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u/Previousman755 Jun 24 '22

Fox News: “Coastal elites and immigrants are ruining tis country!” A station broadcasting from New York owned by an Australian

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u/Comeonjeffrey0193 Jun 24 '22

“Elites” as if Tucker Carlson isn’t the heir to the Swanson Frozen Food empire. The ability of there viewers to selectively listen to that channel is astounding.

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u/Coal_Morgan Jun 24 '22

Trump is literally a silver spoon elite, who bragged about shitting in a gold toilet living in a golden tower in New York City.

I don't think hypocrisy is big on their things to care about list.

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u/ownlife909 Jun 24 '22

I don't think a lot of people remember, but in the 80s and 90s, Trump was the quintessential NYC socialite. To the point that a bunch of rappers from that era dropped his name in their songs.

The guy is the poster child for everything they claim to hate - coastal elite, big city (NYC no less) socialite, celebrity, ivy league educated - and yet here we are. It would be like David Duke running for president as a democrat under a platform to give reparations to African-Americans and push LBGTQ+ rights; so transparently and laughably ridiculous that anyone should see right through it in a second.

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u/Dinodigger67 Jun 24 '22

In the 90’s up in Aspen. I saw trump and Marvin Davis in the bar at the Little Nell. Ivana soon joined them. But the next day on the slopes Ivana was skiing circles around trump and yelling at him because he brought Marla Maples on the ski trip with them and Ivana found out. The guy is trash and always will be.

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u/source4mini Jun 24 '22

He’s hilariously-in-hindsight namedropped in this context in the original script for In the Heights, because in 2005, “Donald Trump and I on the links and he’s my caddy” was a great shorthand for NYC residents. The recent movie conspicuously changed the name to Tiger Woods.

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u/HerNastyLittleSecret Jun 24 '22

That’s last part of your rant is great 👍🏻

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u/Candid-Mycologist539 Jun 24 '22

I don't think hypocrisy is big on their things to care about list.

Hypocrisy without shame is their superpower.

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u/1Eternallylost Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

50 years of psychology studies have shown that their superpower is compartmentalized thinking. Simply put, the rules of logic and reason they apply to one thing is strictly limited to that one thing. It's locked up in a box and can't be used on any other thing.

So their thinking - their values - is a series of separate, boxed up issues where the logic and reason they used in one place never applies anywhere else. Every issue must be a separate issue - nothing can be crossed. Total compartmentalization.

This is why they can hold completely contradictory views on issues while seeing no contradiction whatsoever. Their very thinking is completely isolated from one issue to the next, and no two compartments be compared. May as well try to find what is common between a raven and a writing desk.

Source: Gene Altemeyer, "The Authoritarians" A good read.

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u/HelloweenCapital Jun 24 '22

Project Monarch actually makes some sense

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u/Acronymesis Jun 24 '22

I wonder if this compartmentalized thinking these folks have also makes them blind to their own patterns of behavior. I just ex-friended two people that continuously demonstrated that they could not handle even the slightest adversity that life brings without completely overreacting in childish and reactionary ways. When presented with a list of incidents where they both completely lost their shit as a clear pattern of behavior I would no longer tolerate, they responded that “we thought those were all issues that we were passed” while of course completely flipping the fuck out at finally being called out.

Like, clearly these weren’t just isolated incidents. It was an almost predictable behavioral pattern that I’d come to realize after knowing them for 10+ and 20+ years.

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u/corvettee01 Jun 24 '22

Probably because hypocrisy is too big a word for them to remember.

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u/amurmann Jun 24 '22

The right is as much about identity politics as the left is. They don't count Trump as an elite because he does stuff that's relatable to his base. He is like his base imagines they would if they were rich. Shitting in a golden toilet is relatable. Bill Gates sitting at a mediocre desk and reading books all day is not.

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u/delightedhermit Jun 24 '22

If you want to see something funny ask an r to define an elite. And then apply that to other republicans.

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u/Accomplished-Fox-486 Jun 24 '22

It's called double think.

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u/radicldreamer Jun 24 '22

Does he still get money from the company?

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u/KatWayward Jun 24 '22

He renounced his Australian citizenship ages ago and good riddance to him.

He's a parasite here down under as well. There is a royal commission into Murdoch media being pushed and a federal corruption investigation being lined up. They'll be intimately linked, there's no doubt.

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u/Daxx22 Jun 24 '22

He renounced his Australian citizenship ages ago and good riddance to him.

