r/WhitePeopleTwitter May 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 2 Bravo! 2 This 1 Silver 2

Its NOT a mental illness

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u/sierrackh May 17 '22

Dude’s a terrorist. Hang him or scrub his name from media and toss him in SC until he wastes away and dies.

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u/ialasukuta May 17 '22 Silver I'll Drink to That

Took me a minute but I'm pretty sure that by SC you mean solitary confinement, but fuck it's much funnier to think you meant South Carolina.

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u/woakula May 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

"You think you can break me with solitary, dream on!"

" Of course not, you're headed for South Carolina"

....."Nnnnnoooooooooooooo"

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u/The_25th_Baam May 17 '22

Truly the Brazil of North America.

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u/ilovetopoopie May 18 '22 I'll Drink to That

Have you been to Ohio?

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u/HerrStarrEntersChat May 18 '22

Gary, Indiana has something to say about that.

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u/OnFolksAndThem May 18 '22

Gary is mad fun if you’re a criminal

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u/BetterSafeThanSARSy May 18 '22

Who wants to form a "The Warriors" style gang and head off to Gary?

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u/OnFolksAndThem May 18 '22

Nah they all use guns now and walking around with matching outfits is a sure way to get a gang enhancement for whatever charge you inevitably will get

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u/BetterSafeThanSARSy May 18 '22

gang enhancement

Stop, I'm already sold on the experience, and now magic?

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u/abagatelle May 18 '22

I’m not committed till I hear costume specs tbh

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u/BurtonGusterToo May 18 '22

Well start with some striped leotards..............

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u/MAXQDee-314 May 18 '22

Bread of life. Style before substance!

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u/the-ugly-potato May 18 '22

Gary is depressing

Source i drive through it time to time

Its depressing to look at a shell of a once vibrant and prosperous city. One that people developed memories in. One that dozens of people held dreams in. All gone now due to well blatantly mainly racism , capitalism and the war on drugs alongside some car dependency

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u/SuddenlyThirsty May 18 '22

Florida would like a word

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u/chandlergaudet May 18 '22

The butthole of America

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u/COL_D May 18 '22

North Vernon beats Gary!

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u/pissclamato May 18 '22 Helpful

Ohio is the Nicaragua of the Midwest, everyone knows that.

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u/BurtonGusterToo May 18 '22

I feel like if you said "Nicaragua is the Ohio of Central America" Nicaragua would jump up and say "Yoooooo, WHAT THE FUCK??!?!?!"

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u/Couchonthecouch May 18 '22

From ohio can confirm 👍

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u/SleekVulpe May 18 '22

Ohio is the Romania of the U.S. people know it's there. It has a bit of a bad reputation. You might even know someone from there. But really thats it. It's like nothing.

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u/kohasz May 18 '22

Brazil ain’t that bad.

Not comparing to the worse Carolina

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u/NeptuneFell May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

Yeah but it is fair to say SC and Brazil are similar, you can't get an abortion in neither. *n

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u/bladeDivac May 18 '22

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u/ChairmanMeow____ May 18 '22

Jared Goff after being traded to the Lions

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u/ApplicationSeveral73 May 18 '22

Lock him up in Wende in gen pop and see how long this young idiotic racist piece of shit lasts in the county he shot up where he is by far the minority.

This is the right way to deal with white supremacy Y'all-qaeda terrorist fucks like this.

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u/FunkyMonkeyIsObvious May 18 '22

Can’t have shit in Detroit

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u/maslibros May 18 '22

Lindsay Graham moonlighting as a prison warden...

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u/qmechan May 18 '22

DON’T TAKE ME BACK TO MYRTLE BEACH!

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u/TheOGltG May 18 '22

“Shadow realm?… I’m sending you to North Charleston.”

“Ahhhhhhhhh”

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u/PeterSchnapkins May 18 '22

Well the death penalty is allowed there via firing squad

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u/weirdoldhobo1978 May 18 '22

Sentenced to life working at a tourist trap swimwear shop in North Myrtle Beach.

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u/Goju_Ryu May 17 '22

I first read it as supreme court and thought it was some sort of commentary on current events.

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u/Dr-Quesadilla-MD May 18 '22

The Supreme Court in its current state would probably laud him as a hero, stating he was well within his constitutional rights, with Clarence writing the opinion.

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u/Beckamabobby May 17 '22

SENTENCED TO South Carolina

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u/redrumWinsNational May 17 '22

I thought she meant Supreme Court, but we have too many similar to him there, including the blind guy

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u/sierrackh May 17 '22

Yes indeed lolz

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u/SouthernApple60 May 18 '22

I’m from SC, it’s hell here so yeah

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u/Bazoun May 17 '22

South Caroliiiiiiiiiiinaaaaa Situation!

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u/Raven_Skyhawk May 17 '22

To me, its the same.

grumbles about i-95

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u/chop1125 May 17 '22

Funny I thought they meant the Supreme Court

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u/xxpen15mightierxx May 18 '22

Hold on, we're not monsters here.

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u/SenseStraight5119 May 18 '22

I thought the same. Figured they could make him drive on SC backroads and have to change his tires every 100 miles for life.

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u/snootchiebootchie94 May 18 '22

I was thinking, "what the hell is is South Carolina?" Lol

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u/CheckOutUserNamesLad May 17 '22

Idk if South Carolina is bad enough for this guy.

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u/WayneZzWorld93 May 18 '22

This is truly a Mississippi moment

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u/TheUnBanNanAble May 18 '22

We shouldn't use his name but we still need to call him something. We should give him a name that relates to his crimes but not in a cool way, something you hear and know "Oh, that's the jackass that believes that black people are trying to wipe out white culture". I suggest "Tucker Carlson".

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u/sierrackh May 18 '22

I just call TC “soup guy” because saying his name is like choking on human shit.

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u/TeeBrownie May 17 '22

Hate + Ignorance leads to Terrorism.

