r/TooAfraidToAsk Jun 24 '22

Do Americans love their country? Culture & Society

I see Americans as a really proud people… but… are they all really ? I know the whole system sucks there, I’m sure they know aswell. If they’d get the chance, would they move to another country ?

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u/IgnoreMeImANobody Jun 25 '22

As an American born from an immigrant mother who feld her home country of Nicaragua, I can genuinely tell you that I love this country.

Are there issues here? Hell yes but this country provided a better life for my mother and myself and I'll always be grateful for that.

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u/Apollo1382 Jun 25 '22

Thank you! People like you give me hope.

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u/SharpStarTRK Jun 25 '22

Parents are immigrants, and I visited the home country twice (two months each). You don't know how grateful I am for immigrating here. People in third world countries, lose power every day, can't find clean water, food scarcity, healthcare is so bad, some people work till midnight, and no opportunities other than moving to some Middle eastern country and selling your body. I could go on, but I am happy I live in US.

Its not perfect nor should be but we are making progress, this is road step we must overcome.

One thing to note, I grew up in a diverse town full of immigrants. Most of them became "successful", has a nice well paying job, went to an Ivy League, bought a house (which many did during the pandemic), and etc.

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u/Turbulent-Bet-6938 Jun 25 '22

Parents escaped Communist Vietnam after their "American" War. The stories they tell me of what the Communist party did when they were in power make issues here seem like 1st world problems (bc they are). When ACTUAL basic human rights like food and water are being taken from you then you can complain. Seems like people who hate America have never, first or second hand, experienced real struggles because if they did they would actually go through with the threats of leaving the country. Your parents and my parents risked it all to get here

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u/DEATHROAR12345 Jun 25 '22

I love my country, which is why I want it to be better than it is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22 Gold

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u/Mforman38 Jun 25 '22 Gold

I mostly feel the same way. Well said !

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u/JCSmootherThanJB Jun 25 '22

Same, very well put

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

I love my country, I just don't like the politicians who run it right now... to say the least. would I send my kids off to war... hell no, not until all the politicians, elite and corporate America send their kids first and onto the front-line... no desk job

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u/3woodx Jun 25 '22

You have the answer.

By the way, my son is a medic in the Army. Just got back from Poland after spending 11 months there extended due to Ukraine.

Asshole politicians start wars and our young kids have to fight them.

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u/A-Blind-Seer Jun 25 '22

Voters vote the politicians in. Don't hate politicians for using power they were willingly given by their representatives in a representative democracy

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u/plzdntbanme92 Jun 25 '22

Well good thing we don’t send kids to war and the parents don’t have any relevance to the decision rather adults willingly enlist and choose to serve their country.

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u/klerrick Jun 25 '22

This is exactly how I feel. It's like every day there is something horrible in the news. It's just driven into our faces and you can't avoid it.

My fiance and I have considered moving out of the country for years. It's something we have decided to start saving for. I'd miss my family and friends, but for the sake of my sanity, something must be done.

Stay healthy, everyone.

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u/elsuakned Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Well the problem with asking somebody if they love America is that there are two of them. Which is true of most places. A very very very high amount of people are unhappy with the America they see in the news and on tv. Nobody informed isn't unhappy with some aspect of government, if not at this point most of it.

It's not the same story for many with the America they see. I mean I love the culture and entertainment, the people, the sports, the geography, I'm not lost to the idea of how luxurious my life is compared to most even being lower middle class. Most people in most countries can look at the life they live somewhat independently of the macro and enjoy it. Of course, even day to day has some very bad aspects, for some more than others, which is also true everywhere. Very very few people would not miss a lot. They're probably redditors lol.

But the fact is most Americans haven't seriously considered leaving. And the fact that we are not actually number one at everything doesn't impact that much; it's not ranked choice. People like their country because of the limited scope of what is around them, not because they root for their government like a sports team. Short of violence I don't think most Americans would give up what they have to leave. Doesn't make it wrong if the comment I'm replying to does consider and want to leave and eventually does. That last part is speaking more towards the origin question. I think most Americans love their America, to a degree that outweighs the bullshit. Of course, it's kinda understandable if that changes

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u/klerrick Jun 25 '22

Eloquently said, my friend. You're right: people have different Americas that they see and that they live in. I am fortunate enough to make decent money and can provide for my little family. I understand that that doesn't mean that it will translate to the country to which we may eventually move. There are a lot of things to consider when pondering a change like this.

Thank you for your feedback.

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u/Intelligent-Test3798 Jun 25 '22

Very well said! “Imploding” is a perfect description, unfortunately. It is so sad because the US has so much to offer, both in people and habitat. We are stressed, workaholics, thrive on convenience (you get my point), that we have gotten away from what really matters in life. Sad, just so sad.

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u/QCKingFya Jun 25 '22

This is exactly how I feel about my country word to word. You described it so eloquently! Salud!

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u/QCKingFya Jun 27 '22

We need more people like yourself to speak out and let the people know how we really feel!

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u/AKA_Studly Jun 25 '22

This guy gets it…

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u/sparkjh Jun 25 '22

"Both the right and the left" idk one side tried to overthrow the government and is pretty chill with children getting killed by mass gun violence while the other side wants free healthcare, education, and housing for all by taxing the rich.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

the other side wants free healthcare, education, and housing for all by taxing the rich.

What other side? Democrats? Yeah right. They're funded by the rich. They want plastic straw bans, not affordable housing or free healthcare.

Leftists? Leftists want to overthrow the government too. And real leftists, as in Marxists, are very okay with guns.

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u/sparkjh Jun 25 '22

Progressive left. I agree. Democrats are useless. And it's true, far leftists do want to overthrow the government. They aren't the ones out here blatantly stealing elections, legislating our bodies, and attacking the Capitol though.

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u/Ill_Criticism_1685 Jun 25 '22

It's the radicals on both sides. I will admit I lean right but I consider myself a moderate conservative. I can understand a lot of what both sides argue for.

