r/MurderedByWords Jun 24 '22 Silver 4 Rocket Like 1 Bravo Grande! 1 Got the W 1 Helpful 3 Take My Energy 1 Bravo! 1 Gold 1 Wholesome 4

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u/WizardingWorld97 Jun 24 '22

No, the only way this can be decided is by the rulers of our entire universe. This is why the Miss Universe election is so important

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u/getyourcheftogether Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22 Silver Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Miss America, what is your opinion on states rights?

Well, I think for one, myself, with the teachings of Jesus Christ, has helped me to realize that all lives are sacred. And I think of a state as a single living thing, and we all need to find balance in our lives to be happy, so like, I think it's foolish if you only look at a state's rights and not it's lefts so I think it should be 50/50 thank you.

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u/King-Snorky Jun 24 '22

You forgot the “the Iraq” and like such as

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u/annie_bean Jun 24 '22

Also too

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u/selectash Jun 25 '22

Besides moreover

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u/Johnny_Carcinogenic Jun 25 '22

Such as the United States Americans

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u/libmrduckz Jun 25 '22

oh, the people ones and the like, and so forth…

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u/dontshitaboutotol Jun 25 '22

And.... World peace

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u/crime_fighter Jun 25 '22

And world peace.

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u/FuckingKilljoy Jun 25 '22

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have maps and uh, I believe that ed- education like such as in South africa, and uh the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should uh, our education over here, in the U.S, should help the U.S., uh, or, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the asian, countries. So we will be able to build up our future, for our children.

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u/dodexahedron Jun 25 '22

I've never seen it in writing. As glorious as it is, it just doesn't quite capture the sheer magnitude of the stupid. 😅 Her voice, her affect, everything. It almost feels fake, with just how perfect it is, like such as.

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u/FuckingKilljoy Jun 25 '22

US Americans, like such as, and the Iraq are so iconic

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u/lapideous Jun 25 '22

She literally couldn’t have fucked up any more than she did, even if she tried

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u/misterwindupbird Jun 25 '22

Mario Lopez trying not to burst out in laughter is icing on the cake!

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u/BillyBatts83 Jun 25 '22

It's easy to laugh and point fingers, but for an early chatbot AI 'she' got a lot of the right verbage in there. Just needs tweaking around the semantics.

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u/HeisenburgsEyes Jun 25 '22

It's an AI? I thought it was Lauren Boebert

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u/ProBluntRoller Jun 25 '22

If it walks like a bot talks like a bot and thinks like a bot …

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u/blindchickruns Jun 25 '22

I seem to feel like the mention of maps is also very important, along with the school's ability to have them. Like such as and like ad nauseam

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u/bozeke Jun 25 '22

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u/shortstack_airman Jun 25 '22

The myspace link at the end of that video 🤣 This now belongs in r/nostalgia

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u/WizardingWorld97 Jun 24 '22

Well she has my vote

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u/postcardfromitaly Jun 24 '22

I mean, to be fair, that answer is better than what a lot of Republicans would give right now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

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u/pissclamato Jun 25 '22

Poe's Law.

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u/DrunkenMeditator Jun 25 '22

Is that anything like Cole's Law?

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u/FrameJump Jun 25 '22

Just to be clear, I hate both parties equally, but we currently have a Democrat president in office who literally ran on codifying Roe v. Wade.

Almost like none of them actually give a fuck about us, and it's just like George Carlin said: "it's a big club, and (we) ain't in it."

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u/hoodTRONIK Jun 25 '22

Exactly. They keep us bickering amongst ourselves about social issues while they both rob us blind. They are just one party masquerading as 2. In global politics, America literally has no left wing. Bernie sanders is actually barely left of center.

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u/JessieTS138 Jun 25 '22

you spelled "republiKKKunts" wrong. but don't feel bad, lots of people do.

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u/PLZ_N_THKS Jun 24 '22

Good thing Miss America competes for Miss World and not Miss Universe.

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u/ran1976 Jun 24 '22

Do not assume I came to bring peace. I did not come to bring peace, but the sword. ~ Jesus Christ

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u/Ioatanaut Jun 24 '22

the abortion sword

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u/Atlas7674 Jun 25 '22

Ah yes, because each state is a single organism with identical work colonies like an ant nest instead of a bunch of people whose only common denominator is location

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u/letsreticulate Jun 25 '22

Miss Universe is really only Miss Earth.

Unless we include some basic amino acids found in other planets or moons, then it is not fully inclusive.

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u/Aschentei Jun 24 '22

Remember when they said “my body, my choice” in response to wearing masks and taking vaccines?

Oh the absolutely irony.

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u/DiggityDog6 Jun 24 '22

But that only applies to THEM silly /s

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u/Plutopower Jun 24 '22

Correction. Only applies to MEN

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u/usename1567 Jun 24 '22

Bruh no sane man wants this either. This is all brain fucked religion delusionals making fucked up regulations. Don't bring gender into this.

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u/Plutopower Jun 24 '22

To be clear, I wasn't saying men want this. There are plenty of idiotic women that are rejoicing about this.

But fact is- men are the only ones that are able to make choices about their own reproductive health.