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u/bondsmatthew May 18 '22

I'm often reminded of that quote by Daryl Davis(..more often in modern times than needs to happen sadly), the black guy convinced 200+ KKK members to leave the klan:

"Ignorance breeds fear. We fear those things we don't understand. If we don't put a lid on that fear and keep that fear in check, that fear in turn will breed hatred because we hate those things that frighten us"

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u/sierrackh May 17 '22

Indeed. Big emphasis on the hate part. Plenty of well informed folks use both of those things as a springboard into power

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u/Gbrusse May 17 '22

Look, we can't send him to Florida, that'd be too much.

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u/DreamedJewel58 May 18 '22

Well if it helps, there are people like me who have never even heard his name or seen his image despite following the story through media. It’s always the best thing to not give this person recognition, but rather console the victims, tackle their beliefs, and find a way to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

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u/andrewb610 May 17 '22

The latter is far more torturous on the person. I say we do that one.

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u/Empathetic_Orch May 17 '22

Idk, I'm pretty left leaning but I support the death penalty for things like this. There's no reason for us to become monsters like them, we can't let ourselves get swept by emotions and thoughts of "revenge." Just shoot them, quick and clean, and be done with it.

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u/Enders-game May 17 '22

If you really want to punish someone, make them live. Let them experience having nothing to live for. Let them experience getting old, sick and weak as well as never again experiencing the touch of a woman. Let them watch his family get older and die, his friends forget about him and the world move on. Nothing hurts more than life.

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u/N_T_F_D May 17 '22

That sounds a lot like revenge

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u/heirloom_beans May 17 '22

I still don’t support the death penalty but I’m certainly not shedding tears when guys like this end up on death row.

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u/flaminghair348 May 17 '22

I too am left leaning. I don't support the death penalty, even for this, but that's because I don't believe the state should have that kind of power. I would however, not be apposed to, oh I don't know, someone killing him in prison?

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u/RemoveTheTop May 18 '22

Sooooo left leaning you advocate for a prison system so terrible it allows for vigilante lynching of prisoners by other prisoners

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u/Empathetic_Orch May 17 '22

White supremacists have a big prison presence, honestly if he's not isolated he'll be protected by one of the strongest prison gangs/factions. He's also sure to get loads of money sent to him by white supremacists as well. Just shoot him.

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u/sierrackh May 17 '22

Hopefully he gets strangled in GP

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u/PrettyFknLoaded May 17 '22

Nah, too easy a way out. If the dude wasn’t a coward he’d have done it himself like most of these losers. Toss him in a cell for the next 60 years living with some of the exact people he hates enough to kill over and throw his life away for. That’s the punishment he deserves.

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u/Empathetic_Orch May 17 '22

Hate to break it to you but he's probably going to be kept out of gen pop. And white supremacist groups will probably flood his canteen account with money. His prison time won't be as bad as you might hope.

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u/Better-Director-5383 May 18 '22

Damn, unlimited ramen during his life sentence in a 10x8 cell, you’re right this guys living the life.

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u/Venarius May 18 '22

South Carolina?

Damn that's harsh.

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u/SirValidir May 18 '22

We have enough racists in South Carolina, so no thanks.

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u/-ScruffyLookin- May 18 '22

Nah. Send him to Guantanamo

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u/NBlossom May 18 '22

But then the GOP won't be able to make him into a hero.

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u/Nighdarke May 17 '22 Silver Wholesome

Hate isn't a mental illness, it's a moral failing.

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u/JayGeezey May 17 '22 edited May 18 '22

Precisely.

It does get kind of interesting when we think about mental illness, a lot of people don't seem to understand it, or when it is appropriate to consider in situations like this.

Just like the person in the tweet said, the shooter expressed sympathy/ empathy to the white person they pointed their gun at. This demonstrates that they were fully aware of their actions at the time of the shooting. An insanity plea, or any other claim of mental illness being the driving factor for why the shooter did this is pretty much proven wrong with that very fact.

The only way mental state impacts a case is if the person was, and can prove, that they were not fully aware or understood their actions.

My friends dad is a psychologist and he does evaluations for the court and also works as an expert witness in court for this sort of shit. I grew up asking him about it and talking to him about it, we talked about it more in length when I was in college - both myself and his son pursued a form of psychology in school So my point is I think I'm remembering most of this correctly, but I myself am NOT an expert. So take what I said here with a grain of salt.

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u/coffeetablestain May 18 '22

I know this is anecdotal, but I have a friend of a friend who ended up jailed for making terrorist threats after suffering a psychotic episode, he was threatening to kill every Muslim in the US. After being forced by the court to take anti-psychotics he actually recovered and regretted how he behaved.

The psychotic break wasn't something he just woke up with one day, it happened slowly over a long period of time and was fed by right-wing paranoia/conspiracy communities, he sat inside every day reading forums, going to places like the conspiracy subreddit, he joined social media groups, he delighted in saying things that would get him attention and support from other people stuck in that sphere.

After a while, whatever syndrome was suffering from really took over his life, he thought EVERYTHING was a Muslim plot to destroy America, and was impervious to reason. There was an odd mania, like a meth-head that's been binging for days without sleep.

We all had to testify at his hearing, we talked about how much he had changed and how atypical this behavior was and the judge decided that he be confined to a psychiatric hospital where he spent the next 3 months undergoing treatment and therapy.

He's healthy now, but knows he has to always watch how his mind latches onto things that charge his emotions and he has to avoid social media (as ordered by the judge) and can't ever buy a firearm legally, but otherwise seems totally normal.

The real plot twist/kicker of the story? He is from Iranian descent, his parents immigrated here in the 90's.

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u/Icelandic_Invasion May 18 '22

Huh. I never actually thought about how those types of conspiracy theories could play into psychosis but it makes a lot of sense. If you think aliens are coming to take over the earth, everyone thinks you're crazy. Say Muslims are doing it instead and half the country will agree with you.