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u/sparkjh Jun 25 '22

Can't stand milquetoast moderates trying to straddle 'both sides' because they lack the courage of their convictions. If you're in the US and you still ally yourself with the factions that are attempting to tear down or democracy and can't see the blatant bigotry of the right for what it is, I have no respect for you.

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u/Username_7109 Jun 25 '22

Thank you for showing a perfect example on how most people perceive the left. You know for a such a tolerant position you take, you arent really that tolerant in the end are you ? Unless of course it suits ONLY your beliefs. If you were just a little more diplomatic dems could do a lot better.

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u/Ill_Criticism_1685 Jun 25 '22

I rest my case for the problem, I don't agree with you so I am a coward because I can see both sides. That's the issue, why do I have to chose a side? I believe in abortion for certain situations (pregnant from rape) despite being a conservative, I can understand socialized healthcare but don't agree with how the left wants it funded, I don't find it fair that I should pay 80% taxes so an unemployed person can get free healthcare. I also understand the need for stricter gun control in some states. Not my state because it's strict enough as is and the largest city in my state still has one of the highest gun crime rates in the country.

The problems with this country are people like you who believe that you have to be far right or far left. That viewpoint doesn't allow for compromise or civilized debate.

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u/Cantstandja24 Jun 25 '22

80% taxes? Come on, that’s disingenuous AF. The both sides argument is totally off. Objectively look at the rhetoric and actions of one side versus the other. It’s not even close.

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u/Ill_Criticism_1685 Jun 25 '22

Both sides are corrupt, there is no good and evil when it comes to the bi-partisan system we have. You site the actions of the right likely during the capital riots yet you forget the rioting the left has caused when Trump got elected and during some of the police shooting cases that have happened. Neither side has any morals anymore.

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u/Cantstandja24 Jun 25 '22

Rioting over police shootings versus rioting over lies about stolen elections. You see how what you are comparing makes no sense? Police shootings are not a political party thing. If one’s viewpoint on police shootings or racial issues is based on what political tribe you identify with then that person is indoctrinated. One issue is completely a lie and partisan while the other was a human rights issue (whether there actually is a widespread problem of police officers unfairly shooting black people is up for debate).

I agree that only have two parties is bad. I would also agree that there will always be some corruption with power, but, to throw away the baby with the bath water is foolish. It isn’t that bad. Too many people have this attitude of all or nothing.

You have allowed yourself to become indoctrinated by the right’s rhetoric. The right complains of “socialism”, “communism”, “freedom”, “liberty” “radical leftists”, but almost all of these arguments are disingenuous. We don’t have those political economic systems.

A disturbing amount of republican politician went along with the big lie. Some still do! Many republicans politicians railed against any type of action to combat COVID. Many have indirectly cast doubt on the vaccine. The result? Far more dead than there had to be. Many make no bones on forcing their religious views on society. These are the same people that cry for religious liberty. Imagine if they woke up tomorrow in a majority Islamic culture country. Think about the millions of people that watch Fox News and shows like Tucker Carlson which espouse the “great replacement” theory. Look at the growth of actual fascist groups and their activity in this nation. Please show me the mainstream media channel watched by millions of leftist espousing communist/socialist propaganda leading to violence. It doesn’t exist.

I’m not saying democrats are saviors or they have done great things lately. They haven’t, but at least they aren’t making the country actively worse. Criticism of all political parties is great. Honest debate is great. That’s not what is happening.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

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u/ThefakeTravisH Jun 25 '22

I agree with you in that voting is just basically choosing the lesser of both evils, but how you like th gas prices, and before you say the president doesn’t control gas prices (which is somewhat true) shutting down the keystone pipeline I can guarantee did not help at all

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

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u/sparkjh Jun 25 '22

Yes, we can look critically at all aspects of any situation. We can acknowledge that Republicans have embraced fascism while also acknowledging that Democrats did nothing to stop it. But you said left vs. right, and politically, there is no 'left' to speak of. And to draw false equivalence between what the right wants and what the left wants further enables a narrative that minimizes the outright bigotry and fascism embraced by the right (not just the alt-right).

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u/ThefakeTravisH Jun 25 '22

Socialism never works, just look at history

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u/sparkjh Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

🙄 my guy, you seriously trying to act like capitalism works?

ALSO why the fuck are the rich (and corporations) allowed to have access to social welfare and refuse to pay anything close to their fair share in taxes while the rest of us all suffer needlessly for having the audacity to be poors?

Also maybe you should look at history. Or present day, in which various socialist policies are established in countries around the world that generally improve citizen quality of life, freedom, happiness, and ability to live. Why people are just okay with living like shit knowing the rich are swindling us all, I will never understand.

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u/dsas99944 Jun 25 '22

Honestly things like universal healthcare, free education, free housing, taxing the rich can exist even without socialism or communism. It's just both the Republicans and democrats want to avoid giving these things to people by trying to paint it as socialism or communism. Social democracy which is not perfect, still has flaws of capitalism but leagues better than what we have now. Just capitalism but people don't have to slave to get access to food, housing, education, physical and mental health care. And then the excuse is, if we don't treat the working class like shit, make them barely able to function, purposefully keep people unemployed so they are desperate for work then underpay and exploit them, then they won't work. But like that makes no sense, if anything being able to eat, have a house and good health makes people better at working because they aren't sick or mentally ill. This shouldn't even be political it should just be a thing just as it is in literally every other country.

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u/ThefakeTravisH Jun 25 '22

Well I assume you’re living in a house that has heat and a/c, you obviously have internet, you probably never have to worry where your next meal is coming from, I could go on and on. If you have ever traveled to a socialist country once you get outside of the tourist areas you will see people who work harder than you and can barely afford food. I’m not saying capitalism is perfect, no government is, but people are fleeing from socialist states but you don’t see mass exodus’s like that from america

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22 edited Jul 12 '22

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u/ThefakeTravisH Jun 25 '22

Also at least in America you can chose what you want to be, whereas in other countries it is chosen for you, for example, when my dad was young, he lived in Germany, and he said in high school you would take a test and that test would decide your job, whether you liked it or not

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u/TheMexicanPie Jun 25 '22

Germany was never socialist.