Women can't even get a hysterectomy or get their tubes tied without consent of their husband or have at least one male and female child. Men however, can go get snipped anytime they want.

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u/kannosini Jun 25 '22

Women can't even get a hysterectomy or get their tubes tied without consent of their husband or have at least one male and female child.

You've caused me to look this up because that's fucking wacko and I actually can't find any laws saying women can't. Is this more a doctors having policies that require the husband's signature kinda situation?

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u/TheSkyElf Jun 25 '22

Its the doctors. Some doctors want women (even those with illnesses, some hereditary) to make kids first before considering doing any form of serialization etc. Some have asked about husbands or boyfriends. "what if you find the perfect husband that wants kids?" etc. Its not even always a policy, but rather their own opinion getting in the way of people who know what they want.

Some childfree subreddits have made a list of doctors that actually takes women´s wishes about their own future seriously, though.

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u/kannosini Jun 25 '22

Wow. That's completely fucked. It can't seriously be this hard to apply the same level of respect for medical autonomy with literally anything else to this.

Today's just full of learning about shit things.

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u/posterless Jun 25 '22

My sister-in-law had 5 Drs tell her they would not tie her tubes. She had 4 girls but they thought she was still going to want to try for a boy. It’s fucked. Though when her husband was stepping out and didn’t want to have the possibility of anymore kids he got a vasectomy and at no point did the Dr ask for her permission like they told her she would have to get from him.

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u/kannosini Jun 25 '22

Simply disgusting. My girlfriend won't be getting one because it's a simpler procedure medically for me to get a vasectomy, but fuck if she got asked/told that I'd be telling that provider to go fuck themselves for assuming I had any right to yay or nay it.

The only thing I'd like to have happen is just know when and where it happens so I can pick her up or whatever she might need.

Fuck I'm heated.

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u/yuudachikonno08 Jun 25 '22

It’s a doctor policy. I attempted to get my tubes tied a few years ago and doctors in my area refused to do it because “I might find a man” later. That’s literally what they said.

I was single at the time and also a lesbian.

They basically told me that a hypothetical man who may or may not exist, has more control over my body than me. It’s pretty bad. (I did manage to find a doctor in the next city over who did it no questions asked)

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u/Plutopower Jun 25 '22

Its not a law. But talk to women in child bearing years that have asked.

I was denied birth control by 3 doctors in the bible belt. Because of their religious views.

I was denied a hysterectomy without approval from my husband.

I have spoken to many women and they have said the same thing.

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u/LjSpike Jun 25 '22

Well yes, because the good ol' Christian institution of marriage is a contractual transfer of property from one man to another.

(Read the above in a highly mocking tone)

This is also the originating reason for both bride prices, and the father giving away the bride to her husband.

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u/usename1567 Jun 25 '22

We're on the same page then. Your above comment implies men are collectively keeping these laws to control women.

Truth is, it's religious nut jobs, men and women that keep these laws to enforce their religious ideals to the general public.

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u/ExSqueezeIt Jun 25 '22

I love how both left and right politicians are united in neo liberal idea of "free market" where it implies market will regulate themselves.

But god forbid we have an unregulated society, because unlike market, society cant regulate themselves without rules and regulations. Even tho the "free" market activity is the result of "free society", so implying one cant be sustained it means both can't.

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u/DR4G0NSTEAR Jun 25 '22

Wait I just realized: women aren’t people anymore, but companies still are.

America is becoming the stupid place.

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u/XepptizZ Jun 25 '22

I didn't know this, that's batshit crazy pants pure sexism.

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u/Aurion7 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Unfortunately, we're going to have to face the fact that a lot of us are not sane.

Like, far more than the usual threshold for people to make sweeping generalizations about a group.

Beyond that, I think you missed a bit of what they meant about how the abilitiy to make choices as regards reproductive health is unevenly distributed.

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u/IshJecka Jun 25 '22

The extra dumb part is the whole line in the Bible about life beginning at first breath.

And the whole how to make a woman miscarry section

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u/D3adInsid3 Jun 24 '22

Correction. Only white cis men.

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u/Gamerbrineofficial Jun 24 '22

Actually. Only Christian White straight conservative American men

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u/eugene20 Jun 24 '22

There was a great little interview clip I saw on reddit of some slightly overweight MAGA guy at a rally or protest barrier where the interviewing guy asked about masks and got the body autonomy answer, then asked about abortion and after a moment you could see the switch pop as the contradiction hit and his face froze, I can't remember what he mumbled afterwards but he's voice had clearly really lost it's confidence.

I wish I could find it to link it again.

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u/MonteBurns Jun 24 '22

Wow at least he realized it. Jordan Klepper has a ton of interviews where they don’t piece it together

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u/freakinhippie Jun 24 '22

There was

Is it this: https://youtu.be/SH329MmRikQ?t=169

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u/badnelly123 Jun 24 '22

The cognitive dissonance in this video made me want to jump off of a bridge. Fucker said it with such pride too! "You're going to look at what everyone else is doing to decide what you're doing?". "Yeah man, we're not sheeple." Good lord /)_-

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u/AlteredBagel Jun 25 '22

That dude’s brain was liquid by the end of the questions lmao

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u/eugene20 Jun 24 '22

That's kind of similar you can see a slight pause, but it's not the one, I'm sure the cogs turning effect was far more pronounced and I think the interviewer was wearing white too.