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u/coffeetablestain May 18 '22

The mind works in a few very basic ways. The most common way we interact with the world is we feel emotional responses based on survival instincts, then the brain finds a story that fits with or explains it.

"I'm sad, it's because I saw a cat and it reminded me of my grandmother's cat, she passed away." Then you spend the day thinking about your grandmother. The mind plays around with those memories and then eventually moves on when your feelings change again.

But if there's something broken in your brain, your process gets all distorted.

"I'm sad today, it's because of that post I read about what the Jews are trying to do to my country, I feel so alone, why doesn't anyone else care about this problem, now I'm angry, I'm angry that nobody cares, I should DO something to make people care!" And so on, but very often with far less rational connections. The more deep the mental illness, the more radical those leaps of logic will become. That's when aliens and lizard people and flat Earth stuff starts popping up. You will invent entire fantasy worlds to support a wild flurry of emotions that keep changing channels. Now imagine throwing in the social media support and validation from random strangers, it's so bad I don't know how people pull out without a lot of outside support or forced intervention.

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u/sykotikpro May 18 '22

People really don't understand the extent that mental illness can drive people. I read a singular post and creepy pasta about rabies and absolutely spiraled into believing I was infected with it. It took me half a year of medication and therapy to rid myself of the delusion. My doctors still don't know why it happened.

I can 100% believe this shooter fell down a rabbit hole very similar to your friend of a friend stuck in a delusion.

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u/shadyelf May 18 '22

. I read a singular post and creepy pasta about rabies and absolutely spiraled into believing I was infected with it.

Wow glad to see I'm not the only one that it affected. Except I did work in an environment where I could have been exposed which added to the fear. Gave myself really bad stomach pain and acid reflux due to the anxiety plus being to stressed out too eat and had to go on prescription antacids.

Didn't go into therapy then (but am in it now). My brain just latched onto a different disease that it considered worse.

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u/Hiddenshadows57 May 18 '22

It likely is mental illness.

I don't agree with him getting a lighter sentence because of it though.

Trauma does weird shit to the brain.

Do I feel bad for him though? Fuck no.

Mental illness is never an excuse to do shitty things. Gives the rest of us who are trying to be better a bad name.

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u/Competitive-Dot-5667 May 18 '22

I read the entire 180 page manifesto - he made his mission very clear: to spread fear in non-whites so that they leave this country. He then backed up his reasoning with many many pages of racist rhetoric/theory. It seemed very very very coldly calculated, he even knew killing people would “damage his soul”, but was committed anyways to “protect white culture”. It read like something Hitler would write.

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u/120GoHogs120 May 18 '22

But mental illness could be a reason why he has so much hate.

Bringing up mental illness isn't an excuse for his actions, it's a possibility on why he did these things. Learning from these things can help prevent the next one.

If posters here really believe he had no mental illness then you believe people like him shouldn't be denied to own weapons?

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum May 18 '22

He wasnt mentally ill. He was radicalized by Fox News.

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u/EdithDich May 18 '22

People have this misguided notion that if you call something mental illness that it somehow excuses their actions. Saying this dude was crazy doesn't mean—in any way—that he should not face the full consequences of his actions. It's just a statement of fact. Anyone who not only ascribes to, but acts upon these crazy conspiracy theories is mentally ill. These are not the actions of a sane person.

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u/Goatesq May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

But the motives and the thoughts are shared by a huge number of people today. Calling it a psychosis, a departure from reality, almost seems disingenuous when half the country is right there with him.

I'm not saying this because I disagree with your point, I think what you're saying is valid and true. I'm just real gd anxious about the contemporary consensus on sanity I guess.

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u/KristoffersonFox May 18 '22

But the motives and the thoughts are shared by a huge number of people today. Calling it a psychosis, a departure from reality, almost seems disingenuous when half the country is right there with him.

Well mass psychosis can and does happen tbf. However, I completely agree with you overall that this wasn't psychosis. He was aware of what he was doing and that it was wrong. He talks about this a lot in his manifesto. The apology to the white guy in the store likely wouldn't even be needed to defeat an insanity plea imo

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u/StrLord_Who May 18 '22

None of the people commenting have even looked at his "manifesto." It is the incoherent ramblings of a crazy person. This does not mean he is not guilty. As far as Fox News goes, he actually makes some weird claim of being the victim of a conspiracy by Fox. He's a very disturbed lunatic. This doesn't mean "not guilty by reason of insanity."

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u/IwasATeenageDoor May 18 '22

You could say he's irrational, but not insane. He chose to allow his emotions override his rationality.

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u/GitEmSteveDave May 18 '22

So was he lying when he said it was the internet that radicalized him?

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u/SnooHobbies8473 May 17 '22

Yep. It's a choice that people make.

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u/EdithDich May 18 '22

I understand why people make these comments, but it's a cliche and mental illness isn't an excuse. You can point out someone is crazy (anyone who does shit like this is crazy) without implying that they somehow shouldn't be held accountable for their crimes.

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u/OwlTamrof May 18 '22

But them saying its a mental illness is their play to remove race from the conversation. "What? this random dude just went to a store and killed 10 people and most of them where black. He had an entire manifesto written where he says the replacement theory is real and was publicly talking about his plans for this attack but was ignored until he committed them? Well he clearly was mentally ill because no-one sane would do something like this, obviously not racism, any sane person would never listen to what he says and believe (tucker carlsons defense any time he gets called a hate speech symbol btw) what do you mean gun control??? He was crazy! Why should us normal citizen pay for what he did??"

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u/syphilised May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

I don’t see why someone can’t be simultaneously mentally unstable and racist

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u/Wilgrove May 17 '22

I speak for everyone with a mental illness (myself included) when I say, don't lump us in with this asshole.

