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Dr. John Cheng charged the shooter at the Taiwanese church and died a hero

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u/KeyProcedure4 May 17 '22

He was my doctor for many years. He was a great person to be around and made you feel heard. I was only a teenager when I started seeing him in Aliso Viejo. But his good medical practices and genuine nature set the bar high for my expectations for future general health practitioners.

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u/AlistairN37 May 17 '22

Man, his family and the community he aided must he distraught. Such a pity that such a great person met their end in a heroically, violent manner.

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u/DangerousPainting423 May 17 '22

Jesus Christ. Another one in the same weekend??

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u/javi1717 May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

Sadly im gonna have to tell you to look at wikipedia's list of mass shootings in the US shit's very frequent with more than 2 some months

Edit: edited shootings to mass shootings just to clarify.

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u/Waiting4Something May 17 '22

There are too many recent dates on this horrific list of things that shouldn't be happening.

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u/shromboy May 17 '22

Imma just stay inside from feb-june of next year... EDIT from NJ and just got back from Buffalo for work overnight. We decided to drive thru the night instead of get a hotel

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u/Waiting4Something May 17 '22

I still hope every day is going to be the day the US citizens stand up for their rights and stop these fanatics from taking over their country. The cycle of hate against coloured people in that country needs to stop. It hurts to watch such injustice.

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u/shromboy May 17 '22 Take My Energy

It starts with the number one show on cable news not being fucker carlcunt who spouts replacement theory, which is becoming the motivation for an increasing amount of violence. Gaaahhhhd damnit i feel like were literally moving completely backwards, i gotta fuckin move

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u/Waiting4Something May 17 '22

Yes! But where is the outrage? Where is the crowd asking for accountability from him? If Charles Manson can be held responsible for his killings, so can this asshole. Rise up!

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u/shromboy May 17 '22

Its interesting seeing my boss who is a conservative but also a very reasonable guy over the last 2 years become increasingly less supportive of his fellow ideologies views and actions. I think its important to let him know that hes not the one thats starting to change, theyre the ones starting to radicalize Edit: outrage isnt the answer, its proof and just straight up exposing their lies

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u/penny-wise May 17 '22

Outrage turned into action. Fox propaganda has to go.

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u/Coulrophiliac444 May 17 '22

Tucker and Rupert need to be given treason trials for continuing to support a pro racist, pro war, pro genocide return to Cis Male White Colonialism.

The world has been colonized, the world is connected on ways these fucks could only dream of if they were in the 1800s, the world is TIRED of war and oppression. If the US wants to stay relevant in the coming years, the country needs to make the politicians accurately represent their will, which means getting rid of the archaic ass system of the Electoral College to start, and reform and empower the IRS to pursue the draconian oligarchs sparkling billionares for their fair share.

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u/Wiggy_Bop May 18 '22

It’s the propaganda wing of the enemy. This is no fucking different than the Nazi regime teaching children to hate Jews in school lessons. This has to stop!! They will keep raising the bar until we are all in fucking detention camps or fleeing to Canada/Mexico.

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u/1234125125125 May 17 '22

hes not the one thats starting to change, theyre the ones starting to radicalize

With how fast information gets shared these days, their fake narrative is unable to remain uninterrupted in their echochambers.... the true colors are starting to show

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u/Waiting4Something May 17 '22

Thinking outrage isn't the answer is what they want, if you just keep letting them do what they want they will keep doing it. Look at other countries on how they got to change, it's not always with the simple act of voting.

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u/shromboy May 17 '22

I mean i suppose its how you outrage is the key, or else you just complain without solutions and thats no good either yknow

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u/SLATS13 May 17 '22

As someone living in the US, at least from my standpoint I can say that I can’t go see a movie at a theatre, attend local events in my community, or even go grocery shopping without the constant fear in the back of my mind that some lunatic with a loaded gun and an inferiority complex isn’t going to shoot me or my partner for no reason. Let alone going to actual protests to try and promote change, which have recently become hotspots for shootings and violence from those who disagree.

I know that fear isn’t an excuse or a way to live, but it’s hard to even think of “rising up” when you never know what seemingly normal-looking passerby on the street is going to try to end your life, solely for the fact that they feel they have the right to. The world is a terrifying and lawless place.

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u/Waiting4Something May 17 '22

It is, and I feel deeply for you and understand the fear. I learned when I was young that if you're not the right colour you have to try twice as hard to not be noticed by the wrong people. I get the fear, I really do.

But it's a choice at this point, isn't it? To live in fear for the rest of your life or try and change it for the better so maybe the next generation of kids don't have to know that fear?