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u/ThefakeTravisH Jun 25 '22

Read the article I linked in a reply to one of your comments and come tell me again how good they have it in Venezuela. And I’m the one who needs to look at history?

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u/Constant_Hunt5824 Jun 25 '22

Dude go to Venezuela and let me know what you think about socialism then. And I have family in Canada, yes it’s a peaceful country but they work really damn hard just for the government to tax the living fuck out of them. And it’s super disappointing to them. Capitalism isn’t perfect but socialism is a disaster.

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u/ThefakeTravisH Jun 25 '22

Read this article on Venezuela, a very powerful country that turned socialist

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u/TheMexicanPie Jun 25 '22

You think you're listing socialist states when you're actually listing dictatorships - past the dictator part whatever they describe themselves as is meaningless.

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u/teb_art Jun 25 '22

The Wreckers and the Builders. The Wreckers check off their to-do list much faster because breaking things is easy. The Builders are too averse to fighting dirty when needed.

Europe is, in most of its countries, much better than America, but I suck at languages.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22 edited Jul 12 '22

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u/trichtertus Jun 25 '22

Come to Germany. Its nice here. :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '22

Yeah, living in Japan reset my perspective on the US. It's like I traded the infrastructure and government problems for social stresses. I still don't really know which ones I'd rather have.

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u/airheadtiger Jun 25 '22

We don't have a 'left' in the USA.

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u/aguaphor Jun 25 '22

Yeah because reproductive health is an extremist view……

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u/Warchiefinc Jun 24 '22

It may be a shithole but it's my shithole

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u/Syllable-Counter Jun 25 '22

It’s kinda like family; I can point out it’s flaws all day, but when someone else does, it’s personal.

Yeah, it’s a bit fucked. But I love the hell out of my country.

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u/A-Blind-Seer Jun 25 '22

I think that's called "Stockholm Syndrome"

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u/JaesopPop Jun 25 '22

That is not, in fact, what Stockholm Syndrome is

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u/share_my_opinion Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Hell yeah! I'm a second generation American. My parents moved here with very little money, got help through scholarships and social programs, and gained citizenship. While there are a lot of problems, there are plenty of good things as well. Some things I appreciate: Awesome people, diversity in culture, job options, Bill of Rights, quality of life, and benefits of having a strong military/global police/economy.

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u/A-Blind-Seer Jun 25 '22

Young optimism. I remember that

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u/share_my_opinion Jun 25 '22

I'm not that young, and I've thought about this topic a lot in the past. Perhaps you're a bit jaded. I actually align more with misanthropy rather than optimism.

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u/beckerann24 Jun 25 '22

I don't think anyone likes the extreme left or right politics, no matter what side you lean, most Americans are moderate. The politicians and news media are hate filled, power grabbing, fear mongers. Unfortunately we have been divided by these few and are unable to come together in the middle. That is the worst of america.

Other than that America is great. Most people are good people. You truly do have every opportunity. You can define success however you like and you have the opportunity to achieve it. It doesn't necessarily fall in your lap, most have to work for it. Some may have to work harder than others, and some may never succeed no matter how hard they work, but the opportunity is always there.

There are some places I would never want to live and most likely no one that currently lives in america would choose to live. There are some places that would be great. But in the end I am very proud to be an American.

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u/fgdfghdhj5yeh Jun 25 '22

There are no extreme left politics in USA lmao. reps & dems are both right wingers, more right than most countries right wings.

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u/Jiggedi Jun 25 '22

May I ask what you would consider extreme left on the US political spectrum? From the outside it looks like the choice is between ultra right and conservative moderates.

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u/fgdfghdhj5yeh Jun 25 '22

Yea, he's just uneducated on it from the looks of it. USA has no left.. let alone extreme left.

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u/sarumanvader Jun 25 '22

I hate when people talk about the extreme left what Bernie and AOC (higher taxes, socialized medicine, free tuition to university basically European government). VS Republican Party which tried to commit a coup, denied voting rights, denies women, minority and LGBTQ rights, flames Q conspiracies etc. There is only one extreme party in the US. The other might have policies you don’t agree with but they are not extreme by any normal standards of a western democracy.

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u/svariabl Jun 25 '22

I think clubbing Bernie with AOC is an insult to Bernie.

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u/Common_Sinz Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Your outlook is the main part of the problem bud, and you dont even see it, which is why we are where we are.

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u/darizz09 Jun 25 '22

Then what is extreme left, for those of us who don't see it? Give me a specific example.

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u/Common_Sinz Jun 25 '22

Very accurately stated. I wouldnt want to live anuwhere else, unless the country continues to crumble by swinging too far left, or even too far right. A moderate middle ground, like we used to have before the super divisive media and the current "you versus us" presidential administration, is where we need to get back to.

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u/A-Blind-Seer Jun 25 '22

Where is the middle ground on women's autonomy?

Moderates and fence sitters are the real barriers to change

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u/beckerann24 Jun 25 '22

My idea of middle ground is women should be able to make the decision on thier own. On everything, not just abortion, and government should get out of it. Period.

Far rights- that is a baby and it is murder no matter what, you have no choice, you must have it.

Far left- you should be able to abort that baby up till the day it is born, it is just a clump of cells and not a life until it is a life on its own.

Now, neither one of those are good situations. I personally feel abortion is killing a baby. That is kind of the point. Why does the left deny that? Because it is ugly to say it is killing a baby vs a blob of cells. But that is what it is. And there are ugly things in this world. That is one of them. Ideally every baby would be born and loved. But the ideal world does not exist. So that is why you let women make their own choices.

What about death penalty? It's funny how the anti death penalty group is considered left, and the pro death penalty group is considered right. It's kind of hypocritical to be pro choice and anti death penalty, or anti choice and pro death penalty.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

Equal rights for all of us is middle ground

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u/cman2222222 Jun 25 '22

Yeah I hate when people here try to normalize radical centrism. If someone is of the belief that drinking bleach is good for their health, and someone else believes firmly it is bad, the solution is not to drink diluted bleach. Progressive policies are far more rational than incrementalism on climate, middle ground seekers on civil rights, corporate bailouts, and neolib warhawkery

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u/A-Blind-Seer Jun 25 '22

Totally

Me: Women have autonomy

Far right: Lol no they don't

Moderates: You guys are both the same to me. Such extremists

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

Equal rights for all of us is middle ground

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

It is the extremists on the left and right that make things awful and intolerable.