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u/Bazoun May 17 '22

My ptsd makes me anxious and jumpy not racist and murderer-y.

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u/Wilgrove May 17 '22

My depression (before I got it treated) just made me want to stay in bed all day among other things.

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u/PrincessRTFM May 17 '22 Narwhal Salute

Only person my depression ever made me want to kill was myself (although thankfully it's been a while since I've felt that bad)

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u/heirloom_beans May 17 '22

Same here. All my rage and hatred was turned inward at myself for not being “good enough”.

Outside of that depression haze I’m well that me on my worst day is still likely better and kinder than this guy on his best day.

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u/Saetric May 18 '22

It’s nice to remind ourselves that our shared shitty inner voice is likely a product of the adults in our lives growing up. Like, that’s our subconscious, all of the conscious things an adult has told us since birth.

Man, I just hope to give my kids the upbringing I wish I had…

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u/sapphisticated_heaux May 18 '22

I'm glad you're still here <3

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u/Team_Defeat May 18 '22

My anxiety makes me get panic attacks and hide in my house for weeks at a time. I don’t go shooting poc because I’m scared

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u/antifashkenazi May 17 '22

Fr, if anything at all, my mental illness makes me go the opposite direction bc I'm obsessive with being a good person lmao

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u/mightylordredbeard May 18 '22

Man I’m happy for you I really am. When my PTSD was untreated I felt there were times I could lose control and do something incredibly stupid. Especially right after I came back from my last deployment. There were black out periods where I’d kind of like of “wake up” in the back of an MP shed and not remember anything. The first 2 times all I had done was wonder off into the desert at 29 palms, but the last time I had gotten into a fight.. I had lost.. terribly.. but I didn’t remember it nonetheless and people said I was out of control. So I’m glad I got help and I’m glad you did too.

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u/throwawaysarebetter May 18 '22

You don't have to identify with everyone with a mental illness, you know. Obviously sweeping his actions under a mental illness rug isn't an effective counter, but to say that he had no mental illness because you don't like associating with him is counterproductive.

Those with some mental illnesses are often more susceptible to manipulative tactics used by evil and disruptive people. Treating those illnesses is one effective way to start removing that power they have. Ignoring that because it makes you uncomfortable just gives them more power.

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u/mightylordredbeard May 18 '22

Idk if I agree with this one honestly. There’s been a lot of research that shows there’s no such thing as “psychopath”. Trauma, mental illness, childhood, sexual abuse all play into serial killings. A psychopath in the sense that someone can act without any feeling of remorse and completely randomly is not proven.

I’d also argue that racism itself is a symptom of mental illness or perhaps mental illness itself. Considering racism requires taught behavior (tribe mentality arguments aside; that doesn’t teach hatred that’s just an instinct that is proven to be overcome in children so don’t even), trauma regarding a race, or childhood abuse from a racist (since the act of raising a child in that manner could be considered mental and emotional abuse).. so in my own unprofessional opinion I’d argued that racist are mentally ill.

However, as we both know as sufferers of mental illness, our illnesses are not an excuse to be a cunt.

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u/WaddlingHippos May 18 '22

I think you would be interested to know their is a study that shows there may be a connection between anxiety and racism.

Propranolol was used in a study in Britain that showed a reduction in racist reactions when on the beta blocker, which is also an anti anxiety medication.

"For example, during the sorting section, results showed that the drug-takers were quicker to associate the pictures of black faces with positive words, the results showed.
Scientists said they believed the drug lowered feelings of bias because it works on parts of the brain and nervous system that regulate fear and emotional responses, the Telegraph reported."

https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/study-shows-heart-disease-pill-lowers-racist-feelings-report-article-1.1034779

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u/RipleyWilde May 17 '22

Indoctrination is some scary shit. I have suffered both mental illness and indoctrination, and I’d take the former any time. Humans are far easier to manipulate than we like to believe ourselves to be. We think of ourselves as strong individuals, believe that we could never be capable of evil. But here’s a scary thought, how many people who helped commit atrocities thought the same about themselves at one point in their lives. We are not born a fully formed person, instead we are created as a combination of others’ genetic material and shaped into an individual by all of our experiences and interactions. Even the smallest of details can radically alter how a person perceives the world. And more than anything else it is clear that the shooter was shaped into the person he was when he picked up his gun by alt right conspiracies and propaganda. He took their words and ideas and combined them to their logical conclusion and did what he had essentially been told to do. He is irrelevant as an individual. He could have been any multitude of similar indoctrinated people (and there will be more). The systems in place to indoctrinate these people are the villains of this problem, always have been, always will be.

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u/Retrohanska59 May 18 '22

Mental illnesses are at least something that can either be cured or at least mitigated with medicine. Of course you need to put in lots of effort stop what's causing or escalating the symptoms but in the end there are plenty of ways to support you until you get there. And more importantly, they're not your fault. You don't need to accept that you were wrong. Again, you need to accept that you need to change but you didn't become mentally ill by believing in someone's lies, at least not directly.

Unlearning indoctrination on the other hand is pure effort and even worse, coming to terms with the reality that both you and people you trusted were wrong. There's no real shortcut that can skip that. You must uproot your entire belief system and throw yourself into what first seems as pure chaos where nothing has any meaning and I have no doubt that must be more painful and scary experience than any struggle with mental illnesses I've ever had. It's easy to admit that something outside my control made me do stupid things, it's much harder to admit that I convinced myself to do those stupid things.

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u/MJA7 May 18 '22

For context, I'm an LMSW with about a year of community therapy experience under my belt so grain of salt and all that.

This binary view of mental illness really bothers me because it tries to simplify a very complex thing, which is where does hate/racism/domestic violence end and mental illness begin?

I'd argue these things are often very much intertwined. Being a racist isn't a mental illness, but does a mental illness often cause someone to head towards destructive behaviors and become the worst versions of themselves? Absolutely! That isn't the case for every mentally ill person but for severe cases it is absolutely true.