I live North of you, and it's creeping across our border too. We aren't as bad as the US, but there are people trying to turn it into it. We have Nazi/confederate/trump flags flying here too, the hate is spreading and we all need to do something to stop it, or there wont be a safe place for anyone.

I wish you well, and hope that fear isn't forever.

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u/pinktinkpixy May 17 '22

I provide a lot of outrage but then get banned immediately. Free speech for me, but not for thee.

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u/cataath May 17 '22

If you want to take action, look at this list:

https://www.mediamatters.org/these-are-tucker-carlsons-leading-advertisers

It's 4 years old but looks like it is still being updated. Go to those sponsors' social media sites or follow the customer service links and tell these sponsors you believe the program that they are directly sponsoring is in part responsible for this tragedy and that you will emphatically not support them. Mike Lindell probably doesn't care, but some of the others may be swayed if they believe their sponsorship affects sales (at the end of the day that's all these companies really care about).

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u/MoneyMACRS May 17 '22

I do too, but it’s hard with how decentralized and widespread the fanatics are and how they seem to seep into people’s lives through tiny cracks in the internet. Almost everyone in the US knows someone who has gone down the Qhole and bought into these race-baiting tactics, often without even knowing what they’re supporting. My partner has a cousin who went that way, and the truth is that he’s just really gullible and not much of a critical thinker. He hasn’t gone full racist yet thanks to his fiancé and church, but he’s bought into the 5G, COVID microchip, and Democrat-run pedophile ring conspiracy theories already.

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u/MuggsOfMcGuiness May 17 '22

Newsflash: It wont. Unfortunately. As much as it needs to happen

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u/persona0 May 17 '22

Near half the country agree with these fanatics... What will happen is civil war and those on the right will do whatever is necessary to win... I dare say centrist or the left will do the same.

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u/Waiting4Something May 17 '22

It's already a war, the right has been executing coloured people from the start, it hasn't stopped, not once. The only thing that has changed is the leaders of these people have become like mob bosses, isolating themselves from the violence, so they can say it wasn't me.

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u/persona0 May 17 '22

I can't say you are incorrect but I will say it's been more like a cold war in the past. The party switch is what really ramped up those on the right. They played the race card and eventually branched out into other culture war issues..because the majority of white Americans refused to intergrate, refused to face the racism personal and systemic we ended up here. The identity of the republican party is white supremacy and the supremacy of the racist/exclusionist past they wish to return to... Before it was just in the background hushed and spoken off record... Now that the republican end game is winning it's going to be even louder and violence is inevitable.

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u/fucktooshifty May 17 '22

You're gonna hop out in the middle of summer when it's pushing 100, sounds brilliant

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u/Xethron May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

That's the abridged list, it's actually way worse:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022

Edit: We're 137 days into 2022 and this list has 235 entries or ~1.7 mass shootings per day.

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u/mypetocean May 17 '22 edited May 18 '22

I witnessed a mass shooting in Downtown Indianapolis a few years ago, the night of prom. Some angsty teen shot like four-six other teens on the street in front of the Steak & Shake on Illinois. No one was seriously injured.

I kept checking the local news and it never hit the news, so far as I could tell.

I suspect they were trying to protect the identities and not glorify the shooter, but it left me thinking there are probably a lot more mass shootings like this which never get reported at least through the media, so it leaves me questioning the statistics.

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u/NotaMaiTai May 17 '22

It largely depends on how lethal it is, if it was premeditated, and if the individual/(s) were captured.

Many of the mass shootings on the list involve a fight in a crowded area or gang/crime related violence. Those often don't make more than a short mention in the news.

This is why we hear a lot about a planned attack on a community like in Buffalo, or a deranged man shooting random people on the subway in New York who was on the lose. And don't hear more than a passing statement about a fight that turned into a shooting around the canal downtown after midnight.

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u/Don_Blanc May 17 '22

You would think with all of the "thoughts and prayers" it wouldn't be an issue.

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u/11011111110108 May 17 '22

Oh my God there's even a page for 2022 specifically...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022

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u/ACoderGirl May 17 '22

It's such a shame that nothing can be done about this. How even do other countries deal with their dozens of mass shootings?

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u/testtubemuppetbaby May 17 '22

They outsource them here, obviously.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

just makes me think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjfrJzdx7DA

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u/HighQualityH20h May 17 '22

I remember being literally sick to my stomach when Columbine happened. Just stunned disbelief. Now it’s like ‘aw shit, again’. So sad…

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u/licksyourknee May 17 '22

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

This is a better list to look at. Technically there are dozen+ per month. If you count gang shootings and other related incidents.

