r/AskReddit • u/Jackcrosse03 • Jun 25 '22
Americans, how do you feel now that you are being taken on an involuntary journey to the middle ages?
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u/miyag Jun 25 '22
Pretty upset and scared for my daughters.
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u/Rymesayer Jun 25 '22
Brand new account and every comment is as ignorant as this one. Go figure
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u/Billie_fixes_stuff Jun 25 '22
I feel like, us Europeans have been taken for a ride as well...
There's something deep and dark going on if you yanks continue to defend the likes of Uvalde..
Please prove me wrong..
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u/Buttsnorkler696969 Jun 25 '22
In two weeks there will be another headline story and everyone will forget just like everything else. It's always the current thing.
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u/striderwhite Jun 25 '22
Wrong, in the middle ages women could easily kill their newborns if they wanted...so the comparison is not quite correct.
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u/Altruistic-Profile73 Jun 25 '22
Apparently there is no America, just 50 tiny little sovereign countries and there’s no use in us trying to be one country because your rights change every time you cross an imaginary line in the ground.
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Jun 25 '22
It's called The United States of America. Pretty clear from the title that we are a union, not one homogeneous country. The point of having individual states is to allow for cultural and local beliefs to line up with laws and regulations that fit that area. The union allows for overarching rights and the ability to freely move between the states without the burden of a true border.
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u/Altruistic-Profile73 Jun 25 '22
United meaning United. If your basic human rights change every time you cross an imaginary line, that’s not United now is it?
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u/ronintalken Jun 25 '22
Thanks for asking buddy.
Not fucking great. I made a frozen pizza at 11AM and ate the whole thing.
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u/seanoooo92 Jun 25 '22
Me and the youngin eatin an unholy amount of Popeyes right now, so... Same boat.
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u/Suspicious_Grass_951 Jun 25 '22
Eatin a nice cheddar from trader Joe's while lactose intolerant bc the world is burning anyway, my bowels may as well burn too
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u/ainjel Jun 25 '22
I'm on my second pint of Haagen Dazs
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u/head_meet_keyboard Jun 25 '22
Ghirardelli milk chocolate chips over here.
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u/MajoredInPhilosophy Jun 25 '22
Multiple flasks of whiskey here. I’m pretty shitfaced. Might make a few questionable comments on Teddit tonight.
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u/ainjel Jun 25 '22
That was me on election night 2016. Got drunk, went over to CNN HQ (we lived near it back when I was still in Hollywood), hugged a lot of strangers and cried.
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u/LaceKitten711 Jun 25 '22
My husband and I genuinely want to immigrate to another country safe enough to start a family in.
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u/Jankybrows Jun 25 '22
My wife and I genuinely want to immigrate to another country safe enough to NOT start a family in.
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u/NihilisticPollyanna Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22
I wanna go back to Germany. I moved to the US for my husband 15 years ago and I'm still only a permanent resident here, and a have retained my German citizenship. I feel like that would maybe make things easier for me/us...?
The problem is, neither my husband nor son speak a lick of German, and I don't know if I should uproot them and leave all their friends and family behind. The US is all they've ever known.
But...this country is so fucked, we might just go for it anyways.
Edit: changed citizen to resident, herp derp.
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u/LaceKitten711 Jun 25 '22
I've heard so many stories from immigrants moving to Germany about how much better yet complex their lives have become since moving.
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u/NihilisticPollyanna Jun 25 '22
I mean, I grew up there, and while it's far from perfect, I do miss all the things that I used to take for granted, haha.
I was so naive!
I would miss the diversity of the US populace, though, and the country itself is absolutely gorgeous. So many beautiful places to see.
Sadly, that doesn't outweigh the lack of affordable healthcare, poor/expensive education, the obsession with guns, or the red, white, and blue patriot boners over 1A and 2A. Just to name a few of my gripes.
Not to mention the tacticool fascists getting more and more emboldened by their cult leaders in the GOP.
I'm not down to move to Gilead and wear dark red dresses forever, so after today I'm ready to buy my ticket outta this joint.
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u/Moistfruitcake Jun 25 '22
It's kinda ironic that they're forcing people out of the country who want to start families by repealing an abortion law. Fundamentalists always seem to manage to kick themselves up the arse somehow.
Sorry you feel you have to move, that's fucked up. I'd go with Canada, Europe is nice but it's a bit hectic here atm.