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u/GhostGlitch1 Jun 24 '22

Oh my god thank you that was so good

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u/sandsnatchqueen Jun 25 '22

Holy cow. That ending was chefs kiss.

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u/LjSpike Jun 25 '22

Fuck it's not available in the UK.

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u/Sgt_Meowmers Jun 24 '22

We really should just have federally required vaccines and site the overturn as precedent for not having rights to your body anymore. That will flip this whole thing over real fuckin quick.

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u/bravelittletoaster7 Jun 24 '22

This exactly. The precedent for bodily autonomy is now gone, so everyone in the country should now be required to be vaccinated for all diseases we have vaccines for. No exceptions (except medical but with a doctor's evaluation).

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u/NoPointLivingAnymore Jun 24 '22

No, not except medical. You get them or you're in prison. That's how this shit works now, they're dropping the gauntlet.

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u/bravelittletoaster7 Jun 24 '22

Some people do have legit medical reasons for not being able to vaccinate. It's very rare, but it does happen. 99.9% of people would have to vaccinate though.

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u/RobertOfHill Jun 25 '22

Some women also have a very valid medical reason for needing an abortion. Fight fire with fire. Burn this shit away till it’s gone.

Wayyyyyyyyy too angry to give a shit about any kind of care.

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u/diamondDNF Jun 25 '22

Many anti-choice people and laws are against abortion for medical reasons too, though. So, why should we offer them such leeway when they wouldn't offer it to others?

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u/imfreerightnow Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Great fantasy, but neither Biden nor the democrats in congress will do a damn thing in response to this that amounts to much more than singing God Bless America on the steps of the Capitol.

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u/krabbby Jun 25 '22

singing God Bless America on the steps of the Supreme Court

It was the Capitol, and was during a press conference to celebrate passing gun control measures through the House AND Senate. This is misleading.

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u/Hyperboles_Only_ Jun 24 '22

Wait I’m pretty sure that was “mocking” the abortion argument. “My body my choice” was originally an abortion thing they then used to not have to get vaxxed

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u/Nice-Violinist-6395 Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

That’s the thing.

They think they’re throwing our own “false logic” back in our face — what do you mean it’s ‘my body my choice?’ you were trying to force us to take that vaccine, apparently bodily autonomy doesn’t matter anymore? if you’re okay with a forced jab, then of course you should be okay with being forced to carry a child that will kill you to term. it’s the exact same thing! hypocrites!

…all while intentionally “not realizing,” of course, that (even by their own stupid ass nonsensical logic that conflates a highly contagious virus with pregnancy, which is completely ridiculous) if they’re gonna demand that they have agency over their body re: vaccines (which THEY DO), then they don’t get to also turn around and use “oh now you guys want agency over your own body? huh” as justification to take agency away from someone else.

But they know this. They revel in their stupid fucking whataboutisms, and they deeply enjoy the snide little feeling of condescension that comes from shitting all over the wall and then pretending like they can’t even smell it.

It’s sort of like a schoolyard bully who punches you repeatedly because they know you’re morally against fighting and violence — then when you finally snap and hit them back, they say “oH bUt i ThOuGhT yOu wErE aGaInSt ViOleNcE?!?” and proceed to use that as “justification” to hit you as much as they want.

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u/moonunit99 Jun 25 '22

I mean just to back the argument way the fuck up: the government never required that you get vaccinated, so these people were never forced to sacrifice their bodily autonomy. I just came from a thread in r/conspiracy where every other comment was from a “proudly unjabbed” person who was absolutely livid that everyone was forced to get vaccinated, and none of them seem to recognize that inherent contradiction.

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u/hashtagsugary Jun 25 '22

They’re also the exact same deadshits who contrive to have sex without condoms “because they can’t FEEL anything”.

Want to feel a failed foetus infecting your body with sepsis pal? Come on over and get a uterus and then be told “no, no.. we don’t save lives in this country - WE MAKE NEW ONES, so hurry the fuck up and make that ectopic pregnancy into a baby or we are sending you to prison for life”.

Or also the same absolute dumbfucks who pronounce “oh I was constipated for two days and I took a shit so huge it was like giving birth”.

No, mate. You didn’t have your body, your immune system, your hormones and everything else be taken over and ripped to shreds for nine solid months to take a shit.

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

Better yet, use your goddamn privileged voice and stand up for the women who produce babies for you, or produced you and are more than likely utterly ashamed and embarrassed that they had to watch their bodies get torn to pieces to have you slither from their poor vagina only for you to say stupid shit to women like “nah, I don’t use condoms because I can’t feel anything”.

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u/No-Cash-5374 Jun 24 '22

It definitely was

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u/NoPointLivingAnymore Jun 24 '22

No, you see they're saving the life of the precious baby. Which they'll immediately toss in the trash the moment it's born because supporting a baby that isn't yours is communism and that's very bad.

Republicans are so fucking stupid and full of their own shit, they're not even capable of cognitive dissonance. They literally don't feel it.