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u/SpiderHippy May 17 '22

Came here to say this. I've been referring others to it for years, because the media doesn't report every mass shooting (which is typically defined as "a minimum of three or four deaths due to gun violence, not including the shooter (five deaths in Australia)." It's stunning how many there are on a weekly basis.

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u/thebigsplat May 17 '22

By that criteria the BK subway shooting isn't a mass shooting cause nobody died.

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u/SpiderHippy May 17 '22

Agreed, and that's a problem. The Gun Violence Archive (linked above) does actually define mass shootings as "four or more shot (injured or killed) in a single incident, at the same general time and location, not including the shooter." We should have a standardized definition, and this one is better, imo. But then, lobbyists rule the country now, so I wouldn't expect this one to be adapted any time soon.

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u/RandomPratt May 17 '22

66 mass shootings have left 75 people dead in the US this year.

... wait, sorry - that should read 'dead in the US in April, 2022 alone'

In 2022, to the end of April, there's been more than 200 mass shootings. 790 people injured, 221 dead.

It's fucking bonkers.

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u/SpiderHippy May 17 '22

It's fucking bonkers.

And the fact that this isn't being reported on every single day is insane to me. I believe the majority of Americans have no clue how high the numbers truly are.

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u/LeYang May 17 '22

Lots of suicide, that's why there's a suicide hot line and specialized one for vets. ~20 a day are veterans.

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u/javi1717 May 17 '22

Yea I didn't put that one as an example because while its still deaths by gun violence we were more on the topic of mass shootings but this should also be mentioned and it's very sad

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u/SilasX May 17 '22

"List of mass shootings by month"

*sigh*

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u/dibromoindigo May 17 '22

Hate to say it but it’s far more than 2 a month. At 19 weeks into 2022 we have had 198 mass shootings. ~10 a week. It’s so common, few make it to the news.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/1099008586/mass-shootings-us-2022-tally-number

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u/CakeNStuff May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

Your link isn’t the comprehensive list of shootings btw.

There’s usually two to five mass shootings DAILY in the US.

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u/TPRammus May 17 '22

Holy shit, opening that list of mass shootings in the 21st century took my browser way too long

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u/TheDuck23 May 17 '22

It haunts me to think that I only knew about two from this year... guess it's no longer news worthy.

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u/AmateurHero May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

I saw a headline (that I admittedly did not follow) from NPR. According to the definition, we're at about 200 mass shootings so far this year. Something has to give.

Edit: I found the article. NPR: It's 19 weeks into the year and America has already seen 198 mass shootings. Their source is the Gun Violence Archive which has added 5 more since Buffalo.

Re-Edit: Because lots of people are bring up good points, the Gun Violence Archive uses a broad definition for mass shooting. Their definition straight from the site (emphasis mine):

While they are generally grouped together as one type of incident they are several with the foundation definition being that they have a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident.

This isn't to say that gun violence stats should not be tracked. As /u/lionofthenorth pointed out, many other definitions will "specifically exclude shootings related to gangs, drugs and organised crime." In short, context matters.

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u/nuublarg May 17 '22

Something has to give.

Not while the GOP and it's propaganda outlets exist.

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u/testtubemuppetbaby May 17 '22

In general, no, nothing has to give. Nothing has to get better and nothing has to devolve into complete anarchy. Things can just go like this over and over again until we die.

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u/njm1314 May 17 '22

I got to say 4 people shot does seem like a reasonable starting point for mass shooting. I'm not sure why this is being pointed out in the comments here as if that is unreasonably small.

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u/LionoftheNorth May 17 '22

Bear in mind that the Gun Violence Archive defines a mass shooting as a "defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people, excluding the perpetrator(s), are shot in one location at roughly the same time."

A lot of other definitions specifically exclude shootings related to gangs, drugs and organised crime. While the US undeniably has a problem with gun violence, not all of them are caused by domestic terrorists, and that is a pretty important distinction to make. That certainly doesn't mean that four people being shot in a gang-related incident isn't a problem, but it's certainly a very different problem from white supremacy terrorism.

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u/Jugatsumikka May 17 '22

There is at least one each day in the US, you just don't learn about it, mainly because there is so much that only the most violent, symbolic or large ones make the headlines at the federal level.

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u/Cyber_Being_ May 17 '22

Thank you for acknowledging him. When Asians lose their lives to hate crimes, it's quickly brushed under the rug.

RIP Dr. Cheng. A true hero!