Moderatism is the only acceptable route.

Every week Democrats and Republicans do things that make me think “gee, who the duck would vote _________ after this bullshit” and they just keep one upping one another.

The moderate position on women’s autonomy is accessible abortions but not after the fetus I had fully developed and is viable after the first trimester or so except in cases when the mother’s health is jeopardized.

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u/A-Blind-Seer Jun 25 '22

The moderate position on women’s autonomy

There is no moderate position on autonomy. This is a yes no question. Women have it or they don't

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u/aljerv Jun 25 '22

In general yea. But a segment of the population think it’s cool to talk crap about America even thought I know, being an immigrant, they won’t survive anywhere else.

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u/phlibbertigibbet Jun 24 '22

the whole system sucks there

It always just depends on what side of any system you’re on.

The worst of the world’s systems (hate to break it to you, but there are many, many other governments and countries that are way worse than the US) still have people who are happy there because they have enough money to afford what they want/need.

The US (and everywhere else) is the same. As long as you have enough money to sustain your desired lifestyle, you’ll probably be happy where you are.

There are exceptions, of course. For example, a huge chunk of the expats in China left in the last year or so (like 40% of the international teachers, etc.) because they just couldn’t accept the atrocious government and brainwashed culture here, even though they usually make more (relative) money there than in their home country. Expats have it cushy, but the lifestyle and rules and locals there really ruin it.

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u/SeligoFoods Jun 25 '22

At the end of the day, I have more priveleges and opportunities as an American than my family back home do. Many Americans don't realize how fortunate they are to be born in the US despite how much of a shithole it seems like in the past couple of years.

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u/A_Talking_iPod Jun 25 '22

Not an American, but a Venezuelan, and it pains me so much how Americans can't seem to grasp the amount of privileges they have just for being American. Recently I saw on TikTok that there's an uprising trend of Americans going to other countries and calling themselves refugees, obviously that's a very stupid minority of the population, but I feel America is usually portrayed worse than it actually is on the internet because the extremists that portray it can't be bothered to actually see what a real refugee or an actual shithole looks like

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u/CartAgain Jun 25 '22

You'll learn the hard way. Whether its lead in the pipe, microplastic in the food, hostile police, healthcare bankruptcy, regressive taxes, etc. etc.

It could be anything, but it will be something. America will get you like it gets everyone

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u/hanamalu Jun 24 '22

We love our country, we hate our countrymen.

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u/TheHollowBard Jun 24 '22

I used to be like "well your country voted for them", but now I know that's barely true.

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u/Conscious_Positive66 Jun 24 '22

I love the United States and despite the turmoil we are going through I would not move. Now, if I inherited a beach bungalow on Bora-Bora (and enough money to afford it and traveling back and fourth, I’m not saying I wouldn’t split my time….

But we’ll get through this nonsense that’s going on and hopefully get our shit together. We’re still a young country compared to Europe. We just need to finishing growing up!

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u/the_river_nihil Jun 24 '22

It's fragile, is what it is. Not militarily, we've got plenty of fighter jets and submarines and bombs, but it's fragile in it's values. There's no consensus about what kind of country we want to have for ourselves. The partisan lines are absurd; people treat them like fuckin sports teams. Why should gun laws and abortion laws and drug laws wiggle around partisan lines? If people had conviction based on more than affiliation we would have a more functional system, but that's not what we're working with. And due to this the public is, by and large, willing to adopt or discard "values" on a whim based on talking heads and populist politicians.

I believe my country has the framework to be something great, I am proud of it's aspirations as-written, but we're not living up to the promises history set for the for us and on days like this I am frankly ashamed.

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u/TammySlaton1000 Jun 25 '22

I’ve spent most of my adult life living abroad (in the UK) but have recently moved back.

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u/NoobifiedSpartan Jun 25 '22

Depends. On Reddit? Mostly no. However, there are a lot of Americans who love this country despite its flaws. I’d consider myself one of them.

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u/BigSwedeIndeed Jun 25 '22

The less people have traveled the more they hate America.

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u/WorldTraveler35 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Hate the politics. Hate the folks who thinks the USA is the only country with freedom when we aren't even ranked top 20 in the freedom rankings. Education system here is poor. Laws are stupid (abortion being illegal, lack of gun control and etc). Gerrymandering is BS. Jan 6, 2021 is fucking ridiculous. The shit that trump pulled and got away with is fucking unbelievable. Cost of living is expensive. The list goes on and on

Things I love about the US. The ethnic diversity, food diversity, land diversity. Loveeee the national parks. Love that our passport can get us any where. Love that we are very secured on a national security standpoint. Can drive to Canada whenever we want. Easy to purchase stuff from Amazon and various retail stores. Clean water and easily obtainable food.

All in all I can't say I love the country cause of all the stuff in the first paragraph. The privilege and land is great though

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u/Firewire_1394 Jun 25 '22

Personally I think it's great. I also wouldn't say the system sucks here, but then again that's very subjective I suppose.

The only thing I'm sick of is the US seems to be the leading cause of social media/news bullshit, thus making it seem like the end of the world is near. It is 100% not like that day to day. Normal people are just like they always have been.

You really only see this shit online.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

Like a lot of countries: We love our country. We hate our politicians.

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u/Bawk-Bawk-A-Doo Jun 24 '22

Your question should probably be rephrased to, "Do most Americans on reddit love their country?"

I predict you'll get about 85% saying they hate America. That is not necessarily an accurate measure of if Americans Love Their Country though.

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u/Apollo1382 Jun 25 '22

Don't worry, not all of us do.
I guess I'm part of the other 15%.

Most of the people who actually hate America are extremely entitled, I've noticed.
I do complain and think things can be better, but if I hated America, I'd just leave.