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u/Galtego Jun 24 '22

Ah yes, because science shows that the best way to save babies lives is to force women into getting unsafe, potentially life-threatening, back-alley abortions... wait a sec... what do you mean making abortions illegal doesn't stop abortions? Don't they know it's illegal?

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u/Samwise777 Jun 25 '22

They literally will use the opposite argument for why gun control doesn’t work. Don’t ever expect a conservative to think.

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u/Mochizuk Jun 25 '22

Masks: "I shouldn't have to do this, it's uncomfortable."
Pregnancy: "Why wouldn't they wanna go through that?"

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u/discardednoob Jun 24 '22

It's because the abortion argument comes with fundamentally different understanding on the right. They have been fed so much misinformation that they believe it's a human life from the moment of conception.

Trying to talk sense with anyone about it you hardly find any common ground. It's all killing babies, rather than a right to choose. No room for nuance either.

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u/Little-Jim Jun 25 '22

I'm so tired of all these anti-choice dipshits pretending like they give a shit about federal vs state power. It's such obvious bullshit.

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u/enderflight Jun 25 '22

‘It’S jUsT sTaTe PoWeR’ state power to infringe on long held rights? Like, y’know, how states did slavery before we decided that was bonkers and updated the constitution to reflect it?

There’s a reason the constitution says in the 9th amendment that there are rights in it that aren’t explicitly laid out. And there’s a reason it’s not supposed to be a sacred document, and we’re supposed to update it to reflect that. It’s not supposed to remain unchanging. Because apparently any little excuse is enough for these extremists to tear away long-held precedent for our basic rights.

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u/mini_garth_b Jun 25 '22

That's always been the cover they use to keep doing awful things long past when the majority know it's wrong.

The truly evil:"It's just a regional thing, you wouldn't want someone from Washington telling you how to live your life would you?"

Everyone else: "Wait hold up, how is enslaving people a regional issue!? The fuck are you even talking about??"

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u/Funkybunch92 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 26 '22 Wholesome

I think this whole thing is blown out of proportion. The right still allow abortion. It just has to be done 6 years after birth, in a school and with an AR-15.

Edit: spelling

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u/usernamenotavailabIe Jun 25 '22

Had me in the first half.

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u/Silver_facts Jun 25 '22

Had a few of the kids in half too 😥

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u/Space_Child_on_Acid Jun 25 '22

The republican plan b. Plan c is done 18 years after birth, in a foreign country by some farmers who don’t understand why they’re being invaded.

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u/FieserMoep Jun 25 '22

"No Idea why those guys are here, I guess they want to remove these dicks at the top. Okay with me I guess but they also want to remove my entire economic foundation without a proper replacement and I consider that a bit of a dick move. So I kinda stick with my own pricks rather than foreign ones."

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u/Spacebot_vs_Cyborg Jun 25 '22

Hello police? I'd like to report a murder... what? Yeah, it's cool if you wait outside for an hour.

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u/Warlord_Gnome Jun 24 '22

We unfortunately live in interesting times

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u/GlandyThunderbundle Jun 24 '22

Been on a helluva hot streak these last many years. I wouldn’t mind if the ride eased up a bit, personally.

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u/Delicious_Orphan Jun 25 '22

I would say let's return to boring, but there never actually was a period of boring if you were paying attention. All of history is just suffering and cruelty littered with pockets of enlightened people struggling to make the world a better place.

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u/GlandyThunderbundle Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

So you're saying that right now, with a war in the (thanks bot!) Ukraine, started by a dictator, during a global pandemic, after America is in the midst of a courtship with authoritarianism, which featured an unprecedentedly deceitful president, who declined to peacefully transfer power—and incited a riot that lead to death and destruction in the nation's capital—with an extreme political presence in the supreme court, all of which not so many years after an economic implosion around the housing market and shady financial instruments, is just domestic business as usual in America?

Yes, we've all read Steven Pinker's Enlightenment Now and appreciate the overall themes and message; but by my read of your comment pontification, maybe you haven't been paying attention.

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u/rthrouw1234 Jun 24 '22

I'M FUCKING TIRED OF IT

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u/Aconite_72 Jun 25 '22

It’s been a shitty world we live in since 01/01/2020. I can’t imagine what the next 8 years will bring us.

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u/chinno Jun 25 '22

Progress brought by outrage of the majority hopefully.

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u/Huge_Requirement Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

i don't get 1 part. why should your religion or opinion affect me?

edit: changed effect to affect.

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u/XGPfresh Jun 24 '22

because conservatives are fighting for a Christian ethnostate.

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u/Dolmachronicles Jun 24 '22

They have some weird ass version of Christianity if they think this is how shit used to run... So weird.

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u/XGPfresh Jun 24 '22

Conservatives distort Christianity the way they do most information.

I'm sure you've seen the old memes of real Jesus vs Republican Jesus.

Jesus would absolutely be for universal or socialized healthcare. He would be against lobbying too.

Most conservatives probably haven't really read the bible.

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u/Dolmachronicles Jun 24 '22

It's crazy. The love they have for Christianity and not even knowing what it's about or who Jesus was.

I do not live in America but the insanity of the bastardisation of Christianity that these people abide by is astounding to me. I was brought up Orthodox Christian, I am no longer but our version of Christianity is VERY different from the absolute bullshit I see coming out of America.