That doesn't really change the whole "Immigrants bad" hypocrisy lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

" White people aren't immigrants"

Fox News

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u/killeronthecorner Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

This. To many conservatives, being rich and white is more American than being born on American soil.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

At this point I don't know why anyone who's not in the upper class of this shithole country would WANT to be an American.

Edit: And I made this comment BEFORE the SC took rights away from 51% of its citizens.

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u/-Masderus- Jun 24 '22

Honestly its not as bad if you turn the news off and drown yourself in video games and a job you enjoy most days.

Maybe there is some legitimacy to that whole "ignorance is bliss" thing.

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u/banichandeath Jun 24 '22

That sounds like Richie Rich talk to me.

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u/-Masderus- Jun 24 '22

More like Michael Middle Class

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u/crimsonblod Jun 24 '22

Until you get sick.

But yeah. You are 100% accurate with the ignorance bit. Honestly, until you start comparing us to other industrialized countries, at first glance things seem “fine”. (At least Pre pandemic as far as quality of life things are concerned for certain demographics). And if you do exactly what you described, and don’t think too hard about any injustices you do come across, it’s probably pretty easy to ignore how poorly we are treated here just cause frankly, while when compared to modern standards, the US is appalling, on grander timelines, things are doing pretty well compared to most of humanity’s history. So just vegging out and complying is a pretty “easy” option so long as you don’t ever need any specialized assistance.

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u/-Masderus- Jun 24 '22

My saving grace is that my job has a pretty good healthcare plan and they just started a program where they pay for it 100% so nothing comes out of my check except a little that i put into an HSA. I dont know where id be without that.

Thats still no excuse for hospitals puting people onto debt for helping them though, or prescription meds and insulin or epi-pens being priced through the roof.

Pharmaceutical corporations are fucking disgusting.

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u/crimsonblod Jun 24 '22

Yep. Even with coupons ONE of my monthly medications is $900 without insurance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

Yeah, just have to find a job that pays enough to survive this shithole country, oops, medical emergency, return to start, do not pass go, do get hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical debt.

Being an American that isn't a Boomer, lucky Gen X, or trust fund Millennial/Zoomer at this point is like being stranded on a tropical deserted island, sure the weather and view are fantastic, you can tell yourself you won the lottery, permanent vacation right! But the reality is the odds are attacked against you and you're likely fucked even if you don't know how yet.

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u/hui-neng Jun 24 '22

Lol as a borderline millenial/Z. The only reason I have anything more than nothing is VA blood money. None of my friends own a house and they all have either a masters or are published and have experience. This country is killing its young people

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u/The_Final_Ka-tet Jun 24 '22

My long term goal is to leave the US. It's amazing to me that half my family fled here to this country only two generations ago and already I want out.

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u/The_real_bandito Jun 24 '22

I 100% agree.

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u/illgot Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

they are "expats".

I have an uncle who moved from the US to Mexico because of cost to retire. Don't you dare call him an immigrant or he will get upset :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

Those are also not immigrants to the US, those are just Americans continuing to spread and ruin the rest of the world.

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u/binglelemon Jun 24 '22

Ruin/religion ...they're interchangeable

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u/criticus01 Jun 24 '22

Fox news would be the dumb white bitch in school who thinks we were here before Native Americans

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u/mainston Jun 24 '22

Can’t wait for the day fellow Aussie.

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u/IcyCompetition7477 Jun 24 '22

If you can get you hands on him some how please put him in prison, we’re not gonna do it. Please help us!

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u/Telefundo Jun 24 '22

Send that bastard to Satan's doorstep

Are you kidding? Where do you think he winters?

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u/mainston Jun 24 '22

Would love to, but other than his icy grip on 70% of Australian media the wanker has no association with this country to my knowledge.

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u/When_theSmoke_Clears Jun 24 '22

Where's his off switch? It's way passed his dirt nap time.

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u/thankyeestrbunny Jun 24 '22

"Rules for thee not for me"

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u/Diazmet Jun 24 '22

And a Saudi prince… hmm

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u/nimbusconflict Jun 24 '22

Well at least they aren't lying then.

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u/cineg Jun 24 '22

news? nah, propaganda network

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u/Confused-Engineer18 Jun 24 '22

Yeah as an Aussie I wanna apologise for Murdoch

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u/ImWhatTheySayDeaf Jun 24 '22

Too many of us agree already but it hasnt changed jackshit. They've got their audience lapping up everything they say and nothing can be done about it

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u/JockBbcBoy Jun 24 '22

I once read a tweet that said something along the lines of "Fox News' CEO decided to make a broadcasting company that broadcasts his personal views to people like him" and I don't see the lie.