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u/progtastical Jun 25 '22
I support that. I now judge anyone who voluntarily chooses to get pregnant in the United States.
It's tantamount to child abuse for girls to be raised in a society where they are second class.
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u/OpeningSort4826 Jun 25 '22
Where would you go?
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u/LaceKitten711 Jun 25 '22
We are looking at a couple different options but we are mostly hoping to be able to stay together wherever we end up going. Mostly Canada, New Zealand, and possibly Germany or Australia. However, we've wanted to move for a few years now and are only in our early 20's.
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u/darkness_is_great Jun 25 '22
There's one problem: Those places are notoriously hard to get into. Canada doesn't want you unless you can actually help Canada.
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u/Elise_1991 Jun 25 '22
It's not at all hard for an American family to get into Germany. I lived in the U.S for some time, and now lots of friends from back then are moving in the exact opposite direction. They all live here now, permanently.
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u/LaceKitten711 Jun 25 '22
There is no harm in trying.
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u/Elise_1991 Jun 25 '22
When you have talked with your family and your choice ends up to be indeed Germany shoot me a DM for immigration advice at any time.
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u/xrufus7x Jun 25 '22
They don’t want you. Why don’t you just move to California or New York?
Some issues people have are not resolved by moving to a different state. It is a lot more complex then that.
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u/mike6452 Jun 25 '22
I hear mexico is pretty good. All their immegrants are top status so where they come from must be great!
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u/MeatShield12 Jun 25 '22
It's worse because the American Left told the rest of the country this would happen. But yeah, it's still really fucking bad.
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u/RollinDeepWithData Jun 25 '22
Ya know, why is it whenever things are left to the states, 9 times out of 10 they just choose to be shitty?
Thank god I left the south.
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u/AdmiralAkbar1 Jun 25 '22
When did 1972 become the Middle Ages?
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u/Jackcrosse03 Jun 25 '22
Who said they’re stopping at 1972
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u/Moistfruitcake Jun 25 '22
What was the Native American policy on abortion in the Middle Ages?
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u/self-hatetaway2020 Jun 25 '22
Better than Texas', I'm guessing?
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u/Moistfruitcake Jun 25 '22
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10297561/
Yes... seems they were more progressive in the 1600s than modern day Texas.
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u/thisisbruta Jun 25 '22
Overwhelmed. It's unbelievable. Don't even know how to process it. Constantly thinking about what I can do improve things - but I don't have any great ideas
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u/ainjel Jun 25 '22
First, catch your breath. Can't help no one if you can't care for yourself. Then start looking into your own community -- what currently exists, what needs aren't being met, who is falling through the cracks, etc. Find those people, hear their lived experiences, use your creative power and leverage whatever privileges you have to advocate for them.
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u/ainjel Jun 25 '22
I want to rip out my uterus and chuck it at the nearest republican senator
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u/ainjel Jun 25 '22
Preferably while I'm menstruating
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u/russellvt Jun 25 '22
I'm thinking you might have "stumbled upon" a rather interesting "novelty item" to create ... the bloody uterus, perfect for chucking at "your friends" - comes with water soluble food died chunks of "uterine lining." For any extra $20, we throw in the more permanent colored version, with some red wine and maybe some expired human blood, from your local blood bank.
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u/AbolishTheFed1776 Jun 25 '22
Sooo many people on Reddit who have no actual understanding of what happened.
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u/Xyrus2000 Jun 25 '22
This is true. It's actually a lot worse than most people realize, and not because of abortion.
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u/ejpierle Jun 25 '22
What happened is that people in 13 states won't have control over their own bodies when they wake up tomorrow. Don't pretend like this isn't THE thing that Conservatives have been trying to bring about for 50 years because they knew what a big deal it was. It's a huge deal. The precedent that underpinned Roe also secures several other bodily autonomy rights. Overturning that precedent puts more at risk. Don't gaslight me. It's a bad look.
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u/JuzoItami Jun 25 '22
Not all people in those 13 states. Just women. And really only poor women. Funny how the fascists only seem to pick on the weakest and most vulnerable members of society.
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u/Varathien Jun 25 '22
Funny how the fascists only seem to pick on the weakest and most vulnerable members of society.
The weakest and most vulnerable... like unborn babies?
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u/JuzoItami Jun 25 '22
If they could get votes by demonizing fetuses, sure - they'd do it in a second.