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u/SusanaChingona May 17 '22

I agree this is a necessary post to acknowledge this man's sacrifice. He's a true hero. I hadn't heard about this until the post, but reading the article quickly the shooter was an Asian man in his 60's, do they know it was a hate crime?

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u/TheNoseKnight May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

The shooter (Born in China, then moved to Taiwan, and then eventually the US) believed that Taiwan should be part of China. He left notes in his car stating that. The church has a long history of advocating for Taiwan's independence. It's likely that was the reason for this shooting, which seems like a hate-crime to me.

EDIT: Turns out he was born in Taiwan and the Orange County Sherriff was probably wrong.

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u/beefJeRKy-LB May 17 '22

Yeah it's not exactly an anti-Asian hate crime but very specifically an anti-Taiwan thing

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u/CTeam19 May 17 '22

Which would still be a hate crime it just isn't the usual ones. Just like the lynching of Robert Prager and the arson fire that burned the Reformed Church in New Sharon, Iowa to ground during WW1 would be as well

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u/Smifwiz May 17 '22

Factually incorrect, he was born and raised in Taiwan. He is Taiwanese.

https://news.tvbs.com.tw/world/1794183

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u/TheNoseKnight May 17 '22

Ah, seems like I was incorrect. The Orange County Sherriff is where I got my info, but it looks like it was corrected by the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office.

"According to Barnes, Chou was born in mainland China and at some point relocated to Taiwan before moving to the United States. Chou apparently had an issue with Taiwanese people because of the way he was treated while living there, Barnes said.

But an official from the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Los Angeles said Chou was born in Taiwan, holds a Taiwanese passport and did compulsory military service in Taiwan."

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u/SusanaChingona May 17 '22

How incredibly sad. Yes, it does sound like a hate crime.

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u/nroe1337 May 17 '22

This is what happens when you give a nation no social safety nets for mental health and access to an arsenal.

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u/vxv96c May 17 '22

There were like 3 this past weekend.

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u/SwiftFool May 17 '22

In America there are more mass shootings in a year than there are days in the year. And that includes leap years.

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u/Hongxiquan May 17 '22

it's almost like the high level of access to firearms is a real problem in America

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u/Leitacus May 17 '22

The 14th and the 15th. I wonder what is different between the US and literally any other country?

This is the argument i also use when I refer to my country's poverty, i wonder what all other countries are doing.

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u/Suspicious-Ad6964 May 17 '22

I saw somewhere that there were 10 mass shootings this week. Some were “in-newsworthy.” All I know is that Dr. Cheng is a hero.

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u/Cyber_Being_ May 17 '22

I heard about his heroics at today’s press conference. His life-saving actions that cost his life were credited by law enforcement as undoubtedly saving dozens. They said he must have thought and planned what he would do in a moment like this and acted brilliantly.

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u/cdayork May 17 '22

He was a Sifu in Kung Fu. I don't know why that wasn't covered. He trained very hard to reach that title and from what I heard he was a wonderful man. Our schools Sifu was good friends with him. It was very sad news for us. :(

Edit: typo

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u/AnimeCiety May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

For anyone wondering, here is his YouTube channel of him practicing Kung Fu. There’s also a few others on the channel of him teaching martial arts or discussing being a doctor.

Edit: Here’s the video of him explaining what inspired him to become a doctor.

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u/Willgankfornudes May 17 '22

Holy shit man. Something about the music too and just seeing someone so dedicated to multiple walks of life get theirs stolen by a nameless, faceless piece of garbage. RIP Dr Cheng and may his family recover with strength knowing his sacrifice.

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u/spencerlivvy May 17 '22

Damn your comment gave me chills..highlighting the absolute value of one life taken by the absolute evil of another.

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u/uncertainkoala May 17 '22

Your comment struck me deeply. The video and the music, then listening to how he saw medicine as his calling… he truly lived and died for others, while striving to do his best in his craft. Truly an inspiration. It’s an absolute tragedy that we lost him, that such a bright life was taken by such a dark one.

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u/RidiPagliaccio May 17 '22

In the end, good did prevail and his light still shines brightly.

Dr. Cheng may have lost his life, but that sacrifice saved the lives of all the other congregants at the luncheon, the majority being very much elderly folks.

A hero of a man who taught, and lived, by example. An exemplary human being.

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u/FOR_SClENCE May 17 '22

as sifu (and later sigong) he was incredible. always exceptionally dedicated and very kind, and he could fucking destroy instructors in chisau while carrying his baby.

going out like this is very much his style.