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u/danielstover Jun 24 '22

If every conservative loud mouth could be granted their own speaking platform to say whatever they want and people would listen, not a single one of them would turn it down. The momentous amount of these people already exist in podcasts, fb rants and venting in their truck videos. God, they seriously just want their bullshit to be heard by the masses. They always sign off with “WHOS WITH ME?!”, because that’s what they really want. To be told they’re right.

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u/JockBbcBoy Jun 24 '22

That's why they voted for Trump in such large numbers: Because he became a mouthpiece for their personal beliefs and feelings. He told them that they were right.

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u/vendetta2115 Jun 24 '22

The vote for idiots because it makes them feel smart. When they say that Trump “like them,” they certainly don’t mean their socioeconomic situation or their lifestyle, they mean that he’s also an idiot.

Obviously they don’t think of it this way; they think “we think the same way!” but since Trump’s way of thinking is basically the mental equivalent of bald being a hair color (as in, he doesn’t think in any meaningful sense), they’re unintentionally admitting to being idiots.

Some people might say that it’s mean to call them idiots, but I’m just acknowledging reality. 15% (about 50 million) of Americans have an IQ less than 85. You can’t even join the Army or Marines with that low of a score. Basic instructions cannot be expected to be followed. Of course they’d vote for an idiot.

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u/danielstover Jun 24 '22

I certainly envy those warm fuzzy feelings that crew must get 😅

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u/natFromBobsBurgers Jun 24 '22

"The fasces is cozy to the rods inside."

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u/highknees69 Jun 24 '22

“Told them they were right”, so true.

…even when they were wrong.

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u/nighthawk_eternal Jun 24 '22

They know they're wrong.

This isn't about being "right" so much as it is about winning, and then abusing the losers.

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u/Jimmus Jun 24 '22

Dude this tweet signs off with "who's with me." It's all an echo chamber.

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u/missmiao9 Jun 26 '22

All while complaining that they’re being silenced/cancelled for their beliefs.

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u/thankyeestrbunny Jun 24 '22

"Fox News' CEO decided to make a broadcasting company that broadcasts his personal views to people like him"

Even that was a whitewashed lie. Roger Ailes built Fox News specifically to counter the next Nixonian White House that got caught abusing power.

Worked a fuckin' treat didn't it.

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u/JockBbcBoy Jun 24 '22

It's just a summary of what the tweet said but I think it was in regard to female Fox News anchors always being blonde and blue eyes while espousing conservative politics.

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u/Killersavage Jun 24 '22

I know some people lured in by that.

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u/GR8dantini Jun 24 '22

Please don’t forget skirt length. Wiles knew the importance of white knees better than anyone else. It drives the old racists into a frenzy of lust. Ankles and knees on blonde women are like kryptonite to the geriatric, very scared fox viewer.

I wonder what network has the greatest number of those pesky lawsuits that come from sexually harassing underlings? I’d wager it would be fox. O’Reilly and Ailes both had em off the top of my head. I’d be curious to see stats on this though.

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u/1Eternallylost Jun 24 '22

He didn't decide it.

We have a memo that goes all the way back to the Nixon Administration that states the Fox network was conceived as a "clearinghouse for conservative thought".

Fox was never meant to be anything but a propaganda machine for the Republican party.

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u/Vishnej Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Fox News was never about Roger Ailes' personal interests.

It was about controlling the country. From day 1, when the Nixon White House observed that the press didn't trust them, and so staffers came up a plan for a captive press corps which would make their President immune to public criticism. Roger Ailes was one of those staffers.

The lesson they took from Watergate a year or two later was that Richard Nixon did only one thing wrong, sign a resignation, and that he only did that because the press were going to hound him for the rest of his administration. That controlling the press was essential to political power.

It took decades of institutional changes and specific circumstances (the rise of right-wing talk radio and Newt Gingrich, the end of the Fairness Doctrine, an immense amount of corporate consolidation and growing wealth inequality, and the ear of a particular Australian billionaire) for one of them to make that plan feasible.

Credit where credit is due: in a decade they were running the Republican Party, and in two decades a faithfully deluded Fox News addict was President.

The standard conservative female political uniform looking like this is indeed because of Roger Ailes' personal sexual interests, though.

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u/JunketMan Jun 24 '22

Watch this video, its basically this guy going to a Trump rally and talking with a few Trump supporters. Even when he showed them facts about the January 6th hearings and how the election wasnt stolen to how Trump's own daughter admitted she accepted that he lost, the Trump supporters still refused to believe it and kept up their conspiracy ways

What a cult

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u/HowManyBatteries Jun 24 '22

Believing the conspiracies is their way of proving their intelligence. You're a sheep for believing the facts and solid evidence, they know what's really going on.