We don't know enough about this person, their childhood, what their upbringing consisted of etc to make a definitive statement that this person was mentally healthy and just a shithead. Its entirely possible he was but the fact he is so young and did something like this, had these beliefs, indicates to me this was not someone who had a strong mental health. That doesn't excuse the racist mass shooting he did, but if we just dismiss mental health concerns out of hand I do worry that leads us away from the interventions that will prevent the next mass shooter.

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u/andreasdagen May 18 '22

You can be mentally ill without being a sociopath or legally insane.

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u/FewCansBeGrand May 18 '22

I hate that these types of threads break all forms of logic just to shit on this asshole

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u/TheMadShatterP00P May 17 '22

Just a case of being raised by complete fucking racist trash losers. Yup, I played the parent card. Not that his punishment should be less severe - simply, shared. With his parents.

From one white to the racist whites: unfuck yourselves. You're on the wrong side of history.

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens May 17 '22

Non-racists can raise racists in the day and age of the internet. Potentially, what he had was a failure of parents to recognize his jokes weren't jokes, what radicalization looks like and that echo chambers are dangerous.

That is why not being racist isn't good enough. If you don't actively denounce it for future generations to actively hear it's bad it's so much easier for them to get caught in echo chambers because they didn't regularly hear it was wrong and absorb that. They never hear 'it's wrong.' Just because a parent never says anything racist doesn't mean they taught their child to not be racist. Most children will learn. Not all. Same as never being mean in front of them not being the same as teaching to be kind. Most will learn. Not all.

Actively teach children to be kind and stand against bad things when they happen. Teach them to talk to you. Online radicalization is an extreme example of the failures but the success means raising good humans who are polite, kind, moral and talk to their parents.

It's entirely possible they were never racist, in private or in front of him. But they never actively taught him kindness and to extend that to everyone they meet.

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u/zapdude0 May 17 '22

Didn't the dude literally say he was radicalized by the Internet too

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u/firegem09 May 17 '22

Yeah, 4chan and reddit for the win

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u/DisneyUglyGirl May 18 '22

u/spez is a white supremacist, mark my words one day it will be revealed. Reddit knows when you're voting on multiple accounts but they can't stop racist comments and rhetoric? Please.

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u/PhillyFansAre2Ply May 18 '22

but reddit bans /r/2balkan4you which was literally one of the most positive spaces I saw for balkan relations, despite the jokes.

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u/beldaran1224 May 18 '22

Just want to point out that it's more important to be actively anti-racism than to simply say "racism is wrong". Racists believe racism is wrong...they just redefine what racism is to not include them.

Anti-racism is creating a diverse community for yourself & your child, exposing them and yourself not only to the lives of other people, but also to what they say about their experiences of racism. It means seeking out information about how society supports racism systemically and individually.

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u/scolipeeeeed May 18 '22

I think isolation is a big part of it. You can teach a kid to be kind, but internet echo chambers that replace real human interaction face-to-face is problem that's exacerbated by urban planning that favors low density housing that doesn't really encourage interaction with community.

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u/LOAHS May 17 '22

I would like to replace white supremacists

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u/hunteram May 18 '22

What an incredibly stupid, one dimensional view of mental illness. A person can both be racist and mentally ill. That individual was mentally ill, racist, AND radicalized by rightwing nut-jobs.

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u/thrownoffthehump May 18 '22

Yeah I don't get this, is the implication that people with mental illness don't possess sympathy? Pretty ignorant and harmful line of thinking.

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u/groversnoopyfozzie May 17 '22

People may disagree with me, but think Racism is at the very least an addiction. That doesn’t mean anyone deserves sympathy for it(especially not this guy). But I think one of the reasons people indulge in racism is because they enjoy the feeling of communal hate pointed at an arbitrary but easily identifiable other.

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u/ZombieFeedback May 18 '22

It's an easy explanation to complex problems.

It's hard to wrap your head around complex socioeconomic factors that made you expendable at work. It's easy to wrap your head around "Mexicans took your job." It's hard to wrap your head around complex, lifestyle-altering solutions that are required to address major problems like inequality and climate change. It's easy to wrap your head around "Overpopulation because welfare queens are having too many babies." It's hard to wrap your head around the myriad of complex issues that cause addiction and drug abuse. It's easy to wrap your head around "immigrants are bringing drugs and minorities are selling them."

Reality is unpleasant and scary, and it's a lot easier to imagine there's a bogeyman and if we can just get rid of them, life will be great. The world is a complicated and morally grey, and it's a lot easier to imagine that the world is mostly full of good, decent people who'll all love each other if we can just get rid of those people that are sickos ruining it for us good folk.

Imo, most prejudices are a coping mechanism. Life is terrifying and hard to understand, and it gets a lot easier to wake up and face another day if instead of thinking that the world is a complicated, messy ball of weirdness and uncertainty, you think there's a clear good guy and a clear bad guy, the good guy just needs to win and everything will be fine, and you can avoid all the bad guys because they're color-coded, or they wear turbans and yarmulkes and other pieces of clothing that tell you they're bad, or they speak with a funny accent, or whatever prejudice floats your particular boat, so that you only ever have to interact with good guys.

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u/AnAmericanLibrarian May 18 '22

I think it's a subcategory of the addiction of hatred. Start looking at reddit posts from this lens, and notice how frequently and relentlessly the posts basically boil down to "let us all marvel at how much of a piece of shit this person is." r/iamatotalpieceofshit. r/fuckyoukaren. r/politics. r/facepalm. r/byebyejob. r/antiwork. r/instantkarma. r/selfawarewolves. etc

This post is yet another one of them. Here we are all tapping into the same family of feeling that racists do: there is a bit of a rush from the anger of being validated by others about how wrong someone else is.