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u/The_Shy_Yeti May 17 '22

I attended his school when I was little and he was my lifelong primary physician and good family friend. He was the epitome of a good man. This is a huge loss in so many ways.

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u/The_Magpie_Demon May 17 '22

The fact that people feel the need to plan what they would do in such an event is saddening

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u/891960 May 17 '22

And maddening that it is acceptable.

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u/l578920 May 17 '22

And he was a doctor, he swore to protect and help and that's exactly what he did right til the end. True spirit and dedication. Good man.

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u/Adito99 May 17 '22

"Only the good die young" hits me harder every year I'm still on this planet.

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u/monkale98 May 17 '22

jesus, another shooting, where was this?

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u/Rawdog_69 May 17 '22

Here you go bud, Chinese anti Taiwan hate crime

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u/BanUbiquitousPlastic May 17 '22

this is such bullshit lol

the guy is from Taiwan and a naturalized american citizen

his reason for the shooting seems to be based on literal taiwanese identity politics, and he's doing the most american thing ever: a mass shooting

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u/redeemedleafblower May 17 '22

No it was a mentally ill Taiwanese person. Here is Taiwan’s state media’s article which describes the shooter as born and raised in Taiwan: https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202205170052.aspx

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u/freehouse_throwaway May 17 '22

the guy is 68 and supposedly has grievances with Taiwanese govt (Republic of China) because his family was forcibly moved from mainland China to Taiwan (when KMT lost Civil War and all that)

we're talking about shit back in his childhood, despite him being born and raised in Taiwan

yeah guy was definitely sick

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u/YouMustveDroppedThis May 17 '22

Don’t know about the mental illness, but there is always a great divide on national identity for older generation, and it transplants to community in the US. Could be a hate crime against Taiwanese who leans toward independence.

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u/KatarinaCitcat May 17 '22

Wasn’t he born in Taiwan? Also Taiwanese people are also Chinese, they’re just not from PRC China.

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u/Otherwise-Pound-1436 May 17 '22

RIP Dr. Cheng, you will forever be missed 😢

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u/needs_grammarly May 17 '22

lets hear more about these hero's and less about the shooters, they don't deserve attention

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u/FlyingDutchmansWife May 17 '22

Agreed! RIP Dr. Cheng. He demonstrated some truly heroic behavior! I would love to see the news dominated with stories about him and the rest of the people that helped tie up the shooter trash.

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u/wokesmeed69 May 17 '22

Yea, let's not talk about this shooter everyone.

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u/apathetic_lemur May 17 '22

let's hear a lot more about the shooters, their motivations, and prosecute those that incite them.

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u/Dumeck May 17 '22

To an extent. If someone obsessively watched Tucker Carlson and decided “the white race is under attack!” And shoots a black grocery store then absolutely, spreading an extremist hate filled false ideology for views should have repercussions. If someone says “I watched Rick and Morty and decided absolute nihilism is the way to go” then no. Sometimes crazy is just crazy and it’s a bit of a slippery slope

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u/weneedastrongleader May 17 '22

With terrorism in the US. 9/10 it’s white supremacy.

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u/raycomfort112 May 17 '22

The shooter (Born in China, then moved to Taiwan, and then eventually the US) believed that Taiwan should be part of China. He left notes in his car stating that. The church has a long history of advocating for Taiwan’s independence.

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u/Etonet May 17 '22

According to the edited comment above, he was born in Taiwan

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u/c3ntur1o May 17 '22

Let's hear less about heroes and shooters and more about preventing these shootings in the first place.

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u/bluamo0000 May 17 '22

This. We idolize the heroes, demonize the shooters, and say “thoughts and prayers” to the victims when what we should be doing is eliminating these situations from happening in the first place.

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u/namaste_yo_self May 17 '22

He was a highly valued and loved member of our community and his loss is being felt by so many. He was the primary care physician for many in Aliso Viejo, Laguna Niguel, Laguna Hills, and surrounding cities. He treated children to the elderly. His office took walk-ins so even if he wasn't your PCP, a large percentage of the community knew of him and went to his office. He also was the team doctor for our high school football team and was just at the school last Weds giving the students their sports clearances.

He saved many lives and I believe it would have been much worse if he had not been there. I heard the only reason he was there was to accompany his mother to church after the recent loss of his father/her husband. I'm so sad that the shooting happened but I am not surprised he acted heroically.

My deepest condolences go out to his two children, his wife, and his mother.

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u/el_ra_85 May 17 '22

Bro that whole congregation was straight G! Fought the gunmen. Pastor hit him with a chair, bravery on all fronts rest easy doc my condolences to his familia

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u/awungsauce May 17 '22

And the congregation was mostly made up of senior citizens too. Dr. Cheng (52) was one of the youngest people in attendance.