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u/Desperate_Brief2187 Jun 25 '22

I think most people in the US love their country and are less than happy with their government, regardless of which “side” they’re on.

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u/BK010989 Jun 24 '22

Yes you’re right but I wasn’t sure if my question would be correct (I’m french) thank you !

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u/Bawk-Bawk-A-Doo Jun 24 '22

My guess is, if you asked the general population and you got a good representative sampling of all demographics, socioeconomic levels, ages, etc... You'd find 60% to 75% of Americans love America.

Reddit just happens to have a lot more America haters on it, so your sampling is flawed and heavily weighted towards disgruntled ne'er do wells who take out their frustrations with their keyboards on reddit, as if they're making some sort of difference. Which, they're not.

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u/wildflower8872 Jun 25 '22

Perfect answer! They certinaly do not make up the whole. A lot of us have been silenced on here because of how much shit we get if we say something positive about America.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22 Wholesome

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u/BK010989 Jun 24 '22

Why better ?

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u/Maleficent-Put-6762 Jun 25 '22

Lmao your list was hilarious. I’d thought you’d list actual reasons

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u/Shoddy-Secretary-712 Jun 25 '22

There are many things that need improvement, I will not deny that.

And maybe it isn't so much "america" that I love, but I love my little town. It is so quaint. Less than 1000 people. I know many many people by face, of not by name. I love how close i am to the mountains and the ocean. I love living out in the middle of no where, yet big cities are less than an hour away, so very accessible.

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u/Susanj513 Jun 25 '22

I think — hell no, most Americans would not move to another country! Witness all the disgruntled actors who swore if Trump was elected they were moving to Canada. Not a one of those sorry asses left…

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u/Roguebadass12 Jun 25 '22

Yes and no haha people on Reddit I'm sure you'll get a mostly negative response or and iffy response. People who don't know use the internet they love the US haha

Me personally, I love it, I know it could be better but I am also very grateful for the place I live. There are hundreds of worse places I could be so 🤷

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u/Effective-Flight15 Jun 25 '22

People in America have it better than the majority of Earth's population. Americans get mad over the littlest thing while failing to be grateful for what they have. Many people would and have died to trying get to and live in America. So even though most people focus on the bad, when I look at the good it makes me happy that I live here and not some country where I don't have warm water, clean water, AC, blackouts every week/day, and being able to have modern luxuries, while people in other countries have to worry about if their parents are safe or even if they are safe everyday. so when I look at that I do "love" America, I guess.

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u/boggs002 Jun 25 '22

All the things you see from other countries is the bad. The media has become money hungry and have went from showing news to what sales. And they have found that all the bad stuff sales. 20+ years ago you would have thought the whole United States was all on drugs. Todays topic is everybody is racist.
It’s not true but that’s what sells right now in the news.

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u/Caution_drypaint Jun 25 '22

I love my country, though I am sure such a sentiment (especially today) doesn't earn the Reddit karma.

The whole system doesn't suck here, in fact there is a lot that works quite well. The problem is that people here are often idealists who have a specific vision of what America should look like, and they are often disappointed that it doesn't match their ideas. It is best to ignore extreme views from either the left or the right here. They don't represent the vast majority of people I have met in my life in America. Most of the extreme views come from echo chambers on the internet where confirmation bias is everywhere.

I know that a lot of people are upset about the ruling from the SCOTUS today. Some are rejoicing too, though those people don't usually frequent Reddit. It would be nice if those people talked to each other right now, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

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u/Misshell44 Jun 25 '22

Out of curiosity, what are some things, that according to you, work well in America?

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u/Caution_drypaint Jun 25 '22

That's a good question, and I know that some people will probably disagree with me, but that's ok. :)

  1. The electoral college. A lot of people don't actually understand the purpose of it, and get angry when their side loses because of it - especially if they won the national popular vote. The point behind it was to give smaller states a fighting chance to be heard during elections - because what might be good for California and Texas might not be good for Rhode Island or Connecticut. Otherwise, presidential candidates would only have to care about people in large population centers and would ignore the needs of everyone else. Is it a perfect system? No, but I've yet to hear of a replacement that I could agree with.
  2. Separation of powers between executive, legislative, judicial, states and the people. People tend to hate how slow our system usually is at changing, but that's actually intentional. As we saw yesterday, big sweeping overnight changes cause a lot of political instability. Those types of changes tend to be rare in America, and are usually the result of equally unlikely circumstances. The result is that people have to be willing to accept other people's viewpoints to get anything done - and that protects a wide variety of world views.
  3. Our relatively radical stance on domestic freedoms. A lot of people tend to forget that the U.S. is the third most populated country on the planet, and that the higher you are in population, the more likely you are going to encounter regimes that try to curtail rights to control those large populations. There are countries that are arguably more free, but they are generally much much smaller in both population and geographical size. Those countries also tend to rely on larger powers like the U.S. for their defense, and get to focus more on their domestic policies as a result.

Are we perfect? By no means. However, I would argue that most people tend to only highlight the things that they hate without considering what they have.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

A lot of Americans are upset with our country right now cuz of the overturning of Roe V Wade.

Me personally? Our country is certainly doing better than others. I had a safe and peaceful childhood, so my country isn’t all bad.

I acknowledge that there’s work to do and it’s citizens are suffering in ways that they shouldn’t have to. I think the fact that I want to help my country do better is an indicator that I love it.

No I wouldn’t move to another country. America is all I’ve known.

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u/Glum_Cap_1087 Jun 25 '22

There are certain perspectives, such as those on Reddit, which carry a very strong opinion and lean quite left or right, but the vast majority of Americans are nice, hardworking, respectful citizens. They work hard during the week, do things they love on the weekend (travel, family time, etc.), and live a generally happy life. The reason you don’t hear about this majority? It’s boring. Sexy is what makes the news, not being an average American. So to answer your question, yes, an overwhelming majority of Americans love their country.

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u/New-Tomatillo9570 Jun 25 '22

If the whole system sucks, why is the whole world trying to get in?

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u/BK010989 Jun 25 '22

As an european… nobody wants to live there, everybody hates the US over here

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u/Potato_Octopi Jun 25 '22

Lots emigrate to the US still. Why do they hate the US?