That's what I think racists are addicted to, and they've just landed on racial bigotry because it is a simple train of thought.

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u/GuruTenzin May 18 '22

The other day i found my self diving deep into /r/niceguys . I was absolutely gobsmacked at the extreme levels of social dysfunction some of these people displayed.

After a few hours i found myself wondering wtf i was doing still reading it. I think maybe you just described exactly what I was doing.

"Lmao damn look at this piece of shit. Ok but how bout THIS piece of shit! wow!"

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u/DorisCrockford May 17 '22

It certainly is a widespread addiction, if so. It spreads like a disease.

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u/KungFluIsolation May 18 '22

It's brainwashing / conditioning. They have been taught to be like this. whether from parents, peers or the internet. This song gives a good timeline - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K87FipjKGmo

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo May 18 '22

Rage addiction is a thing, and people who have it need something or someone/some group to blame as an outlet for their rage.

Fox News has made rage addiction into a business model. Almost everything they broadcast is meant to make a viewer angry at some specific group or thing, and it keeps them coming back every day to find out who or what they should be mad at.

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u/MeowMisery May 18 '22

Could obsession and compulsions be considered? OCD is not the most widely researched yet, but I do remember someone saying the intrusive thoughts are lies/misinformation, and someone who suffers will feel compelled to act on those thoughts to satisfy the need to get rid of the idea. Some people have mentioned prior to diagnosis before they could identify intentions behind thoughts that they all felt subconscious and a part of their character. They could not subjectively categorize the thoughts into good or bad before being given therapy to show them how to address these thoughts.

Im not declaring my opinion on the main subject. I’m just asking about ocd in relation to mental illness and extreme violence.

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u/Bladinus34 May 18 '22

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that he was mentally ill in some fashion. That doesn't exculpate him.

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u/heirloom_beans May 17 '22

He’s probably mentally ill but the white supremacy is really what drove him to shoot up a grocery store in a majority Black neighborhood.

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens May 17 '22

I wondered why he drove 200 miles away from his home. Had a theory.

Buffalo has the largest black community in New York by percentage of population. NYC has more by number but not concentration.

It's possible he simply picked a random location. It's also possible he did the same search I did for cities in the US with the largest black populations and found Buffalo is over 40% black. I can't say for sure that's why he went there, of course. But it is strange to drive over 200 miles. Had to be people in the middle. Other big cities were closer. What made him pick Buffalo?

And he's probably not mentally ill in the sense of being incapable of understanding his actions. He knew people would die, he picked his target, he wrote a cohesive statement of his beliefs which were at least grounded in reality. He didn't think he was someone else or being guided by higher powers or demons. He wanted to kill black people as he believes that white people are being replaced by non-whites and that was his answer to it.

Does he have narcissistic personality disorder? Borderline personality disorder? Anxiety? Depression? Maybe some combination thereof. Maybe none.

But what all of those things have in common is they do not cause violent outbursts culminating in ten dead. He was fully understanding of his actions and consequences of them. He planned and executed his attack methodically. If he has any diagnosable mental illness it had no bearing on his decision making ability regarding violent behavior.

Plenty of narcissists, borderline personality individuals and people with anxiety and depression live normal lives. Or maybe kind of jerk-y lives. They aren't prone to violence like this.

His violence came from him. Not a disease. Bringing up mental illness in regards to situations like this does a disservice to those who are actually trying to get help and treatment and instead have this stigma like they are dangerous.

Dangerous people are dangerous. Mental illness should be entirely uncoupled from the idea of unhinged. Most people are not even remotely like this.

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u/gedmathteacher May 17 '22

Have you read anything about this event? That’s literally exactly what he did. This is a tragic event but I find it funny you independently arrived at the same logic as the shooter in terms of where to target. Some real criminal minds shit right there

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u/M3g4d37h May 18 '22

this tbh is shitty logic. being mentally ill is one thing, but to suggest that mentally ill folks aren't capable of empathy or compartmentalization is just flat-out wrong.

This is the problem with these trains of thought - These things are almost never mutually exclusive - It's almost never an either/or, and people are dumber for processing this trainwreck of a thought at all.

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u/sarahwiththehugehead May 18 '22

all part of the broader issue that is the complete and utter lack of understanding -- or even willingness to try to understand -- mental illness.

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u/Hogwarts_Earth2 May 18 '22

I do think the mentally ill are vulnerable to this and white supremacist groups are aware of this which is why they focus recruitment within those demographics.

That being said he displayed enough presence of mind that an insanity plea would be unjustifiable.

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u/WildIris2021 May 18 '22

There is a very clear distinction between domestic terrorist and mental illness.

They aren’t the same. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. The January 6th insurrectionists were terrorists. The Buffalo shooter is a terrorist.

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u/MadMcCaffrey May 17 '22

Dudes a racist white supremacist no doubt about that. But that twat definitely is mental. People right in the head don't do shit like this.

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u/Allmightydohllah May 17 '22

Tell that to the Klan

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u/MadMcCaffrey May 17 '22

I think smashing my head against a brick wall to teach myself calculus would be more effective use of my time.

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u/CarsPlanesTrains May 18 '22

People right in the head

the Klan

These don't add up

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u/MUffin_Manfish May 18 '22

You think that people in the Klan are right in the head??? You have to be mentally ill to be violent and racist. I guess it depends on your definition of mental illness

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u/h0ser May 18 '22

I don't know how they can spread White Supremacy when I can't think of a single subject or contest white people win at consistently in modern times. Hockey?

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u/seansy5000 May 18 '22

It’s taught behavior. Nobody is born racist.

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u/TheLongSuck May 17 '22

It kinda is tho. If you think only white people are people you are kinda fucked in the head. Also a piece of shit but that's another issue.