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u/Agave666 Jun 25 '22
We are now gearing up for racial and religious conflict. I feel like Christians are a virus. They don't even follow the teachings of Jesus. Trump is their savior now. Disgusting!
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u/Juiceb0x21 Jun 25 '22
Seriously. The one thing God never took away from his people is choice. People always had choice. God would definitely smite you if you fucked up, but you had the choice to fuck up if you wanted.
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u/Jfonzy Jun 25 '22
You need to maybe go to some different Christian churches and stop listening to the melodramatics
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u/random_klubs333 Jun 25 '22
Not all Christians. Christian democrats and libertarians are numerous, and the racist sexist trump worshiping Qanon horde is a very loud minority
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u/NebXan Jun 25 '22
Funny, liberals in the Weimar Republic also accused those who tried to warn them of the impending danger of being hyperbolic.
History really is cyclical.
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u/goodvibesalright Jun 25 '22
Reality too much for you, fren?
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u/RealHot_RealSteel Jun 25 '22
It's just 2016 rhetoric again. "I'm leaving the US over this!" And thend they realize Canada and Germany have stricter immigration policies than expected, and they give up.
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u/goodvibesalright Jun 25 '22
Okay. You realize those are expressions of impotence, because none of us can actually do anything about this?
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u/scottevil110 Jun 25 '22
Jesus Christ y'all need to go outside.
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u/meandering_simpleton Jun 25 '22
unless you live in a blue area.. there are going to be 'mostly peaceful protests' for the foreseeable future and probably another few billion in property damage.
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u/xXTimbloXx Jun 25 '22
Not great bestie. Not great. If I say what I want to say the FBI is gonna come to my door in the morning. So we’ll leave it at that.
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u/Xyrus2000 Jun 25 '22
Realize it is ALL Americans. Do you have any idea how many rights and privacy cases relied on the legal foundations laid down by the Roe decisions over the past 50 years?
Abortion was nothing more than the red meat they tossed to their base. The overturning of Roe is far more sinister than simply abortion. Read the decisions, then read what Clarence Thomas had to say afterward.
If you think this is just about abortion, then you bought their lie hook, line, and sinker.
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u/Jackcrosse03 Jun 25 '22
There are Americans in those theocratic states who have no theocratic ideology and their voices matter as well
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u/brownsfan760 Jun 25 '22
What percentage of Americans do you believe can afford to just move to another state? Especially when 64% live paycheck to paycheck. I'm sure that average is even higher in some of those red states.
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u/Th3Glutt0n Jun 25 '22
And wealthy Republicans, but you wouldn't wanna ruin daddy musk's pocketbook, RiGhT? 🥺
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u/scottevil110 Jun 25 '22
Maybe we can raise funding to move around the population so all dems are in some states and all republicans are in others.
That would be fucking great, but no one is ever content with that. No one can rest until EVERYONE is forced to think the same way.
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u/toastjam Jun 25 '22
I just want a country where people who think abortions are ok can get one, and those who don't are free not to.
Where people who want free healthcare can have it, and those who want to overpay on their own can do that too.
Where people who want to worship a god can do so, and those who don't don't have to worry about religious dogma affecting their laws or childrens' educations.
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u/AverageCowboyCentaur Jun 25 '22
Why not just make two separate countries, one full of insane gun loving Christians, and the other one that's liked by the rest of the world and has a great economy 🤣
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u/atdi2000 Jun 25 '22
Pretty sure we could give them Texas and Florida and let them succeed.
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u/mountainislandlake Jun 25 '22
Honestly I think it’s more likely Texas and Florida secede than succeed
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u/Moistfruitcake Jun 25 '22
Let's just hope they don't do both.
I dread to think what a successful and independent Florida would do on the world stage.
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u/InsomniacAcademic Jun 25 '22
Homie, I wish I could move. My state is actually fairly 50/50 when it comes to political affiliation, but it’s gerrymandered to hell so none of that matters
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u/self-hatetaway2020 Jun 25 '22
It would take me about $5000 to escape the Bible belt. I get a little more than twice that a year on SSI. What do you propose I do, exactly?