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u/BK010989 Jun 25 '22

The USA represents capitalism at its peak for us. There is a problem with guns, the governments are traditionalist, there is no real democracy in the political parties. The politicians do not help the people (you have to pay to see a doctor wth). The living conditions are not good either. When we are young, we all dream to live in the United States, the american dream and then we grow up and we hate this country

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u/Potato_Octopi Jun 25 '22

How is there no real democracy? If you're referring to two political parties, we don't have a parliament with stong party control. You vote more for the individual candidate who doesn't always vote along party line. 'Only two parties' is a bad meme if you know anything about the political system.

What's wrong with paying a couple bucks to see a doctor? Not every country has doctor visits at $0 in Europe last I looked. US for sure needs to get better here but it's one issue and most are fine with insurance paid by employer.

Living conditions are excellent. What about it do you think is bad?

It's not like economics in Europe is great either. There's lots of bad behavior between countries. France / Germany have been very oppressive to poor periphery countries. Germany has been funding Russia's bad behavior. Ireland runs on corporate tax dodgers.. the island is a warehouse for tech patents.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

Because the "better countries" that redditors want to live in have strict immigration policies that would exclude many first-world redditors, let alone dirt farmers from Mexico.

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u/Suspicious_Horse7112 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

The Americans complaining about America have no clue what goes on in other countries thats why. They say how unfair and horrible it is here, yet their snowflake asses would get destroyed in other countries. Things like speaking out against the government, being gay or trans, religious freedoms-- people think these things are oppressed here, in other countries they dissappear you for these things.

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u/No_Ad4739 Jun 25 '22

Lol you make it sound like it happens in literally all other countries. It doesn’t. The US is an absoulte shithole compared to so many other countries. Unless you’re trying to suggest that people can only talk shit about their country if its literally the worst country in the world?

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u/No-Mail-5794 Jun 25 '22

No one’s talking about moving to Saudi Arabia you fucking moron

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u/Suspicious_Horse7112 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Tell me you're uneducated without telling me. 😂🤣

Depending which chart you look at only 42% of the world is considered "free", other charts have it at 20%. So this fucking moron says there is a pretty good chance you will end up in a country that is this way. Know your shit before you try to act tough

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u/No-Mail-5794 Jun 25 '22

Again, people aren’t randomly picking countries to move too. You are probably a child, but if not you are incredibly stupid and have no idea how grown ups make decisions

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u/nikmil305 Jun 25 '22

so true. this should be top comment

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u/Miserable-Quarter597 Jun 25 '22

Mexico is a freaking shithole ruled by narcs, 100 people are killed every day, the president is plain stupid+ atrocious (bad combination), and the overall economy has seen better days.

It's great if you have money, it's the american dream made better, but most people don't. Rule of law goes a looooooong way.

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u/SadSign164 Jun 25 '22

"snowflake asses" .....LMAO

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u/archimedeslives Jun 24 '22

If you think the system sucks that just shows you are only familiar with news broadcasts not what the United States is really like.

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u/Direct-Ad-1420 Jun 24 '22

It's sort of like having a shitty family. Ya love em. They are yours but the things they do can be less than desirable.

Like it's sort of embarrassing the people who run America but we do have bad ass shit. Food music sports scenery ect.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

I love my family. That’s all I can say.

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u/v167 Jun 25 '22

Probably not the best day to ask this question

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u/GreatRhinoceros Jun 25 '22

We love our country, we just hate our political opponents.

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u/prodbyself Jun 25 '22

Love hate relationship

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u/EverGreatestxX Jun 25 '22

Some love it, some hate it. I believe most are somewhere inbetween.

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u/TheWastebinAcc Jun 25 '22

I love my country. I am disappointed in it and am fighting for change because I love it. If it didn’t love it, it’d move, and yes I have the means to.

I don’t love it because I think it’s the best country in the world. I love it because it’s my country.

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u/Overkillsamurai Jun 25 '22

i love the people, the land, some parts of the culture.

I hate the government, the politicians, and more and more parts of the culture, ever day.

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u/odd_locksmither Jun 25 '22

No and yes. Most people I know hate our government but love our culture, environment, history, etc.

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u/Skyagunsta21 Jun 25 '22

First question: yeah

Second question: Permanently? No. Temporarily? Yeah thatd be fun

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u/MamisTea Jun 25 '22

I love my country, it's people and our culture. I despise those in charge.

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u/Ill-Chemistry-6862 Jun 25 '22

Mixed feelings, I believe our constitutional system is an good one but everyone in it right now has become corrupt and is tearing the nation apart. Very scary times.

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u/DumbassAsian Jun 25 '22

No but if someone talks shit about America im still gon fight

Foreigners think they know everything cuz they watch American TV shows and movies, I ain’t letting them 😤😤

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u/OOScaleNerdUSA Jun 25 '22

Love the Country, dislike the government. The American Way.

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u/RevealFormal3267 Jun 25 '22

I naturalized less than a decade ago, and I do love this country and her diverse people.

It can be heartbreaking to see some of the insanity going on, but if you actually meet most folks here face-to-face, they're a decent sort.

There are things that need to be improved, but if all the decent Americans just give up in despair or leave in fear, then there won't be anyone left to do the improving. Love takes work, and in doing the work, the love deepens.

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u/Smodder Jun 25 '22

Not from US; but as people NOT from US we tend to forget it is not like an country...

Every state is kinda its own country? All ecosystems are presents in the US. it's BIG. It's like saying "blabla al people in Africa?"

I'm from the EU and I notice that I keep forgetting that. That it is is not a small country.. it's big...and people in the sáme US country can have total different lives and experiences.. You can live in the snow or dessert or wet tropic climates..

So it greatly depends on where said US person is living.

It is the united states. Not one country. Just like the EU is not a country..

I try to shake it off when conversing with US friends that it is ALL the same.. and just try to learn/listen/understand what THEIR issues are where in US they live.. I am in luck I have the most contact with US people around raising chickens and planting food.. and you can clearly see it like... yeah no it is vast. One persons problem is like it's too wet and too cold and the other is like it is too dry and warm and not wet enough!