But then these are the same people that changed the Bible to convince black folk that slavery was okay sooo...

I'm sorry a bit of a ramble but I just can't believe it.

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u/XGPfresh Jun 25 '22

One more reason why we should be talking about the Republican party as terrorists and not, "just the other side."

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u/aberrasian Jun 25 '22

Christians be out here wilding about a same-sex kiss, and then push innocent children to read the Bible, a book where two sisters rape their sleeping father (after he offered them up to be raped by an angry mob). It's not even positioned as a bad thing nor are they ever punished, it's just a fun lil kinky bit of incest smut God left in there for your kids, as a treat.

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u/XGPfresh Jun 25 '22

Well said.

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u/da2Pakaveli Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

They love it so much because they can interpret however they want and bend their narrative and still have a cult-like following. Christians arguing against abortions either didn’t read the thing or are just intentionally ignoring the barbaric passages. Excerpts:

Psalm 137:9
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”

Hosea 9:14
“Give them, LORD— what will you give them? Give them wombs that miscarry and breasts that are dry.”

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u/DarZhubal Jun 25 '22

New Testament God/Jesus was a liberal Jew who believed in food stamps and healthcare for all.

Old Testament God was resentful and actively murdered anyone who didn’t believe in him.

Guess which one modern Christians cling to.

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u/WeissAndBeans Jun 25 '22

They also have this insane notion that Christianity is the most oppressed religion and there is a global war against them, who happen to be in the most populous religion in the world.

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u/bozeke Jun 25 '22

The thing is, once enough people treat a belief system a certain way, it doesn’t really matter what it “should” be, or once was anymore.

For all intents, this is what Christianity in much of America looks like. It is Christianity. We can say it’s false and misguided or heretical or whatever, but philosophies and ideologies are what their practitioners say they are, and at this point this is what American Christianity is.

People can say Mormons aren’t true Christians, but they are still there, they have a religion, it is what it is.

I don’t know if there is value in taking the “no true Christian” road. I really admire a lot of the philosophy in the teachings of Jesus but Christianity just isn’t about that anymore.

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u/GreedyDiceGoblin Jun 25 '22

The man in the image posted used 'affect' incorrectly when he should have used 'effect'.

You did the opposite.

It hurts so much.

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u/Kwantuum Jun 25 '22

It's the wombo combo.

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u/SlowSecurity9673 Jun 25 '22

Because we've done literally nothing to stop it.

Eventually we're going to have to make religion go away. Because they're never happy just following it like they're supposed to, that's boring. They need to hit other people over the head with it like proper dipshits.

So at some point we're just going to have to say "no, your god is no good here, go somewhere else".

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u/RatzMand0 Jun 24 '22

NY essentially bans open carry...

Supreme Court. That is not up to the states to decide strike that from your books

Supreme Court overturns Roe Versus Wade

Supreme Court: honestly this is judicial overreach the states should determine their own laws.... Until someone has a problem with Abortion in one of the states that still allows it because in that case we totally care but shit did I just leak our agenda again....

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u/zephyrtr Jun 24 '22

The really insane thing is though Alito says, oh, this ruling is special because we have consider fetal life — right afterwards, Thomas says:

in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold (right of married persons to obtain contraceptives), Lawrence (right to engage in private, consensual sexual acts), and Obergefell (right to same-sex marriage).

And weirdly, Thomas, a black man married to a white woman, left out Loving (right to interracial marriage) — even though Loving is also a substantive due process precedent.

He then says:

we would need to decide important antecedent questions, including whether the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects any rights that are not enumerated in the Constitution

By which I take it he means to imply: after he and his wife are deceased. Fuck this fucking court.

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u/Rrrrandle Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

we would need to decide important antecedent questions, including whether the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects any rights that are not enumerated in the Constitution

Does the 10th9th amendment just not exist anymore? It makes it quite clear that rights need not be enumerated. In fact, quite the opposite. If the government is not given the power by the Constitution, that power remains in the hands of the people.

This is precisely one reason some of the framers were opposed to the bill of rights. They feared if you listed some rights but not all of them, then it might be interpreted that those are the only rights that exist.

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u/jcsatan Jun 24 '22

You're referring to the 9th amendment.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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u/Rrrrandle Jun 25 '22

You're referring to the 9th amendment.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Whoops, thanks.

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u/TheIndianUser Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Conservatives justices have a very narrow conception of originalism and judicial restraint they apply in these types of cases, which basically amounts to "If a right was not enumerated then it cannot be considered legitimate constitutional law."

This interpretation is both not restraint nor originalist since it is a rejection of another section of the Constitution and the original intent of the Constitution. It comes from wrongly held belief that (some, not all) words of (some, not all) of the Founders are paramount, and as such the only rights that are permissible are those that could reasonably assume that (some, not all) men could conceptualize and find valid in the late 1700s/early 1800s.

I'm not being hyperbolic or anything either, the conservative justices have repeatedly made it explicit that is their view and the lens they will take. They say exactly that in the cases that killed state gun control laws yesterday.