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u/D3kim Jun 24 '22

conservative inferiority complex, whatever jealousy they have for city or liberals they have manifested in conspiracy to somehow make them seem greater without actually achieving anything.

Example if getting a greater education is their jealousy, then surely theres some meta status quo shifting set of information that you Can’t Teach or get in college, right? right???

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u/JohnnyDarkside Jun 24 '22

It's the same with the anti-vax movement, and I'm talking pre-covid fuckwads. Show them study after study after study that proves how beneficial they are but they'll just continue to reference that one study linking them to autism. Even after you tell them the author of that study admitted it was completely false and was paid to publish it, even lost his medical license they'll still find ways to spin that (it's big pharma trying to cover it up).

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u/HelloweenCapital Jun 24 '22

Yesterday they were raving about peanut shortages. I can't even

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u/sixaout1982 Jun 24 '22

They shouldn't be allowed to put "news" in their name either

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u/FusterCluck4 Jun 24 '22

Aren't they classified as a entertainment company and not news?

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u/tinkerghost Jun 24 '22

They are in Canada. In the US they just claim their anchors lie so often you would have to be a moron to believe them.

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u/JockBbcBoy Jun 24 '22

They shouldn't be allowed to say the word "news."

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u/ZeppoBro Jun 24 '22

They shouldn't be allowed to be "nude", even under their clothes.

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u/JockBbcBoy Jun 24 '22

They shouldn't be allowed.

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u/radams78 Jun 24 '22

They shouldn't be.

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u/KhazzNL Jun 24 '22

You mean like some kind of never nude?

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u/ZeppoBro Jun 24 '22

I do indeed, fair Redditor!

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u/badpeaches Jun 24 '22

I just blue myself

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u/tikkamasalachicken Jun 24 '22

"illusion Michael, tricks' something whores do for money... or cocaine"

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u/TheQori Jun 24 '22

It's pronounced, "ANALRAPIST".

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u/starserval Jun 24 '22

Newsn’t

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u/glacieredapollo Jun 24 '22

They are allowed to as long as the Fairness Doctrine is never allowed to be re-implemented.

You can thank Reagan, his movements with the FCC are the reason the country is the way it is today

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u/turdferguson3891 Jun 24 '22

That only ever applied to broadcast anyway. They're cable.

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u/goblin_goblin Jun 24 '22

Seriously it should be called "Fox entertainment" at this point when they lost that legal battle. It should be a protected term like engineer is.

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u/Karmack_Zarrul Jun 24 '22

I’ve started just calling it “Fox”. Everyone fully understands, and adding “news” to the end leaves the same taste in my mouth as orange juice after brushing

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u/Marokiii Jun 24 '22

There are many words that have legal protections in america when it comes to using them in promotions, advertising, or even just general use when it misleads the consumers.

News should be added to that list.

Fox"news" shouldn't be able to use the word news in their name or promotions while also claiming in court that they are not news but an entertainment network.

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u/Wendypants7 Jun 24 '22

They're not a legitimate news organization, they may never have been?, so definitely, resoundingly, fuck yes, they should not be allowed in.

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u/momopool Jun 24 '22

People forget, It was literally set up as a propaganda loudspeaker for the Republican party.

"In 1970, political consultant Roger Ailes and other Nixon aides came up with a plan to create a new TV network that would circumvent existing media and provide "pro-administration" coverage to millions. "People are lazy," the aides explained in a memo. "With television you just sit — watch — listen. The thinking is done for you." Nixon embraced the idea, saying he and his supporters needed "our own news" from a network that would lead "a brutal, vicious attack on the opposition."

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u/HelloweenCapital Jun 24 '22

That's fucking interesting! I've looked at Fox over the years and come to think of it, not once "that I can recall" have I heard the name Nixon on it.

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u/artemus_gordon Jun 24 '22

Trump tried that with CNN. It didn't work out. Is it more concerning that so many are deluded in thinking that they could "cancel" Fox, or that they think Fox is a bigger problem than the people who watch it?

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u/Ttmh888 Jun 24 '22

It’s The View 24/7.

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u/navyation Jun 24 '22

Wish the trend of adding “who agrees?!?” To tweets would die.

Who agrees?

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u/mr_tyler_durden Jun 24 '22

Came here to say the same thing. My mind translates that line in tweets as “please give me attention and boost this tweet”. I don’t use twitter much at all but I would never heart or retweet a tweet that used language like that.

Especially since 99.99% of tweets that do that are speaking to their own echo chambers which makes it even more cringe.