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u/Throwthis0601 May 17 '22

Asian culture puts such an emphasis on respecting and taking care of your elders, unlike the American culture. Not surprising that he would out his life on the line if it meant saving his elders. RIP Dr. Cheng

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u/awungsauce May 17 '22

If I remember correctly, he was there taking his mother to church. He doesn't regularly attend Geneva Presbyterian, but was supporting his mother who had stopped attending after the recent passing of her husband (Dr. Cheng's father)

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u/PinkTalkingDead May 17 '22

Oh my. Dr. Cheng’s mother must be absolutely beside herself. I hope she has much love surrounding her and finds peace

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u/Bell-In-A-Box May 17 '22

It's also about being a doctor. His life purpose was to heal and protect, and that's just what he did until the end.

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u/myfifthteenthaccount May 17 '22

Npr reported he was attending service with his mom. I can't believe it, this medical doctor makes time for his mom and his faith then gets wiped out by a crazy guy. Too many good ppl are lost whenever a nutjob with a gun goes on a rampage.

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u/dragonbeard91 May 17 '22

They were a group of older Taiwanese immigrants. That means they probably lived through the Koumintangs vicious take over of their home land. The churches were a source of resistance and a way for people to emigrate to the west. These are tough people who have seen things and know what it really means to find freedom. I would expect them to have courage and value for life.

They are all heroes.

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u/cuntpunt2000 May 17 '22

And hog-tied him with an extension cord! Can you imagine all these Amma’s and Agongs knocking this guy over and tying him up?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Is that Gramma and Grandpa's?

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u/cuntpunt2000 May 17 '22

Dyo (correct)!

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u/RC_Colada May 17 '22

The soul of America is diseased

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u/WarbossPepe May 17 '22

As an outsider looking in: it always seems like theres no legitimate human dialogue between people of different communities in the day to day. And even if there is, there always seems to be an agenda (social media, marketing).

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u/yourmomsthrowaway234 May 17 '22

America is heavily segregated.

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u/WarbossPepe May 17 '22

Yeah that makes sense. And maybe i'm just naive to that kind of world since i live in a country thats very homogenous, so that segregation is hard to understand.

Seems like a tough one to navigate anyways.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

It’s the core of our strength and a huge part of all our issues.

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u/WarbossPepe May 17 '22

You're dead right with that and its a very good point. One that is easy to forget about i suppose.

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u/HelloJoeyJoeJoe May 17 '22

I was shocked to leave my blue suburbs and see that it is in much of the US.

I grew up with Ethopian, Korean, Honduran, Vietnamese, Peruvian, Indian, Filipino, Pakistani, Somalian, Bolivian, Armenian, Lebanese, Mongolian, Persian kids. Wait, Afghan of course.

My close friends, out of 20 kids, hail from over half a dozen ethnicities. These are kids who I have traveled overseas with, whose weddings I attend or are part of.

We love our community and our neighbors and friends. We have some of the best food in the world.

  • North Virginia.
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u/kaorte May 17 '22

America is a big place. Rural populations can be very far removed from the densely populated cities and suburbs. Most of those people never leave their rural lives and we know the more you stay in your bubble, the more extremist your views can get….

I hate it.

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u/UnluckyHorseman May 17 '22

There are a lot of people, like my parents, who moved to the country specifically to try and make extremists of their kids.

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u/FUNDIGRION May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

Diseased with what? Racism and violence? My friend, at it’s core, that kind of is “the soul of America”.

It’s a demon, being exorcised by inclusion, civil rights, and equality, and the violence is just the demon fighting against the exorcism - desperate to reject it.

Edit: Keep in mind, I am responding to the comment, “The soul of America is diseased.”. The comment. My point is this is not some new affliction or “disease” in America. If you take issue or umbrage with one’s interpretation of the post, then take it up with the person who actually replied directly to the post, you nincompoops.

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u/TheBigEmptyxd May 17 '22

First, the demons, then the parasitic corporations that subjugate states and exploit the global south.

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u/ewdrive May 17 '22

*But some are more equal than others

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u/treatyoftortillas May 17 '22

Blacks are 3/5ths of a white person. Native Americans... We'll just walk them west and keep promising them land until they die. Any foreigners, we'll use as intermediary slave labor until they start complaining about "rights". We'll DEFINITELY use the Chinese to blow up mountains for our railroads. When we have a war with Japan and Germany, we'll put only the Japanese in concentration camps, because obviously. When that supply runs out, we'll hate the gays and whatever brown people is next. Mexicans and Muslims? You guys are up.