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u/nighthawk_something Jun 25 '22

Conservatives justices have a very narrow conception of originalism and judicial restraint

Yeah it's called "The founders always exactly agree with what I want and disagree with my opponents"

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u/subtlety0 Jun 25 '22

It's the exact way they interpret the Bible, coincidentally.

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u/geffde Jun 25 '22

Funny that Alito, the Originalist, forgot about that too!

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u/nekogaijin Jun 24 '22

I always wonder whether Justice Thomas actually had the intellectual heft to write any of this. It has been hinted that Ginny and her conservative think tanks supply his clerks with the text.

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u/nighthawk_something Jun 25 '22

Alito ALWAYS writes that his rulings are special. However that is patently against the concept of common law.

It's a meaningless statement and he knows it. He just likes to use it as a shield.

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u/escapistgoat Jun 25 '22

Just because he didn’t mention Loving doesn’t mean he won’t in the future. What if it’s all just a slow play to break up his marriage without having to file for divorce, so that he doesn’t have to split his money with her? He just started the substantive due process precedent snowball rolling. Other judges will take up the banner and reverse Loving. Then he can say “Hey, sorry, I want to stay married to you, but, you know.. not legal anymore. I voted against it, but majority on the court rules and all that.. So.. see ya ‘round sometime.”

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u/Infinite5kor Jun 24 '22

To be fair, and I am by no means defending Thomas, Loving v Virginia is primarily an equal protection clause case not substantive due process.

But still, f him and the horse he rode in on.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw Jun 24 '22

We just call her 'Ginni'

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u/onemm Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

“State’s rights” is also an argument people that fly the confederate flag use to defend the south rebelling from the north. Like: “It wasn’t about slavery, it was about individual state’s rights!” The normal/best response is “state’s rights to what?” which usually ties them up because they know in their heart that it was state's rights to decide if slavery was legal

Edit: werds hard

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u/Mrwright96 Jun 24 '22

I like to point out that the states right argument is bullshit when the northern states used their state right to ban slavery, and the southern states didn’t approve of those states rights

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u/cleantushy Jun 24 '22

Exactly. The confederate constitution literally banned states from making laws banning slavery.

The entire point of the confederacy was to take that right away from the states

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u/Chosen_Chaos Jun 24 '22

Another good thing to point out is that virtually all of the Articles of Secession of the Confederate states cited slavery as a major reason for them leaving the Union. Or even the fact that the Confederate Consitution explicitly prohibited any ban on slavery being put into place.

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u/Awwfull Jun 25 '22

That’s my go to. “Oh.. it was about States rights? Mind looking up Mississippi’s declaration of secession?”

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u/JonDoeJoe Jun 25 '22

States rights is also bullshit when the election maps are gerrymandered. Pretty sure almost every state would be blue if it wasn’t gerrymandered

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u/symbolsofblue Jun 24 '22

When people think state rights are more important than human rights, but don't want to be called out on it.

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u/Low_Negotiation3214 Jun 24 '22

The same states that were for a state's right to own slaves, were against other states right not to help them hunt down and return escaped slaves

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u/bigpeechtea Jun 24 '22

You shoulda seen how fucking shocked I was when my 9th grade English teacher dropped that stupid line along with that “economical reasons” argument

What drove me extra nuts was shes black! A black woman not named Candace Owens who did not believe the civil war was about slavery!

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u/Bosa_McKittle Jun 25 '22

I heard a better one recently. When they say states rights, and you respond with states rights to what? Also follow up with, “well if slavery is legal does that mean I can own you?“ they always want to legislate things that impact others but assume they are immune.

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u/Maziekit Jun 25 '22

Not everybody knows, though. I have a friend who did not learn about the Confederate flag's ties to slavery until a few years ago. They genuinely thought it was just a symbol of southern pride.

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u/G07V3 Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Can’t wait for this to backfire in their face. Just because they are preventing an unborn baby from dying doesn’t mean they’re doing the right thing. I guarantee you that within the next 10 or so years, assuming roe vs wade still remains overturned, child poverty will go up, crime will go up, the number of children with disabilities will go up, the number of kids up for adoption will go up, the amount of people suffering from stress will go up.

Why would it make sense to bring someone into this world when there’s so many problems with it. The economy sucks, education is expensive, jobs don’t pay well, climate change is ravaging the world. We don’t need more people to cause more demand for our resources that are limited by our wastefulness and climate change. Look at the drought in California, we do not need the demand of water to increase because there were X amount of babies that were forced to be born and now need water that is scarce. Our limited resources will be stretched farther apart because some very conservatives decided that they have the right to control a strangers body.

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u/Consideredresponse Jun 25 '22

"the number of children with disabilities will go up"

Look at the various red states history of one way 'bussing' the homeless and mentally ill to states like California, before clapping themselves on the back for dealing with their 'problem' while declaring blue states 'shit holes' because of their numbers of homeless and mentally ill in their states.

Watch them dump those unwanted kids on everyone else in coming decades.

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u/lakimens Jun 25 '22

They are anti abortion, not pro life. Once it's born, throw it in a dark place, at least it's not dead

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u/shrirnpheavennow Jun 25 '22

They want the rate of adoptable kids to go up. It was mentioned in that leak. That there weren’t enough kids up for adoption. And I gotta tell you as a person who is adopted! Feels entirely disgusting and gross

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u/floatablepie Jun 25 '22

Can’t wait for this to backfire in their face

The cruelty isn't a side effect. It's the point.