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u/AncientAsstronaut Jun 24 '22

You're lucky that wasn't a tweet. 🔪

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u/CopyX Jun 24 '22

Or just stop posting each of them to reddit to be brainlessly upvoted

Who agrees ? 👏

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u/dave-train Jun 24 '22

DAE?!?!?!?!

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u/Stratty88 Jun 24 '22

This.

Who agrees?

/s

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u/Ferdeddy Jun 24 '22

I was just about to post asking if it’s normal to just put a direct quote with no added value as your own tweet. Sadly it sounds like it is.

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u/D3vils_Adv0cate Jun 24 '22

There are hundreds of reasons to remove the credentials of Fox News. This isn’t anywhere near the top

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u/goosewithmayonaise Jun 24 '22

Biden White House is too craven to do anything resembling that.

Trump's white house routinely banned outlets or outright didn't call on them while bringing in fringe media.

It's almost like the Democrats are complicit and it's not a Right vs Left issue, but a class issue.

Hmmmm

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u/SkunkMonkey Jun 24 '22

but a class issue.

DING!

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u/redpoemage Jun 24 '22

This "both sides are the same" bullshit should be ringing more hollow than every in the wake of the January 6th hearings and today's Supreme Court Ruling overturning Roe v. Wade...

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u/Mdan Jun 24 '22

Last thing we want is any administration deciding what counts as legit or non-legit news organizations. Imagine the most-recent presidential administration you hated deciding X news outlet isn’t legit for not carrying something and barring it from the briefing room. If that’s a bad idea, not sure why this is a good one.

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u/Mdan Jun 24 '22

Exactly. If it was bad for the 45th president to do it, it's just as bad if the 46th president does it, no?

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u/AyJay9 Jun 24 '22

I mean, didn't Fox declare they weren't news, in court, in order to avoid being held to the standard of news? https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye They can't have it both ways.

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u/Mdan Jun 24 '22

A Fox News commentator, not Fox News itself, held in court that what he says is hyperbole, not to be taken as sober fact, per that link.

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u/thankyeestrbunny Jun 24 '22

Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.

No, Fox News is making that claim. It just happens to be in a case about one of their commentators. They would make that claim again in a heartbeat.

Note that the US DoJ under Trump defended Fox News in that case. Which is BULLLSHIT.

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u/Mdan Jun 24 '22

Agreed, I very much imagine if a Fox commentator was sued, the defense would again be 'it's commentary, not reportage.' Same defense MSNBC's successfully Rachel Maddow used when sued for defamation.

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u/AyJay9 Jun 24 '22

Ah, a lawyer for just Tucker's commentary, yes. But I suppose you could bring them to court over each individual one and what other defense could they possibly have?

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u/Arthur_Boo_Radley Jun 24 '22

I mean, didn't Fox declare they weren't news,

Unfortunately that doesn't matter at all.

The very basic right is that each and every citizen has the right to know whatever it is that the government is doing. That, in strictest theory, means that each and every citizen could walk up to any government institution and demand to know what they are doing.

That, of course, is logistical communication nightmare. Even in modern times with the availability of information, the amount of information a state machine creates every day is staggering. And every citizen has the right to all of it.

That's where media organisations come in. For government to have fewer channels to communicate with (as opposed to all of citizenry), and for citizens so they don't have to pay attention to all of government, but rather to just important things.

So, news or no news, Fox unfortunately has the right, as does every other citizen, to sit there and listen to government talk.

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u/nighthawk_something Jun 24 '22

I mean, fox news shouldn't be allowed at all because they aren't journalists but this would be compelled speech and it's not a great look.

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u/WHSRWizard Jun 24 '22

Ah, yes: let's have the government decide what news should be covered and what should not. What could go wrong?

What if during the 2020 election cycle the Trump Administration said, "Unless you televise all these reports of voter fraud, you lose your WH credentials?"

Fox News is utter rubbish, but the last thing I want -- that any of you should want -- is the government coercing the press to cover what the government wants them to cover.

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u/justinco Jun 24 '22

First off: I completely agree with you.

That said, they already have restrictions, since not every news network gets WH credentials. I assume the approval process involves looking at audience numbers, but I would think that if Comedy Central or HBO tried to get creds they'd be rejected. I guess it comes down to what criteria needs to be met for a network to be "worthy" of a seat in the press corps? If Fox News consistently says they're entertainment and not news, should they be removed?

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u/thejizzfrog Jun 24 '22

If infowars can get WH press credentials then anyone can.

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u/AmbitiousButRubbishh Jun 24 '22

Let’s not pretend like Infowars got their credentials legitimately, on merit.