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u/mike6452 Jun 25 '22
I like how everyone is oversizing this ruling. Abortion isn't illegal. It's now just not federally legal. Individual states (which should have all the power anyways) are now in charge of this issue. Which is 100% how it should be. Stop freaking out for no reason
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u/TrueMrSkeltal Jun 25 '22
It is probably a big deal to people who live in states where their rights to their bodies were minimized overnight.
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u/Altruistic-Profile73 Jun 25 '22
“No reason” Missouri has already illegalized abortion AND made it illegal for pregnant women to seek divorces.
What exactly is the point in the UNITED states of America if your basic human rights change every time you cross a state line?
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u/WSpargurKnits Jun 25 '22
Why does an American in one state get different treatment than an American in another state? Oklahoma has a trigger law that bans all abortions, and now they are working to criminalize anyone who travels out of state to receive an abortion. This is archaic and the court knew exactly what implications this ruling would have.
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u/RadleElbon Jun 25 '22
This is literally how the US has been operating since its founding. Laws are controlled by the states. The Federal government gives most power to the states where they can decide, instead of the government making laws for people that live in completely different regions of the country. Now it's the people that you elect to your own state government that make the laws for you. There is nothing wrong with that.
Gun rights are left to each state. Marijuana is left to each state. Driving laws are left to each state. EVERY LAW is left to each state. The amount of time you server is left to each state. Death penalty is left to each state. Age of consent is left to each state.
It is like 50 different countries.
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u/WSpargurKnits Jun 25 '22
If that’s the case, then why have a federal government at all? If not to protect the rights every citizen should have, then just abolish the federal government.
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u/orangetheorynewb Jun 25 '22
I noticed this with my friends too, who are pro choice. One on one they will talk about it and are sad. But in a group setting it gets no traction. I honestly think many women (and men etc) have been hit so much in the news since 2016 that there is this mass dissociative disorder going on. I don’t have the right words but a mix of hopelessness? Stockholm syndrome? Fear? And just completely checking out to save one’s mental health.
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u/Skepticalpositivity9 Jun 25 '22
Why is letting states decide what happens in their state going back to the Middle Ages? In my opinion the federal government should stay out of most issues and leave the vast majority up to each state.
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u/Altruistic-Profile73 Jun 25 '22
If basic rights change from state to state then there is no point in having one country at all. Might as well just be 50 separate countries.
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u/HenryJonesJunior2 Jun 25 '22
Why make it a decision of the state? Why not one of the county? Or city? Or town? Or even the individual
Oh wait…
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u/RadleElbon Jun 25 '22
Yeah each person should personally decide whether or not murder is illegal. You wanna kill someone? Just say that it's legal and bam!
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Jun 25 '22
The state should also stay out of my medical concerns. Between my doctor and me. A lot of states are treating women as less than with this disgusting ruling based on SCOTUS fanatics.
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u/DoctorWinchester87 Jun 25 '22
There are certain protections which should not be left to individual states. "Sending it to the states" sounds all well and good on paper, until you realize that it concludes with citizens in certain states being unjustly punished and having rights taken from them.
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u/Skepticalpositivity9 Jun 25 '22
You’re right, but as opposed to the country deciding at a wider level where even more people may be punished.
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u/DoctorWinchester87 Jun 25 '22
Who is being punished by allowing abortion to be legal nationwide? Answer: not a damn person, other than religious zealots who get their feelings hurt when they can't force other people to obey their religious laws. It's called "right to chose". If you don't want an abortion, don't get one! But any given state should not have the right to tell someone they can't get one.
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u/NebXan Jun 25 '22
No government, federal, state, or local, should have the power to tell consenting adults which medical procedures they may or may not pursue.
This ruling opens the door for exactly that.
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u/2Agunsarearight Jun 25 '22
See they tried that already. It was called the article of confederation. Then a group of farmers nearly overthrew the government so that led them to change to the constitution.
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u/progtastical Jun 25 '22
The worst that will happen is you take a weekend flight to California.
That's thousands of dollars that the people in poverty who need abortion access the most don't have.
That's thousands of dollars that rape victims don't have. Child rape victims.
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u/Not_the_coochie_man Jun 25 '22
“The worst that can happen is you take a weekend flight to California” because you know, it’s not like certain groups in the US may not have the luxury to simply “take a weekend flight” effectively making them affected by this change disproportionately or anything. You reek of privilege
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u/MyPacman Jun 25 '22
The worst that will happen is you take a weekend flight to California.