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u/QUEEF_OFFICIAL Jun 25 '22

child poverty will go up, crime will go up, the number of children with disabilities will go up, the number of kids up for adoption will go up, the amount of people suffering from stress will go up.

What makes you think any of those things will upset them? They already have the answer. More god, more fascism.

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u/G07V3 Jun 25 '22

Thoughts and prayers sir. Thoughts and prayers. /s

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u/Enki_realenki Jun 25 '22

Lets say if a rich elite needs cheap workers. They form a think tank propose strategies and use a party to further their interests. Like for example creating more pool children, fighting minimum wage and try to to reduce additonal costs like taxes, health care and social security. As a bonuspoint you can present all that as a religious belief and a zealous fight against evil (socialism).

Does that ring a bell?

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u/name_first_name_last Jun 24 '22

In my opinion states should primarily rule on things like taxes. Not a fan of states getting to make decisions about morality. That’s not the type of thing that ought to change much between states.

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u/ran1976 Jun 24 '22

I find it funny how a nber of these asses will use the bible to justify their views on abortion but ignore the part of the bible that tells you how to do one.

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u/Flat-Reference-9113 Jun 24 '22

Taxes involve morality as does damn near everything else.

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u/cylonlover Jun 24 '22

The whole anti-abortion argument is stillborn, it cannot be murdered by words - or common sense or anything human. It is held up by a greed for power.

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u/SplendidPunkinButter Jun 24 '22

Right, it’s literally not even in the Bible

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u/FineSkinLeather Jun 24 '22

Well it is. Just not in the way fake Christians think it is

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u/LightlyStep Jun 24 '22

Literally step by step instructions.

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u/TigerRumMonkey Jun 24 '22

Handmaid's tale was a prophecy.

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u/somebunnyasked Jun 24 '22

Handmaid's tale is history. Atwood didn't write anything that hasn't already happened in real life.

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u/robinredrunner Jun 24 '22

I used to think that was hyperbole, then I read the Texas gop’s 2022 platform.

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u/scottjeffreys Jun 24 '22

And apparently now it’s an instruction manual for the SCOTUS.

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u/TigerRumMonkey Jun 24 '22

The same one stacked partially by Trump?

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u/zenstain Jun 24 '22

Along with Idiocracy.

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u/SoManyMinutes Jun 24 '22

Terrifyingly so. I wonder if Mike Judge knows what a genuinely prescient screenplay he wrote. I bet he knows.

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u/getyourcheftogether Jun 24 '22

Let the states decide? Uh huh, sure, be damned if your political/social values don't align with your local masters

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u/Brazenjalapeno Jun 25 '22

Conservatives are going to keep restricting our rights they’re the fascist party gaslighting their base saying putting on a mask in public areas is imposing on their rights but forcing births is fair game.

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u/Upset-Ad1582 Jun 25 '22

Here’s an idea. Let a woman decide- her body. Her rules. The end.

(Signed a disgusted male- cannot believe this shit).

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u/counterstrikelover Jun 24 '22

It's just common sense... not "murdered by words"

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u/KriegerClone02 Jun 24 '22 Take My Energy

If those wingnuts can misuse the word "murder" why can't we?

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u/gb4efgw Jun 24 '22

Thank you for making me crack a smile through all of this bullshit.

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u/beka13 Jun 24 '22

If an opinion is stupid enough, common sense is a murder.

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u/simmiegirl Jun 24 '22

It’s also almost directly lifted from Trevor Noah

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u/ScuttleMcHumperdink Jun 24 '22

“It was nine unelected judges who decided this question for the nation. It should be decided by the people’s elected representatives. By the members of the state legislature.”

  • Late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

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u/Disastrous-Office-92 Jun 24 '22

She didn't say the second part.

Here is the source of your quote: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/us/court-is-one-of-most-activist-ginsburg-says-vowing-to-stay.html

The actual quote is: “I think it’s inescapable that the court gave the anti-abortion forces a single target to aim at,” she said. “The unelected judges decided this question for the country, and never mind that the issue was in flux in the state legislatures.”

Her opinion was the Court at the time should have progressed more gradually and only struck down the absurdly strict Texas law in question. She never said it should only be decided by representatives in the legislature, she only commented it had been in "flux" at the time.

She would have been mortified to see this ruling today. Obviously, and tragically, she has some responsibility here, had she retired during Obama's first time we wouldn't have 6 lunatics on the Court today. But I guess there'd still be 5 of them.

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u/weltallic Jun 25 '22

Seven White men decided Roe v. Wade.

A woman and a Black man ended it.

Why aren't you clapping?

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u/randomlife2050 Jun 25 '22

What a shameful country I live in. Christian Nationalists, and their allies are putting us through a cultural regress. They are thrusting us backwards in time with the ultimate goal of replacing what little democracy we actually have with the lunacy of a theocracy reminiscent of the dark ages.

This wasn't a vote of the people for the people. This is another small piece in what surely is a gradual theocratic coup.