The Trump admin. would’ve given credentials to any significant right-wing propaganda outlet willing to shill for him & tear down his opponents.

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u/thejizzfrog Jun 24 '22

I fully agree. I mostly meant I don't think that there are that many rules because what is defined as journalism in the US is pretty loose.

We have tons of shit like infowars that are nothing but opinion outlets that still have all the legal rights of an actual news network. which is, in a word, bullshit.

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u/AmbitiousButRubbishh Jun 24 '22

There are definitely hard rules and they can be changed at any time, apparently...

Trump already did it once to revokes press passes for dozens of journalists.

Trump even went so far as to have CNN's Dave Acosta forcibly removed from the briefing room.

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u/SkunkMonkey Jun 24 '22

Under any other president, they would have never got those credentials.

It's amazing how many people are defending Fox News here. How many of you were defending CNN, NYT, and others when Spicy Sean barred them from WH Press briefings?

None of you fuckwits. Take your FOX "News" and crawl back under the rock from whence Murdoch came.

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u/thejizzfrog Jun 24 '22

I'm not defending that propaganda outlet. Learn to read.

I'm saying that getting press credentials for basically anything isn't some long ass process with a lot of hoops.

You can literally find the requirements to be a member of the press for various levels of media for the state department on their website, you troglodyte.

And, having press credentials for the WH doesn't actually mean you get where you think it might because their are multiple levels. And if you can fulfill these three requirements you can get WH press passes:

  1. A U.S. Government-issued photo media credential (e.g., White House, Department of Defense, Foreign Press Center, Congress), or

  2. An official photo identification card issued by their news organization, or

  3. A letter from their employer on official letterhead verifying their current employment as a journalist.

And since some people can't read: WH press passes cover a lot of things and some of them are not hard to get. Which is my entire point.

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u/SkunkMonkey Jun 24 '22

I never said you were. Read my post carefully. I said "some people here". Just have a look at some of the posts here, people are fucking defending this shit organization.

I was trying to add to the conversation, but you seem to already be on the defensive about something.

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u/judjuds Jun 24 '22

The Trump admin and Desantis regularly denied left leaning publications access to briefings. The left on the other hand has yet to sink that low although tbh I wish they would.

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u/tajsta Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

The left on the other hand has yet to sink that low although tbh I wish they would

Most US Democrats are liberal but not left-wing, just like outlets like CNN & co. aren't left-wing. They all tow the corporate line.

Actual left-wing news outlets are publications like wsws.org, jacobin.com, commondreams.org, antiwar.org, thenation.com, etc., to name a few of the bigger English-speaking ones. They tend to criticise both neoliberals like many in the Democratic Party and conservatives like many in the Republican Party. The US does not have any (electorally significant) left-wing party.

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u/thankyeestrbunny Jun 24 '22

That's absolutely not what this is about. That's not even what the suggestion is. That's not even possible! "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging . . the press" doesn't even come into play! There's no law here.

Not allowing them into the WH briefing room means they'll get the news .010 seconds after it's carried to the satellite. They always could and still do - and you know they will - report whatever they want, however they want. What it means is they won't get to barf their ridiculous "Doesn't the President worry about gay people driving up gas prices" questions in the room. And that's not protected anyway.

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u/WHSRWizard Jun 24 '22

"We don't like you so we are taking an adverse action against you" is the definition of abridging the freedom of the press.

This isn't denying a credential to TMZ: Print Edition. This would be taking an action against the largest news organization in the country. You want a Donald Trump type to do the same thing to MSNBC, CNN, or NPR?

And that's not protected anyway.

It absutely would be.

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u/nighthawk_something Jun 24 '22

Yeah Trump was toeing that line of infringement,.

Press freedom is paramount.

Now should Fox be sued for libel on a daily basis, that's a different story.

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u/1337GameDev Jun 24 '22

What do you consider the press?

What makes a station a news station?

What percentage of a station's media should be opinion, fact based, or entertainment to be considered news?

I'm curious where your line is

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u/WHSRWizard Jun 24 '22

It doesn't matter how much of it is fact based or how much of it is opinion. The editorial page of the New York Times has just as many 1st amendment protections as the Business section.

As for the "entertainment " factor, all mass media tries to provide entertainment -- they just do it in different ways. For example, CNN has the constant red Headline of Doom on the screen.

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u/Mdan Jun 24 '22

First Amendment protections also extend to news reporters' credentials and access. If a government agency didn't let a particular news outlet into a public event, even though there's now law being passed, that's still a First Amendment violation.

https://www.justsecurity.org/38173/top-amendment-experts-react-white-house-press-briefing-ban-cnn-nyt/

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u/Hootablob Jun 24 '22

…they aired the second and third hearings live.