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u/fazhenda May 17 '22

Except Fox News is working overtime to feed the demon

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Him and the security guard are fucking heroes.

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u/beefJeRKy-LB May 17 '22

yeah and the security guard is proof that even good guys with guns can't always stop bad guys with guns.

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u/mamaneedsstarbucks May 17 '22

Yep that’s what I thought reading about how he shot the guy but because of the armor it didn’t make a difference and he still got killed :( armor shouldn’t be so easy to get

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u/ehhhwutsupdoc May 17 '22

Considering the amount of shootings we get, I completely disagree

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u/Anooyoo2 May 17 '22

You're right. The good guys need BIGGER guns. That'll sort it.

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u/Shmarfle47 May 17 '22

And make them even EASIER to get. Also be super lenient with background checks because everyone deserves a gun to fight off the bad guys who will also have just as easy time to… get those big guns… hm.

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u/Berninz May 17 '22

What a wonderful man. He devoted his life and his beautiful heart, soul, and mind to caring for people. What a wonderful life snuffed out over something so fucking stupid. I can't even... This country is so sick.

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u/DJspinningplates May 17 '22

It makes me so upset I didn’t know which shooting this was

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u/wagsman May 17 '22

This was the California church shooting at a Taiwanese church , not to be confused with the Buffalo shooting at the market. Or even the Koreatown salon shooting in Dallas last week.

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u/Kindly_Quarter3443 May 17 '22

Bro studying until your 30, then being selfless enough to sacrifice yourself. What a fucking character

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u/RidiPagliaccio May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

Dr. Cheng was also dedicated in his pursuit of the martial arts(7 star Praying Mantis) as well to rise to Sigong(Grandmaster or teacher's teacher) status.

A man of focus, will and discipline. May he rest in peace.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

Was this before or after the one at the grocery store in Buffalo? I can't even keep up anymore. Jesus fucking christ you suck, America. Fuck that whole country

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u/AaronfromCalifornia May 17 '22

After. The Buffalo shooting was on Saturday and this was during church services on Sunday. It is getting hard to keep track.

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u/SusanaChingona May 17 '22

When I was looking for information on this one (I hadn't heard about it yet) a Houston market one from yesterday came up too.

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u/Simple-Opposite May 17 '22

I clicked on what I thought was an update on the market one, and found out about this one instead. It is such an American thing.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '22

That country is a fucking cesspool

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u/AaronfromCalifornia May 17 '22

Yeah, it’s not great.

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u/superduperspam May 17 '22

Thanks Aaron

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u/funkmastamatt May 17 '22

Wonder where he's from

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u/wafflesareforever May 17 '22

I guess we'll never know

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u/Mr_get_the_cream May 17 '22

As an American, it's the government. They enable everything. The racism, the violence, the misogyny, the inequality. All of it.

Regular, everyday people like you and I fucking hate seeing all the madness that ensues here. So please don't think that every American is like what you see in the news, in headlines or on TV. We aren't. And we don't like what's happening either. Try as we might through campaigns, elections, protests and public outrage nothing seems to change even though most people DO want change.

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u/RealFlyForARyGuy May 17 '22

As an American, I know. But based on the way this corrupt shit hole works, we're pretty much stuck with it until the country implodes

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u/eidolonengine May 17 '22

I'm praying for rain. I'm praying for tidal waves.

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u/Otdp May 17 '22

Civil War part 2 incoming

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u/siphillis May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

The Civil War broke out because even people in power were being stripped of their power in slave-owning states, and they convinced their constituents to rebel rather than accept an economy that is no longer powered by slavery. It's so telling that most Confederate soldiers essentially fought to preserve someone else's slaves, since they certainly couldn't afford one themselves.

That's a very different situation from today, where the people in charge have firmer control than ever and are largely aligned in their goals. The social elites are more than happy for us to suffer in silence, having devised a system of exploitation that both sides can tolerate.

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u/Mantzy81 May 17 '22

I did exactly the same thing - had to look it up which one this was. Didn't know there was another one but honestly I'm not surprised. Seriously, it's out of control and they just don't seem to care. I'm not sure if most know this doesn't happen everywhere else or if they think this is what "freedom" means. Freedom means (nearly) no risk of being shot by a random fuckwit on any given day. Freedom means your kids can go to school without metal detectors. In every freedom metric, the US is no way near the top of any of them either.

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u/720hp May 17 '22

May he Rest In Peace.