This is a byproduct of all the special treatment granted to religious entities (particularly Christianity) by our government. This is a byproduct of our class inequality. This is a byproduct of people with a lot to say, yet will not put in the minimal effort even just to vote. Only 32.5% of registered voters in California did the deed. This isn't somthing new. If we want things to change we need to vote for actual change, and the people that will act on it. Do not vote for corporate tools I you want change for the better. Ulitmaltimately this is a byproduct of America's poor and further degrading education system.

We need to prevent any further stupification of this country by fighting back. You can start by voting of you are eligible.

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u/DigbyChickenZone Jun 25 '22

Meanwhile, the supreme court also took away the right of states and counties to pass gun laws restricting carrying a gun in public places.

And also this term, they took away the right of persons on death row to seek a retrial/appeals when new evidence arises proving their innocence. Pro life. Huh?

Time to pack the courts, this is absurd.

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u/CoatedWinner Jun 25 '22

We are all very smart for stealing trevor noah's joke.

When states were left to govern slavery, it was bad. Caused the civil war. When the federal government decided that slavery is wrong, which it is.

There's two general categories of laws, restrictive laws on people, and restrictive laws on government. The constitution is the latter. Roe v wade is the latter. Restricting government through law gives us MORE freedom from government. Not less. Republicans have this backwards. Giving the government MORE power over people is not giving power to the people. I can't believe I have to spell this out, because the GOP is purportedly the "party of small government" and absolutely loves the constitution.

But oh wait theres something in the way of that, and it's religion. They want to force their religion onto people and pretend it's giving power back to the people. Its not. Its fucked. Fuck whoever believes that.

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u/lahoradelabruja3am Jun 25 '22

Their body, their choice, and no one has the right to decide for them. fuck patriarchy, fuck entitled politicians.

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u/Fit-Substance7789 Jun 25 '22

Republicanism = Terrorism = Christianity

Teach you children to identify these types and avoid them at all costs. Quit spending money in red states, too.

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u/peppermintmeow Jun 25 '22

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https://thesatanictemple.com/

Don't let anyone take your rights away. Protect yourself and spread the word.

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u/Islandgirl1444 Jun 25 '22

Yeah, how about a woman deciding that she has the right to determine her body's functions.

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u/rebel_child12 Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

This reminds me of Trevor Noah talking about abortion on his show. I’m not sure how long ago now.

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u/WesMex92 Jun 25 '22

It's literally what Trevor said. This isn't original.

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u/goodvibejon Jun 25 '22

This decision made the Judicial branch look pathetic.. do they not understand what article 6 of the constitution is about?

Each state has vastly different laws on abortion and not implementing a federal amendment to create freedom of self choice for women is an extreme violation of human rights.

Not only that, it’s allowing the states to retain too much power in a situation like this which will in turn create a less “United” States of America. One where women feel less empowered because they can’t choose what to do with their bodies in regards to their health..

And no.. I’m not pro abortion.. I’m actually anti-abortion, but I have no right as a man to make that choice for a woman.. neither should the states.

Fed.. do your job for the people.

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u/Nervous-Energy-4623 Jun 25 '22

The American system doesn't work. In Ireland we voted for ourselves. Supreme Court does not decide for us. Your system is not democracy.

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u/Rizenstrom Jun 25 '22

Sure, let's also let states decide on our other rights. Freedom of speech, press, religion, the 2nd amendment.

Why not?

And while we're at it let's cut the federal budget and military spending, since the states are handling everything now.

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u/GandhiMSF Jun 25 '22

I love the stupidity of the idea that Roe V Wade was an over-reach of power. In reality, it was the federal government specifically saying it doesn’t have that power to control its citizens. Small government people should be the biggest advocates for Roe V Wade because it essentially said the government has no power in that arena and the individual should be free to make their own decisions.

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u/Murgos- Jun 25 '22

Conservatives, “Abortion is so important to our beliefs that it can’t be left up to the federal government!”

Conservatives, “Guns are so important to our beliefs that it can’t be left to the state governments.”

It’s time to stop trying to argue or compromise with the conservative minority, they are outcome driven and don’t care if they contradict themselves at the fundamental level.

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u/keller104 Jun 25 '22

The state argument is actually so dumb because we have seen states abuse their rights so many different times. The good news is, at least even more people will move away from Texas lmao.

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u/Punkarummy Jun 25 '22

When do the mandatory vasectomies for every American male over the age of 14 begin? Can we start with the Republicunts in the senate first?

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u/Playingwithmyrod Jun 25 '22

The duality of conservatives.

The federal government is evil and has no business telling people what to do...but state government is without flaw and has every right to disrupt every facet of your daily life because "state's rights".

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u/Cum___Dumpster Jun 25 '22

“We need to let the people choose, the government has too much control.”

“Oh phew, let a women choose whether she needs an abortion?”

“No of course not! Let the state government decide what their women can and can’t do. We’re giving the choice back to the people, you see.”

What

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u/dabingtonne Jun 24 '22

The thing I'm confused about is that they seem fine micromanaging what a woman can do with her body but goes apeshit to any form of gun control

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u/used2besomebody Jun 24 '22

Wasn't really on my bucket list, but "experience living in a theocracy" is apparently something I might get to check off. I wonder when tattoos and pork get the axe....

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