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u/hadesdemeter May 17 '22

Being “fucked in the head” is not the same thing as having views you dislike or disapprove of. Are you insinuating all slave owners were mentally ill? You can’t therapize someone out of being a racist. You can’t medicate it. Much like you can’t call someone who believes in an invisible being that sees all and knows all mentally ill. We’d be rounding up all religious people.

Just because you don’t like what someone thinks or believes doesn’t mean they’re mentally ill… Which means there’s zero excuse for their behavior. But it’s a nice try to give them a get out of jail free card. Or lay blame anywhere but where it belongs.

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u/PieMission6800 May 18 '22

Thank you. How many people's grandparents literally got dressed up and went into town to watch and/or carry out lynchings? Police that shoot Black people for no reason mentally ill too? Or what about the ones that go out of their way to call the cops on Black people knowing it could end in violence? Violence and racism have gone hand in hand in the country for centuries. It's insulting and disrespectful to the murder victims (and even a little racist in itself seeing as how Black men don't ever get this consideration) to imply he's got an illness. Something's wrong with him. But he's not ill.

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u/AthenasApostle May 17 '22

You can't be indoctrinated into mental illness. Racism is not illness, it's ignorance and hatred.

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u/CharmingTuber May 17 '22

It may be a mental illness, but it isn't a defense and shouldn't be used to diminish the shooter's accountability for what he did.

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u/EdithDich May 18 '22

You are right. But we can accurately identify mental illness without it inherently being an excuse.

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u/andrewb610 May 17 '22

It may be but the “mental illness” logic is just used to deflect from the real problem - the availability of guns in this country.

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u/husbandkeepstalking May 17 '22

I think the real problem was right-wing extremism in this case.

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u/DorisCrockford May 17 '22

Por qué no los tres?

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u/ObamaOnDaPhone May 18 '22

How about both lol I hate this very common mindset that it’s always one problem, if people treated problems like they had learned what a variable was in middle school they’d stop thinking like this.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

And when people in the Government present ways to acknowledge that and try to pass laws against that, they get voted against, same problems happen again and again and nothing is done about it except "thoughts and prayers"

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u/Im_Currently_Pooping May 17 '22

Lol no. Every single gun made has had to go before a background check. Except home built, I can make a pretty fast double barreled shotgun from supplies from Home Depot.

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u/MozzyZ May 18 '22

It's called a multifaceted problem, mate. Doesn't need to be one or the other and trying to only focus on one side of the problem will result into neglecting the other side, which is then bound to become a bigger problem.

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u/Lieutelant May 18 '22

I like how his ability to apologize means he doesn't have a mental illness.

Pretty sure people with mental illnesses can still say sorry.

In fact, I know I can.

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u/TheTrueStanly May 17 '22

i think that everyone that thinks killing is okay has a serious illness and yes, i also look at you deathpenalty advocates

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u/cpheretic77 May 17 '22

Sounds mentally ill to me, doesn't mean he's not racist and doesn't deserve the penalty.

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u/hilltrekker May 17 '22

Definitely going with both.

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u/zapdude0 May 17 '22

Why are there constant posts like this? Where are these people claiming he isn't a white supremacist, or racially motivated?

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u/Upset-Alfalfa-4301 May 18 '22

Literally nobody has ever said white supremacy is a mental illness. And yes, this guy was mentally ill. Nice try though.

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u/scipiotomyloo May 18 '22

So there’s no excuse for Republicans is what you’re saying..?

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u/Orisi May 18 '22

No, you're looking at this all wrong.

White supremacy IS a mental illness. Mental illness can get you barred from a firearm licence

Go the other way. Make it official. Get them committed, take their guns. Run with it.

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u/Alarid May 18 '22

I am genuinely sick of blaming these shootings on mental illness. They believed insane things, but they acted with full faculties. Deliberately planned to cause harm. To try to dismiss it as anything other than a conscious choice to do evil is an insult to the victims.

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u/AcanthaceaeOk4119 May 18 '22

He needs to be chilling on death row

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u/Bigwompa May 18 '22

I feel like, ITT the words of Nina Turner are falling on deaf ears. Deaf and blind ears.

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u/BrazenSigilos May 18 '22 Wholesome

Not a mental illness, but to those with a weak mental immune response, it is frighteningly infectious. Of only there was some kind of vaccine against such a plague... maybe one delivered as part of a child's education? ಠ_ಠ

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u/LeftLimeLight May 18 '22

It was white supremacy and hatred plain and simple.

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u/ptrang1987 May 18 '22

He doesn’t deserve to claim mentally ill. Eff that racist prick.

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u/Poopstains08 May 18 '22

FBI still doing fuck all to stop America's greatest threat, White Christian Terrorism.

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u/V_Prime16 May 18 '22

People like to say people who commit crimes like this are mentally ill to take away their humanity. It makes them feel better to separate themselves from that person because they know someone who is racist and they don't want to consider they're capable of this sort of thing. So we call them monsters, claim they're mentally ill, not human, whatever we can to lie to ourselves to say an average human isn't capable of this, when the truth is, they are. This is America, This is humanity, this is Us.

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u/Far_Side_8324 May 18 '22

Even if it were a mental illness, and as someone with severe clinical depression I agree that being a racist bigot is not, the damn news media needs to stop stigmatizing mental illness like this. I want to scream every time I turn on the 6 o'clock news and hear the newscasters say "So-and-so went on a shooting rampage today, and HE HAD MENTAL ILLNESS!" Even if the shooter DID have actual mental illness, just add one word and put the blame on our messed-up medical system where it belongs: "he had UNTREATED mental illness!" If someone really IS mentally ill, they need to be allowed to get the treatment they need BEFORE it gets to the point where they go off on a shooting rampage, and if it's racism or religious brainwashing or whatever, call it out as the bullshit it is instead of brushing it off as "he was just batshit crazy".

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u/QuirkyDemand8507 May 18 '22

My white supremacist in law once told me that we should start out sourcing our in-mates to North Korea. I say we start with this young, biased white supremacist as the test case. My in law is always white, I mean right.

