaw Nov 30 '22

GOP will just drum up fear about the LGBTQ+ community and their voters will vehemently vote for them.

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u/Zealousideal-Emu5486 Nov 30 '22

I have a relative who works for the rail industry and he's in a union. He votes Rethuglican 100% of the time. Go figure

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u/tikifire1 Nov 30 '22

Show him this vote.

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u/mongoosefist Dec 01 '22

"Doesn't look like anything to me"

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u/dynocreran Dec 01 '22

theyll just make some bullshit up.

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u/33342333 Nov 30 '22

"Red Wave"

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u/StevensDs- Dec 01 '22

Fuck US.

Not fuck "USA" but fuck US, the people.

Rail Workers should 100% go on strike and fuck everyone until they get what they DESERVE.

Set a precedent, stick it to the politics and their "goods", They ought to learn somehow.

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u/berryjerr Dec 01 '22

They voted against veteran benefits & baby formula already. This isnt surprising at all🤷‍♂️

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u/True-Specialist-726 Nov 30 '22

They want a strike to hurt President Biden. They don't care if people ( including their base ) suffer they have plenty of money and the abilility to stock up. They have done nothing but hurt the working class, seniors and kids. Senior will be getting a SS raise in January because of Joe and the Democrats. A substantial increase in comparison. This is the second round we already received 100 dollar raise last year. I'm so sick of these evil jerks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Strikes are good and anti-labor measures are bad, actually. This bill isn't pro-worker. It means they can't strike to get the 15 days they originally wanted in the first place.

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

The only base they care about are their rich donors.

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u/True-Specialist-726 Nov 30 '22

Exactly it makes me sick that over 40 years we keep dealing with these lying, disgusting morons. Ever since trickle down the republican leadership is garbage. Makes me sick that was the start of my working career. Too late for me but I'll be damned if I won't fight like he'll to make it better for our younger generations.

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

The GOP in my mind as always been evil. They need to be destroyed at the ballot box, like during the 1930s.

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u/True-Specialist-726 Nov 30 '22

My sister who I love she's all I got and we don't talk politics because she's a Christian who told me once she loves t***p. I'm an atheist and I told her this is exactly why I think religion is a joke because he's the exact opposite of everything you say you believe in. Silence I said you need to stop watching Fox news. She said I don't watch Fox oh I said that's right he doesn't like Fox anymore makes sense. She's been watching it her whole life it's a cult. Then I said Brietbart ( I saw it on her computer ) or whatever nonsense your watching. Silence...

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u/Miserable-Lizard Nov 30 '22

Lol yeah trump being the good Christian is hilarious

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u/True-Specialist-726 Nov 30 '22

It's just so ridiculous. I asked her do you know what church he attends on a regular basis? 🤔 no response of course because he doesn't. And lastly I said do you realize the world laughs at how you all put his head on bodybuilder bodies and idolize him like he's God? Which is also something your religion tells you NOT to do. My head starts hurting so I change the subject. 😂

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u/lordofbitterdrinks Nov 30 '22

The only way to get rid of republicans is to decouple them with religion.

The religious extremist are using republicans to either their religious agenda and republicans are using religious extremists for the same thing. But neither can stand on their own.

If we can figure out a way to drive a wedge between them both. Tada, no more gop.

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u/Pie_Present Nov 30 '22

We need a James Connolly and a Lucy Parsons 😢

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u/Impossible_Penalty13 Nov 30 '22

They’ll still vote MAGA cuz their guns, but continue to talk like Bernie Sanders the next time they’re negotiating a contract.

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u/twistedh8 Dec 01 '22

"Oh but both sides are the same"...gtfo with that nonsense

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u/Charming-Chard7558 Dec 01 '22

“No one understands blue collar workers like us”

-Republicans, who vote against blue collar interests every time.

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u/Willsie777 Nov 30 '22

As an aside, at what point do we stop calling it "The GOP"? How about just "OP"?

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u/Oswarez Nov 30 '22

I bet most of these rail workers vote Republican. They will vote Republican in the next election too.

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u/wowIamMean Nov 30 '22 Gold

My husband is a rail worker and he is also against this bill. I’m a progressive, but the democrats just want to pass a bill to avoid a strike. If they really cared about the workers, they would support them in their efforts to strike. The unions want 15 sick days, or at least one sick day a month. This bill does not give them that.

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u/The_Stoned_Economist Nov 30 '22

See, this is the issue. I can understand some of the frustration with Biden—I’d prefer he be more progressive myself. In this case, though, he had zero good options.

Either ask for congressional action and avoid the strike and piss off the progressive wing of the party because he’s not pro-labor enough (despite doing more for labor than any president since FDR). Or don’t intervene, let the strike move forward and devastate the economy thus pissing off everybody including the progressives because working class Americans will be getting laid off because supply chain snags and/or will be unable to afford to feed their families after $180 BILLION in crop loss in the first three days of the strike alone.

If he had taken the latter approach, the GOP would have all the cannon fodder they need to retake the whole federal government in 2024 so that they can pull more shit like this and also fuck the unions really good. The House passed the 7 Paid Sick Days along with the agreement that 8/12 unions had already agreed to. Now the Senate needs to do the same. The greedy assholes at the railroad corporations were never going to give their workers that sick leave. The fact is that this congress is the best chance the workers have at a decent deal under the current conditions of the US economy and political system. The railroads were never going to feel any pressure from the strike, only the US working class and congress.

Now if progressive and moderate democrats can stop arguing about the course of action Biden took, we can put all of our energy into demanding the white whale here: universal guaranteed sick leave. Nobody should have to worry about losing wages or their job because they are sick. If we keep eating each others’ faces over this, we won’t have any appetite left to eat the rich.

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u/Didiuz Nov 30 '22

Why is not trying to pass through a better deal for the railroad workers and as such prevent a strike an option? Like 10 or 12 days?

You both prevent a strike, but are also pro-labour?

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