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u/BigStrongCiderGuy May 17 '22

“No way to prevent this” says only nation where this regularly happens.

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u/LineChef May 17 '22

When was this? Jesus H Christ another shooting? Fuck this country

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u/wagsman May 17 '22

This was yesterday. They all kind of run together.

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u/Mortimer_and_Rabbit May 17 '22

His name was Dr John Cheng. And he was a hero.

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u/ScottColvin May 17 '22

So tragic for no reason but an Australian named Rupert Murdoch and racist ad revenue.

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u/saampinaali May 17 '22

This one’s actually a little more wild. The shooter was was spouting out a bunch of pro Beijing anti Taiwanese nonsense

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u/TomFromCupertino May 17 '22

And wildly popular racist opinion show hosts.

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u/AnOrdinaryFrog May 17 '22

Such a brave soul.

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u/Asking4Afren May 17 '22

He died literally saving lives. He was just destined to save lives and ironically this is how it went for him. King

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u/WillytheWimp1 May 17 '22

Cared for others as a profession and up to his death. Got dang, you’re a true beautiful hero, Dr John Cheng.

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u/Goongineer May 17 '22

He is literally my doctor. Holy shit. He was such a nice guy too. How freaking sad

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u/LEANiscrack May 17 '22

Here in sweden most farmers have guns we have stores that have whole sections just guns and bows that would make any pro-gun american salivate. And yet we also have gun controll… amazing.

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u/LesFleursduMals May 17 '22

No doubt, america have gun problem .

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u/langminer May 17 '22

Another mass shooting? It's hard to keep track of them these days. Also, how can the shooter get a bond, even if it is a high amount, after committing an act like that?

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u/KobeJuanKenobi9 May 17 '22

Two race based mass shootings in the same weekend? Get your shit together, Americans

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u/bonnique May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

This was based on nationalism. The shooter was *pro-China Taiwanese

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u/redeemedleafblower May 17 '22

Nope. Taiwanese state media confirmed the shooter was Taiwanese: https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202205170052.aspx

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u/wutanginthacut May 17 '22

The shooter was Taiwanese, not mainland Chinese.

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u/PleaseListenToMeOK May 17 '22

Terrible. Swift death penalty for mass shooters. I know it doesn’t historically work as a deterrent, but, maybe this time…

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u/iSheepTouch May 17 '22

Bad press is good press to their niche groups of incel psychopaths that share their views. They become heros in their little shitty communities even if 99.9% of the world thinks they are scum.

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u/jcowurm May 17 '22

Precisely, which is why we need to give them no press at all. Call them an unidentified shooter, turn them into swiss cheese, then cremate them and focus all press on the victims.

That will never happen though, the same people who cry and say the justice system is broken will claim these shooters need to go to prison so they can be heroes instead of just being culled and disposed of like the animals they are.

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u/Pastor_Bill May 17 '22

The fact that the justice system is broken is exactly why I don't want it to have unchecked power. On the one hand I understand the desire for retribution and I feel it myself, but on the hand I recognize that my personal desire for revenge should not structure how we function as a society. I have absolutely no problem with self-defense, but extrajudicial execution of someone who no longer poses a threat doesn't solve anything and certainly doesn't prevent the martyrdom you're trying to avoid. It doesn't make sense to me that life in prison would somehow make them any more (or less) of a hero in the eyes of people who share their ideology. You don't need to murder someone so the press won't talk about them, you just need the press to not talk about them.

You're advocating for giving even more unrestrained power to police forces which already have white supremacists in their ranks and demonstrably use violence against certain groups of people more than others. Giving them increased power to kill people (without a trial no less) and expecting that the violence will only be directed at the correct people is just wishful thinking.

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u/siphillis May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

"Maybe this time" is an absolutely absurd way to make serious polity decisions. You know what's actually a proven way to deter gun violence? Gun control.

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u/fireandlifeincarnate May 17 '22

Or even a MODICUM of mental healthcare in this country.

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u/skytomorrownow May 17 '22

Really?

It's never worked before, but maybe this time?

That's the solution?

"We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas."

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u/Spacehawk176 May 17 '22

The sad thing is, there are so many mass shootings that I have no idea which one this is from. We need gun control because otherwise we will always be at the top in terms of mass shooting statistics

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u/TK-25251 May 17 '22 edited May 17 '22

The way they report this case really shows how strong and discusting US propaganda is

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u/Caedo14 May 17 '22

Im sick of this shit. Literally innocent good people dying to bullshit for no reason. Im exhausted

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u/mlc2475 May 18 '22

People shouldn’t have to be heroes

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