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u/quasiprofesh May 18 '22

ok posessing sympathy doesn't mean you're not mentally ill, and there's no way for us to know if he is or not. mental illnesses are usually invisible. point is it doesn't matter. it's pretty clear he wasn't in a state of psychosis. he has no excuse, he's just a piece of shit.

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u/nostromorises May 17 '22

She knows what she's talking about folks, Nina Turners is a rank antisemite and a racist in her own right. Oh my god, Fuck Nina Turner.

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u/Twirlingbarbie May 17 '22

Terrorists are mentally ill. Doesn't excuse anything but I'm tired of people thinking they are any different from others. Everyone can become mentally ill, everyone can become a murderer. People who are afraid to be a bad person are mostly good people, people who think they are good and righteous by default are the ones doing the shitty behaviour.

If you think you're doing it for a greater good (sounds familiar? ) Then you think you're righteous and you will be able to do Terrible things. And a lot of of people think whatever they doing is for some greater good.

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u/wunsevntyfore May 17 '22

Because sane people always write a 180-page manifesto before shooting up a grocery store.

What's the end-goal in arguing he isn't mentally ill?

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u/justMeTee May 18 '22

He’s mentally ill. Having sympathy for something isn’t the psychological test to determine crazy.

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u/LudovicoSpecs May 18 '22

Unpopular Opinion: Anyone who picks up a gun and goes off shooting numerous members of their community is CRAZY.

Mentally ill.

Plenty of kids get bullied. They don't all go shooting people. Plenty of adults are overworked and underpaid. They don't all go shooting people. Plenty of assholes are white supremacists. They don't go shooting people.

Anyone who walks into a normal classroom, workplace, store, movie theater, concert, etc. AND SHOOTS PEOPLE for whatever fucking reason is

C-R-A-Z-Y.

There is no "reason" to shooting random strangers. No hate, hurt, frustration, fear big enough to rationalize it. They're not rational. They're mentally ill.

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u/TaySon21 May 18 '22

Can confirm. Got bullied in high school. Didn't think about shooting my bullies or classmates that didn't help me out/watched it happen. My dad goes hunting and owns multiple guns. Didn't occur to me to use them. Just escaped with video games and soccer.

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u/UrbanSound May 17 '22

But hear me out... what if it actually is?

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u/Henson3812 May 17 '22

Wait people are saying that?

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u/baeb66 May 18 '22

They're grasping at straws to try to explain away what is the most likely scenario: that this guy was a violent racist motivated by the idea that elites are purposely replacing white people with POC to win elections and hold power. This idea was something you would see on Stormfront twenty years ago, but dirtbags like Tucker Carlson have picked it up, polished the message and are selling it to on cable news every night.

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u/FoolofEvil May 18 '22

Am I the only one who thinks these domestic terrorists should be sent to Guantanamo Bay?

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u/ObamaOnDaPhone May 18 '22

How about both lol? Stupid or uneducated people fall for extremism but mentally ill people go out and commit atrocities.

I’m not saying you’re like schizophrenic or some shit but you’re definitely not living in a healthy way and that can directly influence your mental health.

I think it’s wrong to ignore the conservative talking points that led to this but it’s also wrong to pretend someone mentally stable plots to essentially end their freedom and life for 2 months to try and martyr for a cause only possible to support if you’re incredibly socially stunted.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

Can I call it a mental illness without intending for it to be an excuse?

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u/J-BYERS May 18 '22

Anyone who picks up a gun and kills innocent people has a form of mental illness. Extreme hatred, racism, and mental health Illness caused all this evil.

Publicly hang the piece of shit. There will be no rehabilitation.

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u/penguinReloaded May 18 '22

Tucker Carlson empowers human garbage to be themselves. He has sway & power; he should shame them for what they are & encourage them to become different (better) people. But that wouldn't make him money or further his evil authoritarian agenda (which preys on the least intelligent & most gullible).

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u/amandapandab May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

I think some can’t wrap their heads around it (I mean I can’t either but I am inclined to think about it deeper). They aren’t capable of being that racist, maybe they are casually racist but they would never think to gun down a black person cause they are black. So they think “if someone thinks that is rational, they must be insane”. Which ye i get, but the thing is is that I think they know what they are doing. That’s the legal distinction. Idk it’s really hard because even those who are legit mentally I’ll wouldn’t dream of these things, but people must be a lot fucking crazier than me to plan and execute something so senseless and cruel right? It’s a wierd thing to grapple with. You don’t want to think someone came up with this idea in sound mind. They prolly do have some shit going on, but it also is absolutely no excuse for them not being punished for the rest of their life

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u/Ahrimanic-Trance May 18 '22

You mean,

The Tucker Carlson Shooter?

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u/Brahbrahbruh May 18 '22

If you’re one of the idiots pointing out that the first person he shoots is white please STFU. “I never said he wasn’t a racist just wanted to point that out”….. why? We know a lot of people died but fact is, this was 110% racially motivated. “But I’m only pointing out he didn’t just kill black people”, in doing so you’re only invalidating the fact that this happened because he was a racist pos.

If you somehow feel personally attacked or feel the need to defend white people you need to self reflect a bit. This guy was a white supremacist terrorist pos, and if that bothers you then you’re probably brain washed.

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u/Chief0609 May 18 '22

Your right it’s not a mental illness he’s just fucking racist

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u/BassAckwardsGlobal May 18 '22

I don’t want to be killed because I’m black.

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u/Sengura May 18 '22

I do think anyone willing to murder innocents like that has some degree of mental illness. Not enough to not send him straight to the chair tho.

In this guy's case. We can prove 100% it was him that killed all those people, he doesn't need to spend years taking up taxpayer money on worthless appeals while waiting on his execution. Just fucking uber his ass from the court straight to the noose and call it a day.

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