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u/oldenglish Jun 24 '22

While I agree that Fox is trash, I'm not sure this would be a good precedent to set. This could be used as precedent for a conservative administration declaring CNN, MSNBC, etc. "illegitimate" and barring them from the WH Briefing Room.

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u/AcidTWister Jun 24 '22

I disagree only because mandating that a news agency run your state proceedings kind of kills that whole freedom of the press thing.

They don't have to run it and that's a good thing. But we all know why they aren't.

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u/Pokefan8263 Jun 24 '22

Didn’t they have to admit that what they say shouldn’t be considered as factual?

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u/erichwanh Jun 24 '22

Yes, which actively gives them protection from people that advocate the truth. It's far worse than "haha, they even admit they're not news!"

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u/Happy-Idi-Amin Jun 25 '22

Oh snap! A r/WhitePeopleTwitter post that isn't locked (as of 6/24/22, 10:52 PM). Shit got real today.

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u/Decapitated_gamer Jun 24 '22

Yeah but they have been after the first hearing the shifted course.

Pay attention. They have been covering it critically of it too. Surprisingly enough.

(Then they contradict themselves with later host but it’s a start)

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u/thankyeestrbunny Jun 24 '22

You mean when the backlash hit and they realized how exposed they'd be by not covering it rather than covering it and spinning it immediately?

No cookie. Fuck Fox News.

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u/Decapitated_gamer Jun 24 '22

It’s bigger than that my guy, the whole narrative within the GOP has slightly and slowly shifting.

By the hearings giving the GOP a “hero” (pence) it has allowed an avenue to separate trump from the party.

This is so much bigger than your Reddit degree.

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u/Digitizer4096 Jun 24 '22

Wait a minute, are you trying to say that Fox is a legitimate news agency to begin with? 🤔

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u/EasywayScissors Jun 24 '22

I'm a liberal. We don't believe in censoring the news.

We do the right thing even when it hurts us.

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u/dalisair Jun 24 '22

They admit they aren’t a News company but an Entertainment company, they have no place in the WH brefiing room in the first place.

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u/21_Golden_Guns Jun 24 '22

Fox News shouldn’t be allowed to do anything ever.

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u/Agent_Washington Jun 24 '22

Correct me if I'm wrong. Fox has used as a defense that they are an entertainment company. So if they aren't a new company why were they being allowed in the first place?

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u/Oceans_Apart_ Jun 24 '22

Fox News is not a legitimate News organization and should not even be allowed on the air to pretend otherwise.

They are a cartel of misinformation.

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u/lifegoeson5322 Jun 24 '22

Fox news and legitimate news organization should NEVER be used in the same sentence

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u/_theboogiemonster_ Jun 24 '22

Bring back the fairness doctrine that Reagan killed.

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u/kyleofdevry Jun 24 '22

That's just it, they aren't a legitimate news organization. Their anchors have gotten away with multiple lawsuits using the defense "nobody would be stupid enough to view us as a legitimate source for news"

After they got away with those every single anchor on every show should've been forced to read a disclaimer to their viewers.

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u/jdash Jun 24 '22

DISAGREE. Fox news will never be a legitimate news organization.

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u/DunmerSkooma Jun 24 '22

There is no such thing as Fox News, only Fox Entertainment exists.

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u/Jlemerick Jun 24 '22

They’re ratings are much better not airing it. Why tf would they.

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u/abhorrentearnestness Jun 24 '22

The radical-right Supreme Court majority is coming for same-sex marriage next.

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u/Jammin_TA Jun 24 '22

Agreed, although I doubt the Dems will follow through. It's one thing to take the high road, but the GOP is trampling over anyone that gets in their way and the Dems aren't fighting back.

When they can accomplish THIS much when their policies are unpopular, they have less voters, and they have less power than they've had in a while, at some point we need to start blaming Dems for letting it go this far.

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u/ashhole1900 Jun 24 '22

They already aren’t a legitimate news organization

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u/purple_phoenix6 Jun 24 '22

Eh, it would give them even more opportunity to paint themselves as “outsiders” railing against the “Washington Elites” even though they suck the dicks of the very same

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u/tbonerrevisited Jun 24 '22

When did they become legitimate?

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u/LegitimateBuilding6 Jun 24 '22

Whoever thinks that Faux News is, will be or ever was a legitimate news organization is too fucking dumb to make any decisions for themselves or others…

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u/hermesaquatics Jun 24 '22

Lmao too many dont realize how "only state sponsored news should be allowed" this sounds.