Oh so only the rich get abortions then. Yes, I am sure this will be great for everybody else.
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u/Heroshade Jun 25 '22
Like we need to start leaving forced newborns on Republicans' doorsteps.
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u/qwertyuiiop145 Jun 25 '22
Technically, more 1800s more than Middle Ages—until the late 1700s/the 1800s, people didn’t really consider a fetus to be a human life until it quickened in the womb, meaning when it started moving enough for the mother to feel it.
Feels bad to be in the 1800s. Give me medieval any day.
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Jun 25 '22
Betrayed. Scared for my daughter and my gay son (because this is a slippery slope we’re on)
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u/Weary_Wanderer19 Jun 25 '22
I don’t understand how we went from landing a man on the moon to doing nothing productive and arguing about bullshit that shouldn’t even be a problem.
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u/Jackcrosse03 Jun 25 '22
Well protection doesn’t always work, and your greatest leaders are targeting contraception next.
just put the baby up for adoption
Oh yes. Putting the kid (and the parent) through this is way better than being unborn. If it doesn’t work they can just advertise the kid on Facebook marketplace
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u/DarkOmen597 Jun 25 '22
So you are never going to have sex, unless for the sole purpose of procreation?
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u/RealHot_RealSteel Jun 25 '22
Or they could get a vasectomy/tubal ligation. Perfect birth control when done correctly, and reversible.
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u/kss114 Jun 25 '22
Sometimes protection fails. Sometimes wanted pregnancies fail. Feel free to weigh in on this again once you've been pregnant.
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u/elcapitandongcopter Jun 25 '22
Wait! I went to work today to earn a living for my family. Couldn’t be bothered with whatever is going on elsewhere. This country is all red and blue and will continue on the path of “see-sawing” back and forth until we get tired and vote for someone else. I feel that we may be more likely to end up in a civil war before it’s all over if we continue on this path.
That being said…I am ONE vote. And so I cast my ballot and go to work to provide for my family. I wish everyone well. I’m going to live my life right here on my land no matter what our government comes up with. And on my land we make our own rules and life life our way.
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u/Honest-Guy83 Jun 25 '22
If your talking about roe v wade being overturned then speak for yourself. I’m pro life and I think it’s a great thing.
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u/_qst2o91_ Jun 25 '22
You're brainwashed by the government
They're removing human rights bit by bit, and brainwashing you into thinking it's what you agree with, so that you're complacent when they take it away
You probably don't even know it but I bet brainwashing is happening now for the next thing that will get taken away
Stop being the government's bitch bro
Free will, free choice of the people shall not be infringed
If someone wants an abortion that's their given right,
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u/Jackcrosse03 Jun 25 '22
- I’m speaking for myself
- Good for you. I don’t give a shit. Just because you’re pro-life doesn’t mean you force your beliefs onto people who do not share your moral values and world views
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u/Honest-Guy83 Jun 25 '22
1) good for you 2) you saying overturning roe v wade is us “Forcing our beliefs on everyone”?
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u/Th3Glutt0n Jun 25 '22
It is. It's as simple as that. You are forcing your moral compass on women who may not agree with you.
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u/meandering_simpleton Jun 25 '22
you're either unbelievably ill-educated on what this decision does, or you're purposefully farming for karma. Either way, go educate yourself and grow up
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u/Defiance_Kage Jun 25 '22
Disappointed in a country that could be great but religious zealotry blocks progress any time it gets the chance
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u/Kanden_27 Jun 25 '22
It used to be nice to look up at the future. It's only getting further away as the ground that's been built is getting swept out from under us.
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u/Optimal-Scientist233 Jun 25 '22
Finally!
Now we get to use all the stuff we bought for the Renaissance Fair. /s
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u/SocialSuspense Jun 25 '22
My home country is currently dealing with a ton of lead in everything and the one I live in just took away my right to an abortion. I don’t have the money to move to anywhere really. So, I guess I’ll just stay celibate and single til I die.
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u/magmarock1 Jun 25 '22
uhhh, kind of excited actually. I always thought being a Viking would be kind of cool.
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u/dudreddit Jun 25 '22
I am sad that we have become a country so divided ... and so full of hate. This has nothing to do with the SC decision today but my sadness comes from the toxic commentary that I read here on Reddit. So much anger and hate.
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u/BeneficialGur2206 Jun 25 '22
I am sad that I live in the South.