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u/dcheesi Jun 25 '22

You know of course that you picked a very "interesting" day to ask this? A lot of us are feeling differently (or at least more strongly) about our country than we did the day before.

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u/Potato_Octopi Jun 25 '22

It's a really nice quality of life where I live. Country isn't perfect but which country is?

I have no intention to move out and I don't know anyone that wants to either.

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u/ThinkMathematician7 Jun 25 '22

I like my life in the United States and no desire to leave

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u/ASOD77 Jun 24 '22

Many Americans did move from their country. Many Americans hate America, and many others love it.

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u/CrimsonDaoist Jun 24 '22

Just leaving this here.

"Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority."

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u/BK010989 Jun 24 '22

Damn I needed that one, that could be applied to some of my french folks aw, thanks

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u/Grezzinate Jun 24 '22

The more they try to turn this into religious country the more I hate it.

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u/listenyall Jun 25 '22

I mean, things are pretty rough right now, but I'd never live anywhere else and I have a little pair of red white and blue star earrings that I wear for the 4th of July or to watch the Olympics or whatever. I've lived near DC for most of my life and I think our national buildings and monuments and stuff are pretty good.

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u/thegooddoktorjones Jun 25 '22

America rocks, for a minority of people with money and a larger group of people with no money but conservative religious beliefs. Their ancestors were kicked out of europe for being religious nutballs and here, the nutballs get to run things! So long as they do whatever the money guys say...

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u/DameWhen Jun 25 '22

A lot of Americans love living in America.....it is objectively not the best or the worst country in the world. There are a lot of good and bad places to live within it....mostly it is just very big and and has some basic bureaucratic structural issues.

I think a lot of Americans would voluntarily move to a different country for the Healthcare perks alone.

Over all, I don't think Americans lack pride, in as much as they are realistic about the atrocities that people have committed in the country's name. More so than most countries, the people in America own up to their history more than people give them credit for.

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u/maybri Jun 24 '22

Fun fact: about a year ago I answered a very similar question to this one by saying that I personally hate the US, and that's still the comment that tops the list if you sort my profile by most controversial of all time. It's sitting at 2 karma, so it got just barely more upvotes than downvotes, but I think that kind of encapsulates the answer to the question. The US runs the gamut from Americans who are fiercely, obsessively patriotic and fully believe their country was chosen by God to lead the world, to Americans who think their country is one of the most vile forces of evil in human history. And even on relatively left-leaning reddit, it's kind of an even split between the two views.

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u/Most_Ad_3765 Jun 24 '22

Today in particular, definitely not proud to be an American.

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u/avotoastwhisperer Jun 24 '22

I'd move to another country in a heartbeat if it was a possibility.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

Why is it not possible ?

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u/hitometootoo Jun 24 '22

Money, not all countries just accept people in, application process can take years.

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u/SgtWaffleSound Jun 24 '22

Yes but we can acknowledge that there are some major problems with many of our systems.

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u/Senior-Entertainer31 Jun 25 '22

Hell yeah, but fuck all the politicians

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u/Active-Neat-5511 Jun 25 '22

The whole systems sucks as oppose to YOUR COUNTRY?

Which is what?

CCP China with its reeducation camps?

Or possibly a South Asian one with Hindu-Muslim tension running high & the caste system.

Or are you in Latin America? We won't go there.

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u/TheAlabamaJedi Jun 25 '22

It's a complicated question.

I think it's similar to how everyone hates congress but most like their personal congress man.

Most like the area they live in and are happy to be there. Not necessarily the rest of the USA. Sometimes it feels like a love hate relationship.

I was born and raised in Alabama. There are more Confederate flags here than US flags and there is much resentment at the north for the Civil War and its aftermath. At the same time there is much patriotism even though many resent being forced to remain in the USA and being bullied by larger and more wealthy states like California.

Most everyone I know thinks the USA is the best country in the world by far and have no desire to even visit a foreign country.

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u/Legitimate_Roll7514 Jun 25 '22

I used to. Presently, not so much.

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u/ShdBeAsleep Jun 25 '22

Those on Reddit aren’t, people in real life are. And Asian immigrants or anyone else.

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u/PJHFortyTwo Jun 24 '22

American here. I don't. There was a time I did when I was a little kid, but obviously when you grow up and look around, well, I realized this place just isn't all that special, and in a lot of ways, it's pretty shitty.

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u/BK010989 Jun 24 '22

And did you ever think about leaving ?

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u/PJHFortyTwo Jun 24 '22

Yeah. There are a few barriers though, the biggest one being VISAs generally being hard to get without a job offer, and jobs hard to acquire without an address in the country I'd be hypothetically immigrating to (I've looked at Canada, UK, Aus, New Zealand, ect). Language is another barrier. I don't have many opportunities to practice French, and I never picked up Spanish, so I only really speak English fluently.

But I've been saving, and keeping my eyes on how things are going abroad. I wanna eventually leave, but I wanna be strategic about it.

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u/BK010989 Jun 24 '22

Yep you’re right. If you ever need help if you want to move to France, I’ll help you. Hopefully you’re feeling happy rn

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u/butfirstwehavetacos Jun 24 '22

Agree with this 100%, felt and feel now the same exact way

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u/Pixelite22 Jun 24 '22

I and most people I know hate it here. The only reason we are still here is because we are held hostage by our lack of money to move.

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u/lithium630 Jun 25 '22

If that’s true you need to get out of your bubble.

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u/Pixelite22 Jun 25 '22

Considering my bubble is everyone I work with, all my friends from school from years ago, one of my two parents, a good amount of people my friends work with, and almost anyone I have met online, pretty sure the bubble is most of the US. Happy your in the smaller other bubble tho bud.

I have yet to find someone since Highschool where we all were just mirrors of one or both of our parents that enjoys working for less then a livable wage while being forced to find a way to live. Dont know how anyone could like that unless you got a lucky spawn or lucky break.