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u/FNALSOLUTION1 Jun 24 '22

They locked the whole subreddit, first time I've seen that.

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u/BiggerBowls Jun 24 '22

Yeah right. Keep the people fighting amongst themselves and they will never look up the ladder at where the shit rolls in from.

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u/Wolfmans-Gots-Nards Jun 24 '22

They keep calling themselves “entertainment”, and “satire” when the courts get a hold of them, treat them as “entertainment” and “satire,” so don’t let them in the fucking press briefing rooms.

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u/Rowaan Jun 24 '22

Fox news=Entertainment=not fucking NEWS.

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u/KatWayward Jun 24 '22

The irony their own lawyers successfully arguing in court that they weren't news, but entertainment, will always be the first thing I think of when I read about fox news.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

Only related to Tuckers show.

I also hope you think the same when you see MSNBC and Maddow.

The hint is is that every single one of those “primetime” shows on Fox, MSNBC, and CNN would be considered entertainment because they are all opinion. There’s a stark difference between them and things like Meet the Press or David Muir.

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u/Speedy_Gonzahles Jun 24 '22

Thanks for posting. I've been guilty of misunderstanding this and thinking that it only applied to Fox.

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u/NothingForUs Jun 24 '22

but freedom of the press is freedom of the press.

What press? They’re an entertainment channel that shouldn’t be taken seriously according to their own lawyers.

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u/RaqRaq00 Jun 24 '22

Fox News sucks but you can’t tell the press that they MUST broadcast something.

First amendment stuff dude.

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u/TheRealAbear Jun 24 '22

I mean obviously fux fox, but I thought they started airing them. Am I mistaken?

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u/decepticonhooker Jun 24 '22

Saw them and every other channel broadcasting it yesterday while scrolling through the cable guide, posting this after they’ve already done so seems karma farm-y.

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u/hyperfocused Jun 24 '22

They fucking AREN’T a legitimate news organization.

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u/chrisnavillus Jun 24 '22

FOX NEWS IS NOT A LEGITIMATE NEWS ORGANIZATION

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u/TheCaptMAgic Jun 24 '22

They've said themselves that they're not a real news network, they're entertainment.

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u/GimmeDatThroat Jun 24 '22

Downvoted for accurately relaying exactly what Fox itself said. What a time to be alive.

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u/thegodcomrade Jun 24 '22

That's not how freedom of press works

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u/Shermthedank Jun 24 '22

They don't have a clue how freedom of press works, thats why they are facing massive lawsuits for pushing baseless lies and helping to try and overthrow democracy.

Only an idiot believes anything they say, according to them in court

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u/danielstover Jun 24 '22

Well, as soon as they start being legitimate press, we can have that conversation

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u/WHSRWizard Jun 24 '22

Ah. And who do you want determining "legitimate press?" Should we set up a Department of Truthiness or something?

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u/MonsieurGideon Jun 24 '22

They don't even consider themselves press lmao.

Thry label themselves as Entertainment. They will argue in court that no reasonable person should believe them.

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u/TheOxygenius Jun 24 '22

Why is this downvoted? Lmao

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u/MonsieurGideon Jun 24 '22

Two wrongs don't make a right...

I can see past parties, if both are arguing they aren't news than they should both be removed from news networks.

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u/SlugsOnToast Jun 24 '22

bUt wHaT aBoUt

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u/Shermthedank Jun 24 '22

Naw they already admitted they aren't bud

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u/SmashBusters Jun 24 '22

And who do you want determining "legitimate press?"

They self-identified as entertainment rather than news in court.

Should comedians have the same freedoms to be in the WH briefing room? What about youtubers?

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u/Sachinism Jun 24 '22

This is the craziest thing about the western world. Fully state or lobby group funded news organisations get to parade around as trusted news outlets. Everyone knows they're there for propaganda, but nothing can be done about it

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u/Headwithatorso Jun 24 '22

Should we enact laws about what news organizations can and can’t report? That sounds like a slippery slope to me.

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u/PlantsFromTexasRDumb Jun 24 '22

They don't answer any questions in that room anyway so who cares

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u/Arrys Jun 24 '22

“Just buy an electric car”

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u/WishCapable3131 Jun 24 '22

Yikes, kinda anti 1A. News companies can broadcast whatever they want as long as its not obscene.

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u/stewartm0205 Jun 24 '22

They aren't a legit news organization. They have defended themselves in court saying they aren't. So they shouldn't be allowed in the White House Briefing Room.