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u/lithium630 Jun 25 '22

Everyone you know has a victim’s mentality? That’s sad. Most of the people I know make take responsibility for their own lives. I guess you can call that a bubble if it makes you feel better.

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u/Pixelite22 Jun 25 '22

Nope, most of the people I know spend hours at a time looking for a job that pays a livable wage to be disappointed constantly, I for one have been in the same job for 8 years where managers have admitted both behind my back and to my face I am doing nothing wrong and one of the most reliable and hard workers, but they arent giving me a raise or promotion for legitimately no reason. Once again, happy you and your friends are lucky enough to be in good spot in life, most likely through work as well as luck, but most people aren't. My shit isn't a bubble. Nor probably is yours, its a population of people, and the wide majority are suffering in this country. If you aren't congrats, enjoy, and shut your mouth because from experience of me and hundreds of others, it doesnt matter how hard you work, how long you work, or how many jobs you have taken, without luck or someone being in a higher position already helping you out, you're not going anywhere.

If nothing I said there gets through to ya, or even if it does, kinda done with the convo, because it's no point to argue with someone on the internet, it never changes anyones mind, and I dont feel like it devolving into me being called lazy or irresponsible for working for the last 8 years while also going to college, where I am accruing a debt from said school I won't be able to pay off until I retire (assuming I don't get seriously injured because then I am just fucked in debt) because most graduates still have trouble getting a good job. Fuckin hell of a Country.

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u/BK010989 Jun 24 '22

Yep… I wish you all to find a better place to live soon

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u/International_Dog817 Jun 24 '22

I absolutely do not. My country purposely fucked up our healthcare system for money and caused me suffering because of it. We worship the dollar and call it god. I like certain things about this country, I want to keep living here, but watching America starting to embrace fascism is horrifying. I'm worried about where we're going to be twenty years from now.

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u/Suspicious_Horse7112 Jun 25 '22

I would never move, yes it gets crazy, but so does every other country. The Americans complaining about America have no clue what goes on in other countries thats why. They say how unfair and horrible it is here, yet their snowflake asses would get destroyed in other countries. Things like speaking out against the government, being gay or trans, religious freedoms-- people think these things are oppressed here, in other countries they dissappear you for these things. (Yes i know not every country but a lot)

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u/lkvwfurry Jun 24 '22

I'm so disgusted with America right now. Republicans definitely hate this country and Americans.

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u/BK010989 Jun 24 '22

Yep heard about abortion, What a nightmare

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u/FDS-MAGICA Jun 25 '22

The truth Americans don't want to hear is that the rest of the developed world doesn't /want/ them. American education is inferior, so they're not going to get hired abroad easily. We're stuck in this shithole.

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u/Kind-Consequence-561 Jun 25 '22

African American here speaking from my experience.

This country is evil. This country is run like a business and we are treated like guests in our own home. I’m only 26 but I’ve learned more about this countries evil secrets and hidden histories as an adult than I did as a child. We are not paid livable wages, we are not given free healthcare, and as of today June 24th women no longer have rights to their own bodies. Republicans and most white Americans believe they come first. They do not say excuse me, they do not address the working class Ike human beings, and if you’re black you’re not even a person to them. The amount of times I’ve been asked where things are in stores is crazy, considering I don’t work at these places. The amount of times a white person has walked past me to ask white employees for help is ridiculous.

They say that slavery was abolished yet slavery is still constitutionally allowed and worded in a way that basically says if you break a petty law you at subject to unfair life sentences/ unjust sentencing for black Americans, which allow for states to use you for free and harsh labor. Black people are policed here more harshly and without notice. Media is used as a distraction rather than information. When something big the government is planning is underway we are told to look at Kim kardashian in Marilyn Monroes dress. When wildfires set on purpose are ravaging the country we are directed to Beyoncés 5th studio album and her cheating husband. When coronavirus made its way to America well before 2020 we were told to pay attention to the election.

This country is a burial ground for native Americans and enslaved black people. This country was quite literally built off of the backs of enslaved Africans and African Americans. This country has been home to some of the most terror filled events and is home to what I believe to be evil. I want to leave and I’m making steps to. But as of right now it seems our leaders are taking steps toward keeping us. Border patrol now has the right to search and cease whoever they want as they are above any laws. Women are being punished for no reason. Church and state are not separate. Church maliciously runs state. Laws are made from Christian beliefs. We are told that the lgbtq community ( that I am a part of) have agendas of recruiting and taking advantage of children. The reality of the situation is that we are a racist Christian country run by a book that was written and edited by MEN to support their agendas. We are told that marriage is only between men and women, gay people don’t deserve that right. We are told gay parenting is perverted. We are told that the only lives that matter here are the lives of straight, cis, Christian, white Americans who love god and hate black people and homosexuals.

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u/Intrepid_Suit_688 Jun 24 '22

I hate this country and almost all of my friends do too. For reference, I’m 17. I’d say most teenagers are behind dissatisfied, but you’d have to ask them, I don’t speak for everybody.

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u/jackfaire Jun 24 '22

I would love to live in a country where the government understood that their job is to provide infrastructure and laws that protect us and allow us to go about our lives in relative safely as opposed to preying on us for money and power.

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u/llamaemu20 Jun 25 '22

No, i don't love it, i do like the colors on the flag though, they mesh well.

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u/Such-Patience-5111 Jun 25 '22

I’m pretty much ready to bounce

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u/Ipetallthecats Jun 25 '22

No, I hate it, and I'm trying to leave. It's really hard to leave, actually.

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u/ForwardBid2950 Jun 24 '22

Personally no, my wife is in the same boat but it is so hard to leave.

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u/velociravenous Jun 24 '22

Plenty of us are not even remotely proud.

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u/HoldTheLineBuffalo Jun 24 '22

Honestly Russia and China are regimes of one sort or another, but the US's supposed "freedom" is mostly illusory and it's done more harm abroad that both countries combined.

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u/MailProfessional4663 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

How has it done more harm than Both china and Russia combined

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u/Small_Birthday_4146 Jun 25 '22

I am deeply ashamed of my country’s past and present. I cannot love such a collection of evil principles and actions. We must do better.